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Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome, editors and users, to the '''Smash Arena'''! Each week this forum hosts a tussle between two characters, items, stages or anything else from the [[Super Smash Bros. (series)|''Super Smash Bros.'' series]]! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll but functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that round. No, you don't have to vote for the character with strength & power, or the stage considered more "fair", or the combatant with the most fans - just vote if you are a total fanboy of the participant. So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you don't have to have an account to vote! Though new requests for fights can no longer be made, voting on already existing requests can be done [[Forum:Suggestions|here]].
{{notice|Due to the changing nature of the Smash Bros. series (i.e. game updates means there are no more long periods of downtime), Smash Arena is not expected to overcome a constant need to update the wiki, and thus is now closed.<br/>Users who are interested in a new generation of the format may wish to try it on [[SmashWiki:Discord server|the Discord server]].}}
 
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome, editors and users, to the '''[[SmashWiki:Smash Arena|Smash Arena]]'''! Each week (or possibly less often, if the [[SW:SSS|wiki's status]] is high or there's not much voter traffic) this forum hosts a tussle between two (or  sometimes three!) characters, items, stages or anything else from the [[Super Smash Bros. (series)|''Super Smash Bros.'' series]]! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll but functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in a competition between the two combatants that round. No, you don't have to vote for the character with strength & power, or the stage considered more "fair", or the combatant with the most fans - just vote if you are a total fanboy of the participant. So what are you waiting for? Get voting!


==The Rules==
==The Rules==
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Multiple votes in a round are not allowed; attempts to circumvent this with [[sockpuppet]]s will result in all your votes being deleted, and is a blockable offense. Probated users who attempt to circumvent their probation with sockpuppets are also committing a blockable offense and will have their vote discounted. Remember that admins have access to CheckUser to check the IPs of any user, and will use it when sockpuppetry is suspected.


If your vote is not added correctly - specifically, it breaks rules 3, 4, or 5 - you have a short amount of time to fix it (typically between fifteen minutes to an hour). After this time, it may be corrected and moved by any user to the Half-Votes section (adding the [[Template:Unsigned|unsigned template]] if necessary), and it will count as half a vote. Attempting to move your vote out of the Half-Votes section may result in it being worth zero at an operator's discretion.
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Intentional half-votes undermine the intent of the half-vote system as a way to punish voters for voting incorrectly. It is legal to want a vote to be worth half, but it is very heavily discouraged, and you must state in your vote you want it to be worth half.
Above all, remember that '''voting in the Smash Arena is a privilege, not a right'''. In the vein of [[SW:NOT|what SmashWiki is not]], you are expected to at least attempt reasonable contributions to the wiki if you wish to retain your privilege to participate.


==Round 145: [[Lightning Kick]] vs. [[Knee Smash]]==
==Round 257: [[Mushroom Kingdom II]] vs. [[Magicant]]==
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|colspan="2" style="background:#dfdfdf; text-align:center" valign="top"|<font size=5>'''Winner!!'''</font><br><font size=3>'''''Magicant'''''</font><br>[[Image:SSB4 Magicant.jpg|225x225px|center]]<br><font size=3>''45 to 48''</font><br>
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===Votes for ''Mushroom Kingdom II''===
===Votes for ''Lightning Kick''===
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#I like Zelda better, plus it's more normal to hit its sweet spot.[[Special:Contributions/71.55.135.140|71.55.135.140]] 08:57, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
:<s>1. Wow, who'd have thought that I would ever vote for a Melee stage over a Smash 4 stage? Unfortunately for Magicant, I just find the stage to be ugly and weird looking. It probably doesn't help that it runs on the 3DS but it doesn't look appealing to me in the slightest. On the other hand who can't love the design of a stage inspired by the classic Super Mario Bros. NES series itself? ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 10:48, 2 June 2018 (EDT)</s>
#Because <s>I uploaded the image</s> this attack is stronger. [[User:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">Mousehunter321</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">talk</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">contributions</font>]])</small> 12:07, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#I ''hate'' Magicant with a passion. Going with the obvious better option. A classic too. [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbysCrazyAppetiteSig.png|50x20px]] 12:48, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
#Pity vote. --[[Special:Contributions/99.249.196.42|99.249.196.42]] 09:10, 8 July 2012 (EDT)
#Mushroom Kingdom II = ''Super Mario Bros. 2''! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 12:52, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
#I know this vote probably won't affect the outcome of this fight in any way, but Legend of Zelda is my second favorite video game series, so here goes.[[Special:Contributions/174.20.232.90|174.20.232.90]] 10:59, 8 July 2012 (EDT)
#[[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  20:56, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
#Knee Smash is overrated. Lightning Kick is underrated. <span style="font-family:Andalus; font-size:12pt">[[User:Meta Ike|<font color="indigo">'''Meta''' </font>]] [[User talk:Meta Ike|<font color="purple"> '''Ike'''</font>]]</span> [[File:MetaIke.png|34px]]  15:49, 8 July 2012 (EDT)
#The only correct answer is Mushroom Kingdom II. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 01:36, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
#Well, this works as a back air too. The opponent is ''smashing'' too, but I'm more inclined to place my vote here. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 07:47, 9 July 2012 (EDT)
#Magicant is just weird. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 08:41, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
#Attack of preference. Simple as .[[User:ScoreCounter|ScoreCounter]] ([[User talk:ScoreCounter|talk]]) 14:44, 11 July 2012 (EDT)
#This one's pretty close because I like trolling people with Flying Man, but this was my favorite Melee stage so nostalgia beats trolling. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:41, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
#[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWu4vwWAF6M HYAKURETSUKYAKU!!!]...er..wrong Lightning Kick. Anyway, although I really love Captain Falcon's awesome Knee of Justice (more properly rendered as [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PunctuatedForEmphasis KNEE! OF! JUSTICE!]) attack, the visuals, animation, and movement for Zelda's Lightning Kick seem more appealing to me; and it also seems to be slightly more difficult to execute and land the Lightning Kick's sweetspot properly compared to sweetspotting the Knee of Justice. And finally, Zelda ROCKS! [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 22:35, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
#Magicent's a cool stage, but I have no real relation with the ''Earthbound'' series. ''Super Mario Bros. 2'' is a good game. But speaking in terms of stages, Mushroom Kingdom II has more room to move around, no assist characters that will gang up on you (Birdo's only slightly annoying), and I like the Pidget. [[User:Alex95|Alex95]] ([[User talk:Alex95|talk]]) 21:07, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
#Zelda's so cute with the Lightning Kick, I'll tell you what. Knee of Justice hurts bad, but the Lightning Kick of Fate hurts more. Comes out quick, but hard to get the sweetspot right. But Lightning Kick still rocks! [[Special:Contributions/97.67.160.226|97.67.160.226]] 13:41, 13 July 2012 (EDT)
#I'm a sucker for nostalgia, plus I like this stage better anyway, so... yeah. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 15:22, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
#She has two lightning kicks, so she can hit people behind her, whereas Captain Falcon has only 1.--[[Special:Contributions/71.118.247.18|71.118.247.18]] 22:36, 13 July 2012 (EDT)
#I like Melee... and Mario... [[Special:Contributions/54.175.143.180|54.175.143.180]] 21:39, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
 
#It's very close for me, but I gotta go with MKII. it's such a throwback, I gotta go for it. Sorry Magicant. [[User:Dakota.952|Dakota.952]] [[User talk:Dakota.952]] 17:00, 8 July 2018 (EDT)
===Half-votes===
#For me it's either a game I have never played or a series I don't care about. That and I'm a big Mario fan. [[User:CaptainGamer|Captain Gamer]] ([[User talk:CaptainGamer|talk]]) 13:06, 16 July 2018 (EDT)
#Zeldaz Awesomez [[File:ToonLinkIcon(SSBB).png|19px]] [[User:Real life Toon Link]] [[File:PeachIcon(SSBB).png|19px]] 19:49, 11 July 2012 (EDT)
#mario bros. 2 is my choice for best nes game and this level captures my first experiences with the game [[User:XVI|XVI]] ([[User talk:XVI|talk]]) 18:33, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
#Even though I am a fan of Magicant because of the universe its in, Mushroom Kingdom II is just... better. In every way. [[User:Kbimbatti22|Kbimbatti22]] ([[User talk:Kbimbatti22|talk]]) 13:22, 25 July 2018 (EDT)l
#I like Magicant because it seems weird, BUT in this matchup Mushroom Kingdom II is better. It's more refined, stable and easier to play. Long live Ultimate. [[User:Sparkwave|Sparkwave]] ([[User talk:Sparkwave|talk]]) 12:06, 17 August 2018 (EDT)
#I don't know what to say [[User:Sammybambam11|Sammybambam11]] ([[User talk:Sammybambam11|talk]]) 14:25, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
#Playing on Mario stages in Smash for me is an absolute treat, plus the retro-sounding music gives off so much nostalgia. Sorry Magicant, you're cool, but not as good as one of Mr. Video Game's home stages! [[File:SSB4DarkSonicHead.png|17px|link=User:SonicSpeed48]][[User talk:SonicSpeed48|<font color="navyblue">''Speed'''''48'''</font>]] 20:40, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
#I think Mushroom Kingdom II is a much bigger throwback to the classics. Sorry Magicant! [[User talk:RetroPika|<font color="yellow">RetroPika</font>]][[File:PikachuHeadSSB.png|17px]] 03:29, 8 September 2018 (EDT)
#Mushroom kingdom is superior. Sorry, earthbound fans! [[User:NicoNiconii|NicoNiconii]] ([[User talk:NicoNiconii|talk]]) 11:16, 2 November 2018 (EDT) NicoNiconii, November 2, 2018, 11:16 AM EST
#I've never played Earthbound so I'll cast my vote here. --[[Special:Contributions/203.128.94.27|203.128.94.27]] 10:29, 3 November 2018 (EDT)
#I am a HUGE Mario fan, and Magicant is very... odd. Go Mushroom Kingdom! Also, the music rocks:)[[User:Super Eli|Super Eli]] ([[User talk:Super Eli|talk]]) 04:51, 6 November 2018 (EST)
#--[[Special:Contributions/14.199.84.205|14.199.84.205]] 09:47, 10 November 2018 (EST)
#Here I am. [[User:UltimateWoomy|UltimateWoomy]] ([[User talk:UltimateWoomy|talk]]) 22:55, 11 November 2018 (EST)
#[[Super Mario Bros. 2]] is quite underrated so this stage is pretty cool for representing  that game, plus it’s coming back to Ultimate.[[Magicant]]’s a pretty good stage too [[Special:Contributions/174.55.24.64|174.55.24.64]] 13:44, 15 November 2018 (EST)
#I MADE UP MY MIND! [[User:BESTIDIOTEVER|BESTIDIOTEVER]] ([[User talk: BESTIDIOTEVER|talk]]) 22:43, 25 November 2018 (EST)
#Magican't win! [[User:RK50||RK50]] ([[User talk: RK50|talk]]) 21:16, 15 December 2018 (EST)
#It's the obvious choice to go with the face of gaming's sequel! Johnson T. Shy Guy 17:36, 19 December (EDT)
#The song has been stuck in my head all day, so I can't not vote this. [[Special:Contributions/63.224.129.183|63.224.129.183]] 15:34, 23 January 2019 (EST)
#The hazards and stuff are much more creative. Are there even any in Magicant? [[Special:Contributions/KingKRool26|KingKRool26]] 8:00, 14 February 2019 (EST)
#I vote for Mushroom Kingdom II becuase overall I think it looks better as a stage then Magicant. 8:56 AM 18 February 2019 (CST)
#Mushroom Kingdom II is overall a much better stage to fight on, despite the fact it's a walk-off stage. And there's no Flying Man. 2:43 PM, 4 March 2019 (EST)
#I like Mario. And Magicant sounds too much like Magic can't. [[Special:Contributions/50.43.56.91|50.43.56.91]] 19:30, April 11, 2019 (EDT)
#''A-sla-a-sla-a-sla-tte-ry...'' When I was young, not only did I make up the aforementioned lyrics for the ''SMB2'' theme's opening notes, but I wrote an unintentional self-insert fanfic based on ''SMB2''. <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 01:24, April 25, 2019 (EDT)
#I love retro stages, Magicant is camping galore as well, soooooo[[User:Azantix|Azantix]] ([[User talk:Azantix|talk]]) 11:52, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
#Magicant made a level 9 Luigi look dumb.[[User:Snorlax TheGreat|Snorlax TheGreat]] ([[User talk:Snorlax TheGreat|talk]]) 08:15, July 5, 2019 (EDT)
#--[[User:Doggieboy9|Doggieboy9]] ([[User talk:Doggieboy9|talk]]) 13:08, July 5, 2019 (EDT)
#I prefer beating up Birdo over getting beat up by Chicken Man[[Special:Contributions/198.98.24.19|198.98.24.19]] 19:23, September 3, 2019 (EDT)
#I prefer Mushroom Kingdom II because I am a Mario Fan.[[User:Crocodile Dippy 2|Crocodile Dippy 2]] ([[User talk:Crocodile Dippy 2|talk]]) 14:14, September 11, 2019 (EDT)
#Jesus this hasn't been updated in a while...but yeah Magicant sucks. '''Your Senpai,''' [[User:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: red;">'''Iron'''</span>]] [[User talk:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: cyan;">'''Warrior'''</span>]] 12:13, November 20, 2019 (EST)
#everything is better than flying man lol[[User:Stelgard M|Stelgard M]] ([[User talk:Stelgard M|talk]]) 17:24, December 25, 2019 (EST)
#Clearly, Flying Man is way to OP and unfair for the others when someone grabs him. I destroyed someone much better than me using him. They should trash either him or the stage. As for Mushroom Kingdom II, I have nothing against it. [[User:Mario Kart 7 Rules|Mario Kart 7 Rules]] ([[User talk:Mario Kart 7 Rules|talk]]) 12:37, March 2, 2020 (EST)


