Talk:Alternate costume/Archive 1

The main palette swap article had to be split into three different articles, one for each game, due to some users having less advanced ways of connecting to the internet. Koopa Klaus ^{Happy Holidays}

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Brawl alternates

i know there was E For All and a bunch of videos posted, but can people please include sources for all of the information that's added? FyreNWater - (Talk • Contributions ) 16:49, October 27, 2007 (EDT)

Does Fox really have a Wolf costume, is that true information? Gimpyfish denied this on a thread before.

Can anyone prove that claime?

- Blackadder

Other Alternatives

I've added a few ones to the page, but there are some more. However, I'm not going to add them because I'm not sure if they're real or not: Mario's Green costume supposedly comes from Wrecking Crew Luigi's Red costume supposedly comes from Wrecking Crew Captain Falcon's Grey costume supposedly comes from F-Zero X Expansion Pack Ness' Blue costume is supposedly his reflection in Gigyas Mr. Game & Watch's Red, Blue and Green costumes are supposedly from a few copies of Game & Watch handhelds that used these and other colors as opposed to the monotonous black. These need to be looked into. Giga Bowser NS 01:42, November 14, 2007 (EST)

Also, Luigi's white costume (the goveless one with green overalls) I'm pretty sure is based on his appearance in Super Mario Bros. The Inker 15:56, February 7, 2008 (EST)

Yeah, but that's also modern day Fire Luigi. Perhaps you should just make a note of the costumes that aren't standard (that aren't Red, Green Blue) --Phred 16:22, February 7, 2008 (EST)

It would be modern day fire Luigi, but his skin is darker and his gloves are his skin colour (like he has no gloves). The Inker 20:09, February 22, 2008 (EST)

I think it IS the modern Fire Luigi. In the GBA version of Super Mario World when Mario and Luigi transformed into Fire Mario or Fire Luigi their skin also got darker. And wasn't Luigi's normal outfit in Super Mario Bros. a green cap, a brown shirt and green overalls? Because if the Smash Bros.'s white outfit (green overalls, white cap and white shirt) was his normal outfit, then how were the colors of Fire Luigi in Super Mario Bros.? I'd appreciate if someone could explain this to me. Xeze (talk) 21:44, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind. But the old-style Luigi had a white cap and white overalls. In this costume, Luigi's overalls are green, so it is the modern Fire Luigi. Xeze (talk) 19:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Ice Climbers

I believe the Climbers DO switch positions for costumes. In this video, the second match shows them in their black and white costume, and the CPU arrow indicates the black one is the leader: Who is clearly shown to be Nana at the victory screen. --Spoonorca 22:11, February 25, 2008 (EST)

Ike Costume: Domon Kasshu?

I kid you not, one of Ike's alternate costumes bears DISTINCT resemblance to Domon Kasshu of G Gundam fame. Take a look.

You have to admit that the resemblance is too strong to be just coincidence. You think it's worth a mention in the article? Cyberlink420 06:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Added Costumes

I've added Foreman Spike, WC Luigi, F-Zero X Expansion Falcon, and Mario Bros. Luigi. http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/ChrFrameLayout.html If you go to this page and Google translate it, it confirms Spike under his Japanese name Blacky. F-Zero X Falcon may be confirmed, but at the least it says something about the Ash colored costume. I can supply pics to back up the other 2.--The Qu 04:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

How do I get Google to translate?

Nintendofan146 22:04, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Never mind... but it doesn't mention Foreman Spike/Blackey anywhere. Nintendofan146 22:12, 20 April 2008 (UTC) Never Mind again...Nintendofan146 21:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I added Dark Super Sonic to Sonic's.Nintendofan146 13:32, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

All Colors?

I think we should include all of the color changes. Who Agrees? Nintendofan146 22:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Unless it has any relevance to other games, I really don't think it's necessary. - Gargomon251 23:11, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, All "gallery" of costumes is coming, so we might want to...Nintendofan146 (talk) 04:11, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Sans the hat?

Why in 3 of the kirby color scheme lines is there "sans the hat" is that someone's username? or is it a misspelling? Carbonkirby 16:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

The Kirby Hat. You know, the powerups? He wears hats with them, normally. It just means "Except without the hat" --Phred 16:13, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

ooo that makes sense. i thought it had to mean "minus the hat" or something. never saw sans the hat before lol. thanks for explaining.

