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'''King Dedede''' ({{ja|デデデ|Dedede}}, ''Dedede'') is a playable character in ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''. His return to the series was announced on January 10th, 2014 to commemorate the release of ''{{s|wikirby|Kirby: Triple Deluxe}}'' in Japan. He is once again voiced by [[Masahiro Sakurai]], the long-time ''Kirby'' producer and the creator and director of the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series. However, he was given with more realistic versions of his ''Brawl'' voice clips. | '''King Dedede''' ({{ja|デデデ|Dedede}}, ''Dedede'') is a playable character in ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''. His return to the series was announced on January 10th, 2014 to commemorate the release of ''{{s|wikirby|Kirby: Triple Deluxe}}'' in Japan. He is once again voiced by [[Masahiro Sakurai]], the long-time ''Kirby'' producer and the creator and director of the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series. However, he was given with more realistic versions of his ''Brawl'' voice clips. | ||
King Dedede is currently ranked 52nd out of 58 on the [[tier list]], making him the second lowest ranked super heavyweight and makes him the second highest ranked bottom-tier character, which is a significant drop from his previous position in ''Brawl'', where he was ranked 12th out of 38. King Dedede's primary strength is his large [[disjointed]] range, courtesy of his hammer. In addition to his range, he also possesses some very powerful [[punish]]ing moves, such as his forward and down smash and back and down aerials, with the latter two giving him good edgeguarding potential. | King Dedede is currently ranked 52nd out of 58 on the [[tier list]], making him the second lowest ranked super heavyweight and makes him the second highest ranked bottom-tier character, which is a significant drop from his previous position in ''Brawl'', where he was ranked 12th out of 38. This also gives Dedede the distinction of having the largest tier drop from ''Brawl'' to ''Smash 4''. King Dedede's primary strength is his large [[disjointed]] range, courtesy of his hammer. In addition to his range, he also possesses some very powerful [[punish]]ing moves, such as his forward and down smash and back and down aerials, with the latter two giving him good edgeguarding potential. | ||
King Dedede also boasts arguably the greatest survivability overall in the game. He is the most difficult character to KO vertically, due to having the third highest [[weight]] and the second fastest [[falling speed]]. Despite being a fast-falling character with slow [[air speed]], King Dedede is also very difficult to KO horizontally, which is also due to his high weight and the fact that he boasts an impressive [[recovery]], due to his multiple [[midair jump]]s and [[Super Dedede Jump]]. | King Dedede also boasts arguably the greatest survivability overall in the game. He is the most difficult character to KO vertically, due to having the third highest [[weight]] and the second fastest [[falling speed]]. Despite being a fast-falling character with slow [[air speed]], King Dedede is also very difficult to KO horizontally, which is also due to his high weight and the fact that he boasts an impressive [[recovery]], due to his multiple [[midair jump]]s and [[Super Dedede Jump]]. | ||
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Another problem that King Dedede suffers from is disproportionately weak strength for a super heavyweight; his fastest moves fail to KO until very high percentages, while his slowest moves are among the most punishable in the game. He is also very vulnerable to [[camping]] as a result of his slow moveset and mobility, and he is no longer capable of doing such due to his new side special, [[Gordo Throw]], being [[reflect]]able by any attack that deals 2% or more. | Another problem that King Dedede suffers from is disproportionately weak strength for a super heavyweight; his fastest moves fail to KO until very high percentages, while his slowest moves are among the most punishable in the game. He is also very vulnerable to [[camping]] as a result of his slow moveset and mobility, and he is no longer capable of doing such due to his new side special, [[Gordo Throw]], being [[reflect]]able by any attack that deals 2% or more. | ||
As a result of his glaring flaws, King Dedede's representation and perception are both poor, though they are somewhat better in the European scene | As a result of his glaring flaws, King Dedede's representation and perception are both poor, though they are somewhat better in the European scene. However, some players, such as {{Sm|Dabuz}}, go as far as saying that King Dedede is the absolute worst character in the game. | ||
==Attributes== | ==Attributes== |
Revision as of 19:28, August 22, 2016
King Dedede in Super Smash Bros. 4 | |
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Universe | Kirby |
Other playable appearance | in Brawl |
Availability | Starter |
Final Smash | Dedede Burst |
Tier | H (52) |
King Dedede (デデデ, Dedede) is a playable character in Super Smash Bros. 4. His return to the series was announced on January 10th, 2014 to commemorate the release of Kirby: Triple Deluxe in Japan. He is once again voiced by Masahiro Sakurai, the long-time Kirby producer and the creator and director of the Super Smash Bros. series. However, he was given with more realistic versions of his Brawl voice clips.
King Dedede is currently ranked 52nd out of 58 on the tier list, making him the second lowest ranked super heavyweight and makes him the second highest ranked bottom-tier character, which is a significant drop from his previous position in Brawl, where he was ranked 12th out of 38. This also gives Dedede the distinction of having the largest tier drop from Brawl to Smash 4. King Dedede's primary strength is his large disjointed range, courtesy of his hammer. In addition to his range, he also possesses some very powerful punishing moves, such as his forward and down smash and back and down aerials, with the latter two giving him good edgeguarding potential.
King Dedede also boasts arguably the greatest survivability overall in the game. He is the most difficult character to KO vertically, due to having the third highest weight and the second fastest falling speed. Despite being a fast-falling character with slow air speed, King Dedede is also very difficult to KO horizontally, which is also due to his high weight and the fact that he boasts an impressive recovery, due to his multiple midair jumps and Super Dedede Jump.
However, King Dedede's tier drop is largely due to the weakening or total removal of moves and/or mechanics that were important to his neutral game. The most examples are the removal of chain grabbing and his back aerial, as well as his significantly worsened grab game, which has gone from one of the best to just below average.
