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Round 146: Mites vs. Pikmin

		Winner!! Pikmin 11 to 22
Miniature minions whose main ability is expendability. Which disposable division of various hues will overwhelm the other?
Votes for Mites The Cheese says: I just like them better. The Cheese 11:22, 14 July 2012 (EDT) More of them. And they're two-dimensional. DarkFox01: Smashing in Summer 11:31, 14 July 2012 (EDT) How epic. ShupaRoeh 12:29, 14 July 2012 (EDT) These guys are a LOT harder than they look.174.30.216.29 12:46, 14 July 2012 (EDT) I hate Olimar.94.234.170.12 13:08, 14 July 2012 (EDT) Olimar is the worst character besides Jigglypuff.Shanicpower Make it rain! 13:23, 14 July 2012 (EDT) --Bandit 15:23, 15 July 2012 (EDT) They have a larger amount of their species than pikmins. The Awesome 13:07, 16 July 2012 (EDT) I quote Ai No Uta. 'Once again today we will fight, multiply, and GET EATEN.' Wow. Just wow. They are happy being eaten!? Plus, I absolutely HATE Olimar. Davsto (talk) 12:34, 18 July 2012 (EDT) What would you prefer to be, lunch or 2-D? You got PWN'D by Link that guy in the tunic 16:41, 19 July 2012 (EDT) Pikmin can't do anything by themselves.DarkVexon (talk) 15:06, 20 July 2012 (EDT)			Votes for Pikmin Because Pikmin. --- ReiDemon, Author Extraordinaire, 11:39, 14 July 2012 (EDT) Dots You can call me Pollyanna 12:19, 14 July 2012 (EDT) They turn into ghosts when they die. 123JamesHeart 12:46, 14 July 2012 (EDT) They are cute, fierce, and are always loyal to Olimar. Shanderu 14:05, 14 July 2012 (EDT) Just to even things out a bit more. 204.191.141.133 14:34, 14 July 2012 (EDT) THE RAINBOW OF BRAWL: PIKMIN LightningBlue 19:06, 14 July 2012 (EDT) Not as irritating Krazy4Krash (talk) 21:30, 14 July 2012 (EDT) They come with a character. Naked Snake 22:36, 14 July 2012 (EDT) I absolutely love the Pikmin series and have fun playing as Olimar. Mites on the other hand are just plain annoying and basic. 110.174.90.69 23:39, 14 July 2012 (EDT) Mites exceed in doing pretty much nothing at all. Captain Falcon talk 02:47, 15 July 2012 (EDT) "引っこ拔かれて， あなただけについて行く 今日も運ぶ， 戰う， 增える， そして食べられる" -Ai No Uta AirConditioner 08:58, 15 July 2012 (EDT) I have never seen 100 mites on any screen at the same time. I have with pikmin. In Brawl, you need about twenty mites to be significant. You only need 1 pikmin.ScoreCounter (talk) 14:10, 15 July 2012 (EDT) They're playable. 24.168.107.113 09:40, 16 July 2012 (EDT) Olimar is the best character in Brawl besides Meta Knight. Toast ltimatum 12:17, 16 July 2012 (EDT) Though I personally disagree with Toast because everyone's good at different characters, Olimar and his Pikmin are pretty high up there.71.55.131.253 15:22, 16 July 2012 (EDT)BK I really think the pikmin flourish when in battle, and that's why they get my vote. Sonicsidekick95 19:25, 16 July 2012 (EDT) Pikmin all the way. 67.173.145.76 21:54, 17 July 2012 (EDT) Pikmin do more damage. --Baboomba! talk 17:20, 18 July 2012 (EDT) A bigger variety that will become even bigger in Pikmin 3. Toadat9021doh (talk) 21:06, 19 July 2012 (EDT) The Pikmin are much cooler, have interesting elemental effects, and are not nearly as annoying as the Mites, whose sheer numbers (especially with the help of Subspace Generators) can make parts of the Subspace Emissary a bit frustrating to get through. Not to mention that they help Captain Olimar a whole lot during fighting/combat situations and adventuring. Fenyx4 (talk) 22:07, 19 July 2012 (EDT) Mites are annoying, but Pikmin aren't.--71.118.245.82 14:49, 20 July 2012 (EDT) Half-votes Mites are SO 2-dimensional (GET IT??) Plus, they don't have a series named after them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SSB Brawler (talk • contribs) 10:38, 15 July 2012 Pikmins are cool!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:67.68.40.58 (talk • contribs) 16:49, 20 July 2012
Comments Y U Guys hate Olimar? LightningBlue 19:07, 14 July 2012 (EDT) I'm not really allowed to be critical towards one particular vote, but "Olimar is the worst character besides Jigglypuff" is just plain wrong. Shanicpower, you should get Wi-Fi so I can wreck you with my main, that being Olimar. Toast ltimatum 19:18, 14 July 2012 (EDT) OK Let's cut to the chase. ShupaRoeh 20:04, 14 July 2012 (EDT) I don't like to use Olimar, but there's a difference between not liking a character and thinking a character is terrible. Naked Snake 22:36, 14 July 2012 (EDT) Toast, I'm really, really sorry if I offended you and seeing what you have achieved I believe you are pretty skilled with Olimar. Yes, I would probably be punished if I faced you online. It's just... I'm not good at all with Olimar. I get pawned by level 2 CPU's when I'm using him. As I said, I'm very sorry if I offended you. Shanicpower Make it rain! 03:16, 15 July 2012 (EDT) Its ok, we understand you. Some people like Olimar and some people dislike Olimar. Its ok to have that opinion. But I will have to disagree that Olimar sucks though because he is 2nd on the tier list. But like I said, some people are anti tiers. :P Dots The Hammer (bro) 17:21, 15 July 2012 (EDT) Because tiers are for que *shot*. But seriously, you have underestimated Olimar's power. F1reBurn1ng (talk) 02:02, 16 July 2012 (EDT) AirConditioner, do you really know Japanese??? The Awesome 13:33, 18 July 2012 (EDT) Hell no. I just copied and pasted a random line from the song. :) AirConditioner 19:24, 18 July 2012 (EDT)

