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An archive of some of my terrible opinions from a while back.

PGR 100 PredictionsEdit

Ranking Smasher PGR 1 PGR 2 PGR 3 PGR 4 PGR 5 Character(s) Actual Placement
1st   ZeRo 1st 1st 1st 1st ---     1st
2nd   MkLeo 19th 8th 2nd 4th 1st      3rd
3rd   Nairo 2nd 3rd 3rd 3rd 4th    2nd
4th   Dabuz 3rd 4th 4th 6th 3rd    4th
5th   Tweek 15th 17th 12th 6th 2nd     7th
6th   Mr. R 4th 10th 9th 10th 8th   10th
7th   Larry Lurr 7th 5th 6th 7th 16th    8th
8th   Abadango 5th 7th 10th 15th 15th     13th
9th   Salem --- 13th 11th 2nd 5th   6th
10th   VoiD 8th 6th 13th 9th 11th   11th
11th   komorikiri 11th 12th 8th 16th 10th    12th
12th   Ally 6th 2nd 5th 14th 33rd   5th
13th   CaptainZack --- 20th 7th 18th 9th    15th
14th   KEN --- 19th 16th 8th 30th   9th
15th   ANTi 10th 9th 21st 20th 17th     14th
16th   Ranai 9th 14th 17th --- ---   21st
17th   Marss 13th 15th 14th 19th 25th   16th
18th   Mistake --- --- --- 13th 6th    25th
19th   Cosmos --- --- --- 17th 7th   30th
20th   Elegant --- --- 25th 11th 18th   27th
21st   ESAM 14th 27th 18th 21st 21st    17th
22nd   Lima --- --- --- 24th 19th   20th
23rd   Samsora --- 29th 24th 22nd 12th    22nd
24th   WaDi --- 21st 46th 12th 22nd    26th
25th   Fatality 41st 28th 15th 38th 14th   19th
26th   Zinoto 23rd 16th 20th 31st 28th   24th
27th   Kameme --- 11th 27th 44th 24th    18th
28th   Shuton --- --- 33rd 27th 26th    23rd
29th   Raito --- --- 34th 32nd 23rd   38th
30th   MVD 21st 47th 29th 25th 31st   31st
31st   Mr.E --- 18th 30th 28th ---    37th
32nd   Kirihara --- 48th 19th 29th 50th   28th
33rd   Choco --- --- 49th 36th 32nd   35th
34th   falln 40th 33rd 28th 41st 20th   29th
35th   Vinnie 18th 35th --- 46th 34th    36th
36th   Tsu- --- --- 26th 34th 46th    32nd
37th   Manny 31st --- 40th 23rd 51st   39th
38th   Wrath --- 43rd 51st -- 29th   59th
39th   6WX 20th 30th 31st 43rd 47th   34th
40th   Nietono 32nd 36th 43rd --- 37th    33rd
41st   Light --- --- --- 47th 13th   43rd
42nd   NAKAT 34th --- 42nd 33rd ---    49th
43rd   Ned --- 50th 37th --- 42nd   50th
44th   Zenyou --- --- --- 49th 43rd   61st
45th   9B 17th --- 23rd --- ---   44th
46th   Tyrant 22nd 34th 51st --- ---     64th
47th   Earth 33rd 25th 35th --- ---    42nd