Carbonkirby 16:16, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Last Edited?

Why doesn't it show up?Nintendofan146 20:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Sonic and Ganondorf costumes

The article claims two of Sonic's alt. colours are designed to look like Scourge, a character unique to the American Archie comics, and Dark Super Sonic, a fan name for a version of Super Sonic unique to the Sonic X anime, while a third is meant to have Silver's bracelets.. However, while Scourge is actually green, Sonic's green alt. is.. a slightly greenish blue. It might be more accurate to say it's based on a palette glitch from Sonic 2 that turned Sonic green, known among fans as "Ashura" and fairly well-known to be the basis of Scourge's design, but even there it clearly looks nothing like the glitch and can't in all good conscience be said to be a reference to that. For the alt. with yellow bracelets I would be willing to concede that they might almost resemble Silver's, but they're much rounder and lack the glowing line; rather, I would suggest they're designed to resemble two small rings. As for our "Dark Super Sonic" friend, once again a simple image shows that the resemblance is minimal, and instead they probably just.. made a darker Sonic. I don't think I have to go further into it than that.

Of course, a simple jaunt into training mode will show us that, in fact, all the Ganondorf alts. have the exact same hair style, which is decidedly different from his Melee/OoT hair style. Thus, the claim that "Many of Ganondorf's color changes make his hair the same as in Melee" is an outright lie and should be removed. 68.36.108.42 23:13, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, great. I concede the point about Ganondorf, I never argued that. But you can't deny, Sonic does wear bracelets, so that last change was completely uncalled for.Entrea Sumatae 00:12, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I never.. said he doesn't? However, the article insisted that he wears Silver's bracelets, which is wrong. 68.36.108.42 00:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Read before you edit. The last version that you changed back to essentially "all his costumes look just like him with no changes but color" (which is wrong, by the way, do you see rings on basic Sonic?) said only that he wore bracelets and that his white ones resembled Silver's.Entrea Sumatae 00:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

This is my first time doing this. Sonic's rings he wears on his Black, Green, and Red costumes resemble the rings Amy Rose, and Shadow the Hedgehog wear. And Yellow Sonic's rings do bear a very strong resemblence to Silver's, they are just smaller, and they are missing the blue strip but other then that they are exactly the same. Of course they do look like two smaller rings, but nobody else in the series wears two smaller rings around their wrist. Also, I'm not sure if this is relavent but there are also shoe gems in Sonic 06 that change the colors of Sonic's shoes. I've never played the game but I think someone should look into it. (And Dark Super Sonic AKA Dark Sonic, is not fanmade, he was made by TMS, and like EVERYTHING Sonic related, it went directly through Sonic Team before it even saw the light of day) [sorry if I'm not doing this right this is my first time on a wiki] And one last thing, Ashura is green and black not a blueish green.Wring 00:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

CrappyCaptureDevice Color Changes

CrappyCaptureDevice has put up three character alternate costumes videos on youtube.com. Should we add what he said about the colors, like Princess Peach's white costume not from Dr. Mario, but from Super Mario Bros.?Amycats2 (talk) 02:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for adding them!Amycats2 (talk) 09:22, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Grammatical Errors

I fixed a lot of them, if it's any help. - GalaxiaD (talk) 04:36, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Uhhhh

On the SSBB part you're missing a character. There is only 34! Zmario (talk) 13:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC) Mr. Game and Watch. Nintendofan146 (talk) 02:06, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Too much stuff

At the point at which a T1 internet connection can't handle the page, something needs to be done. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 07:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd suggest splitting: color changes (SSB), color changes (SSBB), and color changes (SSBM). Keep this page so that we can have a central definition for the term. --Sky (t · c · w) 07:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Clarinet Hawk, do you have Fire Fox? We need to move on. IE is mad slow these days, you know. Koopa Klaus ^{Happy Holidays} 07:59, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Done. Koopa Klaus ^{Happy Holidays} 08:10, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I have Firefox. I don't, however, have a single residential connection. I share bandwidth with everyone else in my building. That said, it is still a faster connection that most people have, so if I'm having problems, it should be corrected. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 17:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Cross-game differences