Round 147: Break the Targets vs. Board the Platforms

		Winner!! Break the Targets 18 to 13
The two original bonus rounds that test characters' mobility and accuracy. Is attacking or jumping the more favoured pastime?
Votes for Break the Targets Tries to jump on platform. D'oh I missed! You don't d'oh miss as much here. ShupaRoeh 11:23, 21 July 2012 (EDT) The targets don't move at a ridiculous speed like the platforms do. Toadat9021doh (talk) 12:01, 21 July 2012 (EDT) 目標を破る ! Smash Master 12:14, 21 July 2012 (EDT) Tough choice, but I choose Break the Targets becuase it's lasted. DarkFox01: Smashing in Summer 12:33, 21 July 2012 (EDT) Board the Platforms is boring. --- ReiDemon, Author Extraordinaire, 14:07, 21 July 2012 (EDT) I haven't played the original, at least not enough to remember "Board the Platforms." JamesHeartless 23:55, 21 July 2012 (EDT) I think the fact that this has lasted through the series shows its superiority. Krazy4Krash (talk) 06:31, 22 July 2012 (EDT) I wish they would bring back character specific bonus games. This is a hard call but I'm going with Break The Targets. ChuckNorris 13:36, 22 July 2012 (EDT) Target test seems to test the character attributes more. Mr. Anontalk 18:53, 22 July 2012 (EDT) Young Link's target test. Pure genius. LightningBlue 21:50, 22 July 2012 (EDT) Just more interesting IMO. Naked Snake 02:10, 23 July 2012 (EDT) I like the creativity of many of the Break the Targets stages. However, having five difficulty levels in Brawl would have been creative if not for the fact that everyone is stuck with the same five stages. And I hope that Board the Platforms returns in SSB4. RickTommy (talk) 02:23, 23 July 2012 (EDT) Personally, I prefer Break the Targets because I believe that it provides a better challenge. FishPlay (talk) 22:54, 26 July 2012 (EDT) Break The Targets/Target Test just seems more...complete-able. Board The Platforms is fun, although certain Platforms can get really irritating to get to, like the last really far one on Jigglypuff's Targest Test stage in Super Smash Bros. 64. Also, completions of Break The Targets tend to be a bit cooler, since you have a myriad of options of how to destroy each target, and numerous strategies can result in fast WTF-completion time records. Exhibit A. Exhibit B. With the platforms, you're usually limited to whatever few jumps your character possesses. Finally, "Break The Targets" has had the most longevity in the series, having been featured in every single Smash Bros. game to date. Nevertheless, I hope both modes return in SSB4. Last but not least, Pause Abuse, anyone? Fenyx4 (talk) 22:21, 24 July 2012 (EDT) Ooh, this is hard. Although this may be biased, as I haven't played BTD, I find that it only requires movement skill, whereas this requires attacking skill, even if there is a little less movement skill. Davsto (talk) 11:33, 25 July 2012 (EDT) This was difficult, but I found I enjoyed breaking targets more than boarding platforms despite the latter being short-lived. It's not as tedious. Blue Ninjakoopa(Talk) 17:45, 25 July 2012 (EDT) I hate the other one, wish they just board it up. So much "ARGH I MISSED" moment and then plat ! Turning me into some weird goop form and then I precede to rage, and dive off the stage. 208.54.38.179 23:44, 26 July 2012 (EDT) Half-votes The Targets has stood out more than Board the Platforms. Plus, it takes less time and more risks for taking the targets out than the platforms.-Kaizer24.185.135.102 21:56, 21 July 2012 (EDT) Never played SSB, so while I may be the target of hate from people who voted for the other side... Hate to break it to you, Board-the-Platform likers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Air Conditioner (talk • contribs) 8:46, 22 July 2012			Votes for Board the Platforms I like it when the lights turn bright blue after you land on them :p--Bandit 12:30, 21 July 2012 (EDT) I want to see this come back in the next game. 66.222.169.214 13:08, 21 July 2012 (EDT) --Havoc48 >:D!!! 13:11, 21 July 2012 (EDT) The Cheese says: I wish they would bring this back... The Cheese 14:35, 21 July 2012 (EDT) Bleh. I like both of them, so BTP gets my vote because it has less of them. 24.168.107.113 20:30, 21 July 2012 (EDT) I like to board the platforms!!! The Awesome 23:02, 21 July 2012 (EDT) Tough choice, but ultimately I choose Board the Platforms since I miss it being in the other games. 110.174.90.69 01:47, 22 July 2012 (EDT) I'm not board by either of these, but what Bandit said sums everything up. Toast ltimatum 08:05, 22 July 2012 (EDT) Board the platforms has more platforms. R.O.BitySonic (talk) 12:03, 22 July 2012 (EDT) I missed this minigame. :( Dots The Hammer (bro) 13:25, 22 July 2012 (EDT) Such fun memories of this mini-game. =] 67.173.145.76 13:00, 25 July 2012 (EDT) An underrated minigame, should have been used more often.ScoreCounter (talk) 07:06, 26 July 2012 (EDT) Half-votes The Board the Platforms is one of my favorite mini-games of SSB 64. Because it a challenge to get all of the platforms. Please bring the mini-game back in SSB4. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smash x 5432 (talk • contribs) 22:20, 24 July 2012 Board the Platforms is better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:98.14.47.136 (talk • contribs)
Comments To AC:You already broke it for us. ShupaRoeh 12:50, 22 July 2012 (EDT) In reference to ShupaRoeh's vote: Not funny. RickTommy (talk) 02:23, 23 July 2012 (EDT) You're just making me feel like SmashPeter. Not funny. ShupaRoeh 09:59, 23 July 2012 (EDT) Well, ShupaRoeh's comment does have truth to it. Those "D'oh; I missed" Platform-missing moments can get irritating as heck - more so than missing Targets. XD Fenyx4 (talk) 22:21, 24 July 2012 (EDT) Was this a suggestion??? The Awesome 12:24, 24 July 2012 (EDT) Yes it was. 66.222.169.214 12:30, 24 July 2012 (EDT) Nice puns, ShupaRoeh and AirConditioning. Also, methinks that Race to the Finish could have used some love here (in a three-way match). Fenyx4 (talk) 22:21, 24 July 2012 (EDT) Thanks for ignoring that stickler RickTommy. What about ToastUltimatum's pun? ShupaRoeh 23:26, 24 July 2012 (EDT) Hey can anyone help? My comment (last one on the break the targets side) is off a bit. Can anyone help? 208.54.38.179 23:49, 26 July 2012 (EDT) Accidental tap of the "Enter" key, I guess. JamesHeartless 23:53, 26 July 2012 (EDT)

