User:Cookies and Creme/Smash 4 Opinions
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An archive of some of my terrible opinions from a while back.
PGR 100 Predictions[edit]
Ranking | Smasher | PGR 1 | PGR 2 | PGR 3 | PGR 4 | PGR 5 | Character(s) | Actual Placement |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1st | ZeRo | 1st | 1st | 1st | 1st | --- | 1st | |
2nd | MkLeo | 19th | 8th | 2nd | 4th | 1st | 3rd | |
3rd | Nairo | 2nd | 3rd | 3rd | 3rd | 4th | 2nd | |
4th | Dabuz | 3rd | 4th | 4th | 6th | 3rd | 4th | |
5th | Tweek | 15th | 17th | 12th | 6th | 2nd | 7th | |
6th | Mr. R | 4th | 10th | 9th | 10th | 8th | 10th | |
7th | Larry Lurr | 7th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 16th | 8th | |
8th | Abadango | 5th | 7th | 10th | 15th | 15th | 13th | |
9th | Salem | --- | 13th | 11th | 2nd | 5th | 6th | |
10th | VoiD | 8th | 6th | 13th | 9th | 11th | 11th | |
11th | komorikiri | 11th | 12th | 8th | 16th | 10th | 12th | |
12th | Ally | 6th | 2nd | 5th | 14th | 33rd | 5th | |
13th | CaptainZack | --- | 20th | 7th | 18th | 9th | 15th | |
14th | KEN | --- | 19th | 16th | 8th | 30th | 9th | |
15th | ANTi | 10th | 9th | 21st | 20th | 17th | 14th | |
16th | Ranai | 9th | 14th | 17th | --- | --- | 21st | |
17th | Marss | 13th | 15th | 14th | 19th | 25th | 16th | |
18th | Mistake | --- | --- | --- | 13th | 6th | 25th | |
19th | Cosmos | --- | --- | --- | 17th | 7th | 30th | |
20th | Elegant | --- | --- | 25th | 11th | 18th | 27th | |
21st | ESAM | 14th | 27th | 18th | 21st | 21st | 17th | |
22nd | Lima | --- | --- | --- | 24th | 19th | 20th | |
23rd | Samsora | --- | 29th | 24th | 22nd | 12th | 22nd | |
24th | WaDi | --- | 21st | 46th | 12th | 22nd | 26th | |
25th | Fatality | 41st | 28th | 15th | 38th | 14th | 19th | |
26th | Zinoto | 23rd | 16th | 20th | 31st | 28th | 24th | |
27th | Kameme | --- | 11th | 27th | 44th | 24th | 18th | |
28th | Shuton | --- | --- | 33rd | 27th | 26th | 23rd | |
29th | Raito | --- | --- | 34th | 32nd | 23rd | 38th | |
30th | MVD | 21st | 47th | 29th | 25th | 31st | 31st | |
31st | Mr.E | --- | 18th | 30th | 28th | --- | 37th | |
32nd | Kirihara | --- | 48th | 19th | 29th | 50th | 28th | |
33rd | Choco | --- | --- | 49th | 36th | 32nd | 35th | |
34th | falln | 40th | 33rd | 28th | 41st | 20th | 29th | |
35th | Vinnie | 18th | 35th | --- | 46th | 34th | 36th | |
36th | Tsu- | --- | --- | 26th | 34th | 46th | 32nd | |
37th | Manny | 31st | --- | 40th | 23rd | 51st | 39th | |
38th | Wrath | --- | 43rd | 51st | -- | 29th | 59th | |
39th | 6WX | 20th | 30th | 31st | 43rd | 47th | 34th | |
40th | Nietono | 32nd | 36th | 43rd | --- | 37th | 33rd | |
41st | Light | --- | --- | --- | 47th | 13th | 43rd | |
42nd | NAKAT | 34th | --- | 42nd | 33rd | --- | 49th | |
43rd | Ned | --- | 50th | 37th | --- | 42nd | 50th | |
44th | Zenyou | --- | --- | --- | 49th | 43rd | 61st | |
45th | 9B | 17th | --- | 23rd | --- | --- | 44th | |
46th | Tyrant | 22nd | 34th | 51st | --- | --- | 64th | |
47th | Earth | 33rd | 25th | 35th | --- | --- | 42nd | |
48th | JK | --- | --- | 48th | 37th | --- | --- | |
49th | FOW | 12th | --- | 50th | --- | --- | 56th | |
50th | Mew2King | 28th | 26th | --- | --- | --- | 69th | |
51st | AC | --- | --- | 45th | 50th | 38th | 47th | |
52nd | Darkshad | --- | 44th | --- | 26th | 45th | 41st | |
53rd | Locus | --- | 45th | 22nd | 51st | 49th | 40th | |
54th | tyroy | --- | --- | --- | 40th | 39th | 55th | |
55th | Pink Fresh | 30th | 24th | --- | --- | --- | 60th | |
56th | ScAtt | 43rd | 31st | 41st | --- | --- | 51st | |
57th | Shoyo James | --- | --- | 51st | 42nd | 35th | 54th | |
58th | Sinji | --- | --- | --- | --- | 48th | 85th | |
59th | False | 35th | 41st | --- | --- | --- | 73rd | |
60th | Trela | 25th | 42nd | 51st | --- | --- | 65th | |
61st | SDX | --- | --- | --- | --- | 27th | 45th | |
62nd | T | --- | --- | 32nd | --- | --- | 46th | |
63rd | Hyuga | 24th | 22nd | --- | --- | --- | --- | |
64th | dyr | --- | 37th | --- | 39th | --- | 53rd | |
65th | Charlie | --- | --- | --- | 35th | --- | 67th | |
66th | HIKARU | --- | --- | 36th | --- | --- | 48th | |
67th | Javi | --- | --- | 44th | 51st | --- | 74th | |
68th | Maister | --- | --- | --- | --- | 44th | 81st | |
