User talk:CanvasK/Archive 3

List of Pokemon

I’m not sure if you remember me, but I’m anon 174, maybe I should’ve put that popplio is the only non-upcoming Pokémon starter line not to be in SSB. 174.55.24.64 17:46, May 25, 2022 (EDT)

Guess I missed the Froakie mention for Greninja. Anyway, that just adds more qualifiers which makes it less interesting. A lot of similar trivia was removed not long ago and it will still be subject to change with how the Pokémon series works. Also, I don't see the point in referring to yourself as "anon 174" when there are over 16,000,000 potential IP addresses that start with 174; but I am aware of you editing in the past. --CanvasK (talk) 17:56, May 25, 2022 (EDT)

Shellder in Smash

I remember posting on the List of Pokemon page that Shellder was in smash but it got removed because it just was the slowbro one that cameoed in Melee. Does this count as a Shellder cameo or not? 174.55.24.64 03:44, May 26, 2022 (EDT)

Autopick

Why did you remove some of my autopick edits? 174.55.24.64 20:31, May 27, 2022 (EDT)

Did you read my edit summary? --CanvasK (talk) 20:33, May 27, 2022 (EDT)

Team rocket trio or Jessie and James?

On the melee trophies page, it says the team rocket trio owns Meowth even though Meowth is a part of the trio, so maybe it can be changed to just Jessie and James then. 174.55.24.64 22:22, May 28, 2022 (EDT)

It can easily be read as "Group's member" (ie Team Rocket trio's Jessie/James/talking Meowth) in the same way you can say "Queen's Freddie Mercury" or "the Sonic Team's Sonic". --CanvasK (talk) 22:28, May 28, 2022 (EDT)

Also, saying "Jessie and James' talking Meowth" implies that Meowth is just another Pokémon like Arbok and Weezing, despite him being being a key member. I'm sure he could (and probably has) leave the team after some kind of argument (and come back because plot reasons) because he is a fully independent. They are a trio, made up of Jessie, James, and Meowth, all of whom are their own person. --CanvasK (talk) 22:44, May 28, 2022 (EDT)

I’m not sure if Team Rocket is a trio anymore because Wobbuffet is always seen with the, yet bulbapedia still counts it as Jessie’s pokemon, but that is something that can only be discussed at Bulbapedia. 174.55.24.64 22:51, May 28, 2022 (EDT)

The Wobbuffet in Smash makes no claim that it is the same from Team Rocket, yet the Meowth trophy is unquestionably the same Meowth from Team Rocket. Wobbuffet also resides in a Poké Ball (that is Jessie's) the majority of the time, therefore being Jessie's Pokémon. Meowth doesn't have a Poké Ball, at least not one that Jessie or James has. Even Ash's Pikachu has a Poké Ball, it just really hates it and Ash doesn't try to force it in one, but it still has a Poké Ball which is Ash's. It also doesn't matter that Wobbuffet has been with them for a long time, it is still treated like a Pokémon (regularly used in battle and contests) unlike Meowth who is treated as a team member. --CanvasK (talk) 23:06, May 28, 2022 (EDT)

IP, you are comparing two completely different scenarios. Meowth actually joined Team Rocket as a member, not as a Pokémon, and he has yet to be captured by anyone. On the other hand, Wobbuffet was captured by another trainer and then accidentally traded to Jessie, therefore it's considered one of Jessie's Pokémon. Cookies

Creme 23:11, May 28, 2022 (EDT)

I guess I can see how Meowth is a part of the trio because he, of course, talks as his special power, and he doesn’t attack except for sometimes using Scratch and he doesn’t have a Pokeball, so I guess that’s why he isn’t counted as a Pokémon by Bulbapedia’s rules, but this is going off topic now. 174.55.24.64 23:55, May 28, 2022 (EDT)

Ssb4 trophy

I’m fairly certain Misty and Brock are only well known because of the anime, and they weren’t relevant at all in 2014, but Iris might make sense because Cilian isn’t mentioned, then that would also be an anime reference. 174.55.24.64 17:39, May 29, 2022 (EDT)

They're literally the first two gym leaders in Red, Blue, Green, Yellow, FireRed, and LeafGreen and are also in Gold, Silver, Crystal, HeartGold, and SoulSilver. I would say people know of them outside of the anime. Iris is one of the final gym leaders in White and is the Champion in Black 2 & White 2, the Champion of the Unova Pokémon League which is a stage in Smash. Again, people will know of her outside of the anime, I would know because I didn't watch the B&W anime. Cilan has nothing to do with this as he isn't mentioned in the trophy. --CanvasK (talk) 17:50, May 29, 2022 (EDT)