===Half votes===
#I’m just a sucker for Mario stages. Besides, who doens’t love the feeling of extreme nostalgia. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:MarioFighter64|MarioFighter64]] ([[User talk:MarioFighter64|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarioFighter64|contribs]]) 20:02, 20 August 2018 (EDT)</small>
#I feel that it looks a lot cleaner than Magicant. It looks better. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Cassinator|Cassinator]] ([[User talk:Cassinator|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cassinator|contribs]]) 20:55, 10 December 2018 (EST)</small>
#MKII FTW! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:180.191.158.100|180.191.158.100]] ([[User talk:180.191.158.100|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/180.191.158.100|contribs]]) 23:54, 17 December 2018 (EST)</small>
# Birdo is a better trophy than Flying Man in my opinion. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:BowserIsBroken|BowserIsBroken]] ([[User talk:BowserIsBroken|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BowserIsBroken]]) 18:58, 21 February 2019 (EST) </small>
#i love this stage, I think it's a very interesting idea, but mostly, I just don't like the flying man from magicant.[[User:SpiritSquirtle|SpiritSquirtle]] ([[User talk:SpiritSquirtle|talk]]) 18:36, September 22, 2019 (EDT)
#MushroomKingdom Because I'ts One Of My Favorite Battle Stages, But I Have Respects To Magicant. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Super Kirby X|Super Kirby X]] ([[User talk:Super Kirby X|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Super Kirby X|contribs]]) 1:00 29, September 24</small>
#Mario is my childhood. I also have never heard of magicant. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:64.90.137.2|64.90.137.2]] ([[User talk:64.90.137.2|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/64.90.137.2|contribs]]) 14:26, October 30, 2019</small>
#Couldn't care less about the other one. --[[User:lucina-is-better-than-marth]] <!--Not signed properly-->
#I like melee better, so Mushroom Kingdom 2 for me. [[Special:Contributions/80.155.164.74|80.155.164.74]] 04:50, September 24, 2019 (EDT) <!--Improper formatting (no #'s)-->
#I don't like this stage that much but I REALLY don't like Magicant so this one gets my vote. -[[User:Chiruria|'''''Chiruria!''''']] 12:52, February 21, 2020 (EST)
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===Votes for ''Knee Smash''===
===Votes for ''Magicant''===
#EPIC!!! [[Special:Contributions/204.191.134.129|204.191.134.129]] 00:08, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
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#The two moves are pretty equal, but Falcon uses this, and he is awesome. '''[[User:DarkFox01|<font color="darkblue">Dark</font>]][[User talk:DarkFox01|<font color="blue">Fox</font>]][[Special:Contributions/DarkFox01|<font color="red">01:</font>]] [[Special:Editcount/DarkFox01|<font color="silver">''USA!''</font>]]''' 00:36, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#Better music, better environment, and a better stage to fight on, honestly. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the College-Bound Rurouni'''</span>]] 11:58, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
#This move is the original, and it was great in ''Melee''. [[User:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Naked'''</font>]] [[User talk:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Snake'''</font>]] [[File:200px-Naked Snake.jpg |19px|]] 01:09, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#[[Special:Contributions/23.17.208.28|23.17.208.28]] 00:59, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
#...is this even a contest??? '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|{ROLLBACKER}]]</small> 02:11, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#Magicant is beautiful and way better looking --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 13:53, 24 June 2018 (EDT)
#In Melee, the Knee was among the most feared forward aerials in the game, if not the best. It was remarkably easy to sweetspot with given it's sex kick properties, Falcon's superb mobility, and his many setup options. It sent foes in a semi spike trajectory, and had both high base knockbase and knockback scaling. Zelda's Fair/bair cannot simply compete. It's natural where my vote goes.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 03:49, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#I hate Magicant because whoever gets the Flying Man is pretty much guaranteed a win unless they SD several times. However I'm giving it a vote out of Pity, because I like Earthbound, and because I absolutely despise Mushroom Kingdom II. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 09:32, 6 June 2018 (EDT)YoshisaurusThe9th
#Because.[[Special:Contributions/90.131.123.167|90.131.123.167]] 03:59, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#The heck is wrong with y'all. MK2 is beat out in pretty much every department by Magicant. [[File:RagnarokSignature.png|20px|link=]] [[User:Ragnarok320|<span style="color: red;">'''Ragnarok320, The Toa of Fire''']]</span> [[User talk:Ragnarok320|<span style="color: black;">'''(talk)'''</span>]] 18:48, 5 July 2018 (EDT)
#You can't mess with Captain Falcon. [[User:Stranger1260|<font style="color:#003366;font-family:Comic Sans MS">'''Stranger</font>]] [[User talk:Stranger1260|<font style="color:#339933;font-family:Comic Sans MS">'''1260'''</font>]] [[File:Master_Ball.png|20px]] 06:14, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#Magicant looks great, and will likely look even better in Ultimate. MKII is fine, but not nearly as good or interesting as Magicant. [[User:Kirbitzein|Kirbitzein]] ([[User talk:Kirbitzein|talk]]) 01:41, 8 July 2018 (EDT)
#JUSTICE [[User:Captain Falcon|<span style="color: black;">'''Captain Falcon'''</span>]] [[User talk: Captain Falcon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']] 06:16, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#Flying Man is more helpful when it comes to KOing opponents than Birdo's eggs. [[User:Warriorking98|Warriorking98]] 22:26, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
# Boss! [[User:Krazy4Krash|Krazy4Krash]] ([[User talk:Krazy4Krash|talk]]) 06:20, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#I like this stage a lot. --[[Special:Contributions/142.229.115.125|142.229.115.125]] 16:41, 23 July 2018 (EDT)
#Hmm... The kick to the face or the knee to the nuts? I'm pretty you can guess which one I choose. >:3 [[User:Bowzerdude|<font color="green">'''Bowzer'''</font><font color="yellow">'''dude'''</font>]][[User talk:Bowzerdude|<font color="red">'''- Pure Epicness!'''</font>]] 06:57, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#I've never been a huge fan of retro stages. However, I am a huge fan of taking old, retro settings from games and remaking them in higher quality, and Magicant is a perfect candidate for this. It is aesthetically unique compared to almost every stage in smash with it's heavy amount of pink, and I love all of the Earthbound references. I like most of the hazards on this stage, but I understand that the flying men can be quite annoying. I can't wait to play on this stage in Ultimate, it's already looking stunning. [[User:Mudmag|Mudmag]] ([[User talk:Mudmag|talk]])
#Captain Falcon is my favourite character, and the Knee Smash is epic. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 07:35, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#It is so beautiful, this has good music and it is so enjoyable, and this is very rememorable to me, but the most fun part of this stage is the Flying Men. [[User:Andreepika11233|Andreepika11233]] ([[User talk:Andreepika11233|talk]]) 19:32, 9 August 2018 (EDT)
#I used to like Lightning Kick, but then I took a smash to the knee... '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 09:02, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#A second, in my opinion poor attempt at constructing a good Mushroom Kingdom stage vs a beautiful, nostalgic stage from an equally great game. Magicant's an easy choice for me. [[User:SugarCookie420|SugarCookie420]] ([[User talk:SugarCookie420|talk]]) 08:43, 23 August 2018 (EDT)  
#I also manage to use Knee Smash when I attack people with Captain Falcon!! [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]]  09:17, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#Honestly, I haven't played on the SMB2 stage before. However, I HAVE played on this stage multiple times and I love the brightly colored, wacky style of it and the nice calm music that plays. Plus, the Flying Men sprites are cool! [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 12:13, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
#The Cheese says:This move is to powerful to ignore![[User:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''Cheese'''''</font>]] [[File:The Cheese.png|19px]] 10:45, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#I've never actually played on Mushroom Kingdom II, but Magicant is a much better looking stage, I like its series much more, and the music is phenomenal. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">HUAH!</span>]]</b> 12:54, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
#Pretty much the best move ever used in Melee. [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|You can call me]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Pollyanna]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 12:46, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#Magicant wins for me hands down due to all the awesome references on this stage. Seeing the Dungeon Man and other parts of Mother 1+2 recreated in 3d is a real treat. [[User:RisingFalcon|RisingFalcon]] ([[User talk:RisingFalcon|talk]]) 19:26, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
#I took an arrow to the knee. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 15:47, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#Prettier and chock full of cool references. [[User:TheDavsto|TheDavsto]] ([[User talk:TheDavsto|talk]]) 10:13, 11 September 2018 (EDT)
#Knee + PAWNCH = Ownage. [[User:Zeldasmash|<font color="gold">'''Zelda'''</font><font color="green">'''smash'''</font>]][[User talk:Zeldasmash|''<span style="color: darkblue;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 15:59, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#Since I played for 3ds way more, I definitely would prefer this beautiful stage. [[User:Super A|Super A]] ([[User talk:Super A|talk]]) 19:37, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
#The Knee of Justice cannot be beaten by girly magical rainbow kicks. [[User:Samzapp|Samzapp]] ([[User talk:Samzapp|talk]]) 16:58, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#It has a better layout, great music, and gorgeous visuals (especially in Ultimate). The Flying Men may be annoying and I love the retro aesthetic of MK2 and similar stages, but Magicant's creative design makes it more memorable to me. [[User:AquaShield11097|<span style="color: blue;">Aqua Shield</span>]] ([[User talk:AquaShield11097|''<span style="color: darkblue;">talk</span>'']]) [[File:AquaShield.png|20px]] 22:43, 2 October 2018 (EDT)
#It's one of Captain Falcon's moves, and anything Captain Falcon does is unbeatable. [[User:Toadat9021doh|Toadat9021doh]] ([[User talk:Toadat9021doh|talk]]) 17:16, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#Gorgeous map. Nice design. Will be even better in Ultimate with the option to take out the flying man. :P [[User:OctopusSandwich|OctopusSandwich]] 20:24, 14 October 2018 (EDT)
# IT IS MORE LIGHTNING [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red">'''Light'''</font>]][[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:silver">'''ning'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/LightningBlue|<font style="color:blue">'''Blue'''</font>]] 17:48, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
#--[[Special:Contributions/180.249.127.254|180.249.127.254]] 04:36, 4 November 2018 (EST)
#I believe what I was going to add was said in some way or another above. '''''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:maroon;">--Havoc</span>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:brown;">48</span>]]<span style="color:navy;"> >:D!!!</span>''''' 19:40, 8 July 2012 (EDT)
#[[User:KoreanPJs|KoreanPJs]] ([[User talk:KoreanPJs|talk]]) 03:10, 7 November 2018 (EST)
#BECUZ IT <font color=red>'''PWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSSS'''</font>--[[User:Bandit|<font style='font-family:myriad pro;font-size:13pt;color:hsl(36.5,100%,50%)'>Bandit</font>]] 02:26, 9 July 2012 (EDT)#
#RPGs > Platformers. --[[Special:Contributions/113.212.233.12|113.212.233.12]] 06:18, 10 November 2018 (EST)
#Look at my userpage about the worst characters.[[User:Shanicpower|<font color="cadetblue">Shanic</font>]][[User talk:Shanicpower|<font color="red">'''power'''</font>]][[File:Shanicpower.png|19px]] Fear the RAWK! 04:11, 9 July 2012 (EDT)
#I only have Smash for 3ds and will be getting ultimate, and I know flying man ruins the stage, but with stage hazards off, this'll be a great stage. [[User:MimoMQ|MimoMQ]] ([[User talk:MimoMQ|talk]]) 19:43, 25 November 2018 (EST)
#It's like a rising knee to the face! [[Special:Contributions/24.168.107.113|24.168.107.113]] 10:48, 9 July 2012 (EDT)
#As a massive fan of the Mother series, this is a absolutely beautiful stage. Any mario stage (except for Ney Donk City Hall) is just to tell you how great the mario games are. (Fourside will always be the best mother stage). [[User:MasterDuelist_24|MasterDuelist_24]] ([[User talk:MasterDuelist_24|talk]]) 10:39, 31 January 2019 (EST)
#Ow, Falcon hurt me in the nuts.(NUTSMASH!) [[User:Marioisawesome118|<font color="red">Mario</font>]][[User talk:Marioisawesome118|<font color="green">is</font>]]<span style="font-family":KristenITC font size:10pt>[[Special:Contributions/Marioisawesome118|<font color="indigo">awesome</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Marioisawesome118|<font color="iceblue">118</font>]] [[File:Marioisawesome118.png|19px]] 11:36, 9 July 2012 (EDT)
#The Flying Man ruins the stage but with stage hazards off its no biggie. Mushroom Kingdom II is too small to fight on. [[User:Tyler730|Tyler730]] ([[User talk:Tyler730|talk]]) 13:05, 2 February 2019 (EST)
#My 2nd favorite attack of his (my favorite attack of his is Falcon Punch). <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 13:08, 9 July 2012 (EDT)
#One of my favorites. --[[Special:Contributions/24.146.71.225|24.146.71.225]] 18:22, 4 February 2019 (EST)
#I like to call it the Falcon Knee of Justice.<span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]] 19:05, 9 July 2012 (EDT)
#it looks so cool man.[[User:Iamthedude|Iamthedude]] ([[User talk:Iamthedude|talk]]) 21:55, 24 February 2019 (EST)
#Really? You need a reason? --- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]][[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 23:41, 13 July 2012 (EDT)
#Magicant has godlike music and looks incredible. Makes me want an Earthbound Beginnings remake. --[[User:Plague von Karma|Plague von Karma]] ([[User talk:Plague von Karma|talk]]) 01:32, April 9, 2019 (EDT)
#Wow i never actually voted for this, anyway if this was exclusivly for the 3ds version of Magicant, then i'd say the other stage is better, but Magicant for ultimate looks so good to me it is almost no contest. Plus it isnt a walk-off <span style="background:#ea244a;border:outset #906 5px">'''[[User:Xtra3678|Xtra]][[File:Xtra_headpng.png|20px]][[User talk:Xtra3678|<span style="color:Lime">Talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Xtra3678|<span style="color: Gold">Edits</span>]]'''</span> 10:39, April 24, 2019 (EDT)
#I like the stage in its entirety, and Mario stages are boring. Plus, Magicant is very cute. I like the pink. [[Special:Contributions/75.86.147.26|75.86.147.26]] 07:15, May 26, 2019 (EDT)
#I think this stage looks cooler than the other. That's pretty much all. [[User:JRJ007|JRJ007]] ([[User talk:JRJ007|talk]]) 19:39, June 2, 2019 (EDT)
#The stage is cute. Plus, the Flying Man is great. [[User:LucasRules|LucasRules]] ([[User talk:LucasRules|talk]]) 17:34, June 5, 2019 (EDT)
#This one's far more creative than MK2, and the Flying Men aren't too annoying when you learn how they function. --[[User:MeatBall104|<span style="color: red">'''''Meat'''''</span>]][[User talk:MeatBall104|<span style="color: orange">'''''Ball'''''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MeatBall104|<span style="color:Gold">'''''104'''''</span>]] [[File:MB104Pic2.jpg|20px]] 09:45, June 6, 2019 (EDT)
#Surprised this is still going on. I love both stages but I'm giving my vote to Magicant. Overall better looking stage and Ultimate's hazerdless option make it better to have a serious fight on in my (as I call it since I never played in real tournaments) pseudo tournaments, and generally I want to support the EarthBound franchise.[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> '''SupaToad64''' </span>]] [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 02:09, June 10, 2019 (EDT)
# Two words: Walk-offs. Maybe that's one word. Whatever's the case, stages where you can walk into the blast zone are a bane for competitive and casual players alike, whether you're getting back-throwed into oblivion, or a combo brings you a little bit to far to the left while, frustratingly, you were close to 0%. [[User:Mogo|Mogo]] ([[User talk:Mogo|talk]]) 08:02, 6/10/2019 (EST)
#FLYING MAN!!!![[User:DarkNight|DarkNight]] ([[User talk:DarkNight|talk]]) 11:06, June 15, 2019 (EDT)
#It looks like pink cotton candy!!!![[Special:Contributions/71.9.47.77|71.9.47.77]] 11:30, June 15, 2019 (EDT)
#Let's just say this stage really appeals to me personally. --[[Special:Contributions/73.220.19.65|73.220.19.65]] 16:45, June 19, 2019 (EDT)
#It doesn't have a walk-off section. Better for gameplay imo. [[Special:Contributions/156.57.171.73|156.57.171.73]] 15:06, August 20, 2019 (EDT)RSdabeast
#Great music, great callbacks to MOTHER 1, and just a great stage in general. It was a bit better in Smash 4 because the memories looked cooler and flying man was stronger, but Ultimate made it bigger so it's fine. Magicant best stage.[[Special:Contributions/12.148.188.195|12.148.188.195]] 19:31, October 2, 2019 (EDT)
#Music is better, has nice throwbacks to an amazing RPG. Except Flying Man. Flying Man can die. <span style="font-family: SimHei;color: orange;background-color: green;">LegendEH Is Very [[User talk:LegendEH|Handsome]]~</span> 11:22, November 22, 2019 (EST)
#I hate walk offs. they make me sad. [[User:CMWAidanx|CMWAidanx? Yikes.]] ([[User talk:CMWAidanx|talk]]) 16:42, December 2, 2019 (EST) 16:41 EST, 12/2/2019
#As of the visual update in Ultimate, I am now much more fond of this stage. It's also more fun to play on now, especially because you can spike opponents through the clouds. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 10:10, December 22, 2019 (EST)
#Magicant is just better to fight on in my opinion. Flying Man is pretty annoying, but the reason I'm giving a full vote because it has better music, and platforms, just listening to Unfounded Revenge/Smashing song of praise while fighting as Ness/Lucas on Magicant is enough to make me feel better. [[User:Weegeegaming|'''<span style="color: green;">Weegeegaming</span>''']]|[[User talk:Weegeegaming|'''''<span style="color: red;">talk</span>''''']] 04:31, April 11, 2020 (EDT)