69th | Captain L | --- | --- | --- | --- | 36th | 79th | |
70th | SuperGirlKels | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | 100th | |
71st | K9sbruce | 27th | --- | 51st | 48th | --- | 62nd | |
72nd | Saj | --- | 40th | --- | --- | --- | --- | |
73rd | Rich Brown | --- | 23rd | 38th | --- | --- | 52nd | |
74th | Ryo | 45th | 46th | --- | --- | --- | 77th | |
75th | shky | --- | --- | --- | --- | 41st | --- | |
76th | Blacktwins | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | |
77th | Ralphie | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | |
78th | Ito | 37th | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | |
79th | Pugwest | --- | 39th | --- | --- | --- | 91st | |
80th | Gackt | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | |
81st | Taiheita | --- | 49th | --- | --- | --- | 58th | |
82nd | Megafox | 34th | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | |
83rd | The Great Gonzales | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | |
84th | Dath | --- | 32nd | --- | --- | --- | --- | |
85th | Day | --- | 38th | --- | --- | --- | 80th | |
86th | Regi | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | |
87th | 8BitMan | 47th | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | |
88th | Rags | --- | --- | --- | --- | 40th | 87th | |
89th | Ryuga | --- | --- | --- | 45th | --- | 86th | |
90th | iStudying | 42nd | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | |
91st | Myran | --- | --- | 39th | --- | --- | --- | |
92nd | Glutonny | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | 70th | |
93rd | Angel Cortes | 38th | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | |
94th | Mr. ConCon | 36th | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | |
95th | Xzax | 39th | --- | --- | --- | --- | 92nd | |
96th | Kome | --- | --- | --- | --- | 51st | 84th | |
97th | RAIN | 26th | --- | --- | --- | --- | 66th | |
98th | BestNess | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | |
99th | Ron | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | 57th | |
100th | Seagull Joe | 48th | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
Hidden Bosses[edit]
() denotes actual results.
Best Player of Each Character[edit]
The only section probably worth looking at and the only section updated since I canned this page.
Character | Player | Other candidates | Reason | |
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Ally | — | One of the best Smash 4 players best known for winning EVO 2016, the largest Smash 4 event of all-time. | ||
Elegant | — | The only Luigi player ranked on multiple PGR rankings. | ||
Samsora | — | The only Peach player who was ranked on multiple PGR rankings. | ||
Nairo | LordMix | Although mostly known for being a secondary, he has defeated many top players with Bowser such as ZeRo, MkLeo, Tweek. | ||
Ron | Seth, Raptor | Tri-mains Yoshi but has the best Yoshi wins and performances, including winning Sumabato 18 defeating Shuton and HIKARU with Yoshi. He is also the only Yoshi player ranked on the PGR 100, ranking 57th. | ||
Dabuz | — | One of the best Smash 4 players who has won six majors during Smash 4's heyday, including 2GGC: Civil War, considered one of the hardest Smash 4 events of all-time. | ||
Tweek | — | Really the only Bowser Jr. player ever relevant in top-level competitive play, and Tweek's character switch contributed to Bowser Jr.'s drop on the tier list. | ||
Glutonny | — | Europe's second-best player and the only Wario player ranked on the PGR, ranking 70th on the PGR 100. | ||
HIKARU | Tweek | While Tweek has the better wins, Tweek also predominantly played Cloud and had much better performances with Cloud. On the other hand, HIKARU is a solo-DK and regularly places highly at Japanese events. He remains the only solo-Donkey Kong player to top 8 a major (doing so at 2GGC: Civil War, no less). | ||
ZeRo | — | The greatest Smash 4 player of all-time. | ||
Maister | Regi | The only Mr. Game & Watch player ranked on the PGR, including 81st on the PGR 100. | ||