Round 148: Torchic vs. Piplup

		Winner!! Piplup 14 to 22
A bout between two common Pokéball Pokémon: both birds that cover their immediate area in trapping hitboxes, but controlling vastly different elements. Which peeper prevails?
Votes for Torchic Even though there's the type disadvantage and all, purely talking about their SSBB abilities I prefer Torchic since it actually attacks pretty much instantly after being released from the Poke Ball, unlike Piplup. 110.174.90.69 00:06, 28 July 2012 (EDT) I don't play with Pokeballs on, but to me a fire attack makes more sense that a water one. Naked Snake 00:31, 28 July 2012 (EDT) The Cheese says: Fire RUELS! The Cheese 00:34, 28 July 2012 (EDT) So tough to decide! I'm probably going to go with Torchic, though. I always mimic its voice when released. Too cute. Krazy4Krash (talk) 00:40, 28 July 2012 (EDT) Blaziken was awesome back when the Fire/Fighting starter WASN'T completely overused. 24.168.107.113 10:46, 28 July 2012 (EDT) I like fire better--Bandit 11:51, 28 July 2012 (EDT) While I would normally support the water type, I do like the look of Torchic more. Plus I've never played past generation III. JamesHeartless 13:14, 28 July 2012 (EDT) Does more damage and knockback.--71.160.242.60 19:36, 28 July 2012 (EDT) I have a history with Torchics. I first got one as my starter in Emerald and nicknamed it Fireballs. After beating the game with it, I wanted to play through Emerald again with all three starters, so I got Fireballs to produce two children, one called FireballJr, the other without a name. One was then used on Emerald, while the other was used on a friend's playthrough of FireRed. At a later date, both Fireballs and FireballJr were migrated to Black, where FireballJr then had a son of its own after falling in love with a nice Leafeon, called FireballIV, also making Fireballs a Grandfather, and Ditto a Grandmother. Unnamed Torchic is yet to find itself a partner, but maybe one day, the family will expand even further. Toast ltimatum 20:02, 28 July 2012 (EDT) This is the starter that I used for my favorite Pokemon game, Emerald. Stranger 1260 09:55, 29 July 2012 (EDT) Torchic actually does damage,Piplup doesn't.--DarkVexon (talk) 20:22, 29 July 2012 (EDT) Piplup is easy to avoid, and Torchic is better to knock into. I have had both Pokemon in their games, but, not suprisingly, I've Torchic longer and Blaziken is great. Floor2000x (talk) 18:22, 30 July 2012 (EDT) Torchic's cuter, and has a much better evolution. The White Blur , the Whitest Thing Alive. Torchic does way more damage and has a good chance of KOing opponents. It also stays in one spot, and you can push opponents to it, unlike Piplup, where you can just jump over it easily.-Kaizer24.185.135.102 23:13, 2 August 2012 (EDT)			Votes for Piplup Can PWN Torchic easily. ShupaRoeh 23:59, 27 July 2012 (EDT) Well despite the type advantage, I prefer Piplup because every time it gets called out it just shoves me off the stage. While with Torchic I can escape and continue fighting against my enemy's. Headmaster Hand (talk) 00:17, 28 July 2012 (EDT) I just like the idea of Piplup killing itself;) FishPlay (talk) 02:05, 28 July 2012 (EDT) Another tough one. Piplup's evolution line is better. Don't get me wrong Blaziken is one of my favorite fighting types, but Empoleon is [literally] much cooler. His typing is unique and he has an imperial look, which earns it points. Therefore, Piplup has my vote. Blue Ninjakoopa(Talk) 04:29, 28 July 2012 (EDT) Piplup can easily knock out characters once they get trapped!!! The Awesome 10:39, 28 July 2012 (EDT) Piplup can drag you to your doom! 204.191.139.10 10:41, 28 July 2012 (EDT) Many reasons: Its actually pretty easy to avoid Torchic's attack, Piplup can actually do a suicide KO even if the opponents damage % is low. And even though Blaziken would be better than Empoleon, Penguins are my favorite animal. And lastly, Water does super effect Fire. Dots The PSI Asian 11:48, 28 July 2012 (EDT) It doesn't work half of the time, but when it does... --- ReiDemon, Author Extraordinaire, 15:04, 28 July 2012 (EDT) Just look at my signature and tell me what my favorite starter is. :| Air Conditioner 17:00, 28 July 2012 (EDT) I like his water attack. R.O.BitySonic (talk) 18:28, 28 July 2012 (EDT) Looks like a penguin. That is all.94.15.11.116 07:06, 29 July 2012 (EDT) I would say two points. One, it is generally more useful. True, it's inaccurate due to a slow start up, but if it hits is does a little damage and uncommonly KOs on regular stages and almost always does so on walk-off-blast-line stages. Two, it's a penguin, and a cute penguin at that. True, in the Pokémon series Blaziken is more useful than Empoleon, but Piplup trumps Torchic in both Pokémon AND Brawl. Davsto (talk) 13:15, 29 July 2012 (EDT) I love watching Piplup surf back and forth in a walled-in area. Toadat9021doh (talk) 14:03, 29 July 2012 (EDT) Puplup is more useful than Torchic, 'cause it drags the opponents to their doom. Smash Master 14:18, 29 July 2012 (EDT) Type advantage. Type advantage. LightningBlue 15:53, 29 July 2012 (EDT) Per LightningBlue and his new sig. DarkFox01: Smashing in Summer 16:01, 29 July 2012 (EDT) I LOVE PENGUINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are cute and fluffy and Piplup is no exception. Oh, and Piplup can talk too. ChuckNorris 12:09, 31 July 2012 (EDT) I would say exactly the same thing as AirConditioner if I had an Empoleon sig.--Shanicpower Make it rain! 12:43, 31 July 2012 (EDT)Piplup's my favorite too... Water > Fire. 67.173.145.76 20:16, 1 August 2012 (EDT) My first pokemon game was Diamond. My mom started it, chose Piplup and gave it a stupid nickname. DragonMistress (talk) 14:31, 2 August 2012 (EDT)DragonMistress 20:30, 2 August 1012 64.130.180.158 15:55, 2 August 2012 (EDT) Water beats fire. Cherrim98Talk 23:07, 3 August 2012 (EDT) Thats right im back!
Comments ShupaRoeh you didn't put the # next to your comment. Headmaster Hand (talk) 00:19, 28 July 2012 (EDT) I would fix it, but something else did. ShupaRoeh 10:23, 29 July 2012 (EDT) Oh my gosh!!!!! Toast didn't make a pun! There was plenty of ideals, and he didn't use any. Wow. Davsto (talk) 13:10, 29 July 2012 (EDT) Stop posting comments that attract your attention. ShupaRoeh 13:13, 29 July 2012 (EDT)

