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Round 191: Pokémon Trainer vs. Olimar

		Winner!! Pokémon Trainer 15.5 to 13
Two characters that avoid fighting alone and instead send their beloved minions against their local wildlife. Does the kid or the captain win out?
Votes for Pokémon Trainer Pokémon>Pikmin. And I just don't like how Olimar plays, even though Pokémon trainer is really annoying to play as too. DoctorPain99 14:52, 14 June 2013 (EDT) Pokemon Trainer was the first character I used, and was my main before I switched. --99.249.196.42 16:28, 14 June 2013 (EDT) I feel that every character should have at least one win, and I value Pokemon more than any other fictional universe.71.105.121.171 19:06, 14 June 2013 (EDT) I'm pretty surprised that Olimar is doing this well.75.31.4.16 22:18, 14 June 2013 (EDT) Maybe I'm just horrible at playing as Olimar, but the randomness of the Pikmin used kinda ruins him for me. That, and I like Pokemon a lot more. Takava (talk) 20:48, 16 June 2013 (EDT) Ivysaur's up smash kicks butt and all little olimar can do is throw tiny pikmin kirbyman 7:57 17 June 2013 (EDT) pokemon trainer allows for 3 characters in one! Moomoos86 10:53 17 June 2013 I like Pokémon better. And Squirtle is my favorite character in Brawl (tied with Luigi)Tepig (talk) 13:27, 17 June 2013 (EDT) pokemon trainer is awewsome--75.34.23.14 19:06, 17 June 2013 (EDT) While I'm not too fond of Pokemon trainer, I just always feel mildly distraught when facing Olimar. Really... Meta Knight doesn't bother me, and Diddy Kong, not really. But Olimar? Freaking. Olimar. --HavocReaper48 22:53, 17 June 2013 (EDT) The sheer fact that this guy is from Pokémon is enough.174.20.238.87 16:30, 18 June 2013 (EDT) Pokémon Trainer for sure, Olimar isn't really that useful. Superstarxalien169 (talk) 21:32, 18 June 2013 (EDT) Pokemon Trainer could blow away little Olimar in a second. Plus, THREE. DIFFERENT. POKEMON. Sonicmario22 (talk) 08:37, 20 June 2013 (EDT) Gotta Catch 'Em All! ChuckNorris 08:53, 21 June 2013 (EDT) Half-Votes Three different strategies, and squirtle evolves into my favorite, all-time, fictional character, WARTORTLE!!!!!!! TheWartortlemaster —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.83.208.252 (talk • contribs) 8:10, 14 June 2013 I hate Olimar's playstyle. I like the PT's three Pokémon, especially Squirtle. 84.92.35.200 11:33, 14 June 2013 (EDT) Spidermatt777 pokemon trainers pokemon charizards move s are way better (i.e. Rock Smash) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spideermatt777 (talk • contribs) 12:20, June 19, 2013			Votes for Olimar His gimmick doesn't make him unviable or a skill trap, and he doesn't take up the space of three characters. Omega Tyrant 01:25, 14 June 2013 (EDT) The stamina problems for the Pokémon Trainer and the fact that it has three characters in one, too much. Also I'm probably voting for the underdog Olimar which is probably hard for me to play as but hey, at least he's easier to play than PT. Dots The Engineer 09:28, 14 June 2013 (EDT) I enjoy playing as both, but Olimar was once a main, so I don't have much of a choice. Toast ltimatum 09:45, 14 June 2013 (EDT) Steve. Terrible is Ready for Summer 11:31, 14 June 2013 (EDT) Olimar actually does shit to help his Pikmin, unlike Pokemon Trainer who just sits on the side yelling out orders. Mr. Anontalk 12:02, 14 June 2013 (EDT) I'm quite sure that not very