Tarakotori | Sol | Tough call to make, but Tarakotori's 9th-place run at Umebura Smash 4 Final is by far the best Little Mac performance of all-time, as not only was it the highest Little Mac placed at a major, but he also defeated Kameme, Zackray, and takera. His other results are similar to Sol, as Tarakotori regularly placing top 64 at Umebura events and and has also defeated players like Eim, Kuro, and Umeki at notable Japanese events. | ||
T | — | The only relevant Link player in top-level play (including being the only Link player ever ranked on a PGR). His rise in Japan and his run to 3rd at 2GGC: Civil War was instrumental to Link's rise on the tier list. | ||
Rizeasu | ven | Definitely can see this be a tossup due to Rizeasu's true main being Random, but Rizeasu has arguably the best Zelda performances of all-time, including 2nd at Sumabato Tokaigi Qualifier 2 and 7th at Sumabato 28 defeating HIKARU, as well as wins over players such as Kuro and ikep. | ||
ZeRo | Mr.R, VoiD | The greatest Smash 4 player of all-time who used Sheik during his prime, though longevity-wise I could see some people arguing Mr.R or VoiD. | ||
adom | Gungnir, Rickles | Literally could go to any of these three (or more) because the best Ganondorf players attend nothing. adom at least has a good record in Europe (9th at Syndicate 2017 and Sweet Impact - Deflagration are two notable ones) and was ranked 46th in Europe. | ||
Sigma | Hyuga | Only Toon Link player ranked on the PGR 100 and has the best Toon Link performances, such as 4th at Umebura Smash 4 Final and many great Sumabato runs, such as winning Sumabato 22. Hyuga was ranked higher and had comparable results, especially early on, but he didn't have a career after 2016. | ||
IcyMist | ESAM | ESAM has the better wins with Samus (mainly Ally), but he is primarily a Pikachu player. IcyMist has achieved some of the best Samus performances with solo-Samus, such as being the queen of Wi-Fi events and great runs at majors, including 9th at Royal Flush and 13th at Super Smash Con 2018 defeating Marss in the former and Elegant and Wrath in the latter. | ||
Nairo | — | One of the best Smash 4 players of all-time. | ||
Earth | — | The only relevant Pit/Dark Pit player in competitive play and was the only Pit player ranked on the PGR. | ||
TLTC | Prince Ramen | While Prince Ramen has the ZeRo win, he doesn't really have anything else outside of that while TLTC has the longevity. | ||
MkLeo | — | One of the best Smash 4 players of all-time. | ||
Ryo | San | The only Ike player ever ranked on the PGR and the only Ike player to place top 8 at a major (7th at MLG World Finals 2015. The latter is what really puts him over San in my opinion. | ||
Dath | — | His 3rd-place run at Shine 2016 is just unmatchable. Also the only Robin player ever ranked on the PGR. | ||
Raito | — | The only Duck Hunt player ever ranked on the PGR, even if Brood had the ZeRo win. | ||
Komota | MikeKirby | MikeKirby has the longevity but didn't really have much outside his region. Komota has the Ally win and the best Kirby placement at a major (25th at The Big House 8). | ||
zaki | — | He beat MkLeo. | ||
MkLeo | — | One of the best Smash 4 players of all-time, though more known for Cloud and Marth he did win 2GG Championship with primarily Meta Knight. | ||
Larry Lurr | — | One of the best Smash 4 players of all-time. Only Light really challenged his title. | ||
AC | Daybreak, Keitaro | Beat 6WX with Falco and is the highest-placing Falco player at a major (25th at 2GGT: Abadango Saga). Still mainly MK though. | ||
ESAM | — | The only Pikachu player ranked on all PGR rankings and for some reason the only person who thinks Pikachu is top 10. | ||
Tosshi | Sharpyzard | Sharpyzard has more exposure and the big win at BeSmash 2016, but Tosshi's 4th at Umebura 31 defeating Nietono and Kome is the best Charizard performance of all-time, plus Tosshi has the best Charizard placement at a major (25th at Umebura Japan Major) and better wins (Ranai) | ||
Tsu- | — | Almost won a major (Frostbite 2017) and is the only Lucario player ranked top 50 on multiple PGR rankings. | ||
Arika | Captain L | Captain L has defeated top players, but is still mainly Pikachu. Conversely, Arika has the best solo-Jigglypuff performance of all-time, placing 17th at Umebura Smash 4 Final defeating takera and Masashi. | ||