Additionally, he retains his poor mobility and sluggish frame data from Brawl. He has one of the slowest dashing speeds and his air speed, which was already the slowest, has become even slower. King Dedede's moveset also has among the slowest moves in the game; only his down tilt, neutral aerial and standing grab are active before frame 9. These traits not only hinder King Dedede offensively, but defensively as well; alongside his large size, considerable weight and fast falling speed result, King Dedede's mobility and frame data issues result in him being among the characters that are most vulnerable to rushdowns and combos, with only his moderate gravity enabling him to not be as vulnerable as other heavyweights or fast-fallers would be to them.
Another problem that King Dedede suffers from is disproportionately weak strength for a super heavyweight; his fastest moves fail to KO until very high percentages, while his slowest moves are among the most punishable in the game. He is also very vulnerable to camping as a result of his slow moveset and mobility, and he is no longer capable of doing such due to his new side special, Gordo Throw, being reflectable by any attack that deals 2% or more.
As a result of his glaring flaws, King Dedede's representation and perception are both poor, though they are somewhat better in the European scene. However, some players, such as Dabuz, go as far as saying that King Dedede is the absolute worst character in the game.
Attributes
King Dedede is the epitome of the archetypal heavyweight character. He has a large frame, is the third heaviest among the cast, has slow walking and dashing speeds, below average traction, the slowest air speed, one of the slowest air acceleration values, the second fastest falling speed and average gravity. However, unlike his fellow super heavyweights, he possesses a weapon in the form of his signature hammer, which grants his attacks high range.
King Dedede's greatest strength is his impressive survivability. His very fast falling speed gives him the best vertical endurance in the game, while his weight alone makes his horizontal endurance among the best in the game. In addition, he is notoriously difficult to edgeguard and gimp. Despite his very high falling speed and extremely low air speed, he possesses four midair jumps. These help him stall his fall and cover long distances, as well as allowing him to edgeguard safely. His recovery does not end with his midair jumps. His up special, Super Dedede Jump, grants a very large amount of vertical distance and a good amount of horizontal distance. It also has super armor and can meteor smash, meaning that attempts to intercept it may end with the opponent getting launched.
Another advantage King Dedede has is his potent punishment game. Almost all of his attacks deal high amounts of damage and can put opponents at a disadvantage. His most useful moves at that include, but are not limited to, down tilt, down smash and his grab game. The former is also very quick for a super heavyweight, and can help him fend off opponents and set up edgeguards. His pummel is highly damaging, making it good for adding up damage before throwing the opponent. His forward throw can reliably launch opponents off-stage, while his back throw deals very high damage. Lastly, his down throw can combo into up tilt, up smash and any aerial attack bar his down aerial, making it very reliable for damage racking and giving him combos that most fellow heavyweights do not have.
However, King Dedede has numerous weaknesses. One of King Dedede's most prominent weaknesses is his polarized mobility. All of his attributes work against him, as they give him very slow horizontal movement, hindering his ability to approach and combat spacing and camping. The latter problem is more serious, as he has no useful counters against projectiles. His slow horizontal mobility leaves him vulnerable to getting juggled horizontally, while his very quick vertical mobility also leaves him vulnerable to combos at mid to high percents, and he has a hard time escaping from them once he enters enough knockback, making it very easy for other characters with reliable combos to rack up damage on him.
His special moveset also faces some issues, as it is arguably half-functional. Gordo Toss can be used for strong stage control if spaced and timed correctly, but it can be reflected by any attack that deals at least 2%, limiting its otherwise great utility and stage control effect and making it unsafe even when used from a distance. Super Dedede Jump is an amazing recovery move due to its distance and super armor, but its use is almost limited exclusively to recovering. Inhale can be used to add on pressure to the opponent and possibly score a Dededecide, but it is easily telegraphed and unsafe due to the removal of grab armor. Lastly, Jet Hammer is best used only when trying to punish an unsafe get-up attempt or when breaking a shield.
King Dedede's biggest flaw, however, is his overall moveset being underwhelming. The majority of his moves are among the slowest, along with Shulk and Ganondorf, making King Dedede prone to punishment, and due to his vulnerability to combos, he will have to read his opponents more often than not to land a move and prevent getting punished. His fastest moves (down tilt and neutral aerial) come out on frame 6, though repeatedly using them can render Dedede easy to punish. On top of that, his overall moveset is among the weakest of all heavyweights, with very few moves being capable of reliably KOing before 80%, and said moves (except down smash and back aerial) being easy to punish before or after they connect.
King Dedede is one of the few characters that has the least effective custom moves in the game, as he has only three that either match or surpass the utility of his default special moves: Topspin Gordo, Bouncing Gordo and Rising Dedede. Topspin Gordo has consistent power and moves much faster, giving it much more range, but starts up slower and does not last as long. Bouncing Gordo is electric and allows for stage control and pressure, but is much weaker. Rising Dedede maintains its super armor while having a strong hitbox on the way up, making it impossible to interrupt his recovery, and cancels immediately at the apex of the jump, making it able to grab the edge at anytime but removes its very powerful descending hitbox. All of his other custom moves have very situational advantages and are overshadowed by their disadvantages, with Dedede Storm, Taste Test, and Armored Jet Hammer being the most notorious examples. Dedede Storm has much slower start-up and ending lag than Inhale, removes Dededecide, is a multiple hitting move that cannot connect after 100%, and lacks strong hitboxes, preventing it from KOing even well over 200%. Taste Test spits opponents out instantly, preventing Dedede from sending the opponent off-stage, which allows them to exploit Dedede's infamous neutral game. Armored Jet Hammer offers super armor on charge, but causes recoil damage faster, is drastically weaker to the point where a fully charged blow is weaker than an uncharged hit by the default, and has severe ending lag to the point where one can jump from the top of Battlefield and use it and then be unable to move until Dedede lands on the main platform.