few, if any, Smasher wants to bother with P.T., so...67.166.229.4 17:57, 14 June 2013 (EDT) "Didn't play with Olimar for a while, so I may be a little rusty...". Famous lines said before I fell on the battlefield, and ultimately lost (you know who you are). -- Conny 22:32, 14 June 2013 (EDT) I am very sorry Pokemon Trainer, but I just noticed that during All-Star, it takes 3 Pokemon to defeat! So I'm sticking with Olimar Giratina720 (talk) 00:05, 15 June 2013 (EDT) O-Ri-Ma>Ma-Ri-O LightningBlue 18:42, 16 June 2013 (EDT) Gotta go with Captain Olimar here. While both are interesting and extremely unique fighters, I think Olimar is better suited for combat and just a bit more fun to play as. ﾚ∆ㄅ 05:03, 17 June 2013 (EDT) --64.130.180.158 19:05, 18 June 2013 (EDT) I'll go with Olimar in this one.-Kaizer24.185.135.102 14:35, 20 June 2013 (EDT) Half-Votes Leader of an army, or a 10-year-old boy? Hmm... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.98.170.70 (talk • contribs) 09:39, June 16, 2013 Olimar gets my vote. Also, wouldnt Pokemon Trainer vs Wii Fit Trainer make sense? --69.242.121.244 09:59, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
Comments How come my vote was put in the half votes section? 84.92.35.200 15:34, 14 June 2013 (EDT) You didn't correctly put in the number. In the future, type in # instead of the number itself. Terrible is Ready for Summer 10:32, 16 June 2013 (EDT)

Round 192: Reflector vs. PSI Magnet

		Winner!! Reflector 18 to 7
The quintessential reflection and absorption moves. Which projectile-countering technique will turn away the competition and catch the victory?
Votes for Reflector I actually don't use either technique, so I'm voting for Reflector because Star Fox characters use them.71.105.121.171 23:45, 21 June 2013 (EDT) I believe the morning sun. Always gonna shine again and. Dots The EarthBound 23:48, 21 June 2013 (EDT) Best move in Melee hands down.--BrianDon't try me! 00:27, 22 June 2013 (EDT) Stuff and stuff DoctorPain99 01:04, 22 June 2013 (EDT) Shine combos FTW Scr7 03:17, 22 June 2013 (EDT) Can PSI Magnet protect you from non-energy projectiles? ...yeah, I didn't think so! 67.166.229.4 11:50, 22 June 2013 (EDT) If you can't absorb an enemy thrown at you in a Mario Bros. stage, a Reflector is what you truly need.-Kaizer24.185.135.102 20:18, 22 June 2013 (EDT) You reflect almost every attack when someone tries to attack you! Giratina 720 00:00, 23 June 2013 (EDT) If only the move was a one-framer. LightningBlue 00:41, 23 June 2013 (EDT) The reflector can deal damage, so it's defensive and offensive! Bulbaking (talk) 14:20, 23 June 2013 (EDT) Beast move in Melee. Naked Snake 22:40, 23 June 2013 (EDT) Good move with Falco 71.101.104.26 20:52, 24 June 2013 (EDT) Shine combos, that's all. Smash Master.exe 02:22, 25 June 2013 (EDT) Reflector. Useful for fooling fools in smash. Superstarxalien169's smashbox. (talk) 17:20, 25 June 2013 (EDT) My older brother once fooled me so badly when he reflected next to me when I was younger. I thought that he was invincible for as long as he held the reflector up. I think the match might have been timed out, or I discovered it was a trick, but I don't remember. Plus, the reflector is mure useful. BlueRidiculous 21:04, 26 June 2013 (EDT) I don't really use either, but I like reflector way more than PSI Magnet Sonicmario22 (talk) 08:16, 27 June 2013 (EDT) I HAVE RETURNED FROM THE GRAVE ONCE