iStudying | Lea, Somé | Very tough, but I think iStudying edges them out thanks to the 2nd at B.E.A.S.T 6 over ESAM and win over Ally at UGC Smash Open, as well as being the only Greninja player ranked on the PGR. Can't argue if people believe in Lea or Somé. | ||
8BitMan | OCEAN | Also very tough, but 8BitMan was the only PGR-ranked R.O.B. player and still had good R.O.B. performances even after picking up Diddy Kong. OCEAN is just too inconsistent for me. | ||
FOW | — | The highest-ranking Ness player (12th on the PGR v1) and the only Ness player with multiple top 8s at majors. | ||
Fatality | — | The only Captain Falcon player ranked on multiple PGR rankings. | ||
Ranai | — | The only Villager player ranked on multiple PGR rankings, as well as the only Villager player to win a major. | ||
Shuton | — | The only solo-Olimar player ranked on multiple PGR rankings. Dabuz was mainly a Rosalina player at the end of the day. | ||
John Numbers | — | The best peaks (placed 17th at four majors) and wins (WaDi, 6WX, Zinoto) out of any Wii Fit Trainer player, and has the longevity as well. | ||
Kome | — | The only Shulk player ranked on the PGR. | ||
B7Games | 2ManyCooks | Abadango win at 2GGT: Abadango Saga and placing 33rd at 2GGC: Midwest Mayhem Saga takes it for me. | ||
Mr E | — | Probably the only player actually successful with solo-Lucina, as most other players (such as ZeRo) only used Lucina as a secondary. | ||
Sinji | Tea | Tea just came too little too late in my opinion. Sinji had the longevity and the PGR rankings even if Tea had the better peaks. | ||
Kameme | — | The only Mega Man player ranked in the top 50 on the PGR 100. | ||
KEN | — | One of the best Smash 4 players of all-time and the only Sonic player with a major win (Umebura S.A.T.). | ||
Abadango | WaDi | The only Mewtwo player with a major win (Pound 2016), though I can see arguments for WaDi due to Abadango playing Bayonetta towards the game's end as well as WaDi's win over ZeRo. | ||
Taiheita | — | The only Lucas player ranked on the PGR. | ||
Cloudy | Hyper Kirby, TheFlow | Insane Mexican results such as 2nd at Smash Fest 3 and 9th at Smash Factor 6 defeating Kameme. Hyper Kirby has consistent majors but not as many great wins while TheFlow had a great Albion 3 but also not that many great wins (cannot verify Lima win). | ||
Darkshad | Locus | Tough since both have similar results, but Darkshad's ZeRo win trumps Locus's 1-place higher ranking on the PGR 100 in my opinion. | ||
MkLeo | Tweek | One of the best Smash 4 players of all-time who stuck with Cloud until the end while Tweek eventually began playing more Bayonetta. | ||
Cosmos | — | The only Corrin player to win a major (The Big House 8) and the only Corrin player ranked in the top 50 on the PGR 100. | ||
Salem | Tweek | Salem being a contender for #1 when ZeRo was still active, his win at EVO 2017, and being solo-Bayonetta for most of Smash 4 takes it for me. | ||
Dapuffster | — | Literally the only Mii Brawler player who did anything in competitive play. | ||
Rom | AEMehr | AEMehr has better peaks (13th at IBP Masters Showdown) but Rom has by far the better wins (Kirihara, Raito, Pugwest). | ||
No one plays this character |
Tier List[edit]
Heavily opinionated Super Smash Bros. 4 Tier List | |||||||||||||
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S | A | ||||||||||||
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10-11 | ||||
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10-11 | ||||
B | |||||||||||||
12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22-23 | |||
12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22-23 | |||
B- | C | ||||||||||||
24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32 | 33 | 34 | 35 | 36 | 37 |
24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32 | 33 | 34 | 35 | 36 | 37 |
D+ | D | ||||||||||||
38 | 39 | 40 | 41 | 42 | 43 | 44 | 45 | 46 | 47 | 48 | 49 | ||
38 | 39 | 40 | 41 | 42 | 43 | 44 | 45 | 46 | 47 | 48 | 49 | ||
D- | F | Miis | |||||||||||
50 | 51 | 52 | 53 | 54 | 55 | -- | -- | -- | |||||
50 | 51 | 52 | 53 | 54 | 55 | -- | -- | -- |
Key
Tier | Description |
---|---|
S | Top |
A | Top, but not S-tier Top |
B | High |
B- | High/Mid border |
C | Mid |
D+ | Mid/Low border |
D | Low |
D | Low, but not D low |
F | Bottom |
Miis | Miis (Unranked) |