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Round 246: Roy Koopa vs. Roy

		Winner!! Roy 2 to 9.5
Who's our boy?
Votes for Roy Koopa FE!Roy is overrated. --73.39.224.230 11:44, 25 June 2017 (EDT) I'll just give this guy a pity vote. --137.186.146.83 13:12, 29 June 2017 (EDT)			Votes for Roy Insert arbitrary 'our boy' joke here. Alex Parpotta (talk) 12:57, 24 June 2017 (EDT) Roy is a character, Roy is a costume. fLAWEDai (talk) 1:49, 24 June 2017 (EDT) The crowd never says this for the koopa: -- Ethan(Discussion) 14:02, 24 June 2017 (EDT) I'm disappointed there's no Colonel Roy Campbell in this. Aidan, the Wandering Dragon Warrior 14:09, 24 June 2017 (EDT) Roy is a great swordsman and I like him so much! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 16:54, 24 June 2017 (ED3T) Easiest decision I've ever made in my life. #FuckRoyKoopa Ragnarok320, The Toa of Fire (talk) 14:06, 26 June 2017 (EDT) Roy Koopa doesn't have a cool-looking sword. Awesomelink234 Getting down to editing~ 18:48, 27 June 2017 (EDT) Here comes our boi! ChuckNorris 17:44, 29 June 2017 (EDT) I like his playstyle more. A51 Trooper 05:07, 1 July 2017 (EDT) Half Votes No contest.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mapword (talk • contribs) 19:56, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
Comments How surprising to see another Roy match within less than a month. Sorry. Just wanted to say hi. MHStarCraft 15:52, 24 June 2017 (EDT) I do try to not have a combatant show up again too quickly, but it's not always possible amongst all the other considerations. Toomai Glittershine The Researcher 16:17, 24 June 2017 (EDT)

Round 247: Pirate Ship vs. Spirit Train

		Winner!! Pirate Ship 8 to 3
These two vehicles travel the lands once called Hyrule and carry tussles with them - what's the favoured fighting transport?
Votes for Pirate Ship The Pirate Ship debuted in Brawl and returned in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U as a DLC arena. It first appeared in Wind Waker so, this is a great place to travel the sea and have a battle. Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 10:16, 1 July 2017 (EDT) You can't fight on Spirit Train to this. Aidan, the Wandering Dragon Warrior 11:15, 1 July 2017 (EDT) I hate the 3DS version so... Alex Parpotta (talk) 19:05, 1 July 2017 (EDT) Pirate Ship has a more realizable layout. I don't like having to move 100 meters horizontally and deal with caves of life. DracoRex, Creator of the Land 19:08, 1 July 2017 (EDT) Has one of my favorite Omega forms, that's for certain. And I'm always down for a bit of Brawlstalgia. Nymbare and his talk 22:06, 2 July 2017 (EDT) Hah Wind Waker vs Spirit Tracks? No contest. Serpent King 23:36, 4 July 2017 (EDT) I have always liked Pirate Ship. A51 Trooper 19:13, 5 July 2017 (EDT) For Wii U > For 3DS. Simple as that. Everyman Or Nobody? (talk) 13:19, 9 July 2017 (EDT)			Votes for Spirit Train The launcher in the Pirate Shit is horrible. Plus, this stage is much more funner anyway. Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ 10:55, 1 July 2017 (EDT) Doesn't have anything that can instantly kill you at critical points. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 12:29, 1 July 2017 (EDT) Spirit Tracks has some of the best music in the Zelda series. ChuckNorris 22:22, 8 July 2017 (EDT)
Comments Side note, kudos to KCA for using the word "funner". Aidan, the Wandering Dragon Warrior 11:15, 1 July 2017 (EDT) So...how long are we gonna be on this round for exactly? Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 14:57, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