Should there be info/a list somewhere on how costumes are added/removed/changed between every game? – Smiddle_T 14:17, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

What? Forbidden7 14:19, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

Oh,I see what you mean. No,I don't think there needs to be a list. Forbidden7 14:20, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

Doesn't have to be a list, just some kind of noting it. For example, on Palette swap (SSBB), Jigglypuff's green costume could say "This was changed from being a strap in SSBM". – Smiddle_T 14:23, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

Nah,I don't think it's necessary. Forbidden7 14:25, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

Head icons for individual palette swap pages

Should we add the head icon next to where it names the colour and description in the individual pages? It'll look something like this:

Link

Link's alternate costumes in SSBM

• Green (default)
• Red: Based on the the Goron Tunic from The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
• Blue: Based on the the Zora Tunic from The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
• Black: A homage to Dark Link. However, unlike the Brawl version, only his tunic is altered.
• Lavender: Resembles the use of the Blue Ring in The Legend of Zelda.

The head icons could go after which colour it says it is. --MeMyselfAndI 12:01, 20 September 2013 (EDT)

Not a bad idea, though I'm not sure whether it's necessary. Also, it would probably look better with a space in between the icon and the colour. Scr7(talk · contribs) 12:04, 20 September 2013 (EDT)

Anyone? Scr7(talk · contribs) 12:26, 21 September 2013 (EDT)

Not a bad idea I suppose. Toomai Glittershine El Pollo 12:30, 21 September 2013 (EDT)

Support --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 10:25, 29 January 2014 (EST)

This discussion was outdated and resolved, don't comment on such old things. Scr7(talk · contribs) 13:19, 29 January 2014 (EST)

Confirmed in SSB4 by Dedede?

While Dedede is confirmed for Smash Bros. 4, I question how the palette swaps are confirmed. All we got that hints at palette swaps is the Male Wii Fit Trainer who we still don't know if he is an alternate costume or an assist trophy, and the closeup of Dedede. While his hat looks pinkish, notice that he's on the Mario Galaxy stage and the pic is too close to his face. When you look at other screenshots taking place on that stage, the lighting makes the characters glow a bit. And pink is a really light red, and in the picture, the red part of his hat is so close to his outline. And the rim of his hat is gold, while the rim on his pink costume in brawl is silver. I don't think it is a palette swap. Just the stage lighting that made him look pink. You can even see the top of his hat (not the white ball but the part seen) is glowing white. Same goes to the part of his coat seen in the closeup. It's really the lighting, not a palette swap. SeanWheeler (talk) 18:24, 10 January 2014 (EST)

This image by itself does not confirm palette swaps. The best thing to do right now is wait for more evidence rather than make assumptions. Green Mario 18:39, 10 January 2014 (EST)

Yeah, that's what I'm saying! SeanWheeler (talk) 18:43, 10 January 2014 (EST)

Project M Palette Swaps

Should "Palette Swaps (PM)" be created? --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 10:24, 29 January 2014 (EST)

My opinion is no; while some characters have significant changes (which can easily be listed on their pages), the majority do not, and most of a PM page would be "unchanged from Brawl (which doesn't seem useful). Toomai Glittershine The Cloronic 10:31, 29 January 2014 (EST)

Rename the page?

All alternate costumes aren't palette swaps, and it's even been that way since the first game. It's become especially clear in Brawl and SSB4, with Wario's biker/plumber costumes, Male/Female Wii Fit, and Villager's many different appearances, so I think having "palette swap" as the page name isn't very appropriate. Thoughts? - Ceci n’est pas un Smiddle. 03:35, 16 May 2014 (EDT)

The term has never really been correct because none of the Smash Bros. games are sprite-based, yet people use it anyway. Do you have a better suggestion? Toomai Glittershine The Quiet 11:08, 16 May 2014 (EDT)

Alternate costumes? - Ceci n’est pas un Smiddle. 11:40, 16 May 2014 (EDT)

I agree with Smiddle that alternate costume would be a good name. Unknown the Hedgehog 15:33, 25 May 2014 (EDT)

Palette Swap (SSB4)?