Overall, King Dedede's weaknesses outweigh his strengths, resulting in very low tournament representation and being poorly regarded in the western scene, with only Big D achieving arguably notable results. However, he is viewed more favorably in the European scene, courtesy of El_Bardo achieving strong tournament results to his credit.
Changes from Brawl
King Dedede has received a mix of buffs and nerfs in the transition from Brawl to SSB4, but he is considered to be significantly nerfed overall. Several of his moves have been heavily altered or changed entirely, which has resulted in both positive and negative changes to his playstyle, though despite his buffs, his nerfs are much more prevalent due to his worse frame data and the loss of many of the traits that made him a formidable character in Brawl.
The most notable positives that these changes bring are his new down tilt, new forward aerial, new side special Gordo Toss, and his down special, Jet Hammer. Dedede's new down tilt has faster start-up and travels a long distance, making it one of his best defensive moves (out of shield, after a smash attack, etc). His new forward aerial has less start-up, and more favorable hitbox placement than in Brawl. Unlike Waddle Dee Toss, Gordo Toss deals a consistent amount of damage, fairly high knockback, and can even be used to "pinball" opponents by using their tumbling momentum to Dedede's advantage by trapping them between a Gordo and Dedede due to the ability to angle a Gordo's trajectory, which improves his neutral game. Lastly, Jet Hammer has been noticeably buffed in terms of range and the recoil damage, and due to the addition of rage combined with his high survivability and weight, it is a much better move both onstage and for ledge-guarding. As a result, these three new moves and Jet Hammer are noticeably more versatile than their previous iterations in Brawl. Some of the gameplay changes brought about by SSB4 have also helped Dedede. He is now less susceptible to projectile camping due to the universal nerf to campable projectiles, and he can utilize the rage mechanic very effectively due to his considerable weight, which supplements his high power.
However, the aforementioned new move alterations and changes to gameplay mechanics have also brought drawbacks that drastically outweigh the aforementioned positives despite having a less polarized moveset than Brawl. The most notable examples are his up tilt, new back aerial, and especially his new down throw all losing their versatility due to the former losing its KO power, the second losing its fast startup and lingering hitbox (both up tilt and back aerial also lost their consistent strength), and the latter being affected by SSB4's removal of chain grabbing. Dedede's renowned grab game was also nerfed even further due to his grab range being reduced. Dedede's new moves, despite bringing nice buffs, have also brought some drawbacks as well, such as his down tilt losing its KO power, his forward aerial no longer autocanceling in a short hop and Gordo Toss being able to be reflected by any hitbox that deals at least 2% of damage, which also hurts the previous anti-camping abilities the Waddle Dee Toss had in Brawl. Despite zoning having been nerfed, Dedede still arguably has the hardest time dealing with it. His excellent recovery has also got both buffs and nerfs, as Super Dedede Jump can now grab ledges, but his already poor air speed was lowered even further. The latter nerf also worsens his already poor mobility overall, despite his improved ground mobility and fast-falling speed. Lastly, the changes to hitstun canceling also significantly harm Dedede as it lowers his vertical endurance and makes him an easy victim of combos, which is further compounded by the introduction of more versatile combo throws than he has. As a result, King Dedede is significantly less effective than he was in Brawl, alongside Jigglypuff, Olimar, Falco, Marth and fellow representative Meta Knight. However, it is important to notice that the latter three have received noticeable, direct buffs over time by game updates, while Dedede has been directly nerfed in them. Due to this, and unlike these characters, he is overall seen as non-viable in competitive play.
Aesthetics
- King Dedede has a more cartoonish and brightly colored appearance due to the new aesthetic used in SSB4, making his design appear similar to his design in Kirby: Right Back at Ya!. His attire also sports a graphical effect that accentuates the fuzz on his robes and crown, while his pupils are also smaller than they are in Brawl. Lastly, he has gained even more exaggerated facial expressions.
- The sound King Dedede emits during his up taunt is now in sync with the animation, regardless of the direction he is facing.
Attributes
- Like other large characters, such as Donkey Kong and Bowser, King Dedede's general size in proportion to the other playable characters is also greater than in previous installments. This improves his reach, but makes his hurtbox larger, making him easier to hit.
- The changes to hitstun canceling significantly hinder King Dedede, as they make him very susceptible to combos. It also means he can no longer momentum cancel, hindering his vertical endurance despite being heavier than in Brawl. However, he still has the best vertical endurance among the cast due to his heavier weight.
- King Dedede is heavier (112 → 119), improving his endurance but making him more susceptible to combos.
- King Dedede walks faster (0.95 → 0.98).
- King Dedede dashes faster (1.22 → 1.36).
- King Dedede's air speed is slower (0.658 → 0.63), hindering his aerial mobility and making him even more susceptible to horizontal juggling.
- King Dedede's fast falling speed is faster (2.73 → 3.12), making him less susceptible to vertical juggling.
- King Dedede's gravity is higher (0.0837 → 0.08788), hindering his endurance and making him more susceptible to combos, but allowing him to reach his falling speed faster.
- Jump is higher.
- King Dedede's soft landing is faster (5 frames → 2).
- King Dedede's item throw is stronger (1 → 1.063).
- Roll has increased ending lag (IASA 32 → 33).
- Sidestep has increased start-up and ending lag (IASA 27 → 28). It also has a shorter duration (frame 2-20 → 4-19).