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#FALCON KNEE!  <small>-Preceding unsigned comment added by [[90.131.123.167]]</small>
#This stage is more fun in my opinion. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:73.204.16.209|73.204.16.209]] ([[User talk:73.204.16.209|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/73.204.16.209|contribs]]) 15:45, 11 September 2018 (EDT)</small>
#Falcon attack is awesome!!! <small>-Preceding unsigned comment added by [[67.68.40.58]]</small>
#I prefer the music and the stage layout over Mushroom Kingdom II. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Epic Meme God|Epic Meme God]] ([[User talk:Epic Meme God|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Epic Meme God|contribs]]) 20:27, 5 February 2019 (EST)</small>
#Captain Falcon beats Zelda any day of the week! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:65.128.212.241|65.128.212.241]] ([[User talk:65.128.212.241|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/65.128.212.241|contribs]]) 21:08, 7 July 2012</small>
#Mushroom Kingdom 2 is not in the Mushroom Kingdom, it's in Supcon!!! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:LinkBoy|LinkBoy]] ([[User talk:LinkBoy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LinkBoy|contribs]]) 18:08, 8 March 2019 (EST)</small>
#Knee Smash is cool!! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:32.60.95.57|32.60.95.57]] ([[User talk:32.60.95.57|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/32.60.95.57|contribs]]) 20:21, 10 July 2012 (EDT)</small>
#I am a massive fan of the Mother series, and plus this stage is beautiful. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Xay1494|Xay1494]] ([[User talk:Xay1494|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Xay1494|contribs]]) 20:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)</small>
#Magicant also references Earthbound Zero. Its a fun stage with the Flyingmen. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:FlaminKirb|FlaminKirb]] ([[User talk:FlaminKirb|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FlaminKirb|contribs]]) 12:56, April 12, 2019</small>
#Magicant hazards off is pretty nice for casual doubles/free for all’s not gonna lie. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:ThiccMan|ThiccMan]] ([[User talk:ThiccMan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ThiccMan|contribs]]) 08:27, 2019 April 13</small>
#I love this stage a lot! If I am not feeling like a serious 1v1, I might do a slightly more casual free-for-all on this stage. 18:33 September 24, 2019 (EST) Kalifguest22 <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Kalifguest22|Kalifguest22]] ([[User talk:Kalifguest22|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kalifguest22|contribs]]) 18:33 September 24, 2019 (EDT)</small>
#FLYING BIRD MAN <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:69.5.117.14|69.5.117.14]] ([[User talk:69.5.117.14|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/69.5.117.14|contribs]]) 19:22, December 11, 2019</small>
#Just better <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:107.77.249.24|107.77.249.24]] ([[User talk:107.77.249.24|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/107.77.249.24|contribs]]) 16:32, December 12, 2019</small>
#As a casual smash player, this is a great stage for camping and a lot of people struggle with the bottom area.<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:18.205.117.140|18.205.117.140]] ([[User talk:18.205.117.140|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/18.205.117.140|contribs]]) 19:24, March 19, 2020</small>