Round 248: Master Orders vs. Crazy Orders

		Winner!! Crazy Orders 2 to 10.5
Which variant of random challenges is preferred: short bursts of cheap events, or a long road with much higher risk and reward?
Votes for Master Orders Personally, I always found Crazy Orders limiting. I appreciate being able to "re-roll" the events on Master Orders for free without having to pay to get in. Miles (talk) 13:32, 15 July 2017 (EDT) Slightly less rage-inducing when you lose. ChuckNorris 18:09, 21 July 2017 (EDT)			Votes for Crazy Orders Bigger rewards, moar thrilling, potential to get trophies as well, and you actually get to fight Crazy Hand (and Master Hand if you're skilled enough) at the end. Plus, you can potentially more reliably end up with more gold than you started with, due to the HUGE cash prizes in later rounds. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 12:23, 15 July 2017 (EDT) In Crazy Orders, you actually get stuff way more faster than you would with crappy Master Orders. I've never liked Master Orders, either. (Also, I find Crazy Orders "funner" too) Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ 12:41, 15 July 2017 (EDT) Bigger rewards is better! Crazy Orders is awesome! More fights means more prizes! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 12:47, 15 July 2017 (EDT) The closest thing to Classic Mode from previous games. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 13:32, 15 July 2017 (EDT) Better rewards if you're good. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 13:40, 15 July 2017 (EDT) Aidan, the Wandering Dragon Warrior 17:04, 15 July 2017 (EDT) More rewarding. Smash Master 13:07, 16 July 2017 (EDT) A perfect compensation for the disappointment that is Smash U's Classic mode, and compared to Master Orders, something more than just Special Smash with rewards. DracoRex, Creator of the Land 21:45, 21 July 2017 (EDT) Greater thrill, greater challenges, and just overall greater. Harder to master, easier to get crazed over. Everyman Or Nobody? (talk) 15:15, 23 July 2017 (EDT) Much more exciting, you can go for significantly longer and get many more rewards, you can also use Crazy Orders Passes to get in for free unlike Master Orders, and they are easy to get due to Classic and All-Star.Sm4shmeister (talk) 11:05, 26 July 2017 (EDT) Half-votes Risker, more exhilarating and a way better use for all that hard earned gold! Go Crazy Orders! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skittles03 (talk • contribs) 12:56, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
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Round 249: Lucina vs. Shulk

		Winner!! Shulk 4 to 13
They both wield donut-hilted swords and wish to use them to change an unwanted future - who can see how to reach the win?
Votes for Lucina It is I, the Chrome, from the Fire Embull! Give your father a hug Lasoona!Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 12:00, 5 August 2017 (EDT) No explanation needed from me, an obvious pick. ;) 20MK_MetaKing #20MK 04:23, 6 August 2017 (EDT) She is amazing! Her attacks are great and I use her more then ANYONE! User: Mario Kart 7 Rules I'm working on it! (talk) 19:26, 20 August 2017 (EDT) Lucina is awesome. No more explanation neccesary.Mapword (talk) 07:52, 24 August 2017 (EDT)			Votes for Shulk Smash Bros already has enough Fire Emblem characters and Lucina is nothing but a female Marth. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 17:44, 5 August 2017 (EDT) I simply find Shulk superior in so many ways. Both him and Lucina stopped a terrible fate, yes, but Shulk did it in a more godlike way (literally, but that's spoilers). You also feel more powerful overall when using Shulk in his series, with everything the Monado can do and Xenoblade's more action-based gameplay. Lastly, he brought a very creative character design to SSB4 (and you know, being good in competitive play is NOT EVERYTHING that makes a character worth), and one of my favorite up to this day. On the other hand, Lucina just... disguised after someone else and that's all. Smash doesn't help her case: her moveset is completely generic (Marth has a great mechanic going for him to make him interesting... yet Lucina specifically doesn't have that at all) and her playstyle is braindead to the point I know even people who like Lucina in her games that despise her SSB4 portrayal. DracoRex, Creator of the Land 11:27, 6 August 2017 (EDT) Per Draco, basically. Shulk is one of the most mechanically interesting characters; Lucina is the opposite of that. Zyrac(talk•contribs) 18:11, 6 August 2017 (EDT) *insert obligatory "I'm really feeling it" comment here* Aidan, the Wandering Dragon Warrior 19:33, 6 August 2017 (EDT) Shulk, Riki, and Dunban from Xenoblade Chronicles! A great trio Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 17:20, 7 August 2017 (EDT) I really hate Lucina, so this is an automatic vote. Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ 18:58, 7 August 2017 (EDT) What a Wonderful World ChuckNorris 21:45, 11 August 2017 (EDT) Because Shulk is an original character, and Lucina is Marth but easier. Since the point or Marth (pun intended) is that he's tricky, why make him easier? 75.141.57.33 10:55, 14 August 2017 (EDT) Go Shulk, he's the best! He's the monado's power! Finally, a new swordsman IP that has a really cool personality from a really creative and interesting IP, Shulk also has a more intriguing and fun moveset, compared to Lucina,, who in most situations is a nerfed Marth,. I'll be honest, Lucina is obviously the better character on the tier list, which is a real shame because Shulk has potential (Quoting ZeRo by the way). Unfortunately there is a a complete underrepresentation of this awesome character though, and I'd do anything I could to push him up to the level of popularity he deserves! Skittles03, the scummy fox main (talk) 01:28, 18 August 2017 (EDT) If this was MARTH vs. Shulk, then I would be in the former's favor. But Lucina does not have anything really beneficial about her, and I'm a boy, so go, Shulk. Iron Gladiator (talk) 09:39, 19 August 2017 (EDT) I'M REALLY SMASHING IT! Did I say that right? Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 09:44, 20 August 2017 (EDT) Xenoblade was fun, and Shulk is a bit more interesting to play as. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 08:15, 24 August 2017 (EDT)
Comments How long do we wait for new Smash Arena rounds? It's been two weeks already. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 23:52, 19 August 2017 (EDT) I've been having internet problems lately. Normally, I might just try updating at a weird time or in a strange way to get around it, but in case you forgot (and who would blame you), next round is a big one and needs to be done properly. Toomai Glittershine The Resolute 08:55, 20 August 2017 (EDT) Oh I see, the next one is a milestone so it must have five matches. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 11:02, 20 August 2017 (EDT)