- Air dodge has decreased ending lag (IASA 39 → 34).
Ground attacks
- Neutral attack deals less damage (6% → 4% (hit 1), 5% → 4% (hit 2), 2% → 1% (loop hits)) and has smaller hitboxes (6u/3.5u → 2.5u (hits 1-2), 4u/5u/7u → 2u/3u/7u (loop)). The second hit can also no longer trip opponents.
- Neutral attack's hits connect together better due to the first hit having slightly decreased start-up (frame 12 → 10) and the second hit being able to be interrupted significantly faster (frame 50 → 28). The neutral infinite now has a finisher, an upward hammer swing, that deals 3% and high knockback (80 (base)/150 (scaling)). This improves its utility potential and safety.
- Neutral attack has altered knockback (20/25/35 (set)/100 (scaling) → 50/48 (base)/25 (set)/10/100 (scaling) (hit 1), 20 (base)/50 (scaling) → 50/30 (base)/10/45 (scaling) (hit 2), 30 (base)/20 (scaling) → 60/20/2 (set)/100 (scaling) (loop hits)) and altered angles (361°/80° → 75°/105°/361° (hit 1), 85° → 115°/105°/100° (hit 2), 30° → 70° (loop hits)).
- Forward tilt deals more damage (6%/4% → 11%) due to consisting of five hits instead of one, it has a larger hitbox (4.5u → 8u) and it lasts 1 frame longer (frame 12-22 → 12-23). The last hit also has increased knockback (20 (base)/80/100 (scaling) → 30/190), granting it KO potential at very high percentages.
- Forward tilt has increased ending lag (20 frames → 26). King Dedede also now holds his hammer from the middle of it rather than the end, decreasing its reach.
- Forward tilt has an altered angle (65° → 50°).
- Up tilt has increased horizontal reach (6u → 8u), especially in front of King Dedede, making it slightly easier to land.
- Up tilt has received a sourspot on its later portion that deals 2% less damage (12% → 10%) and has increased start-up (frame 7 → 9) and ending lag (25 frames → 29). It also has significantly decreased knockback (30 (base)/120 (scaling) → 50/80), hindering its KO potential.
- King Dedede has a new down tilt, a forward rolling tackle. Compared to the previous down tilt, it deals more knockback (20/10 (base)/100 (scaling) → 60/75), has a larger hitbox (6u/4u → 7u/5u) and less start-up (frame 7 → 6), making it more useful and versatile.
- Down tilt launches opponents at a higher angle (361° → 38°), making it less effective at KOing at very high percentages compared to the previous down tilt, despite its increased knockback. It also lasts 2 frames shorter (10 frames → 8), has more ending lag (25 frames → 27) and can miss if used too close to the opponent.
- Dash attack deals consistent damage (16%/14% → 16%), but has received a sourspot that deals 1% less damage compared to the hitbox on King Dedede's body (14% → 13%). It also has increased hitlag (1x → 1.2x). This makes it safer on shield, but easier to DI.
- Dash attack has increased knockback (35 (base)/95 (scaling) → 40/100) and a larger hitbox (5u → 7u/6u).
- Dash attack can now miss if used too close to the opponent.
- Sourspotted forward smash deals more damage (13% → 15% (early), 5% → 6% (late)) and the early hit has increased knockback scaling (90 → 93), though they are still drastically weaker than the sweetspot. Sweetspotted forward smash also has a larger hitbox (5.7u → 6u).
- Sweetspotted forward smash has altered knockback (55 (base)/90 (scaling) → 30/93), hindering its KO potential. However, it is still the strongest forward smash in the game. Early sourspotted forward smash also has a smaller hitbox (4.7u → 4.69999u).
- Late sourspotted forward smash has an altered angle (80° → 60°).
- Up smash has decreased start-up and a longer duration (frame 20-24 → 17-24).
- Down smash deals 2% less damage (15% → 13%) and lasts 1 frame shorter (10 frames → 9), making it weaker despite its increased base knockback (50 (base)/82 (scaling) → 60/80).
- Down smash has altered angles (105°/80°/50° → 30°/361°), making it capable of semi-spiking opponents. This improves its utility, especially for edgeguarding.
Aerial attacks
- Neutral aerial has increased knockback (30 (base)/85 (scaling) → 40/95 (clean), 30 (base) → 40 (late)) and a larger hitbox (9u → 10u (clean), 5u → 6u (late)).
- King Dedede has a new forward aerial, a downward hammer swing. Compared to the previous forward aerial, it deals 3% less damage (15% → 12%), has more ending lag (22 frames → 27) and a longer autocancel frame (frame 34 → 40). This results in it being unable to autocancel from a short hop.
- Forward aerial has faster start-up (frame 16 → 13) and a much more favorable hitbox placement with increased reach (7.5u/4u → 8u/5u). This makes it much easier to land and better for combos compared to the previous forward aerial.
- King Dedede has a new back aerial, an upward hammer swing. It deals 3% more damage (13% → 16%) and has increased range (8.5u/7u → 10u), making it better for KOing compared to the previous back aerial.
- Back aerial has significantly more start-up and ending lag (8 frames → 20), a much shorter duration (frame 6-25 → 17-19), and cannot trip opponents. This makes it much less versatile compared to the previous back aerial.
- Back aerial has different knockback (20 (base)/100 (scaling) → 30/88) compared to the previous back aerial.
- Back aerial has increased hitlag (1x → 1.2x). This makes it safer on shield, but easier to DI.
- Up aerial's loop hits deal 1% less damage (2% → 1%), decreasing the move's overall damage potential by 7% (19% → 12%).