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This seems like a rather one-sided contest due to Captain Falcon's general popularity (and the Knee Smash is one of his trademark moves, so...). [[User:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Naked'''</font>]] [[User talk:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Snake'''</font>]] [[File:200px-Naked Snake.jpg |19px|]] 04:52, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
The reason I love Mushroom Kingdom II is because of the music from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario Bros 2}}''. First, you have the overworld theme during a match and when time is running out and in [[Sudden Death]], it changes to the boss battle theme! Great stage! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 17:19, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
:I completely agree with you. This is barely a fair fight. Although I just know someone's gonna pity vote. [[User:Bowzerdude|<font color="green">'''Bowzer'''</font><font color="yellow">'''dude'''</font>]][[User talk:Bowzerdude|<font color="red">'''- Pure Epicness!'''</font>]] 06:55, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
:Actually, Suzaku Castle in Smash 4 will do the same thing, although it has to be a specific track of music.[[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 08:09, 7 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
::Rule 12.[[User:Shanicpower|<font color="cadetblue">Shanic</font>]][[User talk:Shanicpower|<font color="red">'''power'''</font>]][[File:Shanicpower.png|19px]] Fear the RAWK! 04:09, 9 July 2012 (EDT)
Someone keeps deleting my vote! I keep voting the same thing on Magicant, but every time I come back to the page to look at new votes, my vote is gone! I'm not sockpuppeting, so why do my votes keep being taken off? [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 12:00, 8 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
Someone must have saw my suggestion before it got removed because of the policy. [[User:F1reBurn1ng|F1reBurn1ng]] ([[User talk:F1reBurn1ng|talk]]) 11:42, 9 July 2012 (EDT)
:Apparently someone with the same IP address has already voted. That's probably why it didn't count.[[User:SugarCookie420|SugarCookie420]] ([[User talk:SugarCookie420|talk]]) 08:40, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
:This fight is up because it got lots of support when Omega Tyrant suggested it. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 17:17, 9 July 2012 (EDT)
:Amazing stage picks for this Smash Arena
::Ahh, I see. I haven't been on SmashWiki for a while. At least there aren't any awful puns here. [[User:F1reBurn1ng|F1reBurn1ng]] ([[User talk:F1reBurn1ng|talk]]) 15:30, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
How is this still going [[User talk:RetroPika|<font color="yellow">RetroPika</font>]][[File:PikachuHeadSSB.png|17px]] 04:58, 8 January 2019 (EST)
::: Nevermind. I didn't see your vote until after I posted that. [[User:F1reBurn1ng|F1reBurn1ng]] ([[User talk:F1reBurn1ng|talk]]) 15:32, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
::The wiki status is still Red, so not much attention is placed onto this. [[User:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman"><span style="color: red;">SugarCookie</span></span>]] [[User talk:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color: green;">420</span></span>]] 14:54, 4 March 2019 (EST)
:The Knee Smash seems to be very popular! [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]] 10:25, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
:::Still, these are supposed to be weekly, and it's been about 10 months. We should probably end this round at some point. <span style="color:lightblue">'''Everone123'''</span> [[File:Everone123 Sig.png|20px]] ([[User:Everone123|u]] / [[User talk:Everone123|t]] / [[Special:Contributions/Everone123|c]]) 21:50, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
::Those comments aren't allowed as stated in Rule 12. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 19:29, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
::::We are in a red Wiki status which means we must focus more on main articles than the SA. We can get new rounds once the status lowers to at least a yellow. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164{{#if:|_({{{3}}})}}|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is made in America  21:58, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
:::I can't see anything about that in rule 12.[[User:Shanicpower|<font color="cadetblue">Shanic</font>]][[User talk:Shanicpower|<font color="red">'''power'''</font>]][[File:Shanicpower.png|19px]] Fear the RAWK! 02:23, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
::::We are now in the yellow status. It's still high, but we should probably have a new arena by the end of April. [[User:X-Biaur19|X-Biaur19]] ([[User talk:X-Biaur19|talk]]) 10:10, April 25, 2019 (EDT)X-Biaur19
:I really like the "light-blue and yellow" color scheme used for the Lightning Kick "box/table" in this round. :D [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 22:35, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
:::::We may be in yellow, but we are still in a very heavy yellow, which is honestly almost red, due to jokers reveal. It may seem like its unnecessary to have to wait this long but i dont think we should try to rush the admins right now. <span style="background:#ea244a;border:outset #906 5px">'''[[User:Xtra3678|Xtra]][[File:Xtra_headpng.png|20px]][[User talk:Xtra3678|<span style="color:Lime">Talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Xtra3678|<span style="color: Gold">Edits</span>]]'''</span> 12:29, April 25, 2019 (EDT)
::::That's fair.[[User:X-Biaur19|X-Biaur19]] ([[User talk:X-Biaur19|talk]]) 10:07, April 29, 2019 (EDT)X-Biaur19
Hasn't this match been going for more than a year now?[[User:DarkNight|DarkNight]] ([[User talk:DarkNight|talk]]) 20:55, June 16, 2019 (EDT)
 
I think both stages are about equal in functionality when weighing strengths and weaknesses, but Magicant wins out for me not only because it's absolutely breathtaking, especially in Ultimate, but because of the rampant references to Mother 1 and 2. As anyone who has followed my edits knows (which I expect to be a grand total of zero), origins really really matter to me, so to see a stage crafted with such love for the source material just amazes me. Mushroom Kingdom II is no slouch either, but I'd argue it's slightly worse since almost all of its assets are just straight-up taken from All-Stars while Magicant uses mostly original models and animations. Sure it also takes things directly from both of the Mother games it appears in, but uses them sparingly and mostly just for a few cool call-backs in the background. I think it says a lot when I've never been a huge Mother fan and yet the love for the series put into this stage blows me away. [[Special:Contributions/73.220.19.65|73.220.19.65]] 16:45, June 19, 2019 (EDT)
 
...This is going to end soon right?<span style="font-family: Algerian; font-size:12pt"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Supa </span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Toad 64 </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px  ]] 02:17, June 22, 2019 (EDT)
 
OK I think this one has had its run and we should stop it now. We may be in red but my god this just dragged on and on and on and on... [[User:Coconut2|<font color="cyan">Coconut2</font>]][[File:IsabelleHeadSSBU.png|20px]] 10:08, June 25, 2019
:If smash arena is supposed to have a new match weekly, this is exatly 1 year, 3 weeks, and 1 day overdue.<span style="font-family: Algerian; font-size:12pt"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Supa </span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Toad 64 </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px  ]] 20:35, July 1, 2019 (EDT)
OK END THIS ALREADY THIS IS ALREADY TOO MUCH TIME OR HELL EVEN CANCEL SMASH ARENA ENTIRELY, I DON'T CARE, JUST END IT. [[User:Coconut2|<font color="cyan">Coconut2</font>]][[File:IsabelleHeadSSBU.png|20px]] 21:21, July 17, 2019
:First, calm down, it's not like this will go on for another millennium again. Second I will contact the admin team regarding when this will end.<span style="font-family: Algerian; font-size:12pt"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Supa </span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Toad 64 </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px  ]] 05:43, July 19, 2019 (EDT)
When will we get a new Smash Arena? [[Special:Contributions/174.55.24.64|174.55.24.64]] 17:52, September 4, 2019 (EDT)
 
Just gonna put it here, do not comment on when we are getting another Smash Arena. The admins will get to it when they get to it, and asking again and again will get you nowhere. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 18:39, September 22, 2019 (EDT)
 
Ok, so when’s the new Smash Arena coming? Genuine confusion. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:TCBlitz|TCBlitz]] ([[User talk:TCBlitz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TCBlitz|contribs]]) 22:13, November 12, 2019</small>
:Read what I said above. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 19:11, December 9, 2019 (EST)
Uhhh... how long has this been on? I just made my account in March and, judging by your comments, it's been like, two years. [[User:Weegeegaming|'''<span style="color: green;">Weegeegaming</span>''']]|[[User talk:Weegeegaming|'''''<span style="color: red;">talk</span>''''']] 04:37, April 11, 2020 (EDT)
 
:Smash Arena is not a priority as of right now. The admins will make a new one eventually, not yet just. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="font-family:Algerian">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<font color="blue">OmegαToαd</font> <font color="aqua">the Toαd Wαrrior</font>]] [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="springgreen">(BUP)</font></span>]]''' 04:40, April 11, 2020 (EDT)
::If you want, you can join our Discord. We have an active Smash Arena there. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 17:49, April 13, 2020 (EDT)
 