Round 149: Tabuu vs. Meta Knight

		Winner!! Meta Knight 14 to 18.5
A supposedly-overpowered boss against a supposedly-overpowered top tier. Which exceedingly annoying supremist reigns supreme?
Votes for Tabuu I see his face less often. 204.191.133.90 00:16, 4 August 2012 (EDT) Somewhat of a pity vote, I just like the concept of Tabuu. Killing him with a sweet-spotted Knee Smash is the best feeling in the world. Krazy4Krash (talk) 05:03, 4 August 2012 (EDT) Because. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 14:46, 4 August 2012 (EDT) Meta Knight puts up a better fight, but my goldfish named Tabuu lasted more than double the lifespan of my other two goldfish. Toast ltimatum 16:54, 4 August 2012 (EDT) Aight this is why Tabuu wins...1. Tabuu has an OHKO unlike Meta Knight unless... 2. You consider Galaxia Darkness is an OHKO thus Tabuu still wins because Off Waves hits EVERYWHERE!!! Not just a little space infront (and back) of him 3. Better Teleport 4. MOAR BLUEE 5. Can turn giant 6. Rules an army larger then anything you can do back at Fire Emblem 7. Final Boss 8. Kick my favorite Smash characters a$S (Master Hand) 9. Two good for a tier list 10. If he was playable he could own everybody in the roster of Brawl & Melee (including Bosses). So yah....Take that. Headmaster Hand (talk) 17:05, 4 August 2012 (EDT) I had a hard time deciding. I don't know... I just like Tabuu better, I guess. Air Conditioner 17:45, 4 August 2012 (EDT) Although Meta Knight is more popular, Tabuu will win. It takes at least six people to beat Tabuu in Subspace Emissary, but it takes easily one person (like me, of course) to beat Meta Knight.-Kaizer24.185.135.102 20:53, 4 August 2012 (EDT) While Meta Knight is a playable character, and one I sometimes use in Multi-Man Brawl, Tabuu is pretty much awesome in my opinion, and I hope to see more of him in the next Smash game. Also, Kaizer: While you get six tries in Subspace, you only get one in Boss Battles mode. Good luck! JamesHeartless 00:16, 5 August 2012 (EDT) Because.37.3.33.189 13:30, 5 August 2012 (EDT) Meta Knight was overpowered by accident. Tabuu was supposed to be powerful. And Meta Knight is just TOO overpowered, whereas Tabuu is a final boss, heck, he's SUPPOSED to be powerful, and allowed to be. Plus, good on purpose is better than good by accident. Davsto (talk) 15:21, 5 August 2012 (EDT) I don't like Meta Knight. Naked Snake 15:39, 5 August 2012 (EDT) Tabuu will win hands down, up against Meta Knight. Because Tabuu is hard to beat also he have a lot of attacks then Meta Knight.Smash X 5432 (talk) 14:35, 9 August 2012 (EDT) I think Tabuu is harder to defeat than Meta Knight, especially since I have trouble dodging off waves.--71.160.203.16 20:29, 10 August 2012 (EDT) Half-votes meta knight can't defeat 26 fighters at the same time with one attack, but tabuu can! —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:101.63.209.241 (talk • contribs) Meta Knight is EXTERMLEY overrated. Heck, he even overshadowes Kirby sometimes. Yeah, f*ck you Meta Knight, even Tabbu was a very hard boss, I'd still chose him over you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.2.128.251 (talk • contribs) 11:32, 10 August 2012			Votes for Meta Knight I just like this guy better because he's playable. FishPlay 00:02, 4 August 2012 (EDT) Meta Knight > Tabuu. NO QUESTIONS ASKED--Bandit 23:58, 3 August 2012 (EDT) He can beat Ta-booooo!--ShupaRoeh 00:06, 4 August 2012 (EDT) Darth Vader in a pint-sized form. Also, no doughnuts for hearts. --- ReiDemon, Author Extraordinaire, 00:13, 4 August 2012 (EDT) Tabuu isn't actually that hard once you learn how to dodge his one hit KO attack. Meta Knight could easily beat him, and can actually pose a challenge. 110.174.90.69 00:17, 4 August 2012 (EDT) I go with anything else than Tabuu all knight long. DragonMistress (talk) 03:29, 4 August 2012 (EDT) Hm...Meta Knight is from the Kirby series. And Kirby is my favorite series. KIRBY DAMNIT!!! LightningBlue 03:51, 4 August 2012 (EDT) Holy cow - this is mine! :) Anyways, I say MK because at least I've beaten Tabuu on the highest difficulty. I wouldn't stand a chance against a MK who knew what they were doing. 24.168.107.113 11:07, 4 August 2012 (EDT) Come back when you can put up a fight, sug! 97.67.160.226 11:24, 4 August 2012 (EDT) Metaknight FTW! Good always triumphs over evil. Smash Master 14:22, 4 August 2012 (EDT) Meta knight is so badass that he had to be banned from tournments because he is so good. I've seen people beat Tabuu with jigglypuff, freaking jigglypuff. No Competition.2.122.221.124 16:59, 4 August 2012 (EDT) Meta Knight needs to be buffed for the next Smash bros. Mr. Anontalk 17:08, 4 August 2012 (EDT) To the users who brawled me, you should clearly know why. :| Dots The PSI Asian 18:52, 4 August 2012 (EDT) Meta Knight is way better!!! The Awesome 15:14, 5 August 2012 (EDT) Shanderu 17:25, 7 August 2012 (EDT) I vote Meta Knight because he's wearing clothes. Hawk 21Talk 22:37, 8 August 2012 (EDT) Tabuu was far too easy as a final boss, and Meta Knight pwns. 2.24.164.108 04:32, 9 August 2012 (EDT) Have you seen Mach Tornado in Kirby Superstar Ultra?! The Cheese 21:39, 9 August 2012 (EDT) Half-votes I don't care what anyone says, Tabuu is a JERK. At least MK is on your side. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.220.93 (talk • contribs)
Comments Seriously Toomai, I think a Sonic vs. Tabuu matchup would've been better. Since Sonic damaged one of Tabuu's wings. LightningBlue 03:53, 4 August 2012 (EDT) I agree.--ShupaRoeh 11:17, 4 August 2012 (EDT) I think that would've been more one-sided than this one. Also LightningBlue, you don't have to put a colon before each post.--Bandit 11:45, 4 August 2012 (EDT) Oh man! Just one more week until the five-in-one special! And since this match was used right before it, I have an idea of what two of the matches in the special are going to be... Toadat9021doh (talk) 16:35, 4 August 2012 (EDT) Bandit I want to and no one else cares. LightningBlue 17:29, 4 August 2012 (EDT) Actually, make that three. ;) Toadat9021doh (talk) 20:47, 8 August 2012 (EDT) My GAWD this is a hard decision... I would vote for Meta Knight because I like him better, but Davsto's got a point.--Shanicpower Make it rain! 13:36, 10 August 2012 (EDT)