- Up aerial's last hit has increased knockback scaling (130 → 150), improving its KO potential. The multiple hits also have altered angles (60°/120°/95° → 366°/90°). When coupled with the universal nerf to SDI, this improves its trapping ability.
- King Dedede has a new down aerial, a downward hammer swing. Compared to the previous down aerial, it deals 2% less damage (17% → 15%) due to consisting of one hit instead of seven, has significantly increased start-up without the long duration (frame 9-27 → 22-23) and has a sourspot at the hammer's handle that deals 9% less damage (17% → 8%). This makes it lack the pressuring and anti-juggling abilities that the previous down aerial had.
- Down aerial has larger hitboxes (4u/5u/6.5u → 5.5u/6u/8.5u). It also meteor smashes aerial opponents if the hammer's whole head lands (70°/80° → 270°) and launches grounded opponents at the Sakurai angle. This makes it a very powerful edgeguarding option and a powerful, though situational, on-stage KOing option compared to the previous down aerial.
- Sweetspotted down aerial has increased hitlag (1x → 1.5x). This makes it safer on shield, but easier to DI.
Throws/other attacks
- The removal of chain grabbing both helps and hinders King Dedede. While it results in him no longer being very susceptible to them, it also removes one of the most pivotal aspects of his playstyle.
- All grabs' ranges have decreased.
- Standing grab and pivot grab have increased start-up (frame 6 → 7 (standing), frame 7 → 10 (pivot)).
- Dash grab has slightly decreased ending lag, making it less punishable when missed.
- Dash grab's animation has changed. King Dedede no longer stumbles over when he misses it.
- Forward, back, and down throws deal less damage (12% → 10% (forward), 16% → 13% (back), 8% → 6% (down)).
- Back throw has an altered angle (361° → 60°). When coupled with its decreased damage output, this hinders its KO potential, despite its increased knockback scaling (65 → 79).
- The changes to hitstun canceling improve up throw's follow-up potential into up aerial at low percentages.
- King Dedede has a new down throw, a one-handed body slam. Compared to the previous down throw, it launches opponents at a vertical angle (20° → 80°), making it better for combos.
- Down throw no longer has set knockback (80 (set)/100 (scaling) → 70 (base)/82 (scaling)).
- Floor attack deals 1% more damage (6% → 7%), though its knockback scaling was compensated (50 → 48). It also has an altered angle (361° → 48°).
- King Dedede's intangible and very far-reaching 100%+ edge attack was removed, leaving him with a significantly inferior edge attack at high percentages.
- Edge attack no longer has set knockback (110 (set)/100 (scaling) → 20 (base)/90 (scaling)).
Special moves
- The removal of grab armor hinders Inhale's utility as a defensive landing option, as trades will now result in Dedede getting hit instead of Inhaling the opponent.
- King Dedede has a new side special, Gordo Toss. Dedede takes out a Gordo and hits it with his hammer, bouncing it along the ground. Compared to Waddle Dee Toss, Gordo Toss is much more consistent both as a projectile and in power. Gordo Toss' ability to bounce the Gordos in different trajectories also gives the move greater trapping capabilities. The hammer swing used to perform the move also produces a hitbox on the hammer that deals 12%, which can also hit opponents into the subsequently tossed Gordo for immense damage. Additionally, Gordo Toss can hit twice depending on the opponent's position.
- Gordo Toss deals 8% less damage (22% → 14%) compared to Waddle Dee Toss' Gordos. Unlike Waddle Dee Toss, Gordo Toss lacks anti-camping potential due to its Gordos being susceptible to reflection by any hitbox that deals at least 2%.
- King Dedede can now grab edges during Super Dedede Jump's ascent as long as he is facing the stage, improving its safety. Super Dedede Jump's landing hit can now bury grounded opponents. Although Super Dedede Jump's landing hit no longer deals extra shield damage (3 → 0), it is heavily compensated with the removal of damage reduction on shields. This improves its shield breaking potential.
- As a result of Dedede's faster fast falling speed, Super Dedede Jump descends faster. It is also now canceled by pressing up instead of down.
- The new edge mechanics improve Jet Hammer's edgeguarding potential. The 19% damage increase to shields and the significant increase to shieldstun also both significantly improve fully charged Jet Hammer's shield breaking potential. Fully charged Jet Hammer's recoil damage also stops earlier (150% → 100%) and when coupled with the introduction of rage, its recoil damage is now a double-edged sword rather than a sole hindrance. The move also has a larger hitbox (7u → 7.5u).
- Uncharged Jet Hammer has increased base knockback (20 → 30) and decreased start-up (frame 29 → 27).
- Fully charged Jet Hammer now has a consistent angle (361°/80° → 361°).
- Fully charged grounded Jet Hammer deals 8% more damage (30%/20% → 38%/28%), though its knockback was compensated (30 (base)/80 (scaling) → 5/66).
- Sweetspotted fully charged aerial Jet Hammer deals 1% less damage (28% → 27%) and has decreased knockback (30 (base)/80 (scaling) → 10/70). Uncharged Jet Hammer lasts 1 frame shorter (3 frames → 2).
- Jet Hammer's animation has changed. It now produces much more intense lighting that visually brightens the surrounding area, an aesthetic wind effect and its fully charged swing is more exaggerated. King Dedede also visibly sweats with a grimacing facial expression when using the move.
- King Dedede has a new Final Smash, Dedede Burst. Compared to Waddle Dee Army, it is a trapping Final Smash with average initial range and KO potential of a standard Final Smash, making it significantly more reliable at KOing. Unlike Waddle Dee Army, Dedede Burst deals a fixed amount of damage (46%), making it less damaging overall. It is also the only trapping Final Smash that can be escaped from.