Huh, I guess that's the end of Smash Arena. I stopped following it a few years back. RIP. --[[User:Meester Tweester|Meester Tweester]] ([[User talk:Meester Tweester|talk]]) 00:15, April 16, 2020 (EDT)
::Smash Arena is on Discord now, the SA tab links to its page. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164{{#if:|_({{{3}}})}}|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:21, April 23, 2020 (EDT)
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==Round 144: [[Wario]] vs. [[Waluigi]]==
==Round 256: [[Sheik]] vs. [[Greninja]]==
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===Votes for ''Sheik''===
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===Votes for ''Wario''===
#Hmm some weird frog thing or a ninja of royalty? <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 00:44, 16 December 2017 (EST)
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#Yeah Sheik is 10x more fun to play at high level, and way more interesting to watch than Greninja most of the time. <span style="color:Green;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">'''--'''</span>[[User:Penro|<span style="color:Red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px red">'''Pen'''</span>]][[User talk:Penro|<span style="color:Black; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px black">'''ro'''</span>]] 08:41, 19 December 2017 (EST)
#He actually has a series. Two to be exact. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red">'''Light'''</font>]][[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:silver">'''ning'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/LightningBlue|<font style="color:blue">'''Blue'''</font>]]  23:56, 29 June 2012 (EDT)
#Fun fact: when I was in primary school, I once wore a similar disguise and was known as Sheik for that day. <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 22:27, 11 January 2018 (EST)
#D'oh I missed! [[User:Shanderu|<font color="purple">'''Shan'''</font>]][[User talk:Shanderu|<font style="color:darkorange;">'''deru'''</font>]] [[File:MiniGhost.png|16px]]  23:58, 29 June 2012 (EDT)
#Sheik has a grenade, martial arts training, needles, and exploding walnuts. Greninja has a long-ass tongue, a log, and a crappy doll. Who would you choose? [[User:Iron Gladiator|Iron Reggie, Master of Memes]] ([[User talk:Iron Gladiator|talk]]) 02:04, 28 January 2018 (EST)
#Pretty much like Wario though. And I don't really like Waluigi. [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|You can call me]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Pollyanna]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 23:59, 29 June 2012 (EDT)
#I like both of them but I like Sheik more cuz top tier [[User:SmileFtw123|SmileFtw123]] ([[User talk:SmileFtw123|talk]]) 03:05, 30 January 2018 (EST)
#I like Wario as a playable character and I don't like Waluigi as an Assist Trophy. Plus I like the WarioWare games. ''[[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="green">123</font>]][[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]][[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="purple">Heart</font>]]'' [[file:PatheticStickFigure.jpg|20px|link=Special:Random]] 00:01, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
#I think I prefer Sheik a little bit more, so I guess I'll place my vote here.--[[Special:Contributions/192.197.128.21|192.197.128.21]] 13:16, 2 February 2018 (EST)
#Wario is more popular than Waluigi!! [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]]  00:07, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
#I prefer Sheik's aesthetic design, and Greninja isn't a very good starter in my opinion. Neither is great to me, but I prefer Sheik. --[[User:UnbeatableSith|UnbeatableSith]] ([[User talk:UnbeatableSith|talk]]) 21:41, 16 March 2018 (EDT)
#[[User:Bandit|<font style='font-family:myriad pro;font-size:13pt;color:hsl(4.25,100%,50%)'>Bandit</font>]] 00:17, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
# [[Special:Contributions/174.53.1.71|174.53.1.71]] 10:57, 5 February 2018 (EST)
#I don't really like Waluigi. [[Special:Contributions/204.191.140.116|204.191.140.116]] 00:19, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
#She has a chain. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 22:43, 16 March 2018 (EDT)
#I actually hate Waluigi with a passion and Wario is one of my favourite characters, so for me this is a no-brainer. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 02:25, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
#I can't stand fighting against Greninja, and Sheik was one of my mains in Brawl. Also, I feel like she has a higher chance of making it into Smash 5. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 15:58, 11 April 2018 (EDT)
#Wa-wa-waario!--<font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 10:07, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
#I love his Wario Waft. [[User:Stranger1260|<font style="color:#003366;font-family:Comic Sans MS">'''Stranger</font>]] [[User talk:Stranger1260|<font style="color:#339933;font-family:Comic Sans MS">'''1260'''</font>]] [[File:Master_Ball.png|20px]] 10:33, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
#I personally am <s>so horrified I want to claw my face out</s> surprised because this suggestion made it, but might as well vote for Wario. '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 16:18, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
#As much as I love Waluigi, Wario is playable and his two series of his own. Sorry, man with an upside-down, reflected L on his cap. '''[[User:DarkFox01|<font color="black">DarkFox01</font>]], <small>[[Special:Editcount/DarkFox01|<font color="darkred">E</font>]][[User talk:DarkFox01|<font color="gray">T</font>]][[Special:Contributions/DarkFox01|<font color="red">C</font>]].'''</small> 18:34, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
#<span style="color:purple">'''BUT SO IS YELLOW'''</span>-- [[User:Captain Falcon|<span style="color: black;">'''Captain Falcon'''</span>]] [[User talk: Captain Falcon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']] 13:26, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
#The strong man prevails so, GO Wario GO GO Go Wario GO GO! [[User:Marioisawesome118|<font color="red">Mario</font>]][[User talk:Marioisawesome118|<font color="green">is</font>]]<span style="font-family":KristenITC font size:10pt>[[Special:Contributions/Marioisawesome118|<font color="indigo">awesome</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Marioisawesome118|<font color="iceblue">118</font>]] [[File:Marioisawesome118.png|19px]] 11:30, 5 July 2012 (EDT)
#Both have likeable qualities, but Wario edges it out for me. Maybe because Wario has so much presence compared to Waluigi, the dude with the weird-yet-intriguing inverted "L" emblazoned on his cap...? [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 22:33, 5 July 2012 (EDT)


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#Super wario is cool <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:96.248.59.149|96.248.59.149]] ([[User talk:96.248.59.149|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/96.248.59.149|contribs]]) 11:07, 4 July 2012</small>
#Shiek is better <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:24.234.62.218 |24.234.62.218 ]] ([[User talk:24.234.62.218 |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.234.62.218 |contribs]]) 23:22, 11 December 2017 (EST)</small>
#Wario is awesome!! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:205.189.194.201|205.189.194.201]] ([[User talk:205.189.194.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/205.189.194.201|contribs]]) 14:04, 6 July 2012 (EDT)</small>
#very good at aerial combos# <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:73.222.194.39|73.222.194.39]] ([[User talk:73.222.194.39|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/73.222.194.39|contribs]]) 03:46, 9 January 2018</small>
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===Votes for ''Waluigi''===
===Votes for ''Greninja''===
#Waluigi is such a comic relief in Mario Party. Heh![[Special:Contributions/97.67.160.226|97.67.160.226]] 11:07, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
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#WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH![[Special:Contributions/85.230.102.205|85.230.102.205]] 11:39, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
#I find Sheik's playstyle in SSB4 to be quite aggravating to play as or against. Greninja's not so frustrating. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:32, 11 December 2017 (EST)
#At least he knows how to stay all the way fit rather than just in his arms. [[User:Toadat9021doh|Toadat9021doh]] ([[User talk:Toadat9021doh|talk]]) 11:41, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
#Us Pokémon gotta stick together I guess. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 04:54, 11 December 2017 (EST)
# Waluigi. Because why the hell not.[[Special:Contributions/94.15.53.236|94.15.53.236]] 03:18, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
#I like ''Pokémon'' more, Greninja has appeared in more than just one canon game (discounting remakes), and its playstyle in ''Smash'' is far more interesting to watch. [[File:034.png|20px]] '''<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:DracoRexKing|<font color="red">DracoRex,]]</font> [[User talk:DracoRexKing|<font color="olive">Creator of the Land]]</font></span>''' 07:45, 11 December 2017 (EST)
#Waaluigi!!![[Special:Contributions/109.58.184.79|109.58.184.79]] 08:10, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
#Greninja is a great Pokémon and he did appear in Sun and Moon as a present. Greninja's playstyle in ''Smash 4'' is... awesome! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 09:33, 13 December 2017 (EST)
#I like him on Brawl in the Family, and besides, he's just a funny character. Wario's not bad, but I just don't like him in Brawl anyways (down smash takes forever...) [[Special:Contributions/202.120.12.224|202.120.12.224]] 09:44, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
#R.I.P Sheik after Melee. The Smash 4 Sheik combo game is nothing like its predecessor. also I love the hydro pump jank [[User:Lasagna|lasagna B)]] ([[User talk:Lasagna|talk]]) 10:27, 13 December 2017 (EST)
#Who could turn down the son of Eario? Besides, Waluigi uses a tennis racket, sending Mario Tennis: Power Tour nostalgia vibes through me. I guess you could say he's ''ace''. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 09:58, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
#In Smash 5 Greninja's Final Smash should be Ash-Greninja. [[Special:Contributions/24.52.19.237|24.52.19.237]] 19:50, 15 December 2017 (EST)
#Always will be my favourite. Screw the critics. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=#008000>D<font color=#198000>o<font color=#318000>c<font color=#498000>t<font color=#628000>o<font color=#808000>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|{ROLLBACKER}]]</small> 12:48, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
#Better nerf Greninja <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:red">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:green">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  23:10, 15 December 2017 (EST)
#Purple is a colour. --- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]][[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 13:04, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
#{{Sm|iStudying}}. Nuff said. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: green;">'''the Festive Rurouni'''</span>]] 20:52, 18 December 2017 (EST)
#One of my favorite Mario characters.[[User:Shanicpower|<font color="cadetblue">Shanic</font>]][[User talk:Shanicpower|<font color="red">'''power'''</font>]][[File:Shanicpower.png|19px]] Fear the RAWK! 14:10, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
#--[[Special:Contributions/23.17.208.28|23.17.208.28]] 01:46, 24 January 2018 (EST)
#The Cheese says: Pity vote. [[User:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''Cheese'''''</font>]] [[File:The Cheese.png|19px]] 09:50, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
#Greninja is just the character I think is cooler (although ANY ninja gets cool points). I do hope they change his final smash, however, if he's gonna be in Smash 5 [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 12:02, 9 March 2018 (EST)
#I hate Wario with a passion, plus Waluigi doesn't support obesity.[[Special:Contributions/71.55.133.163|71.55.133.163]] 12:01, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
#I love Greninja so much. He's the best of my four mains, and I hope he's in Smash 5! [[User:Capnap64|Capnap64]] ([[User talk:Capnap64|talk]]) 09:33, 4 April 2018 (EDT)
#WAAH![[Special:Contributions/77.219.170.14|77.219.170.14]] 11:24, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
#Greninja is fun. Sheik is not. Sheik is aggravating, both to play as and against. Greninja is not. Greninja is a hecking awesome ninja that can literally make shurikens out of water! Sheik just throws needles at people and plays a harp. Enough said. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 08:05, 10 May 2018 (EDT) Blueflame105
#Waluigi didn't d'oh miss. --[[Special:Contributions/76.20.130.244|76.20.130.244]] 14:15, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
#Gotta love them long gams. [[Special:Contributions/67.173.145.76|67.173.145.76]] 13:40, 4 July 2012 (EDT)
#Per Shanicpower.[[Special:Contributions/37.2.224.160|37.2.224.160]] 14:50, 4 July 2012 (EDT)
#Expecting a vote for Wario?  Too bad. Waluigi time. [[User:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Naked'''</font>]] [[User talk:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Snake'''</font>]] [[File:200px-Naked Snake.jpg |19px|]] 10:15, 5 July 2012 (EDT)
# Waluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuigi.[[Special:Contributions/92.42.57.34|92.42.57.34]] 09:52, 5 July 2012 (EDT)
#Waluigi's back. Now the Smash Arena is funny again.--[[Special:Contributions/201.165.215.90|201.165.215.90]] 01:41, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
#WAAH![[Special:Contributions/90.129.139.123|90.129.139.123]] 09:33, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
#There's no way Walugi's powers of awesomeness can move this vote into his section... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?! [[Special:Contributions/24.168.107.113|24.168.107.113]] 21:44, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
 