Round 250: The Quarter-Millenial

Dr. Mario vs. Mewtwo

		Winner!! Mewtwo 1 to 10
One's a clone in moveset, the other a clone in nature. Both missed out on Brawl and came back in SSB4 to much interest. Which wins this bout?
Votes for Dr. Mario Mewtwo is great, but I like Dr. Mario a tiny bit more. Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ 12:54, 26 August 2017 (EDT)			Votes for Mewtwo Remind me again why Dr. Mario was brought back? Aidan, the Wandering Dragon Warrior 19:14, 26 August 2017 (EDT) Dr. Mario is easily the most extraneous character in Smash, period. Miles (talk) 19:54, 26 August 2017 (EDT) You're kidding right? Mewtwo is leagues above doc. Serpent King 20:02, 26 August 2017 (EDT) I personally found Mewtwo fairly fun to play in Melee (except for his stupid tail hurtbox :|), so I'll give the vote to him here. #20MK MetaKing 21:33, 26 August 2017 (EDT) Mewtwo gets my vote! Made its return in Smash 4 after 14 years! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 22:54, 26 August 2017 (EDT) Ah, a truly tragic tale to test a toneless tune. Mewtwo! A life borne of hate! Giovanni cloned the original Pokémon, Mew, into Mewtwo to be the ultimate warrior, and strong as it might be, its power was not its choice, nor was its existence. Mewtwo did not ask to be made, let alone into a machine of rage. Its struggle forced upon it, its only choice in its debut film is to learn to overcome its dictated genetics of violence, whereas we take any positive emotions and tendencies we can muster up for granted. It had to invent its own happiness, a task hardly accomplished, let alone possible, yet still eternally dreamt for. Worse yet, all we use it for in Super Smash Bros. is the sentence Giovanni condemned it to: to fight, to kill, to hurt, demanding that it relive its horrific life of terror every single match. We, as players, are no better than the father who cursed it with consciousness, simply by playing a game. What is there to say about it's opponent? He's a doctor? My word, that certainly is the harrowing story, and it by all definitions clearly and without doubt trounces upon Mewtwo's depression-wrought misery. Everyman Or Nobody? (talk) 23:14, 28 August 2017 (EDT) Smash 4 main, so easy pick. --Mr. Loser (talk) 21:26, 31 August 2017 (EDT) I don't exactly have a problem with Doc, but I hate how they're doing nothing with him in the decloning department. Plus, Mewtwo's my favorite Pokeman in general. Disaster Flare (talk) 23:09, 1 September 2017 (EDT) I only like Dr. Mario in Smash because he's more fun to play in Smash 4 than the stale plumber, so Mewtwo is easily my go-to vote. It's somewhat like Ermac from Mortal Kombat's original timeline, an embodiment of the villain that turns into pure neutrality: it was created and enhanced by humans, but destroyed those who created it some time after ,including Dr. Fuji's cloned daugher, Ambertwo. Mewtwo was always confused on what its purpose was in the Pokémon world, but never gave up, never surrendered. Mewtwo wanted to show its power, and so it did, but also wanted to conquer the world. Eventually, the latter no longer happened, and it now traveled the world with its fellow clone friends to learn about the meaning of life, as well as to protect people in need. At first, I thought Mewtwo was a vague choice for a character in Melee, but as time passed, I grew to accept the character as one of, if not, my favorite Pokémon in general. I still use it in Smash as a secondary when I need to, and it is still one of the most interesting characters to play at a high level. In short, Mewtwo obliterates doctors (pun intended). -- Beep (talk) 14:03, 5 September 2017 (EDT) At least Mewtwo isn't an outright copy. (He is in his home series, but that's beside the point) Awesomelink234 Getting down to editing~ 17:55, 7 September 2017 (EDT)
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Tomodachi Life vs. Find Mii