Update history
Despite his poorly regarded status, King Dedede has been nerfed in game updates. Update 1.0.4 weakened Dedede's forward aerial, which makes him easier to be punished at low percentages even on hit. It also strengthened his down throw, which makes follow-ups harder to perform and did not grant it KO potential in return. Gordo Toss was made riskier, due to Gordos becoming slightly smaller and requiring only 2% to be reflected back, while Dedede Burst was tweaked to the point that it can now be avoided by air dodging.
On the other hand, Dedede indirectly benefits from the changes to shield mechanics brought by update 1.1.1, as his moves are safer on shield due to their high damage outputs, high hitlag and/or multiple hitting properties, though this does not compensate properly for the previous nerfs.
Lastly, King Dedede was, yet again, nerfed in update 1.1.4 by reducing his air speed, to the point he is now slower than Shield-boosted Shulk. As a result, he is slightly worse than he was during the game's initial release.
- Forward aerial deals 1% less damage: 13% → 12%.
- Down throw's angle altered: 70° → 80°, making it less susceptible to DI.
- Down throw's knockback scaling increased: 60 → 82. This hampers its combo ability at higher percents.
- All variations of Gordo Throw require 1% less damage to be reflected: 3% → 2%.
- All variations of Gordo Throw have had their hitbox sizes decreased by 0.4 units.
- Dedede Burst's hammer hits transition into each other faster.
- Due to the above change and the lower knockback on each hit, characters can now air dodge out of and escape Dedede Burst.
- Super Dedede Jump's voice clip changed.
- King Dedede's name now takes up one line in both the character selection screen and the results screen.
- Timing for Inhale and Taste Test modified.
- Facing restriction for Super Dedede Jump modified.
- Air speed decreased: 0.658 → 0.63.
Moveset
Name | Damage | Description | ||
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Neutral attack | 4% | A pair of hammer swings followed by a twirling hammer attack that traps the opponent followed by with an upward swing. Due to coming out on frame 10, it is the second slowest neutral attack in the game, being surpassed only by Zelda's by 1 frame. However, King Dedede's has a hugely disjointed range and can be used in a zero-to-death combo. Unlike most neutral infinites, its finisher launches opponents at a nearly vertical trajectory and has KO potential, though around 150%. When jab canceled, it can be followed up reliably with down tilt and down throw, which can lead into decently damaging combos even up to very high percentages. | ||
4% | ||||
1% (loop), 3% (last) | ||||
Forward tilt | 2% (hits 1-4), 3% (hit 5) | A spinning hammer poke. Very good range, though its fourth hitbox can only connect if the move lands at the tip of the hammer. However, its rather long ending lag makes this move unsafe if it does not connect at its highest range. | ||
Up tilt | 12% (body), 10% (head) | An upward headbutt. King Dedede's head and upper body are intangible while its hitbox is active. | ||
Down tilt | 10% (clean), 6% (late) | A rolling tackle. Its very fast start-up makes it capable of being used after most defensive options and attacks, as a good out of shield option, or for disrupting opponents. | ||
Dash attack | 16% (clean), 13% (late) | His signature belly flopping tackle. A slow and powerful KOing option, it is strongest dash attack in the game and is even stronger than some of the cast's smash attacks, KOing at around 80% near the edge due to its exceptionally high knockback. Originates from Kirby's Dream Land. | ||
Forward smash | 15% (early), 24% (clean), 6% (late) | Rears his hammer back and slams it down. The strongest and second most damaging forward smash in the game, with equal KO power to match, and only being surpassed by Lucario's forward smash with max aura. It has the slowset start-up of any smash attack, however, but also rather low ending lag for its power, making it more difficult to punish head-on than expected. It also has transcendent priority. Originates from Kirby's Dream Land. | ||
Up smash | 14% (hammer), 9% (body) | An upward hammer swing. Relatively slow compared to his up tilt, but less situational than in Brawl. Great vertical knockback if hit by the hammer's head, KOing at around 115%. However, it can miss against short characters during the move's start-up as the attack does not possess a hitbox directly in front of him. It also has transcendent priority. | ||
Down smash | 13% | A spinning hammer swing. King Dedede's weakest smash attack, but the hammer's head is a semi-spike, making it one of his quickest and most reliable ground finishers, KOing under 100% near the edge. It also has transcendent priority. Appears very similar to the Giant Dedede Swing from Kirby's Return to Dream Land. | ||
Neutral aerial | 12% (clean), 7% (late) | A belly flop. Functions like a sex kick, though unlike the majority of them, it has transcendent priority. When coupled with a fast fall, its late hit has follow-up potential. | ||
Forward aerial | 12% | A downward swing. At low percentages, it can combo into itself to drag opponents downward and off-stage. This can be fatal for characters with unimpressive recoveries, such as Roy, Little Mac or Cloud. | ||
Back aerial | 16% | An upward swing. Deals impressive damage and knockback, which enables it to KO reliably below 130%. It also autocancels from a short hop. | ||
Up aerial | 1% (hits 1-7), 5% (hit 8) | An upward hammer twirl. Has low lag and is quite strong for a multiple hitting move, being able to KO below 130%. It can drag opponents down, similarly to Greninja's up aerial. It is also useful for fending off edgeguarders while recovering. | ||
Down aerial | 15% (hammer head), 8% (handle) | A downward swing. The sweetspot is a very powerful meteor smash only on aerial opponents. On grounded opponents, it deals high horizontal knockback, KOing at around 100% near the edge. | ||