If the description mentioned Misty and Koga, or Brock or Sabrina, then it won’t be an anime reference, but since Ash and the first theme song were also referenced, I’m certain Misty and Brock were only mentioned because of the anime, where of course, they are best known (After all, the best known Team Rocket and Meowth are the ones from the anime). Iris is probably referencing her champion role, because Cilian isn’t mentioned, but Cynthia, the most well known champion, is referenced . Misty and Brock were also in Let’s Go Pikachu/Eevee too. 174.55.24.64 18:08, May 29, 2022 (EDT)

Ash is practically the face of Pokemon after Pikachu, so it is obvious to include him. Misty and Brock are big both in the games and the anime, easy choices. Black & White was the big thing prior/during to SSB4, both in anime and game, making Iris an easy choice. Even if the devs intended to cash in on just the anime, everything I mentioned dilutes how interesting the trivia point is. Cynthia drives my points in even more. I didn't mention LGP/E because they didn't exist when SSB4 came out, and if they did it wouldn't help your case. --CanvasK (talk) 18:16, May 29, 2022 (EDT)

This week’s event

Do you have a clue what this week’s event online tourney is gonna be yet? 174.55.24.64 21:28, May 30, 2022 (EDT)

No. They are announced a day or two prior to it being available. The Japanese Smash Twitter used to mention the events even sooner, but they don't do it for repeats. The soonest you'll hear about it is through Smash's "News" popup, which can also be seen here. Also, it won't be an event tourney, it'll be a spirit event. They've consistently done tourney-spirit-tourney-spirit-etc. --CanvasK (talk) 21:33, May 30, 2022 (EDT)

Castlevania edit

So on the "Elements appearing in the Super Smash Bros. series" page for Castlevania (universe) (specifically, these two sections), you've marked both instances of Stage 4' with a sic template.

After a bit of research, I have found that Rondo of Blood actually has a few alternate paths in certain levels that actually include an apostrophe in their number. To give a few examples:

Stage 2 Regular and Stage 2 Alternate

Stage 3 Regular and Stage 3 Alternate

Stage 4 Regular and Stage 4 Alternate

Stage 5 Regular and Stage 5 Alternate

In other words, the presence of apostrophes is very likely not a mistake, but rather just an oddly specific way of clarifying that these are special stages; and for the record, this is also how the Castlevania Wiki formats them (Stage 2', Stage 3', Stage 4', and Stage 5'). The Jacketed Terrapin 17:47, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

Fair enough. Then I guess the sic templates can be removed from there. --CanvasK (talk) 17:48, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

This

While I agree on undoing the edit, worth noting is the fact that we actually have multiple cases of redirecting for names in different languages, including French and Japanese. Aidan, the Rurouni 19:25, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

That's fair, forgot about those. The main reason to remove it was because of what was being linked to. Seel doesn't have a page, is just a trophy, and is a sea lion not a seal. I'm not aware of using disambig2 for things without dedicated pages but I could be wrong on that too. If anything, a disambig2 for Seal would go to Topi, but Seal already directs to a disambig page that includes Topi. --CanvasK (talk) 19:34, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

Sakurai Source

The reason why it was too hard to add trophies is right here: https://segmentnext.com/trophies-super-smash-bros-ultimate/ (Seel is also a Poke Float, not a trophy) 174.55.24.64 19:56, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

In that article it claims he said "trophies require a lot of work and effort than what everyone thinks". You said "making new models and descriptions were too hard for the developers to do". Do not put words in the developers mouth. --CanvasK (talk) 20:10, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

I just misremembered the sentence, sorry. 174.55.24.64 20:14, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

Seel

I’m fairly certain sea lions and seals are the same animal, and I think Seel is kinda seal like just like how Charizard is kinda dragon like despite being a lizard too and Jigglypuff is cat like despite being a balloon. Also, Dewgong (the evolved Seel) is named after a real life seal/sea lion. 174.55.24.64 20:00, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/seal-sealion.html. Dewgong is named after Dugongs, which are manatees not seals or sea lions. I feel there are too many degrees of separation for it to go on the "Seal" disambig page. --CanvasK (talk) 20:10, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

What does Bulbapedia say Seel is based on then, if that website works? 174.55.24.64 20:14, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

It doesn't matter. It is the Sea Lion Pokémon, it is not spelled "seal" in any language, and we already have a redirect for it. I see no reason to include it. --CanvasK (talk) 21:16, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