AGAIN. Also, no matter how many times i've used PSI Magnet, i've never seen it do anything. The Reflector is useful because it not only reflects projectiles, but also does close-range damage. --Fan275 03:00, 29 June 2013 (EDT) Half-votes i perfer reflector —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.34.23.14 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 25 June 2013 (EDT) I just love throwing their things back at them. NutsBazooka —Preceding unsigned comment added by NutsBazooka (talk • contribs) 02:35, 28 June 2013 (EDT)			Votes for PSI Magnet Lucas is currently my best character and being able to heal is invaluable. Casundrud (talk) 08:12, 22 June 2013 (EDT) I choose PSI magnet more or less because you heal from the shot when if reflected can be avoided by guarding fast, jumping or sidestepping.70.24.174.249 09:30, 22 June 2013 (EDT) Earthbound. Terrible is Ready for Summer 10:09, 22 June 2013 (EDT) In Earthbound this is actually a pretty useful move, though in Smash its applications are limited. Mr. Anontalk 13:12, 22 June 2013 (EDT) 75.31.4.16 17:08, 22 June 2013 (EDT) 2 Reasons, EarthBound and Healing. GormanLuigi 14:24, 25 June 2013 (EDT) EarthBound on VC! Yeah! ChuckNorris 07:26, 27 June 2013 (EDT)
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Round 193: Kirby (SSBM) vs. Pichu (SSBM)

		Winner!! Pichu 9 to 13
These two pals just can't get it together in Melee's tournament scene, having been fumbled around in the bottom quarter of characters for the game's entire lifespan. One of these two will move on to represent Melee in a future low-tier showdown - who will it be?
Votes for Kirby (SSBM) Kirby is my favorite fictional character ever. --Dinoboy411 (talk) 12:27, 29 June 2013 (EDT) KIRBY IS THE BEST!!!!!!!! --Kirbyman (talk) 13:33, 29 June 2013 (EDT) I have never been the biggest fan of Pichu (understatement), and still believe him to be the absolute worst in Melee, as well as the worst concept for a fighting game character ever conceived. DoctorPain99 14:33, 29 June 2013 (EDT) 75.31.4.16 15:21, 29 June 2013 (EDT) I'm a big Kirby fan, and I've secondary'd him in every Super Smash Bros. game. Kirby is a very bad character in Melee, but compared to Pichu, he has a better down smash, up smash, back air, down air, up air, and recovery. Plus, Kirby is a little heavier and has longer reach, though the differences in these areas are nearly unnoticeable. Kirby lasts longer against Pichu anyway given that Pichu hurts itself with its own electric attacks. Pichu only has better speed, throws and KO potential, but those don't redeem him enough to place him above Kirby. Pichu is probably the shittiest, stupidest, most uninspired character ever conceived for a Super Smash Bros. game (or conceived period). Pichu is also perhaps the second worst of all the baby Pokemon, the first being Azurill (though Azurill is easier on the eyes). blue ninjakoopa 20:08, 29 June 2013 (EDT) Pink. Terrible is Ready for Summer 18:03, 30 June 2013 (EDT) Wether it be the original, melee, or brawl, Kirby wil always be my best Bulbaking (talk) 13:37, 2 July 2013 (EDT) I like Kirby more than Pichu. Not to much of an argument, but, Kirby still had some techniques that made him at least more useful than Pichu. -- Conny 09:40, 4 July 2013 (EDT) Half-votes Kirbys #1 --98.253.244.168 22:13, 1 July 2013 (EDT) Hi!. Nutsbazooka —Preceding unsigned comment added by NutsBazooka (talk • contribs) 