Grab | — | Reaches out with his free hand. | ||
Pummel | 3% | A headbutt. Moderately slow, but one of the most damaging pummels in the game. | ||
Forward throw | 4% (hit 1), 6% (throw) | Whacks the opponent forward with his hammer. | ||
Back throw | 4% (hit 1), 9% (throw) | Whacks the opponent backward with his hammer, though at a higher angle. King Dedede's strongest throw, but due to the fact it launches at a very high angle, it does not KO until very high percentages, depending on the opponent's weight and DI. It is better at damage racking due to these factors. | ||
Up throw | 4% (hit 1), 5% (throw) | A jump set, a technique used in volleyball. Can lead into up aerial at low to medium percentages. | ||
Down throw | 6% | A one-handed body slam. King Dedede's best combo starter, it can initiate true combos into his up tilt, up smash and neutral, forward, up or back aerials until medium percentages. The up aerial combo can also be used until high percentages as a KO set-up while the back aerial combo can rack up damage. | ||
Forward roll Back roll Spot dodge Air dodge |
— | — | ||
Techs | — | — | ||
Floor attack (front) Floor getups (front) |
7% | |||
Floor attack (back) Floor getups (back) |
7% | |||
Floor attack (trip) Floor getups (trip) |
5% | |||
Edge attack Edge getups |
8% | Performs a kick after climbing up. | ||
Neutral special | Default | Inhale | 5% (release), 10% (spit) | Inhales the opponent. While they have been Inhaled, King Dedede can then walk around and spit them out to inflict damage. This move can also can also be used to swallow projectiles and items. Unlike Kirby's Inhale, Dedede will not be damaged or be healed upon Inhaling explosive or non-explosive items. |
Custom 1 | Dedede Storm | 2% (loop), 3% (outer hit) | Instead of Inhaling opponents, King Dedede will vacuum the opponent toward him, which hits multiple times, before exhaling them upward with the last hit. Will stop connecting reliably around the 100% range on most characters and usually cannot KO until the 200% range due to its lack of strong hitboxes throughout its duration. | |
Custom 2 | Taste Test | 5% (release), 12% (spit) | Inhales faster and the spit deals slightly more damage. However, opponents are spit out immediately instead of being kept inside King Dedede's mouth. | |
Side special | Default | Gordo Throw | 10% (hammer), 14%/12.5%/11%/9.5% (Gordo) | Hits a bouncing Gordo with his hammer. Its trajectory can be angled upward, forward, or downward. The Gordos disappear after four bounces. Additionally, they can be reflected by any attack dealing at least 2%. Of further note is that Dedede can hit opponents with the hammer swing used to serve the Gordo, potentially leading into a hit by both the hammer and Gordo for a considerable amount of damage. |
Custom 1 | Topspin Gordo | 10% (hammer), 11% (Gordo) | Throws Gordos that do not go far initially, but fly forward upon bouncing. Disappears after a second bounce. | |
Custom 2 | Bouncing Gordo | 10% (hammer), 6% (Gordo) | The Gordos are electrified and bounce back and forth. Angling the move changes the Gordo's trajectory significantly. | |
Up special | Default | Super Dedede Jump | 15% (drop), 11% (landing), 5% (stars) | His signature jump, which ends with him descending devastating double foot stomp that buries grounded opponents on impact. Aerial opponents hit by the stomp are meteor smashed. Like Yoshi Bomb, it emits stars on both sides after King Dedede's stomp, which can make it difficult to punish, especially against characters that lack a projectile. This move cannot grab ledges on descent, unless it is canceled. If cancelled too late efore landing, Dedede will suffer massive landing lag that lasts more than a second. |
Custom 1 | Rising Dedede | 15% (clean), 12% (late) | Instead of stomping, King Dedede deals damage during the jump and then descends into helplessness. If Dedede descends less distance than he ascended, he will suffer the severe landing lag he would normally receive if the default move was canceled too late. | |
Custom 2 | Quick Dedede Jump | 10% (drop), 5% (stars) | Jumps faster, but the stomp is also weaker and lower than the default. | |
Down special | Default | Jet Hammer | 11% (uncharged grounded), 10% (uncharged aerial), 38%/28% (fully charged grounded), 27%/16% (fully charged aerial) | Activates the afterburner in his hammer to perform a stronger swing. It deals recoil damage if King Dedede holds it when fully charged. A fully charged Jet Hammer can easily KO opponents below 50% near the edge. At 100%, King Dedede will not receive recoil. |
Custom 1 | Armored Jet Hammer | 9% (uncharged), 24%/20% (fully charged grounded), 22%/15% (fully charged aerial) | Grants an immunity to flinching while charging on the ground. However, the swing is significantly weaker, not KOing until 150%, while also dealing recoil damage faster. | |
Custom 2 | Dash Jet Hammer | 7%/6% (uncharged), 18%/16% (fully charged) | Charging pushes King Dedede backward, while unleashing it propels him forward at the expense of damage. | |
Final Smash | Dedede Burst | 10% (hits 1-3), 1% (hit 4), 15% (hit 5) | He violently inhales the opponent into place, strikes them three times with his hammer aflame, then fires a bomb out of it, launching the opponent diagonally. It can KO at 47%, however, this Final Smash can be escaped from, making it unreliable to use on most opponents. |
On-screen appearance
- He is carried in on a palanquin by four Waddle Dees, then jumps off, scattering them.
Taunts
- Up taunt: Hoists his hammer above his head and pumps it up and down while vocalizing.
- Side taunt: Spins his hammer while looking at the camera and laughing.
- Down taunt: Dances in a circle while drumming on his belly and vocalizing.
Up taunt | Side taunt | Down taunt |
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Idle poses
- Taps his hammer on his shoulder.
- Smacks his belly.