48th   JK --- --- 48th 37th ---   ---
49th   FOW 12th --- 50th --- ---   56th
50th   Mew2King 28th 26th --- --- ---   69th
51st   AC --- --- 45th 50th 38th    47th
52nd   Darkshad --- 44th --- 26th 45th   41st
53rd   Locus --- 45th 22nd 51st 49th   40th
54th   tyroy --- --- --- 40th 39th    55th
55th   Pink Fresh 30th 24th --- --- ---    60th
56th   ScAtt 43rd 31st 41st --- ---   51st
57th   Shoyo James --- --- 51st 42nd 35th    54th
58th   Sinji --- --- --- --- 48th   85th
59th   False 35th 41st --- --- ---   73rd
60th   Trela 25th 42nd 51st --- ---   65th
61st   SDX --- --- --- --- 27th   45th
62nd   T --- --- 32nd --- ---   46th
63rd   Hyuga 24th 22nd --- --- ---   ---
64th   dyr --- 37th --- 39th ---   53rd
65th   Charlie --- --- --- 35th ---    67th
66th   HIKARU --- --- 36th --- ---   48th
67th   Javi --- --- 44th 51st ---    74th
68th   Maister --- --- --- --- 44th   81st
69th   Captain L --- --- --- --- 36th    79th
70th   SuperGirlKels --- --- --- --- ---   100th
71st   K9sbruce 27th --- 51st 48th ---    62nd
72nd   Saj --- 40th --- --- ---   ---
73rd   Rich Brown --- 23rd 38th --- ---   52nd
74th   Ryo 45th 46th --- --- ---    77th
75th   shky --- --- --- --- 41st   ---
76th   Blacktwins --- --- --- --- ---    ---
77th   Ralphie --- --- --- --- ---   ---
78th   Ito 37th --- --- --- ---   ---
79th   Pugwest --- 39th --- --- ---   91st
80th   Gackt --- --- --- --- ---   ---
81st   Taiheita --- 49th --- --- ---   58th
82nd   Megafox 34th --- --- --- ---   ---
83rd   The Great Gonzales --- --- --- --- ---    ---
84th   Dath --- 32nd --- --- ---   ---
85th   Day --- 38th --- --- ---   80th
86th   Regi --- --- --- --- ---   ---
87th   8BitMan 47th --- --- --- ---    ---
88th   Rags --- --- --- --- 40th   87th
89th   Ryuga --- --- --- 45th ---    86th
90th   iStudying 42nd --- --- --- ---   ---
91st   Myran --- --- 39th --- ---   ---
92nd   Glutonny --- --- --- --- ---   70th
93rd   Angel Cortes 38th --- --- --- ---   ---
94th   Mr. ConCon 36th --- --- --- ---   ---
95th   Xzax 39th --- --- --- ---   92nd
96th   Kome --- --- --- --- 51st   84th
97th   RAIN 26th --- --- --- ---   66th
98th   BestNess --- --- --- --- ---   ---
99th   Ron --- --- --- --- ---     57th
100th   Seagull Joe 48th --- --- --- ---   ---