14:21, 4 July 2013 (EDT)			Votes for Pichu (SSBM) First vote :P Anyway Pichu is quite fun to use even though it's really hard to do well with him. Scr7 12:09, 29 June 2013 (EDT) Pichu's probably my favourite character in the Smash series. Not to play as, just the character. Toast ltimatum 12:14, 29 June 2013 (EDT) Pichu is the cutest thing ever! Also, finally mine got picked! Woo!Luke5176 (talk) 12:24, 29 June 2013 (EDT) True Kirby is my third favorite Nintendo character but Pichu is the pre evolution of my favorite Nintendo character, Pikachu. Plus this is a sympathy vote, and the fact that Melee Kirby is completely outclassed by every character. Dots The Lamp 12:39, 29 June 2013 (EDT) Though I do enjoy a good Kirby game every now and then, my favorite short film will always be the Pichu Brothers. --Fan275 13:49, 29 June 2013 (EDT) Pichu for me, because it's a Pokémon who needs to win a battle. Plus, I wouldn't mind if it makes a return in the next Smash game. I could add more, but I won't.71.105.121.171 18:07, 29 June 2013 (EDT) Kirby is supposed to have a good recovery, decent power and combo ability and functional grabs. But he has none of those things. He's a trash character who is much better in Brawl. LightningBlue 19:49, 29 June 2013 (EDT) Pichu has actual positives, such as good and fast mobility, a really good recovery, and has some sort of kill power. Melee Kirby is good at absolutely nothing, and only has a decent move or two at best. Omega Tyrant 20:19, 29 June 2013 (EDT) Sneaky lil' mofugga. - Ceci n’est pas un Smiddle. 17:58, 30 June 2013 (EDT) Yeah, a pity vote for the crappiest character in Melee. That's all. 67.166.229.4 18:18, 1 July 2013 (EDT) Pichu's my lil' bud. ChuckNorris 13:20, 2 July 2013 (EDT) Kirby is great as a character in brawl, 64, and as a character overall, but I had good childhood memories of playing a game with pichu(with my little brother) in training mode. Even though Kirby is slightly better, I'd go with the baby version of pikachu.(at least in this case) TheAtomicFire (talk) 09:10, 4 July 2013 (EDT) My sister does pretty well with pichu. 71.118.251.239 23:24, 5 July 2013 (EDT)
Comments Blue Ninjikoopa, I would say Pichu has a better recovery than Kirby. Kirby's recovery is really predictable in Melee, while Pichu does have quite a lot of ways to return to the stage, like Pikachu. Scr7 04:19, 30 June 2013 (EDT)

Round 194: Articuno vs. Zapdos vs. Moltres

Winner!! Articuno 10 to 9 to 5
The three Legendary Birds control Kanto's weather and are top-tier legendaries in Melee. Which feathered forecast-flounderer flaunts fan favour?
Votes for Articuno Ew, not this fight. And how the fuck did Pichu win the last one? I have no faith in you guys. DoctorPain99 13:07, 6 July 2013 (EDT) Ice, which is Articunos type, is the coolest type. BRAWLS OF FURY 13:16, 6 July 2013 (EDT) It's Ice, I mean, it's cool, am I right? -- Conny 13:46, 6 July 2013 (EDT) I'm partial to the cold and Articuno freezes enemies like popsicles and sends them flying to oblivion. 