Crowd cheer
English | Japanese | |
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Cheer | ||
Description | De-De-De! De-De-De! Dedededededede! | De-De-De! De-De-De! Dedededededede! |
Pitch | Group chant | Group chant |
Victory poses
- Slaps his belly twice with the sound of a bongo drumbeat as he leans on his hammer with one arm and a Waddle Dee stands nearby. Afterward, he continues to rub his belly with his free hand as he laughs gloatingly.
- Slams his hammer down on both sides of him, then looks towards the screen.
- Spins his hammer into the air and finishes with a pose while sporting a strained and angry facial expression or the same expression that sees his eyelids slightly adjust at the end of the animation, resulting in his expression simply looking tense and no longer angry.
In competitive play
Official Custom Moveset Project
Character | Custom sets available | ||||
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King Dedede | 3112 | 3122 | 3312 | 3322 | 1122 |
1312 | 1322 | 2112 | 2122 | 2312 |
Notable players
Active
Inactive
Trophies
- King Dedede
- Being a self-proclaimed king, Dedede clearly doesn't care too much about the whole "politics" thing. He's just a bit greedy. In this game, his weight and hefty hammer make him slow, but he can still jump four times in mid-air anyway, making it easy for him to get back to the stage. Fully charge his Jet Hammer for ultimate destruction.
- King Dedede (Alt.)
- For the Gordo Throw side special, King Dedede hits a Gordo with his hammer, sending it bouncing along the stage. It'll bounce off walls, or sometimes get stuck in them. Then, after a while, it'll disappear. If an enemy hits the Gordo with an attack, it'll fly back towards you. Use the special again to whack it back at them!
- Dedede Burst
- For Dedede's Final Smash, he takes a deep breath, pulling his foes toward him. Once he's gotten them right where he wants them, he'll unleash blows from his giant burning hammer. Topping things off is an explosive from the end of the hammer, sending enemies flying. Could this be worse for his foes? Yes! He's invincible the whole time too!
- For Dedede's Final Smash, he inhales fiercely to pull foes towards him. Once he's got them right where he wants them, he thrashes them with a giant burning hammer. Then, to top it off, he fires an explosive from his hammer, sending them blasting off. Could it get any worse? Well... yes - Dedede's invincible the entire time.
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Alt. (3DS)
In Event Matches
Solo Events
- All-Star Battle: Brawl: King Dedede is one of the opponents fought in this event. All opponents debuted in Brawl.
- Kirby's Crazy Appetite: As Kirby, the player must heal by eating food on the stage while three King Dededes try to hinder his progress.
- The Final Battle: The player must defeat King Dedede, Bowser and Ganondorf.
- The King Strikes Back: King Dedede must defeat Kirby in a Stamina Battle.
Co-op Events
- Final Battle Team-Up: King Dedede appears as an opponent to be defeated.
- Food Fight: A damaged King Dedede and Kirby must defeat Wario, Yoshi, and Pac-Man.
- The Ultimate Battle: Two players select a character and must defeat the entire roster.
- Wrecking Bros.: Mario and Luigi must destroy the entirety of Wrecking Crew while King Dedede and Wario try to interfere.
Alternate costumes
File:KingDededeHeadBrownSSB4-U.png |
Gallery
King Dedede's amiibo.
Using his neutral aerial with Kirby.
Charging Jet Hammer on Mario Galaxy.
One of King Dedede's idle poses.
King Dedede fighting Villager.
Using Super Dedede Jump.
Using his dash attack on Little Mac.
King Dedede while stunned.
King Dedede crouching in front of Wii Fit Trainer...
"Ah--soft and squishy." [1]
Using his new Final Smash, Dedede Burst.
Trivia
- King Dedede and Mega Man are the only characters that have projectiles that can stick to walls.
Fighters in Super Smash Bros. 4 | |
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Veterans | Bowser · Captain Falcon · Charizard · Diddy Kong · Donkey Kong · Dr. Mario · Falco · Fox · Ganondorf · Ike · Jigglypuff · King Dedede · Kirby · Link · Lucario · Lucas · Luigi · Mario · Marth · Meta Knight · Mewtwo · Mr. Game & Watch · Ness · Olimar · Peach · Pikachu · Pit · R.O.B. · Roy · Samus · Sheik · Sonic · Toon Link · Wario · Yoshi · Zelda · Zero Suit Samus |
Newcomers | Bayonetta · Bowser Jr. · Cloud · Corrin · Dark Pit · Duck Hunt · Greninja · Little Mac · Lucina · Mega Man · Mii Fighter (Mii Brawler · Mii Gunner · Mii Swordfighter) · Pac-Man · Palutena · Robin · Rosalina & Luma · Ryu · Shulk · Villager · Wii Fit Trainer |
Kirby universe | |
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Fighters | Kirby (SSB · SSBM · SSBB · SSB4 · SSBU) · Meta Knight (SSBB · SSB4 · SSBU) · King Dedede (SSBB · SSB4 · SSBU) |
Assist Trophies | Knuckle Joe · Nightmare · Chef Kawasaki |
Bosses | Giant Kirby · Marx |
Stages | Dream Land · Fountain of Dreams · Green Greens · Halberd · Dream Land GB · The Great Cave Offensive |
Items | Maxim Tomato · Star Rod · Parasol · Warp Star · Apple · Dragoon · Superspicy Curry · Bomber |
Enemies | Bonkers · Bronto Burt · Gordo · Parasol Waddle Dee · Plasma Wisp · Shotzo · Tac · Waddle Dee · Waddle Doo |
Other | Gourmet Race · Whispy Woods |
Trophies, Stickers and Spirits | Trophies (SSBM · SSBB · SSB4) · Stickers · Spirits |
Music | Brawl · SSB4 · Ultimate |
Masterpieces | Kirby's Dream Land · Kirby's Adventure · Kirby Super Star |