		Winner!! Tomodachi Life 7 to 2
These two stages take place in two lands of the Mii with very different flavours - does the harmonious hotel or the menacing mountaintop bring in the votes?
Votes for Tomodachi Life They're both trash stages, but Tomodachi Life wins by a speck. Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ 12:54, 26 August 2017 (EDT) I enjoyed playing Tomodachi Life more than I did Find Mii. The stages are no different. Aidan, the Wandering Dragon Warrior 19:14, 26 August 2017 (EDT) Sounds like a fun stage for me! Miis everywhere! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 22:54, 26 August 2017 (EDT) I think this one is more fun, but will count this as a half vote because I like the game better. 75.141.57.33 17:56, 30 August 2017 (EDT) Stage-wise and game-wise, I prefer Tomodachi Life. I've never been fond of Find Mii and its stage. Tomodachi's stage isn't much to behold, either, but I love the game. Disaster Flare (talk) 23:09, 1 September 2017 (EDT) Much better design, and fun to peek into people's houses to see what they're doing. -- Beep (talk) 14:04, 5 September 2017 (EDT) No overpowered stage bosses here. Awesomelink234 Getting down to editing~ 17:55, 7 September 2017 (EDT)			Votes for Find Mii The soundtrack for Find Mii is astonishingly good. Miles (talk) 19:54, 26 August 2017 (EDT) It has a stage boss, that means it's automatically better. --Vinc (talk) 21:25, 31 August 2017 (EDT)
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Codec Conversations vs. Palutena's Guidance

		Winner!! Codec Conversations 9 to 6
Mission control contacts their special agent to relay absolutely critical information. Who gets the better leg-up?
Votes for Codec Conversations just Luigi's codec Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ 12:54, 26 August 2017 (EDT) Mei Ling, Samus took her clothes off!! Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 13:00, 26 August 2017 (EDT) They called Meta Knight a narcissist... Like, WTF?! XD XD XD #20MK MetaKing 13:35, 26 August 2017 (EDT) The faux-seriousness of these juxtaposed against the Smash roster was pretty fun. Miles (talk) 19:54, 26 August 2017 (EDT) Best one here! Snake and the Metal Gear Solid team chat about the Brawl roster here! My favorite codec is Mario. Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 22:54, 26 August 2017 (EDT) Mei Ling, Samus took her clothes off! Serpent King 01:58, 28 August 2017 (EDT) ^ Pretty much what Serpent said, but I also just have more bias toward Snake than I do Pit and Palutena. Pit is okay, and I merely tolerate Palutena, but I've always loved Snake and still do. Disaster Flare (talk) 23:09, 1 September 2017 (EDT) The codec conversations are an element of Smash not from a Nintendo character or series; likewise, its inclusion in Super Smash Bros. Brawl represents an increasingly relevant application of third-party themes, which I for one enjoy. Everyman Or Nobody? (talk) 19:53, 6 September 2017 (EDT) More serious than Palutena's Guidance. Awesomelink234 Getting down to editing~ 17:55, 7 September 2017 (EDT)			Votes for Palutena's Guidance More Hilarious ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 14:44, 26 August 2017 (EDT) I do enjoy some of the codecs, but Palutena's Guidance does the job much better. Uprising's constant dialogue strewn throughout the game was hilarious on its own, and this is certainly no different. Aidan, the Wandering Dragon Warrior 19:14, 26 August 2017 (EDT) More deep than Codec. It's also with characters I know and like more. Skittles03, the scummy fox main (talk) 16:49, 30 August 2017 (EDT) See the votes above this one. --Vinc (talk) 21:25, 31 August 2017 (EDT) The conversation for Robin is the one thing that pushes this one above. 75.141.57.33 17:22, 3 September 2017 (EDT) This was a very hard choice to make, if I'm being brutally honest. I grew up with Snake's Codec Conversations, and always found some of them hillarious (Snake, you know who that is? You're kidding, right? It's Mario.). I always showed interest towards Metal Gear because of its interesting gameplay, too, although I never played a single game of it. And I also liked Snake back in Brawl so, by default, I was sad he was removed in SSB4. But, the thing is, I looooved Kid Icarus Uprising, how fun the banters were, every character's personality (except Thanatos, but tbh who likes him) and design, the most notable example being Palutena, which shouldn't come off as a surprise to these people. It all makes for a perfect mix of a challenging game that was still very fun to play. I know most of the people here have mixed opinions on Palu, and that some also have expressed a distaste towards the game's overly annoying characters, like Pit and Viridi (two of which I also like), but I still love the game and the conversations nonetheless. Like I said, both of the options are so good it was hard to pick one, but in the end, this one wins by arguably the smallest of margins. -- Beep (talk) 14:17, 5 September 2017 (EDT)
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Final Cutter vs. Aether