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#Waluigi can almost K.O. players at 0% So and Wario Don't smell him!! [[User:Real life Toon Link|Watch a real life cartoon!]]
#Waluigi is tall and that's why I like it. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:67.68.41.55|67.68.41.55]] ([[User talk:67.68.41.55|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/67.68.41.55|contribs]]) 22:46, June 30, 2012</small>
#Waluigi scares my brother, that is why he gets my vote! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:SSB Brawler|SSB Brawler]] ([[User talk:SSB Brawler|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SSB Brawler|contribs]]) 16:01, 6 July 2012 (EDT)</small>
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:Anyone notice Wario's buttons kinda look like garlic? [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:orange;font-family:lucida sans">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;font-family:lucida sans">''Summer with Melee and Brawl''</font>]]  00:18, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
Shouldn't this match have been decided, like, several weeks ago? [[User:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: red;">'''Iron Reggie,'''</span>]] [[User talk:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: cyan;">'''Master of Memes'''</span>]] 10:31, 26 February 2018 (EST)
::Well, "Wario loves garlic", so it would make sense. [[Special:Contributions/204.191.140.116|204.191.140.116]] 00:21, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
What happened to the Link vs. Samus suggestion??? [[Special:Contributions/67.68.41.55|67.68.41.55]] 08:33, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
:It has been decided whether or not it will be used, and so, has been removed from Suggestions. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 09:59, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
@AirConditioner B-b-but I suggested this...[[User:Shanicpower|<font color="cadetblue">Shanic</font>]][[User talk:Shanicpower|<font color="red">'''power'''</font>]][[File:Shanicpower.png|19px]] Fear the RAWK! 14:47, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
:A lot of your suggestions are awesome, but this one feels a bit unoriginal... I prefer matchups that are less obvious. Sorry if I offended you, and don't take it personally, someone was bound to suggest this one at one point or another and I would have hated it whether you, an IP, or Toomai had come up with the idea for it. :\ '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 17:37, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
:Wow! Two days in and already Waluigi has more votes in this one than the past two matches he was in COMBINED. Just found that worthy of noting here. [[User:Toadat9021doh|Toadat9021doh]] ([[User talk:Toadat9021doh|talk]]) 18:17, 1 July 2012 (EDT)


I must ask, why the Melee trophies? Both of these two have Brawl artwork. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 18:48, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
This js still going? Currently Sheik 11, Greninja 12. [[User:SmileFtw123]] [[User talk:SmileFtw123]]
:They both were trophies in Melee. Wario is playable in Brawl; Waluigi isn't.--<font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 18:56, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
Smileftw the tier list dose not matter im a dedede and jiggly main
:Shupa, they both had artwork in Brawl I don't understand what Toomai wanted for those images. Maybe he couldn't find a Waluigi image. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red">'''Light'''</font>]][[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:silver">'''ning'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/LightningBlue|<font style="color:blue">'''Blue'''</font>]] 23:21, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
::Lightning, let's stop.--<font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 23:29, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
:While consistency is nice, I get bored of using Brawl artwork/screenshots all the time, especially if there are images that work better together (such as this case). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Quiet 19:40, 4 July 2012 (EDT)


The Cheese says: Dose anyone know why the Smash Arena isn't taking anymore suggestions? Is it closing or somthing?[[User:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''Cheese'''''</font>]] [[File:The Cheese.png|19px]] 09:55, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
Seriously, this should have happened months ago! Who's in charge of Smash Arena anyway? Blueflame105
::Toomai is going to come up with the rest of the rounds until he feels that Suggestions should be opened again. '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 10:01, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
:As always, once the queue is too full, suggestions are closed until there aren't many left. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Quiet 19:40, 4 July 2012 (EDT)


http://brawlinthefamily.keenspot.com/2009/04/01/151-witf/ [[User:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Naked'''</font>]] [[User talk:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Snake'''</font>]] [[File:200px-Naked Snake.jpg |19px|]] 10:15, 5 July 2012 (EDT)
Ay, they did change his final smash for Smash 5. Nice. [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 15:18, November 5, 2019 (EST)
:I personally think that the ''Brawl'' portraits/pictures would've worked better for this round, but I can see Toomai's point as well about how "Brawl-only pictures" can get boring after a while for some people. [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 22:33, 5 July 2012 (EDT)
::No, I definitely agree with you that having ''Brawl'' art would make more sense because not everyone is familiar with BitF's portrayal of Waluigi (although some of these votes tell me that there are fellow BitF'ers here).  I was just posting the link in case some people were wondering why Waluigi is so popular.  [[User:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Naked'''</font>]] [[User talk:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Snake'''</font>]] [[File:200px-Naked Snake.jpg |19px|]] 22:36, 5 July 2012 (EDT)
:::The other reason I picked Melee trophis is because they're more self-consistent than the Brawl artwork of the two (Wario has the gradient background and a far more detailed model). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Spark 00:03, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
:"Yeah! Waluigi's da winner!" Sorry, but I had to make that joke now that it could finally be made. [[User:Toadat9021doh|Toadat9021doh]] ([[User talk:Toadat9021doh|talk]]) 17:16, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
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Round 257: Mushroom Kingdom II vs. Magicant[edit]

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 Winner!!
Magicant
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45 to 48
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These two worlds only exist within protagonists' dreams - who wakes up first?

Votes for Mushroom Kingdom II[edit]

1. Wow, who'd have thought that I would ever vote for a Melee stage over a Smash 4 stage? Unfortunately for Magicant, I just find the stage to be ugly and weird looking. It probably doesn't help that it runs on the 3DS but it doesn't look appealing to me in the slightest. On the other hand who can't love the design of a stage inspired by the classic Super Mario Bros. NES series itself? Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 10:48, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
  1. I hate Magicant with a passion. Going with the obvious better option. A classic too. Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ KirbysCrazyAppetiteSig.png 12:48, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
  2. Mushroom Kingdom II = Super Mario Bros. 2! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 12:52, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
  3. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 20:56, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
  4. The only correct answer is Mushroom Kingdom II. Pokebub (talk) 01:36, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
  5. Magicant is just weird. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan Leave a message if needed 08:41, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
  6. This one's pretty close because I like trolling people with Flying Man, but this was my favorite Melee stage so nostalgia beats trolling. TheNuttyOne 14:41, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
  7. Magicent's a cool stage, but I have no real relation with the Earthbound series. Super Mario Bros. 2 is a good game. But speaking in terms of stages, Mushroom Kingdom II has more room to move around, no assist characters that will gang up on you (Birdo's only slightly annoying), and I like the Pidget. Alex95 (talk) 21:07, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
  8. I'm a sucker for nostalgia, plus I like this stage better anyway, so... yeah. Smash Master 15:22, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
  9. I like Melee... and Mario... 54.175.143.180 21:39, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
  10. It's very close for me, but I gotta go with MKII. it's such a throwback, I gotta go for it. Sorry Magicant. Dakota.952 User talk:Dakota.952 17:00, 8 July 2018 (EDT)
  11. For me it's either a game I have never played or a series I don't care about. That and I'm a big Mario fan. Captain Gamer (talk) 13:06, 16 July 2018 (EDT)
  12. mario bros. 2 is my choice for best nes game and this level captures my first experiences with the game XVI (talk) 18:33, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
  13. Even though I am a fan of Magicant because of the universe its in, Mushroom Kingdom II is just... better. In every way. Kbimbatti22 (talk) 13:22, 25 July 2018 (EDT)l
  14. I like Magicant because it seems weird, BUT in this matchup Mushroom Kingdom II is better. It's more refined, stable and easier to play. Long live Ultimate. Sparkwave (talk) 12:06, 17 August 2018 (EDT)
  15. I don't know what to say Sammybambam11 (talk) 14:25, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
  16. Playing on Mario stages in Smash for me is an absolute treat, plus the retro-sounding music gives off so much nostalgia. Sorry Magicant, you're cool, but not as good as one of Mr. Video Game's home stages! SSB4DarkSonicHead.pngSpeed48 20:40, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
  17. I think Mushroom Kingdom II is a much bigger throwback to the classics. Sorry Magicant! RetroPikaPikachuHeadSSB.png 03:29, 8 September 2018 (EDT)
  18. Mushroom kingdom is superior. Sorry, earthbound fans! NicoNiconii (talk) 11:16, 2 November 2018 (EDT) NicoNiconii, November 2, 2018, 11:16 AM EST
  19. I've never played Earthbound so I'll cast my vote here. --203.128.94.27 10:29, 3 November 2018 (EDT)
  20. I am a HUGE Mario fan, and Magicant is very... odd. Go Mushroom Kingdom! Also, the music rocks:)Super Eli (talk) 04:51, 6 November 2018 (EST)
  21. --14.199.84.205 09:47, 10 November 2018 (EST)
  22. Here I am. UltimateWoomy (talk) 22:55, 11 November 2018 (EST)
  23. Super Mario Bros. 2 is quite underrated so this stage is pretty cool for representing that game, plus it’s coming back to Ultimate.Magicant’s a pretty good stage too 174.55.24.64 13:44, 15 November 2018 (EST)
  24. I MADE UP MY MIND! BESTIDIOTEVER (talk) 22:43, 25 November 2018 (EST)
  25. Magican't win! |RK50 (talk) 21:16, 15 December 2018 (EST)
  26. It's the obvious choice to go with the face of gaming's sequel! Johnson T. Shy Guy 17:36, 19 December (EDT)
  27. The song has been stuck in my head all day, so I can't not vote this. 63.224.129.183 15:34, 23 January 2019 (EST)
  28. The hazards and stuff are much more creative. Are there even any in Magicant? KingKRool26 8:00, 14 February 2019 (EST)
  29. I vote for Mushroom Kingdom II becuase overall I think it looks better as a stage then Magicant. 8:56 AM 18 February 2019 (CST)
  30. Mushroom Kingdom II is overall a much better stage to fight on, despite the fact it's a walk-off stage. And there's no Flying Man. 2:43 PM, 4 March 2019 (EST)
  31. I like Mario. And Magicant sounds too much like Magic can't. 50.43.56.91 19:30, April 11, 2019 (EDT)
  32. A-sla-a-sla-a-sla-tte-ry... When I was young, not only did I make up the aforementioned lyrics for the SMB2 theme's opening notes, but I wrote an unintentional self-insert fanfic based on SMB2. RickTommy 01:24, April 25, 2019 (EDT)
  33. I love retro stages, Magicant is camping galore as well, sooooooAzantix (talk) 11:52, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
  34. Magicant made a level 9 Luigi look dumb.Snorlax TheGreat (talk) 08:15, July 5, 2019 (EDT)
  35. --Doggieboy9 (talk) 13:08, July 5, 2019 (EDT)
  36. I prefer beating up Birdo over getting beat up by Chicken Man198.98.24.19 19:23, September 3, 2019 (EDT)
  37. I prefer Mushroom Kingdom II because I am a Mario Fan.Crocodile Dippy 2 (talk) 14:14, September 11, 2019 (EDT)
  38. Jesus this hasn't been updated in a while...but yeah Magicant sucks. Your Senpai, Iron Warrior 12:13, November 20, 2019 (EST)
  39. everything is better than flying man lolStelgard M (talk) 17:24, December 25, 2019 (EST)
  40. Clearly, Flying Man is way to OP and unfair for the others when someone grabs him. I destroyed someone much better than me using him. They should trash either him or the stage. As for Mushroom Kingdom II, I have nothing against it. Mario Kart 7 Rules (talk) 12:37, March 2, 2020 (EST)