Hidden BossesEdit

() denotes actual results.

Best Player of Each CharacterEdit

The only section probably worth looking at and the only section updated since I canned this page.

Character Player Other candidates Reason
    Ally One of the best Smash 4 players best known for winning EVO 2016, the largest Smash 4 event of all-time.
    Elegant The only Luigi player ranked on multiple PGR rankings.
    Samsora The only Peach player who was ranked on multiple PGR rankings.
    Nairo   LordMix Although mostly known for being a secondary, he has defeated many top players with Bowser such as ZeRo, MkLeo, Tweek.
    Ron   Seth,   Raptor Tri-mains Yoshi but has the best Yoshi wins and performances, including winning Sumabato 18 defeating Shuton and HIKARU with Yoshi. He is also the only Yoshi player ranked on the PGR 100, ranking 57th.
    Dabuz One of the best Smash 4 players who has won six majors during Smash 4's heyday, including 2GGC: Civil War, considered one of the hardest Smash 4 events of all-time.
    Tweek Really the only Bowser Jr. player ever relevant in top-level competitive play, and Tweek's character switch contributed to Bowser Jr.'s drop on the tier list.
    Glutonny Europe's second-best player and the only Wario player ranked on the PGR, ranking 70th on the PGR 100.
    HIKARU   Tweek While Tweek has the better wins, Tweek also predominantly played Cloud and had much better performances with Cloud. On the other hand, HIKARU is a solo-DK and regularly places highly at Japanese events. He remains the only solo-Donkey Kong player to top 8 a major (doing so at 2GGC: Civil War, no less).
    ZeRo The greatest Smash 4 player of all-time.
    Maister   Regi The only Mr. Game & Watch player ranked on the PGR, including 81st on the PGR 100.
    Tarakotori   Sol Tough call to make, but Tarakotori's 9th-place run at Umebura Smash 4 Final is by far the best Little Mac performance of all-time, as not only was it the highest Little Mac placed at a major, but he also defeated Kameme, Zackray, and takera. His other results are similar to Sol, as Tarakotori regularly placing top 64 at Umebura events and and has also defeated players like Eim, Kuro, and Umeki at notable Japanese events.
    T The only relevant Link player in top-level play (including being the only Link player ever ranked on a PGR). His rise in Japan and his run to 3rd at 2GGC: Civil War was instrumental to Link's rise on the tier list.
    Rizeasu   ven Definitely can see this be a tossup due to Rizeasu's true main being Random, but Rizeasu has arguably the best Zelda performances of all-time, including 2nd at Sumabato Tokaigi Qualifier 2 and 7th at Sumabato 28 defeating HIKARU, as well as wins over players such as Kuro and ikep.
    ZeRo   Mr.R,   VoiD The greatest Smash 4 player of all-time who used Sheik during his prime, though longevity-wise I could see some people arguing Mr.R or VoiD.
    adom   Gungnir,   Rickles Literally could go to any of these three (or more) because the best Ganondorf players attend nothing. adom at least has a good record in Europe (9th at Syndicate 2017 and Sweet Impact - Deflagration are two notable ones) and was ranked 46th in Europe.
    Sigma   Hyuga Only Toon Link player ranked on the PGR 100 and has the best Toon Link performances, such as 4th at Umebura Smash 4 Final and many great Sumabato runs, such as winning Sumabato 22. Hyuga was ranked higher and had comparable results, especially early on, but he didn't have a career after 2016.
    IcyMist   ESAM ESAM has the better wins with Samus (mainly Ally), but he is primarily a Pikachu player. IcyMist has achieved some of the best Samus performances with solo-Samus, such as being the queen of Wi-Fi events and great runs at majors, including 9th at Royal Flush and 13th at Super Smash Con 2018 defeating Marss in the former and Elegant and Wrath in the latter.
    Nairo One of the best Smash 4 players of all-time.
     Earth The only relevant Pit/Dark Pit player in competitive play and was the only Pit player ranked on the PGR.
    TLTC   Prince Ramen While Prince Ramen has the ZeRo win, he doesn't really have anything else outside of that while TLTC has the longevity.
    MkLeo One of the best Smash 4 players of all-time.
    Ryo   San The only Ike player ever ranked on the PGR and the only Ike player to place top 8 at a major (7th at MLG World Finals 2015. The latter is what really puts him over San in my opinion.
    Dath His 3rd-place run at Shine 2016 is just unmatchable. Also the only Robin player ever ranked on the PGR.
    Raito The only Duck Hunt player ever ranked on the PGR, even if Brood had the ZeRo win.
    Komota   MikeKirby MikeKirby has the longevity but didn't really have much outside his region. Komota has the Ally win and the best Kirby placement at a major (25th at The Big House 8).
    zaki He beat MkLeo.
    MkLeo One of the best Smash 4 players of all-time, though more known for Cloud and Marth he did win 2GG Championship with primarily Meta Knight.