		Winner!! Aether 6 to 7
The idea of doing a super jump with your sword isn't exactly an uncommon move, but these two do it in a very different way. Which is better?
Votes for Final Cutter self-explanatory vote Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ 12:54, 26 August 2017 (EDT) I'm a Kirby Series bias to be honest XD, so this is another auto-vote from me. #20MK MetaKing 13:32, 26 August 2017 (EDT) I'm a Kirby main. Also it makes more sense for Kirby to have such a move since he has more jumps and I kept SDing with Ike. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 14:44, 26 August 2017 (EDT) As a fan of Kirby, I enjoy this move pretty well for him. Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 22:54, 26 August 2017 (EDT) I use Kirby more, so I have more experience with the move. Also it has a wave projectile. --Vinc (talk) 21:25, 31 August 2017 (EDT) The projectile following landing can be surprisingly useful, something that Ike's Aether can not offer. Everyman Or Nobody? (talk) 19:59, 6 September 2017 (EDT)			Votes for Aether Joke's on you, Ryūtsuisen is better than both of them. Aidan, the Wandering Dragon Warrior 19:14, 26 August 2017 (EDT) Sword > Cutter anyway. Miles (talk) 19:54, 26 August 2017 (EDT) What Miles said. Serpent King 01:58, 28 August 2017 (EDT) Hits more than Cutter. Also aether is used again in a stronger form for Ike's final smash. 75.141.57.33 17:58, 30 August 2017 (EDT) Ike main here. Disaster Flare (talk) 23:09, 1 September 2017 (EDT) What SK and Miles said, also insert Ike memes here, etc, etc, etc. -- Beep (talk) 14:18, 5 September 2017 (EDT) Final Cutter doesn't have super armor. Awesomelink234 Getting down to editing~ 17:55, 7 September 2017 (EDT)
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DK Rap vs. Ashley's Song

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One track touts the powers of a bunch of simians, while the other goes on about one of Wario's comerades. Which self-promoting song jams harder?
Votes for DK Rap HE Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ 12:54, 26 August 2017 (EDT) At least this one is tolerable. I actually hate Ashley's song. It's one of those terrible ones that happen to be just so stupidly catchy that you end up with it in your head for the rest of the day. Serpent King 01:58, 28 August 2017 (EDT) His coconut guns, can fire in spurts if he shoots ya, it's gonna hurt! Skittles03, the scummy fox main (talk) 16:48, 30 August 2017 (EDT) Read the post above mine. --Vinc (talk) 21:25, 31 August 2017 (EDT) Memes Searingjet (talk) Difficult decision, but personally, I'm more fond toward DK Rap than I am Ashley's Song, even if I like both. One could say the DK64 version is better, but honestly, I've always preferred the Smash version. Not only was that the first version I was introduced to, but I also think it just aged better overall. Disaster Flare (talk) 23:09, 1 September 2017 (EDT) So they're finally here, performing for you. If you know the words, you can join in too. Put your hands together, if you want to clap. As we take you through this monkey rap. This song is all about DK and the rest of the crew! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 22:49, 2 September 2017 (EDT) (insert the entire song's lyrics here) -- Beep (talk) 14:19, 5 September 2017 (EDT) Does this even need to be said? In case it does, Ashley's song is way more annoying than this, so much that I disabled it on Gamer. Awesomelink234 Getting down to editing~ 17:55, 7 September 2017 (EDT)			Votes for Ashley's Song I'm only voting on Ashley's Song here because the DK Rap in Smash is less admirable than the original one from DK64. Ashley's Song is the other way around (and even has an alternate (and objectively better) version as well). Aidan, the Wandering Dragon Warrior 19:14, 26 August 2017 (EDT) Eh, both are overdone, but I prefer WarioWare to DK64 in general. Miles (talk) 19:54, 26 August 2017 (EDT)
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