Round 150: The Spiffy One-Fifty

Waluigi vs. Tingle

		Winner!! Waluigi 27.5 to 5.5
The black sheep of their respective series, adored by some fans and abolished by others. Which eccentric elf comes out for the better?
Votes for Waluigi 204.191.141.195 23:49, 10 August 2012 (EDT) Anything but Tingle. Mr. Anontalk 23:51, 10 August 2012 (EDT) From the Mario series. ShupaRoeh 00:01, 11 August 2012 (EDT) He's related to wario :| --Bandit 00:37, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Too bad. Waluigi time. Naked Snake 01:02, 11 August 2012 (EDT) He's PURPLE!!!! LightningBlue 01:06, 11 August 2012 (EDT) I may not like him but I guess he could do. Dots The PSI Asian 01:16, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Thought I was going to vote for Tingle because he's green? TOO BAD WALUIGI TIME! Davsto (talk) 03:20, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Per Mr. Anon.Shanicpower Make it rain! 04:35, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Tingle forces his brother and his friend to work non stop turning the wheel on his stupid little island, steals a camera and is probeley a mass murderer. Waluigi on the other hand is an amazing dancer.94.6.198.21 04:49, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Not Tingle. Krazy4Krash (talk) 08:26, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Waluigi Pinball... Plus, I hate Tingle. Who doesn't? Air Conditioner 09:28, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Purple is a colour. --- ReiDemon, Author Extraordinaire, 11:11, 11 August 2012 (EDT) As much as I like Zelda, Tingle is just a little too weird. DragonMistress (talk) 11:32, 11 August 2012 (EDT) FishPlay 15:34, 11 August 2012 (EDT) WAAAAAALUIGI! I love Mario spinoffs, so my vote goes to the man with a gamma on his hat. DarkFox01: Smashing in Summer 15:43, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Waluigi is very underrated. Tingle however is a stupid character (And you can't deny it). Waluigi all the way! 107.2.128.251 17:55, 11 August 2012 (EDT) As much as I don't like Waluigi, my dislike for Tingle is much worse. ScoreCounter (talk) 18:01, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Per all, primarily vote 2. Tingle is one of the creepiest things of this universe. --68.43.192.71 07:32, 12 August 2012 (EDT) It's a shame that this man has not appeared in any games besides Mario spin-offs. ChuckNorris 10:12, 12 August 2012 (EDT) I totally vote for Waluigi.Wa,lu,igi! R2101 (talk) 18:37, 13 August 2012 (EDT) Waluigi has an item with him so he's more powerful!! The Awesome 13:17, 14 August 2012 (EDT) WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 98.238.254.158 22:56, 14 August 2012 (EDT) Per ChuckNorris24. This guy just doesn't get enough love. Bowzerdude- Pure Epicness! 13:59, 15 August 2012 (EDT) Not nessesarily, Bowzerdude, but he is awesome. Marioisawesome118 14:05, 15 August 2012 (EDT) Not only do way more people know Waluigi then Tingle, but he actually assists you. He kicks fighters into the ground. Tingle puts flowers or balloons in the air. I really hope Waluigi's playable in SSB4 and he gets his own game soon. Trust me, I'd like the franchise way more if it were WaluigiWare. user:supersmash4 13:36, 15 August 2012 (EDT) Waluigi may be odd, but Tingle's just too odd. 67.173.145.76 22:35, 16 August 2012 (EDT) Half-votes Walugi nevers flees from the battle, but Tingle sometimes wants to be an airhead (pun intended with the baloons).-Kaizer24.185.135.102 09:24, 18 August 2012 (EDT)			Votes for Tingle His face. That clock. JamesHeartless 01:26, 11 August 2012 (EDT) "TINGLE KOOLOO-LIMPAH!" Toadat9021doh (talk) 10:24, 11 August 2012 (EDT) I pity da foo. 24.168.106.119 12:11, 11 August 2012 (EDT) The Cheese 17:22, 13 August 2012 (EDT) I like Tingle, whereas I dislike Waluigi. --71.106.223.13 01:21, 14 August 2012 (EDT) Half-votes He may send a tingle up your spine, but his brothers in Minish Cap are awesome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ToastUltimatum (talk • contribs) 05:35, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
Comments