Half votes[edit]

  1. I’m just a sucker for Mario stages. Besides, who doens’t love the feeling of extreme nostalgia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MarioFighter64 (talk • contribs) 20:02, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
  2. I feel that it looks a lot cleaner than Magicant. It looks better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cassinator (talk • contribs) 20:55, 10 December 2018 (EST)
  3. MKII FTW! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.191.158.100 (talk • contribs) 23:54, 17 December 2018 (EST)
  4. Birdo is a better trophy than Flying Man in my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BowserIsBroken (talk • Special:Contributions/BowserIsBroken) 18:58, 21 February 2019 (EST)
  5. i love this stage, I think it's a very interesting idea, but mostly, I just don't like the flying man from magicant.SpiritSquirtle (talk) 18:36, September 22, 2019 (EDT)
  6. MushroomKingdom Because I'ts One Of My Favorite Battle Stages, But I Have Respects To Magicant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Super Kirby X (talk • contribs) 1:00 29, September 24
  7. Mario is my childhood. I also have never heard of magicant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.90.137.2 (talk • contribs) 14:26, October 30, 2019
  8. Couldn't care less about the other one. --User:lucina-is-better-than-marth
  9. I like melee better, so Mushroom Kingdom 2 for me. 80.155.164.74 04:50, September 24, 2019 (EDT)
  10. I don't like this stage that much but I REALLY don't like Magicant so this one gets my vote. -Chiruria! 12:52, February 21, 2020 (EST)

Votes for Magicant[edit]

  1. Better music, better environment, and a better stage to fight on, honestly. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 11:58, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
  2. 23.17.208.28 00:59, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
  3. Magicant is beautiful and way better looking --Myth Myth Kirby.png 13:53, 24 June 2018 (EDT)
  4. I hate Magicant because whoever gets the Flying Man is pretty much guaranteed a win unless they SD several times. However I'm giving it a vote out of Pity, because I like Earthbound, and because I absolutely despise Mushroom Kingdom II. 72.133.91.93 09:32, 6 June 2018 (EDT)YoshisaurusThe9th
  5. The heck is wrong with y'all. MK2 is beat out in pretty much every department by Magicant. RagnarokSignature.png Ragnarok320, The Toa of Fire (talk) 18:48, 5 July 2018 (EDT)
  6. Magicant looks great, and will likely look even better in Ultimate. MKII is fine, but not nearly as good or interesting as Magicant. Kirbitzein (talk) 01:41, 8 July 2018 (EDT)
  7. Flying Man is more helpful when it comes to KOing opponents than Birdo's eggs. Warriorking98 22:26, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
  8. I like this stage a lot. --142.229.115.125 16:41, 23 July 2018 (EDT)
  9. I've never been a huge fan of retro stages. However, I am a huge fan of taking old, retro settings from games and remaking them in higher quality, and Magicant is a perfect candidate for this. It is aesthetically unique compared to almost every stage in smash with it's heavy amount of pink, and I love all of the Earthbound references. I like most of the hazards on this stage, but I understand that the flying men can be quite annoying. I can't wait to play on this stage in Ultimate, it's already looking stunning. Mudmag (talk)
  10. It is so beautiful, this has good music and it is so enjoyable, and this is very rememorable to me, but the most fun part of this stage is the Flying Men. Andreepika11233 (talk) 19:32, 9 August 2018 (EDT)
  11. A second, in my opinion poor attempt at constructing a good Mushroom Kingdom stage vs a beautiful, nostalgic stage from an equally great game. Magicant's an easy choice for me. SugarCookie420 (talk) 08:43, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
  12. Honestly, I haven't played on the SMB2 stage before. However, I HAVE played on this stage multiple times and I love the brightly colored, wacky style of it and the nice calm music that plays. Plus, the Flying Men sprites are cool! Crazy456Rhino (talk) 12:13, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
  13. I've never actually played on Mushroom Kingdom II, but Magicant is a much better looking stage, I like its series much more, and the music is phenomenal. John John3637881 Signature.png HUAH! 12:54, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
  14. Magicant wins for me hands down due to all the awesome references on this stage. Seeing the Dungeon Man and other parts of Mother 1+2 recreated in 3d is a real treat. RisingFalcon (talk) 19:26, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
  15. Prettier and chock full of cool references. TheDavsto (talk) 10:13, 11 September 2018 (EDT)
  16. Since I played for 3ds way more, I definitely would prefer this beautiful stage. Super A (talk) 19:37, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
  17. It has a better layout, great music, and gorgeous visuals (especially in Ultimate). The Flying Men may be annoying and I love the retro aesthetic of MK2 and similar stages, but Magicant's creative design makes it more memorable to me. Aqua Shield (talk) AquaShield.png 22:43, 2 October 2018 (EDT)
  18. Gorgeous map. Nice design. Will be even better in Ultimate with the option to take out the flying man. :P OctopusSandwich 20:24, 14 October 2018 (EDT)
  19. --180.249.127.254 04:36, 4 November 2018 (EST)
  20. KoreanPJs (talk) 03:10, 7 November 2018 (EST)
  21. RPGs > Platformers. --113.212.233.12 06:18, 10 November 2018 (EST)
  22. I only have Smash for 3ds and will be getting ultimate, and I know flying man ruins the stage, but with stage hazards off, this'll be a great stage. MimoMQ (talk) 19:43, 25 November 2018 (EST)
  23. As a massive fan of the Mother series, this is a absolutely beautiful stage. Any mario stage (except for Ney Donk City Hall) is just to tell you how great the mario games are. (Fourside will always be the best mother stage). MasterDuelist_24 (talk) 10:39, 31 January 2019 (EST)
  24. The Flying Man ruins the stage but with stage hazards off its no biggie. Mushroom Kingdom II is too small to fight on. Tyler730 (talk) 13:05, 2 February 2019 (EST)
  25. One of my favorites. --24.146.71.225 18:22, 4 February 2019 (EST)
  26. it looks so cool man.Iamthedude (talk) 21:55, 24 February 2019 (EST)
  27. Magicant has godlike music and looks incredible. Makes me want an Earthbound Beginnings remake. --Plague von Karma (talk) 01:32, April 9, 2019 (EDT)
  28. Wow i never actually voted for this, anyway if this was exclusivly for the 3ds version of Magicant, then i'd say the other stage is better, but Magicant for ultimate looks so good to me it is almost no contest. Plus it isnt a walk-off Xtraneed it to be a shorter file nameTalk Edits 10:39, April 24, 2019 (EDT)
  29. I like the stage in its entirety, and Mario stages are boring. Plus, Magicant is very cute. I like the pink. 75.86.147.26 07:15, May 26, 2019 (EDT)
  30. I think this stage looks cooler than the other. That's pretty much all. JRJ007 (talk) 19:39, June 2, 2019 (EDT)
  31. The stage is cute. Plus, the Flying Man is great. LucasRules (talk) 17:34, June 5, 2019 (EDT)
  32. This one's far more creative than MK2, and the Flying Men aren't too annoying when you learn how they function. --MeatBall104 MB104Pic2.jpg 09:45, June 6, 2019 (EDT)
  33. Surprised this is still going on. I love both stages but I'm giving my vote to Magicant. Overall better looking stage and Ultimate's hazerdless option make it better to have a serious fight on in my (as I call it since I never played in real tournaments) pseudo tournaments, and generally I want to support the EarthBound franchise. SupaToad64 MK64ToadCSP.jpg 02:09, June 10, 2019 (EDT)
  34. Two words: Walk-offs. Maybe that's one word. Whatever's the case, stages where you can walk into the blast zone are a bane for competitive and casual players alike, whether you're getting back-throwed into oblivion, or a combo brings you a little bit to far to the left while, frustratingly, you were close to 0%. Mogo (talk) 08:02, 6/10/2019 (EST)
  35. FLYING MAN!!!!DarkNight (talk) 11:06, June 15, 2019 (EDT)
  36. It looks like pink cotton candy!!!!71.9.47.77 11:30, June 15, 2019 (EDT)
  37. Let's just say this stage really appeals to me personally. --73.220.19.65 16:45, June 19, 2019 (EDT)
  38. It doesn't have a walk-off section. Better for gameplay imo. 156.57.171.73 15:06, August 20, 2019 (EDT)RSdabeast
  39. Great music, great callbacks to MOTHER 1, and just a great stage in general. It was a bit better in Smash 4 because the memories looked cooler and flying man was stronger, but Ultimate made it bigger so it's fine. Magicant best stage.12.148.188.195 19:31, October 2, 2019 (EDT)
  40. Music is better, has nice throwbacks to an amazing RPG. Except Flying Man. Flying Man can die. LegendEH Is Very Handsome~ 11:22, November 22, 2019 (EST)
  41. I hate walk offs. they make me sad. CMWAidanx? Yikes. (talk) 16:42, December 2, 2019 (EST) 16:41 EST, 12/2/2019
  42. As of the visual update in Ultimate, I am now much more fond of this stage. It's also more fun to play on now, especially because you can spike opponents through the clouds. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 10:10, December 22, 2019 (EST)
  43. Magicant is just better to fight on in my opinion. Flying Man is pretty annoying, but the reason I'm giving a full vote because it has better music, and platforms, just listening to Unfounded Revenge/Smashing song of praise while fighting as Ness/Lucas on Magicant is enough to make me feel better. Weegeegaming|talk 04:31, April 11, 2020 (EDT)

Half votes[edit]