    Larry Lurr One of the best Smash 4 players of all-time. Only Light really challenged his title.
    AC   Daybreak,   Keitaro Beat 6WX with Falco and is the highest-placing Falco player at a major (25th at 2GGT: Abadango Saga). Still mainly MK though.
    ESAM The only Pikachu player ranked on all PGR rankings and for some reason the only person who thinks Pikachu is top 10.
    Tosshi   Sharpyzard Sharpyzard has more exposure and the big win at BeSmash 2016, but Tosshi's 4th at Umebura 31 defeating Nietono and Kome is the best Charizard performance of all-time, plus Tosshi has the best Charizard placement at a major (25th at Umebura Japan Major) and better wins (Ranai)
    Tsu- Almost won a major (Frostbite 2017) and is the only Lucario player ranked top 50 on multiple PGR rankings.
    Arika   Captain L Captain L has defeated top players, but is still mainly Pikachu. Conversely, Arika has the best solo-Jigglypuff performance of all-time, placing 17th at Umebura Smash 4 Final defeating takera and Masashi.
    iStudying   Lea,   Somé Very tough, but I think iStudying edges them out thanks to the 2nd at B.E.A.S.T 6 over ESAM and win over Ally at UGC Smash Open, as well as being the only Greninja player ranked on the PGR. Can't argue if people believe in Lea or Somé.
    8BitMan   OCEAN Also very tough, but 8BitMan was the only PGR-ranked R.O.B. player and still had good R.O.B. performances even after picking up Diddy Kong. OCEAN is just too inconsistent for me.
    FOW The highest-ranking Ness player (12th on the PGR v1) and the only Ness player with multiple top 8s at majors.
    Fatality The only Captain Falcon player ranked on multiple PGR rankings.
    Ranai The only Villager player ranked on multiple PGR rankings, as well as the only Villager player to win a major.
    Shuton The only solo-Olimar player ranked on multiple PGR rankings. Dabuz was mainly a Rosalina player at the end of the day.
    John Numbers The best peaks (placed 17th at four majors) and wins (WaDi, 6WX, Zinoto) out of any Wii Fit Trainer player, and has the longevity as well.
    Kome The only Shulk player ranked on the PGR.
    B7Games   2ManyCooks Abadango win at 2GGT: Abadango Saga and placing 33rd at 2GGC: Midwest Mayhem Saga takes it for me.
    Mr E Probably the only player actually successful with solo-Lucina, as most other players (such as ZeRo) only used Lucina as a secondary.
    Sinji   Tea Tea just came too little too late in my opinion. Sinji had the longevity and the PGR rankings even if Tea had the better peaks.
    Kameme The only Mega Man player ranked in the top 50 on the PGR 100.
    KEN One of the best Smash 4 players of all-time and the only Sonic player with a major win (Umebura S.A.T.).
    Abadango   WaDi The only Mewtwo player with a major win (Pound 2016), though I can see arguments for WaDi due to Abadango playing Bayonetta towards the game's end as well as WaDi's win over ZeRo.
    Taiheita The only Lucas player ranked on the PGR.
    Cloudy   Hyper Kirby,   TheFlow Insane Mexican results such as 2nd at Smash Fest 3 and 9th at Smash Factor 6 defeating Kameme. Hyper Kirby has consistent majors but not as many great wins while TheFlow had a great Albion 3 but also not that many great wins (cannot verify Lima win).
    Darkshad   Locus Tough since both have similar results, but Darkshad's ZeRo win trumps Locus's 1-place higher ranking on the PGR 100 in my opinion.
    MkLeo   Tweek One of the best Smash 4 players of all-time who stuck with Cloud until the end while Tweek eventually began playing more Bayonetta.
    Cosmos The only Corrin player to win a major (The Big House 8) and the only Corrin player ranked in the top 50 on the PGR 100.
    Salem   Tweek Salem being a contender for #1 when ZeRo was still active, his win at EVO 2017, and being solo-Bayonetta for most of Smash 4 takes it for me.
    Dapuffster Literally the only Mii Brawler player who did anything in competitive play.
    Rom   AEMehr AEMehr has better peaks (13th at IBP Masters Showdown) but Rom has by far the better wins (Kirihara, Raito, Pugwest).
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Tier ListEdit

Heavily opinionated Super Smash Bros. 4 Tier List
S A
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10-11
                     
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10-11
B
12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22-23
                       
12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22-23
B- C
24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37
                           
24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37
D+ D
38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49
                       
38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49
D- F Miis
50 51 52 53 54 55 -- -- --
                 
50 51 52 53 54 55 -- -- --

Key

Tier Description
S Top
A Top, but not S-tier Top
B High
B- High/Mid border
C Mid
D+ Mid/Low border
D Low
D Low, but not D low
F Bottom
Miis Miis (Unranked)