Mushroomy Kingdom 1-1 vs. Mushroomy Kingdom 1-2

		Winner!! Mushroomy Kingdom 1-1 18.5 to 13
Two variants of a single stage, both in brick-filled lands of ancient wonder, but of differing terrain and atmosphere. Does the underworld or overworld finish first?
Votes for Mushroomy Kingdom 1-1 Just for the classics. 204.191.141.195 23:49, 10 August 2012 (EDT) Above comment, and better music. Mr. Anontalk 23:52, 10 August 2012 (EDT) Classic. ShupaRoeh 00:01, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Less bricks--Bandit 00:37, 11 August 2012 (EDT) The legendary original first stage. Naked Snake 01:02, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Classic. Dots The PSI Asian 01:16, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Not as cramped. Allows actual fighting. Krazy4Krash (talk) 08:27, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Per ShupaRoeh and Krazy4Krash. Toadat9021doh (talk) 10:24, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Caves of life suck. --- ReiDemon, Author Extraordinaire, 11:11, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Less cause for lag, I guess. 24.168.106.119 12:12, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Better item placement (in my opinion), no huge breakable walls, and no U-smash kill zone. Thank you very much! DarkFox01: Smashing in Summer 15:43, 11 August 2012 (EDT) You can actually KO people on this stage. ChuckNorris 10:12, 12 August 2012 (EDT) I love this level. It's the best.It's my favorite because I have New Super Mario Bros. DS and it's my favorite level. Go, 1-1! R2101 (talk) 18:50, 13 August 2012 (EDT) Let's-a-go!The Cheese 23:08, 13 August 2012 (EDT) I hate fighting on both of these levels, but overall 1-1 is more bearable. 110.174.90.69 02:56, 15 August 2012 (EDT) Because it's one of the first things people saw as soon as they turned on the NES game. Bowzerdude- Pure Epicness! 13:57, 15 August 2012 (EDT) This section is my favorate. Marioisawesome118 14:05, 15 August 2012 (EDT) Even if you've never played a Mario platform game, this stage is way more understandable than 1-2. User:supersmash4 13:43, 15 August 2012 (EDT) Half-votes The first is almost always the best.-Kaizer24.185.135.102 09:21, 18 August 2012 (EDT)			Votes for Mushroomy Kingdom 1-2 Oh come on, you dont like the Underground Theme for Super Mario Land??? Come on that's awesome! LightningBlue 01:04, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Better music. JamesHeartless 01:26, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Don't see why it's good to, but whenever I play on this stage, there are so many blocks then when I set off a bunch of smart bombs (They are the only items I use that can have lots of them onscreen at once) it lags so much that it is funny. Plus Super Mario Land underground and Super Mario Bros. Underwater themes FOR THE WIN! Davsto (talk) 03:23, 11 August 2012 (EDT) These both suck but the picture above has ike, bowser and mario in it where as the other one only has mario in it.94.6.198.21 04:47, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Get on top of the stage, Raptor Boost, instant win. Toast ltimatum 09:15, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Better music. Am I the only one that favors the SMB underground theme to the SML underground theme? Air Conditioner 09:28, 11 August 2012 (EDT) FishPlay 15:34, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Looks more like the original mario. ScoreCounter (talk) 18:14, 11 August 2012 (EDT) It is more explosive!!! The Awesome 13:18, 14 August 2012 (EDT) BEST. MUSIC. EVER.98.238.254.158 22:57, 14 August 2012 (EDT) I like the underground feel. 67.173.145.76 22:35, 16 August 2012 (EDT) I just like it while using Ness, even though I love the Gritzy Desert Theme in the other stage.--71.160.242.11 21:58, 17 August 2012 (EDT) This music is some of the best video game music of all time. --99.249.196.42 10:38, 18 August 2012 (EDT)
Comments Of course not, Air Conditioner. SMB underground theme is far superior. I hate the SML underground theme. I have haunting memories of that tune trying to unlock Wolf in the SSE. Krazy4Krash (talk) 19:45, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Dang, I was gonna suggest this until I found out that suggestions were disabled. Well, time to remove it from my list of SmashArena Suggestions. F1reBurn1ng (talk) 17:47, 12 August 2012 (EDT) KrazyKrash: seriously why did you try to unlock him in SSE? Just do it the hard way like everyone else done. It shouldn't have been that hard.  :/ LightningBlue 23:01, 12 August 2012 (EDT) Because I wanted to 100% the SSE. Why else? Besides, it wasn't hard at all. I'm just fooling around. I just don't like the theme, that's all. Krazy4Krash (talk) 02:45, 13 August 2012 (EDT)