67.166.229.4 16:59, 6 July 2013 (EDT) Ice Ice Baby. Terrible is Terrible 10:49, 7 July 2013 (EDT) 75.31.4.16 16:37, 8 July 2013 (EDT) Articuno's the best. :] 24.1.115.173 20:14, 9 July 2013 (EDT) During gameplay, Zapdos is much worse than Articuno and Moltres, and then Articuno is my personal preference of those two. Toast ltimatum 20:29, 9 July 2013 (EDT) 173.79.214.38 21:16, 12 July 2013 (EDT) Just don't want Zapdos to win 67.142.166.23 22:55, 12 July 2013 (EDT)		Votes for Zapdos Fire-flying and Ice-flying have double weaknesses to rock (making Stealth Rock hazards very dangerous), whereas Electric-Flying gives Zapdos immunity from ground and cancels out an electric weakness. Mr. Anontalk 13:15, 6 July 2013 (EDT) Looks cooler imo. Scr7 13:19, 6 July 2013 (EDT) Stealth Rock, as Mr. Anon mentioned, is an extremely reliable move in competitive Pokémon. Articuno and Moltres would lose 50% health then because of double weakness to rock type attacks. Although Zapdos also has a weakness to rock type attacks, it only loses 25% of its health. In addition, I have to say its a pretty powerful special sweeper if you ask me. Dots The Saxaphone 13:23, 6 July 2013 (EDT) It's a bird that doesn't get hurt by any electric types. Giratina 720 13:36, 6 July 2013 (EDT) I've always been partial to electric types, and I'd be shocked if Zapdos didn't win. He'd never give a cold shoulder, and he's right in the middle of this heated debate. Pun, pun, pun. --HavocReaper48 15:44, 6 July 2013 (EDT) Now I was never hardcore about the 3 legendary birds, but just saying "Zapdos" just feels so metal. Plus, it's a thunderbird. THE Thunderbird.MegiBeelzebub 17:07, 6 July 2013 (EDT) Come on guys. This is the ELECTRIC LEGENDARY BIRD. Even someone who doesn't know a thing about pokemon knows that electricity is better and stronger than fire and ice.TheAtomicFire (talk) 20:10, 6 July 2013 (EDT) Yay! Sonicmario22 (talk) 09:04, 8 July 2013 (EDT) Everybody Polkamon! ChuckNorris 16:58, 9 July 2013 (EDT)		Votes for Moltres Zapdos is by far my pokemon out of these three (and was my favorite overall before Tyranitar). But when it comes to being a pokeball pokemon in Smash, Moltres stomps the other two. Flaming OHKOs every single time, you just can't match that. Omega Tyrant 13:53, 6 July 2013 (EDT) Moltres is my favorite of these three. Only Lugia matches Moltres in terms of KO power.Boo Buddy (talk) 14:04, 6 July 2013 (EDT) I like fire. Btw do Wii Fit Trainer Vs. PKMN Trainer. --Dinoboy411 (talk) 22:05, 6 July 2013 (EDT) Strongest of the three. Articuno does not have a one hit ko attack and Zapdos is unlikely to ko an opponent at all.71.118.254.198 20:44, 7 July 2013 (EDT) Despite being a Pokémon fan, I don't have any preferences here, so I figured I'd vote for the one who'd end up in last place.71.105.121.171 16:48, 11 July 2013 (EDT)
Comments Dinoboy, you're supposed to suggest ideas here. Scr7 04:43, 7 July 2013 (EDT) In a 3-way match, what happens if two of the three participants are at equal number of votes? Dots The Donkey Kong 21:20, 12 July 2013 (EDT) I'm guessing that it counts as a tie for that placement. In this case, in the event that no other votes go to Articuno or Zapdos, we wiil have a tie for first place, while Moltres earns third place. Likewise, it is possible to have a winner in a 3-way match with both of the other contenders taking last place. I hope this helps in any way, Dots.71.105.121.171 21:53, 12 July 2013 (EDT) I kinda want to see a two way tie in a three participant match.173.79.214.38 23:00, 12 July 2013 (EDT)

Round 195: Link vs. Young Link vs. Toon Link

Winner!! Toon Link 7.5 to 9.5 to 11
These three incarnations of a legendary hero have battled each other previously, but now it's time for a group hug slug. Will it be the Hero of Time, Hero of Winds, or Hero of Twilight?