That page ironically enough says that Seel is at least named after a seal. Comparing deals to sea lions are like comparing alligators to crocodiles and King K. Rool is based on both. Also, I’m pretty sure some people might spell Seel’s name as Seal. But, this discussion only belongs on Bulbapedia. 174.55.24.64 21:32, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

One more thing, Seel doesn’t have ear flaps or feet, can’t walk, and is mainly found in water like seals, meaning that it has more seal traits then sea lion traits, and the Japanese category name might refer to Seel as a seal pokemon, but I don’t know that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.55.24.64 (talk • contribs) 22:07, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

(reset indent) For the IP's sake, I went through an archived page of Bulbapedia's Seel page. The wiki does mention that Seel is seemingly (emphasizing on seemingly) based off of the earless seal. However, it also notes that Seel's body characteristics are also reminiscent of several other animals that reside in the Arctic Ocean, including whales and narwhals. Nevertheless, it's still pointless arguing whether Seel is based off a seal since Seel's species is specifically mentioned to be the "Sea Lion Pokémon", and seals and sea lions are certainly not the same animal. Cookies Creme 23:21, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

Tgere is a TV Trooe called Mix and Match Critters, and Seel and Dewgong seem to be that with them being based on seals, sea lions, dugongs, manatees, whales, and narwhals, just like how Charizard is both a lizard and a dragon and how Jigglypuff is both a balloon and a cat (around the ears), and even Pikachu itself is a hamster, a mouse, and a rabbit around the ears. That’s all I have to say about this because Pokemon of course, doesn’t copy from real life animals and just makes their own fictional species. 174.55.24.64 23:36, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

I also searched Seel and the trope name together, and it said on TV tropes that it has a narwhal horn, walrus tusks, and a mermaid tail. 174.55.24.64 23:57, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

Redrict suggestion

Maybe you can make a Tauros redrict too since like Krabby and Muk which evolves from Grimer, they were all Pokémon Ash sent to Professor Oak’s lab in season 1 of the Pokémon anime. 174.55.24.64 20:50, June 11, 2022 (EDT)

That's... not a reason to give it a redirect, and neither Muk or Grimer appear in Smash; you should also know that Grimer's redirect has been removed. The reason why Krabby and a few others have redirects is because they appear somewhere in Smash. The ones pointing to the Pokemon list are namely from Melee's opening movie or Poke Floats. I might go through the list at some point and see who does or doesn't have redirects and go from there. --CanvasK (talk) 21:03, June 11, 2022 (EDT)

I meant to say you edited the Grimer Japanese page and it made me think of Ash’s Muk and kingler because you edited Krabby’s page, and all the spirit debuts don’t have redirects yet. 174.55.24.64 21:05, June 11, 2022 (EDT)

File format

On Texas Power Rankings/Austin Power Rankings why did you remove my .png upload with a .jpg upload here? I uploaded in .png because .jpg loses data with its lossy compression. --Meester Tweester (talk) 08:00, June 14, 2022 (EDT)

Seems the reason he did that was because the original file was a jpeg. Though there is some advantage to converting jpegs to pngs when downscaled for articles, as this won't produce further compression artifacts. jpegs generally look better at the original resolution than a scaled down resolution, while with pngs aside from the obvious downgrade of having fewer pixels, there isn't really much further degradation. Alex the Weeb 08:35, June 14, 2022 (EDT)

(at work and forgot to update my autofill) The image in the tweet that was linked is a JPG. If I recall I think I saw JPG artifacts in your PNG upload, meaning the JPG was converted to PNG. PNG prefers smooth transitions and JPG is inherently noisy, making a PNG'd JPG worse than a normal PNG in terms of file size. I uploaded straight from the source link so there wouldn't be any further artifacting from resaving it. If you have a file that is originally PNG and not converted from JPG then I say go ahead and replace it; if it is still too big in filesize, you can use FileOptimizer to further compress while being lossless. But for now I would say the JPG upload is best because it is 1:1 with the source in quality and size. 172.58.146.36 08:45, June 14, 2022 (EDT)

Now that I'm home, I no longer have your PNG upload that I saved to check for artifacts to check it again, but the above would be why. The JPG is 1,526,893 bytes and using GIMP to export to a PNG at max compression gave 9,485,347, 6.2x the file size (FileOptimizer got it down to 5.97x, not much better). JPG chokes on sharp edges (which is in abundance, especially with the half-tone background), resulting in a lot of artifacts. Said artifacts create messy areas that PNG will then choke on, but would do better on a cleaner input.