Dialga vs. Palkia vs. Cresselia

Winner!! Dialga 16.5 to 10 to 7
Three legendary Pokémon that provide the shenanigans of Spear Pillar. Will temporal distillation, spacial reflection, or lunar blades earn victory?
Votes for Dialga Awesome. 204.191.141.195 23:49, 10 August 2012 (EDT) Time is the ultimate power. Mr. Anontalk 23:52, 10 August 2012 (EDT) A Steel-Dragon type. ShupaRoeh 00:01, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Naked Snake 01:01, 11 August 2012 (EDT) It looks cooler? Dots The PSI Asian 01:16, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Cressilia always run from me, and I like Dialga better than Palkia.Shanicpower Make it rain! 04:42, 11 August 2012 (EDT) From a brawl viewpoint dialga is the least annoying legendary on this stage. From a pokemon viewpoint it looks cool.94.6.198.21 04:45, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Looks the coolest. Krazy4Krash (talk) 08:26, 11 August 2012 (EDT) It's cooler, less annoying and Diamond was still my first Pokémon game. DragonMistress (talk) 11:30, 11 August 2012 (EDT) My suggestion a while back! I like slow-mo much better than rotation or Psycho Cut. I also want Diamond. DarkFox01: Smashing in Summer 15:43, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Simply because he can control time. ScoreCounter (talk) 18:14, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Just because it's Dialga.174.20.251.84 18:38, 13 August 2012 (EDT) Because he's awesome.The Cheese 23:09, 13 August 2012 Palkia and Cresselia are going down. Go Dialga![User:--R2101 10:28, 14 August 2012 (EDT) Dialga is stronger than the rest of them!!! The Awesome 13:19, 14 August 2012 (EDT) Pokemon Diamond was my first Pokemon game. I remember beating so many pokemon with 1 Roar of Time. Ah, memories. --99.249.196.42 10:36, 18 August 2012 (EDT) Half-votes Time can beat water anytime.-Kaizer24.185.135.102 09:15, 18 August 2012 (EDT)		Votes for Palkia I like that gear thing on his shoulder--Bandit 00:37, 11 August 2012 (EDT) 'Cuz it's fun when he mirrors the stage or turns it upside-down because it annoys everyone. Plus, he is amazingly underrated in the Pokémon series. Also, Water+Dragon=AWESOME. Davsto (talk) 03:25, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Water is the best type. Air Conditioner 09:28, 11 August 2012 (EDT) The funnest of the trio. 24.168.106.119 12:13, 11 August 2012 (EDT) In Pokemon, Palkia is better in everything :| FishPlay 15:35, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Turning the stage 180 degrees. Your argument is irrelevant. --68.43.192.71 06:45, 12 August 2012 (EDT) He looks the coolest out of the three. ChuckNorris 10:12, 12 August 2012 (EDT) Palkia is probably the most annoying Pokémon to have on the Spear Pillar, and its Gen IV back sprite was very unfortunate, but Palkia is still my favourite Pokémon of these three. Toast ltimatum 10:34, 14 August 2012 (EDT) I like the whole concept of mastering time and space, though I think distorting reality is just a little bit better. Bowzerdude- Pure Epicness! 13:53, 15 August 2012 (EDT) I really in fact love the color pink so yeah, I guess I like Palkia. Marioisawesome118 13:58, 15 August 2012 (EDT)		Votes for Cresselia Cutter is a dangerous hazard. :P LightningBlue 01:01, 11 August 2012 (EDT) The rarest of the three. Toadat9021doh (talk) You never see it coming. --- ReiDemon, Author Extraordinaire, 11:11, 11 August 2012 (EDT) The only one that can actually hit me...98.238.254.158 22:58, 14 August 2012 (EDT) Different. JamesHeartless 14:17, 15 August 2012 (EDT) I don't care about any of these, but this one deserves some votes 'cause he's doing so bad, whoever he is. Supersmash4 (talk) 01:36, 16 August 2012 (EDT) Different and exotic. 67.173.145.76 22:35, 16 August 2012 (EDT)
Comments Hey Toast, what exactly do you mean by Palkia's Gen IV back sprite being "very unfortunate"? Bowzerdude- Pure Epicness! 13:55, 15 August 2012 (EDT) It's not as bad as I remembered it, but still this isn't a smashing back sprite to have, is it? Toast ltimatum 14:03, 15 August 2012 (EDT) Well... I kinda guess you're right. Bowzerdude- Pure Epicness! 07:01, 16 August 2012 (EDT) Smashman4, Cressielia is female in every circumstance. ShupaRoeh 22:38, 16 August 2012 (EDT) Anybody else get the feeling that Cresselia would be more suited had it been Giratina? 75.159.41.249 19:22, 17 August 2012 (EDT) Provided Giratina is in the same trio as Dialga and Palkia, you have a point. However, Giratina has not appeared in a Smash game, so he isn't included. ShupaRoeh 19:57, 17 August 2012 (EDT)

Barrel Cannon vs. Minecart vs. Slide Launcher

Winner!! Minecart 13.5 to 16.5 to 2
Three methods of personal personnel transportation are up in this bout. Will the winner be the blasting barrel, the rolling railcart, or the fling thing?
Votes for Barrel Cannon It's slightly more useful and can be controlled. Naked Snake 01:01, 11 August 2012 (EDT) The other ones are just in your way.Shanicpower Make it rain! 04:38, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Krazy4Krash (talk) 08:26, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Contains Kirby and Donkey Kong nostalgia. And I love that one gravity-defying barrel cannon at the end of the lake. Toadat9021doh (talk) 10:25, 11 August 2012 (EDT) BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! etc. DarkFox01: Smashing in Summer 15:43, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Minecart: Uncontrollable, can cause you to SD for no reason. Speed Launcher: Does nothing but speed you up. Barrel Cannon: Actually Useful. ScoreCounter (talk) 18:14, 11 August 2012 (EDT) WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!The Cheese 23:09, 13 August 2012 (EDT) See 698.238.254.158 22:59, 14 August 2012 (EDT) Neigh! Mesprit, Uxie, Azelf. Mesuxelf 06:13, 15 August 2012 (EDT) Kirby was the first game I ever played. That and Donkey Kong Country is an equally epic game. Bowzerdude- Pure Epicness! 13:52, 15 August 2012 (EDT) Feels the most nostalgic (though I've only played DKC3 once). JamesHeartless 14:17, 15 August 2012 (EDT) I love the barrel canons in the all Dkc games its a blast. And when I saw the barrel canon in brawl's sse I went nuts. I hope you more barrel canons in ssb4.Smash X 5432 (talk) 14:03, 16 August 2012 (EDT) The most fun of the three in my opinion. :) 67.173.145.76 22:35, 16 August 2012 (EDT) Half-votes This is usually necessary, but the other two just get in your way. Mr. Anontalk 23:53, 10 August 2012 (EDT)		Votes for Minecart Has wheels. ShupaRoeh 00:01, 11 August 2012 (EDT) I like roller coasters--Bandit 00:37, 11 August 2012 (EDT) ^ (btw Top Thrill Dragster is better Bandit :P).LightningBlue 01:03, 11 August 2012 (EDT) It rams into people. Dots The PSI Asian 01:16, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Just because. Davsto (talk) 03:26, 11 August 2012 (EDT) The slide launcher is just plain annoying and the barrel launchers don't give you the thrill that comes from waiting for the longest possibly time before jumping out of the mine cart.94.6.198.21 04:41, 11 August 2012 (EDT) This minecart is my cart. Toast ltimatum 09:15, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Wanna race? --Oh, you mean minecart, not Mario Kart. Air Conditioner 09:28, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Requires no effort to use, mostly. --- ReiDemon, Author Extraordinaire, 11:11, 11 August 2012 (EDT) The Slider is mostly just annoying, and the barrel thing isn't as fun. DragonMistress (talk) 11:27, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Reminds me of Minecraft FishPlay 15:36, 11 August 2012 (EDT) It's so fun to ride in it. ChuckNorris 10:12, 12 August 2012 (EDT) This is an awesome ride! You just got to look out for the wall or the fall at the end. LOL![[User:--R2101 (talk) 10:39, 14 August 2012 (EDT)R2101|--R2101 (talk) 10:39, 14 August 2012 (EDT)R2101]] 10:38, 14 August 2012 (EDT) It looks like a fun ride to me!!!! The Awesome 13:21, 14 August 2012 (EDT) I love the mine cart because it's a vehicle that moves on WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEELS. Marioisawesome118 13:58, 15 August 2012 (EDT) I was gonna vote for Barrel Cannon because it's from Donkey Kong Country, but train carts in video games are always more fun. Supersmash4 (talk) 01:38, 16 August 2012 (EDT) Half-votes You can just stay in the cart while it kills all of your enemies in front of you.-Kaizer24.185.135.102 09:20, 18 August 2012 (EDT)		Votes for Slide Launcher Kirby Nostalgia! 204.191.141.195 23:49, 10 August 2012 (EDT) I pity da foo. Again. 24.168.106.119 12:14, 11 August 2012 (EDT)
Comments lolno Kingda Ka will always be better.--Bandit 01:44, 11 August 2012 (EDT) @IP: actually Super Star had minecarts. Check the Great Gave Offensive. LightningBlue 03:32, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