Should we create that now? Nutta Butta (talk) 15:02, 25 May 2014 (EDT)

Eh, I could go either way on this one. We've only seen a scant few costumes from that Miiverse post (plus the model variants like WFT, Mac and Villager), and with the 3DS version coming out in the next few months we'd arguably be better off waiting for that. Miles (talk) 15:20, 25 May 2014 (EDT)

Okay, I guess. I think we should create it if for no other reason than to already have it... Nutta Butta (talk) 20:40, 25 May 2014 (EDT)

How about now? More swaps are confirmed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nutta Butta (talk • contribs) 15:05, June 16, 2014 (CDT)

I'd be okay with someone making this page now, since the demo and invitational confirmed a fair number. You'd need to cite footage and/or upload screenshots for every single one, though, so keep that in mind. Miles (talk) 18:37, 16 June 2014 (EDT)

I'm horrid at making new pages. Can anyone else do it...? Nutta Butta (talk) 10:30, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

Rename

(Obvious note: This applies to all subpages too.)

Support. The term "Palette swap" is entirely inaccurate. SSB4 is introducing a number of non-palette swap costumes for several characters, but even then it's always been around. In the original SSB, Pikachu and Jigglypuff's costumes weren't "palette swaps". They had hats. In Melee, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, and Pichu have hats. In Brawl, Pika and Jiggly keep their hats, and Wario has his overalls. And then we're back to SSB4, with Bikini Samus and Male WFT and Wireframe Mac, which are not palette swaps. Not to mention I hear people calling them "Alternate Costumes" much more often than "Palette Swaps". ...a new Nuttais approaching...

With Smash 4 having multiple characters with alternate costumes, and with Wario in Brawl sporting two different costumes, I support this. Berrenta (talk) 10:51, 21 August 2014 (EDT)

Anyone? ...a new Nuttais approaching...

Oppose. Nope. According to Wikipedia, a palette swap is "a practice used in video games, whereby a graphic that is already used for one element is given a different palette, so it can be reused as other elements." You gave about half a kilobyte of exceptions, some faulty, which isn't very much. Wireframe Mac is still a palette swap, as the only changes are color. Bikini Samus' sprite has only color changes as well. Seriously, I know they're sometimes alternate costumes rather than palette swaps, but that is rarely the case (Pikachu, Jiggs, Pichu, Wario, WFT, Villager, 6/56 characters total). Qwerty (talk) 18:28, 22 August 2014 (EDT)

That's not true; Wireframe Mac is seethrough in the areas where there isn't a frame. And Zero Suit Samus is not a simple color switch, either. She has a belly button, for one thing (which is mostly color, but there are some lighting effects), and her shorts react differently than her zero suit when she moves (if you look, the crouching Bikini Samus has large wrinkles on her shorts, but standing Bikini Samus doesn't. Any pose of Zero Suit Samus is completely unwrinkled because it's skin-tight.) Besides, Palette Swap is used specifically for sprites and 2D graphics. In 3D modeling it isn't swapping a palette (I'm pretty sure, anyhow, I could be wrong. But it is more commonly used for sprites and 2D graphics.) And maybe the minority of characters have full-on costume changes. And, again, people call it an alternate costume more often in my experience. ...a new Nuttais approaching... 19:41, 22 August 2014 (EDT)

Well you're right about palettes being for 2d sprites, but 3d models have textures. People still call it a palette swap because it's basically changing the colors on a texture, or just a 3D palette swap. See-through Wireframe Mac is still a color-only change, as clear is a valid color. You're right about bikini Samus, and we are now at 12% non-Palette swap only characters, excluding Project M.

So it comes down to what people prefer calling it. I'm not sure which is used more, but my opinion is that palette swap is the better name. Qwerty (talk) 22:17, 22 August 2014 (EDT)

I support moving it. Also, you forget that each of the Mii Fighters get costumes instead of "palette swaps". Laikue (talk) 22:33, 22 August 2014 (EDT)

Anyone else? ...a new Nuttais approaching... 17:36, 28 August 2014 (EDT)

Support Laikue (talk) 17:44, 28 August 2014 (EDT)

Support With the abundance of new alts in Smash 4, I think we need to rename it. Scr7(talk · contribs) 12:27, 11 September 2014 (EDT)

Support Makes more sense, imo. Unknown the Hedgehog 07:36, 12 September 2014 (EDT)