  1. This stage is more fun in my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.204.16.209 (talk • contribs) 15:45, 11 September 2018 (EDT)
  2. I prefer the music and the stage layout over Mushroom Kingdom II. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Epic Meme God (talk • contribs) 20:27, 5 February 2019 (EST)
  3. Mushroom Kingdom 2 is not in the Mushroom Kingdom, it's in Supcon!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by LinkBoy (talk • contribs) 18:08, 8 March 2019 (EST)
  4. I am a massive fan of the Mother series, and plus this stage is beautiful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xay1494 (talk • contribs) 20:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
  5. Magicant also references Earthbound Zero. Its a fun stage with the Flyingmen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FlaminKirb (talk • contribs) 12:56, April 12, 2019
  6. Magicant hazards off is pretty nice for casual doubles/free for all’s not gonna lie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThiccMan (talk • contribs) 08:27, 2019 April 13
  7. I love this stage a lot! If I am not feeling like a serious 1v1, I might do a slightly more casual free-for-all on this stage. 18:33 September 24, 2019 (EST) Kalifguest22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalifguest22 (talk • contribs) 18:33 September 24, 2019 (EDT)
  8. FLYING BIRD MAN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.5.117.14 (talk • contribs) 19:22, December 11, 2019
  9. Just better —Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.249.24 (talk • contribs) 16:32, December 12, 2019
  10. As a casual smash player, this is a great stage for camping and a lot of people struggle with the bottom area.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.205.117.140 (talk • contribs) 19:24, March 19, 2020

Comments[edit]

The reason I love Mushroom Kingdom II is because of the music from Super Mario Bros 2. First, you have the overworld theme during a match and when time is running out and in Sudden Death, it changes to the boss battle theme! Great stage! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 17:19, 2 June 2018 (EDT)

Actually, Suzaku Castle in Smash 4 will do the same thing, although it has to be a specific track of music.72.133.91.93 08:09, 7 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Someone keeps deleting my vote! I keep voting the same thing on Magicant, but every time I come back to the page to look at new votes, my vote is gone! I'm not sockpuppeting, so why do my votes keep being taken off? 72.133.91.93 12:00, 8 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Apparently someone with the same IP address has already voted. That's probably why it didn't count.SugarCookie420 (talk) 08:40, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
Amazing stage picks for this Smash Arena

How is this still going RetroPikaPikachuHeadSSB.png 04:58, 8 January 2019 (EST)

The wiki status is still Red, so not much attention is placed onto this. SugarCookie 420 14:54, 4 March 2019 (EST)
Still, these are supposed to be weekly, and it's been about 10 months. We should probably end this round at some point. Everone123 Everone123 Sig.png (u / t / c) 21:50, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
We are in a red Wiki status which means we must focus more on main articles than the SA. We can get new rounds once the status lowers to at least a yellow. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 21:58, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
We are now in the yellow status. It's still high, but we should probably have a new arena by the end of April. X-Biaur19 (talk) 10:10, April 25, 2019 (EDT)X-Biaur19
We may be in yellow, but we are still in a very heavy yellow, which is honestly almost red, due to jokers reveal. It may seem like its unnecessary to have to wait this long but i dont think we should try to rush the admins right now. Xtraneed it to be a shorter file nameTalk Edits 12:29, April 25, 2019 (EDT)
That's fair.X-Biaur19 (talk) 10:07, April 29, 2019 (EDT)X-Biaur19

Hasn't this match been going for more than a year now?DarkNight (talk) 20:55, June 16, 2019 (EDT)

I think both stages are about equal in functionality when weighing strengths and weaknesses, but Magicant wins out for me not only because it's absolutely breathtaking, especially in Ultimate, but because of the rampant references to Mother 1 and 2. As anyone who has followed my edits knows (which I expect to be a grand total of zero), origins really really matter to me, so to see a stage crafted with such love for the source material just amazes me. Mushroom Kingdom II is no slouch either, but I'd argue it's slightly worse since almost all of its assets are just straight-up taken from All-Stars while Magicant uses mostly original models and animations. Sure it also takes things directly from both of the Mother games it appears in, but uses them sparingly and mostly just for a few cool call-backs in the background. I think it says a lot when I've never been a huge Mother fan and yet the love for the series put into this stage blows me away. 73.220.19.65 16:45, June 19, 2019 (EDT)

...This is going to end soon right? Supa Toad 64 MK64ToadCSP.jpg 02:17, June 22, 2019 (EDT)

OK I think this one has had its run and we should stop it now. We may be in red but my god this just dragged on and on and on and on... Coconut2IsabelleHeadSSBU.png 10:08, June 25, 2019

If smash arena is supposed to have a new match weekly, this is exatly 1 year, 3 weeks, and 1 day overdue. Supa Toad 64 MK64ToadCSP.jpg 20:35, July 1, 2019 (EDT)

OK END THIS ALREADY THIS IS ALREADY TOO MUCH TIME OR HELL EVEN CANCEL SMASH ARENA ENTIRELY, I DON'T CARE, JUST END IT. Coconut2IsabelleHeadSSBU.png 21:21, July 17, 2019

First, calm down, it's not like this will go on for another millennium again. Second I will contact the admin team regarding when this will end. Supa Toad 64 MK64ToadCSP.jpg 05:43, July 19, 2019 (EDT)

When will we get a new Smash Arena? 174.55.24.64 17:52, September 4, 2019 (EDT)

Just gonna put it here, do not comment on when we are getting another Smash Arena. The admins will get to it when they get to it, and asking again and again will get you nowhere. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 18:39, September 22, 2019 (EDT)

Ok, so when’s the new Smash Arena coming? Genuine confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TCBlitz (talk • contribs) 22:13, November 12, 2019

Read what I said above. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 19:11, December 9, 2019 (EST)

Uhhh... how long has this been on? I just made my account in March and, judging by your comments, it's been like, two years. Weegeegaming|talk 04:37, April 11, 2020 (EDT)

Smash Arena is not a priority as of right now. The admins will make a new one eventually, not yet just. 001Toad.jpg OmegαToαd the Toαd Wαrrior (BUP) 04:40, April 11, 2020 (EDT)
If you want, you can join our Discord. We have an active Smash Arena there. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 17:49, April 13, 2020 (EDT)

Huh, I guess that's the end of Smash Arena. I stopped following it a few years back. RIP. --Meester Tweester (talk) 00:15, April 16, 2020 (EDT)

Smash Arena is on Discord now, the SA tab links to its page. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 23:21, April 23, 2020 (EDT)

Round 256: Sheik vs. Greninja[edit]

Sheik SSB4.png
 Winner!!
Greninja
Greninja SSB4.png

11 to 12
Greninja SSB4.png
Simple fight - ninja vs ninja, disguised vs. deceitful, blue vs. blue, needle vs. shuriken. Have at 'em.

Votes for Sheik[edit]

  1. Hmm some weird frog thing or a ninja of royalty? Serpent SKSig.png King 00:44, 16 December 2017 (EST)
  2. Yeah Sheik is 10x more fun to play at high level, and way more interesting to watch than Greninja most of the time. --Penro 08:41, 19 December 2017 (EST)
  3. Fun fact: when I was in primary school, I once wore a similar disguise and was known as Sheik for that day. RickTommy 22:27, 11 January 2018 (EST)
  4. Sheik has a grenade, martial arts training, needles, and exploding walnuts. Greninja has a long-ass tongue, a log, and a crappy doll. Who would you choose? Iron Reggie, Master of Memes (talk) 02:04, 28 January 2018 (EST)
  5. I like both of them but I like Sheik more cuz top tier SmileFtw123 (talk) 03:05, 30 January 2018 (EST)
  6. I think I prefer Sheik a little bit more, so I guess I'll place my vote here.--192.197.128.21 13:16, 2 February 2018 (EST)
  7. I prefer Sheik's aesthetic design, and Greninja isn't a very good starter in my opinion. Neither is great to me, but I prefer Sheik. --UnbeatableSith (talk) 21:41, 16 March 2018 (EDT)
  8. 174.53.1.71 10:57, 5 February 2018 (EST)
  9. She has a chain. Pokebub (talk) 22:43, 16 March 2018 (EDT)
  10. I can't stand fighting against Greninja, and Sheik was one of my mains in Brawl. Also, I feel like she has a higher chance of making it into Smash 5. TheNuttyOne 15:58, 11 April 2018 (EDT)

Half Votes[edit]

  1. Shiek is better —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.234.62.218 (talk • contribs) 23:22, 11 December 2017 (EST)
  2. very good at aerial combos# —Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.222.194.39 (talk • contribs) 03:46, 9 January 2018

Votes for Greninja[edit]

  1. I find Sheik's playstyle in SSB4 to be quite aggravating to play as or against. Greninja's not so frustrating. Miles (talk) 01:32, 11 December 2017 (EST)
  2. Us Pokémon gotta stick together I guess. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 04:54, 11 December 2017 (EST)
  3. I like Pokémon more, Greninja has appeared in more than just one canon game (discounting remakes), and its playstyle in Smash is far more interesting to watch. 034.png DracoRex, Creator of the Land 07:45, 11 December 2017 (EST)
  4. Greninja is a great Pokémon and he did appear in Sun and Moon as a present. Greninja's playstyle in Smash 4 is... awesome! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 09:33, 13 December 2017 (EST)
  5. R.I.P Sheik after Melee. The Smash 4 Sheik combo game is nothing like its predecessor. also I love the hydro pump jank lasagna B) (talk) 10:27, 13 December 2017 (EST)
  6. In Smash 5 Greninja's Final Smash should be Ash-Greninja. 24.52.19.237 19:50, 15 December 2017 (EST)
  7. Better nerf Greninja ChuckNorris24.png  23:10, 15 December 2017 (EST)
  8. iStudying. Nuff said. Aidan, the Festive Rurouni 20:52, 18 December 2017 (EST)
  9. --23.17.208.28 01:46, 24 January 2018 (EST)
  10. Greninja is just the character I think is cooler (although ANY ninja gets cool points). I do hope they change his final smash, however, if he's gonna be in Smash 5 Crazy456Rhino (talk) 12:02, 9 March 2018 (EST)
  11. I love Greninja so much. He's the best of my four mains, and I hope he's in Smash 5! Capnap64 (talk) 09:33, 4 April 2018 (EDT)
  12. Greninja is fun. Sheik is not. Sheik is aggravating, both to play as and against. Greninja is not. Greninja is a hecking awesome ninja that can literally make shurikens out of water! Sheik just throws needles at people and plays a harp. Enough said. 72.133.91.93 08:05, 10 May 2018 (EDT) Blueflame105

Comments[edit]

Shouldn't this match have been decided, like, several weeks ago? Iron Reggie, Master of Memes 10:31, 26 February 2018 (EST)

This js still going? Currently Sheik 11, Greninja 12. User:SmileFtw123 User talk:SmileFtw123 Smileftw the tier list dose not matter im a dedede and jiggly main

Seriously, this should have happened months ago! Who's in charge of Smash Arena anyway? Blueflame105

Ay, they did change his final smash for Smash 5. Nice. Crazy456Rhino (talk) 15:18, November 5, 2019 (EST)

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