Wavedash vs. DACUS

		Winner!! Wavedash 17.5 to 13
Two friction-defying techniques that define their respective metagames. Which sliding superpower overcomes the other?
Votes for Wavedash First, it's in Melee, a better game then Brawl (sorry Brawl fans). Second, you can wavedash yourself out of the stage to edge guard. That's pretty cool. Lastly, everybody has an advantage with it... no matter what. Fugudev 23:59, 10 August 2012 (EDT) It looks more technical--Bandit 00:37, 11 August 2012 (EDT) LUIGI WINS!!! LightningBlue 01:02, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Looks more impressive and requires more technical skill. Naked Snake 01:00, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Uh... I'm going to say wavedash because it has a cooler name :D Air Conditioner 09:28, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Whee...FishPlay 15:38, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Wavedashing was a bread and butter technique for all players and all mains. Having infinitely more uses and versatility, it could do more than simply extend the hitbox of a smash attack. Wavedashing serves as form of safe approaching/retreating, a way to extend combos, and a safe Out of Shield option to escape pressure. You can both attack and powershield out of a wavedash, and use it as a way to provide synergy with ground movement and aerial attacks. Also nothing can match the advantage of moving backward while facing forward, which the DACUS does not provide.--BrianDon't try me! 15:08, 13 August 2012 (EDT) YES!!The Cheese 17:23, 13 August 2012 (EDT) Luigi is AWESOME!!!!! The Awesome 13:22, 14 August 2012 (EDT) Luigi is my favorite character out of all of them. Go wigi,go wigi,go wigi,go wigi! [User:--R2101 (talk) 15:27, 14 August 2012 (EDT) It shows Luigi. That is all.98.238.254.158 23:02, 14 August 2012 (EDT) Slightly easier to do and the must-know for newer players while DACUS requires knowledge of the game's system, which newer players don't have. Bowzerdude- Pure Epicness! 13:49, 15 August 2012 (EDT) I like wavedashing because it's fun to do. Marioisawesome118 13:58, 15 August 2012 (EDT) Featured in this video. JamesHeartless 14:17, 15 August 2012 (EDT) I actually understand this ability. If you want to see something that looks like running then random spinning around, look up, then right. Supersmash4 (talk) 01:41, 16 August 2012 (EDT) Seems more fun. 67.173.145.76 22:35, 16 August 2012 (EDT) Waveshining. Nuff said. 75.159.41.249 18:36, 17 August 2012 (EDT) Half-votes Its more fun.-Kaizer24.185.135.102 09:18, 18 August 2012 (EDT)			Votes for DACUS Don't care for wavedashing. 204.191.141.195 23:49, 10 August 2012 (EDT) It feels more fun. Mr. Anontalk 23:53, 10 August 2012 (EDT) You attack. ShupaRoeh 00:01, 11 August 2012 (EDT) It gives you a better approach and distance despite wavedashing being a good traveling technique. Dots The PSI Asian 01:16, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Because Falco taunts at the end of the gif, and Yoshi is there. Davsto (talk) 03:28, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Falco and Yoshi. Instant win.94.6.198.21 04:38, 11 August 2012 (EDT) I can DACUS. I can't wavedash. As a Link main, I would be dead without the DACUS. Krazy4Krash (talk) 08:26, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Wavedash was only elemental for three characters, none of which were high tier, don't know why y'all miss it so much. I can't DACUS because I'm a tap jumper, but bleh. Toast ltimatum 09:15, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Hands of my bread!!! Lols. DragonMistress (talk) 11:24, 11 August 2012 (EDT) Brawl is my game. 24.168.106.119 12:15, 11 August 2012 (EDT) I actually find this useful. ChuckNorris 10:12, 12 August 2012 (EDT) The DACUS is more useful, and with my second main (Falco), I can easily use this as an advantage. Smash Master 14:09, 13 August 2012 (EDT) Half Votes Useful in all three games, as opposed to one. And my top three in Brawl (Fox, Marth, and Falcon) all have a good DACUS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkFox01 (talk • contribs) 12:43, August 11, 2012 Wavedash is overrated. Nuff said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.2.128.251 (talk • contribs) 15:03, August 11, 2012
Comments @Darkfox: The DACUS is a brawl exclusive technique. You cannot use it in melee or ssb64 because the physics in both games don't allow the dash attack to be canceled. A moving up smash in melee is known a wavesmash (wavedash -> up smash) and a moving up smash in ssb64 is called a teleport up smash. Also of all the brawl mains you mentioned, only Fox has a sliding DACUS. I have tested this and both Falcon and Marth move no distance when I input their up smashes as DACUSes.--BrianDon't try me! 14:58, 13 August 2012 (EDT) Fox does not have a sliding DACUS, last I checked. For Falcon and Marth, I believe the user was confusing DACUS with a slide smash, and both Falcon and Marth have fairly far sliding slide smashes. Mr. Anontalk 21:18, 15 August 2012 (EDT) If you read the actual updated page, Fox does indeed have a sliding DACUS. I tested this and added that info. And even if Darkfox was confusing slide smashing and the DACUS, running up smashes don't exist in melee or ssb64 either.--BrianDon't try me! 14:29, 16 August 2012 (EDT)