"Though there is some advantage to converting jpegs to pngs when downscaled for articles, as this won't produce further compression artifacts", hypothetically yes, in practice it barely matters. JPG's artifacts are almost always in 8x8 pixel blocks (sometimes 16x16 but much less often). The article image was scaled down to 500x250 px with the source being 4000x2000 px. This is an 1/8x scale, meaning the source artifacts would be scaled down to single pixels and thus have little to no influence on the discrete cosine transform (DCT, the part of JPG that causes the artifacts) when resaving. Even at 1/4x scale any resulting artifacts would be unnoticeable except to someone like me who scrutinizes this kind of stuff, but even then that kind of person would directly open the image to see it raw instead of an inferior copy. 1/4x is pretty common on the wiki with most game screenshots being 1280x720 and scaling down to a reasonable 300xWhatever size.

In short, better to keep JPGs as JPGs and PNGs as PNGs. It is extra disk space for the wiki, extra bandwidth for the wiki, probably longer load times (because of the larger file size and the more convoluted rendering sequence), and extra disk space for whomever downloads the image for whatever they need—which will probably be turned in to another lossy format, so double artifacts. If the source is a video then artifacts are inevitable and a PNG is preferred to prevent double artifacting, though the highest quality available should be used if possible. --CanvasK (talk) 16:15, June 14, 2022 (EDT)

Voice Vandalism

Why is the List of voice actors page being vandalized all the time? 174.55.24.64 19:24, July 6, 2022 (EDT)

Not all of it is vandalism, quite a bit is good faith edits that don't quite cut it for one reason or another.

Take the Wolf/Ja Green edit recently as an example. Ja Green did voice Wolf at one point, just not in a Smash appearance. This is an easy thing to happen because someone can go to a voice actor repository or another wiki and see "ACTOR NAME... CHARACTER (voice)" and assume it applies everywhere but in actuality is only for select instances.

Another case of assumed vandalism that turned out to be true was "Mr. T" as Snorlax. It took a while for another editor to find information that Mr. T did voice Snorlax. But it wasn't Mr. T the American actor, instead it was a Japanese actor that (I think) used that name to be anonymous, essentially being listed in credits as "Actor T".

This isn't helped by the fact that, prior to Ultimate, you would need a certain region's version of Smash to know if the voice actor was different. In a lot of cases the actors are listed in the credits but not along with their role. Even in Sound Test the voice actor might be listed, but usually only for Japanese, which as an English wiki can be a little hard to get info on. Many actors don't publicly announce or list their roles for any number of reasons. This often results in editors needing to dig through other websites, many of which don't give a citation (sometimes they'll cite another site which repeats the issue) and with voice acting it can be hard to give a citation in the first place.

Obviously we'll get someone who thinks it is hilarious to say Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson is Mario and it gets removed. But in a lot of cases it is just a complicated mess. --CanvasK (talk) 20:07, July 6, 2022 (EDT)

Yousei

How did he come back to SmashWiki to argue about voices if he’s already blocked? 174.55.24.64 17:47, July 10, 2022 (EDT)

Blocks can have different settings, such as removing the ability to edit articles, use email, create accounts, etc. It is common for blocks to allow users to keep the ability to edit their talk page so they can attempt to get unblocked, such as there being a misunderstanding or their username breaks the username policy (which would need the being able to talk to suggest an appropriate name); for obvious bad-faith/vandals or a user refusing to use the talk page to repeal and continue to be a nuisance, then they often get that ability removed. In Yousei's case, they still have access to their talk page but can't edit articles. --CanvasK (talk) 18:05, July 10, 2022 (EDT)

Yousei sockpuppet

Edited the Blastoise page. 174.55.24.64 21:57, July 15, 2022 (EDT)

If you're gonna warn SmashWiki about potential sockpuppets, don't go on a random user's talk page. We have the Admin noticeboard for that (you could alternatively ping an admin on Discord if you have an account on there).Actually scratch that, IPs can't edit on the Admin's Noticeboard, so never mind what I said (If you do eventually make an account, though, then please use it next time).

The Jacketed Terrapin

23:07, July 15, 2022 (EDT)

I have a tab open just for Recent Changes, I saw them. Even if I didn't see them before your message, I (or someone else) would have eventually. Yousei's edits aren't the kind that need immediate attention. --CanvasK (talk) 23:35, July 15, 2022 (EDT)

Also, we have people on Discord notifying the admins about Yousei, so the people who are supposed to deal with these situations know what's going on. Cookies

Creme 14:55, July 16, 2022 (EDT)

Why wasn’t the Yousei sockpuppet added to the administrator’s noticeboard yet? 174.55.24.64 18:59, July 17, 2022 (EDT)

He's blocked already. Stop posting about him. Alex the Weeb 19:05, July 17, 2022 (EDT)