Votes for Link Yeah...never liked Link, but it saddens me to see he's never been a good character choice in Smash history. So...yeah, pity vote, this. 67.166.229.4 13:04, 13 July 2013 (EDT) i dont really like any of them but link is the original and the other 2 are clones RoyalRapids (talk) 18:44, 13 July 2013 (EDT) Have always preferred to play as the Adult Link. 110.174.90.69 06:27, 14 July 2013 (EDT) Hey if this one wasnt made the other two wouldn't exist82.225.106.36 19:14, 14 July 2013 (EDT) The real Link! Not these clones. SeanWheeler (talk) 17:09, 15 July 2013 (EDT) Why the hell is Link's subordinate childhood and chibi forms getting more votes? It's a gosh-darn HERO OF TIME! That, and I prefer the manly screams and shouts /this/ Link does rather than the whiney Beiber cries the other ones force out of their underdeveloped peach mouths. MegiBeelzebub 14:35, 17 July 2013 (EDT) Young Link and Toon Link are weak. Link is da boss! Awesomelink234 (talk) 18:38, 19 July 2013 (EDT) Half-votes Link is the best! 107.211.34.20 14:07, 13 July 2013 (EDT)		Votes for Young Link I play OoT almost everyday just to hear Young Link's shouts and grunts. Call me weird but I do love them. -- Conny 00:06, 13 July 2013 (EDT) What Conny said, add the fact that Majora's Mask is the best Zelda. DoctorPain99 00:08, 13 July 2013 (EDT) Again, Ocarina of Time. Dots The Editor 01:11, 13 July 2013 (EDT) Scr7 03:18, 13 July 2013 (EDT) I recently got Ocarina of Time 3D and I love it. Plus, I love Saria's Song. ChuckNorris 11:02, 13 July 2013 (EDT) My 2nd Main in Melee plus Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time rock. ----- Conanshinichi 09:27, 14 July 2013 (EDT) He drinks his milk. Bandit 16:56, 14 July 2013 (EDT) Milk- the manliest drink on the Earth.75.31.4.16 21:42, 14 July 2013 (EDT) Majora's mask. Best. Game. Ever. Deku link!Sonicmario22 (talk) 10:57, 19 July 2013 (EDT) Half-votes I am vote. NutsBazooka—Preceding unsigned comment added by NutsBazooka (talk • contribs) 17:41, 16 July 2013		Votes for Toon Link Because I find him to be the most enjoyable to play as, and I like his cartoony style.71.105.121.171 00:07, 13 July 2013 (EDT) Young Link is essentially an inferior Link, just like Pichu is an inferior Pikachu. Plus Toon Link is the only character of the three to be actually viable, and the only one to have an actually decent aerial game. Omega Tyrant 08:21, 13 July 2013 (EDT) Now while my favourite character as a character is Young Link, when we're voting on behalf of their Smash Bros. counterparts, surely my vote is obvious. Toast ltimatum 10:05, 13 July 2013 (EDT) Just because Wind Waker is on Gamecube. Terrible is Terrible 13:19, 13 July 2013 (EDT) He's Link, except actually usable.174.20.244.202 23:15, 13 July 2013 (EDT) Out of all 3 link incarnations, I think that toon link is the best and kind of stands out. To me, link was just that guy you'd play as after Mario, and I never thought young link was useful. But I enjoyed playing as toon link the most.TheAtomicFire (talk) 10:16, 14 July 2013 (EDT) One of my mains in Brawl.Tepig (talk) 19:59, 14 July 2013 (EDT) Wind Waker on Wii U! kirbyman (talk) 13:54, 15 July 2013 (EDT) The one I use in Smash. I need to actually play Wind Waker. JamesHeart 15:29, 15 July 2013 (EDT) Toon Link is my favorite character in Brawl. Link's inferior speed and air game is all but gone with this incarnation of Link. I love all of the changes made (except for decreased power and range): his damaging boomerang, the ever spammable floaty bow, and large blast range bombs are all welcome. Plus he can shoot TWO arrows in ONE short hop along with other techniques. The relatively weak kicks from the other version's aerials are replaced with sword slashes. The down aerial is a force to be reckoned with that increases Link's longevity, provides an option to deal with multiple grounded foes, and allows for powerful gimp KOs if performed right. He is by far the best version of Link. 173.58.244.205 23:08, 15 July 2013 (EDT) Half-votes toon link is a strong light swift charatcerJa (talk) 21:06, 13 July 2013 (EDT) I love TOON LINK! He is the best of the 3 Links! Preceding unsigned comment by 98.216.182.61 (talk • contribs)
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