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(→‎Overview: Made it clear in the 1st paragraph that its primary use in Melee is as an attack, not a reflector; also added to the list of flaws.)
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[[File:Fox Down Special Hitbox Melee.gif|thumb|The hitbox of Fox's shine.]]
[[File:Fox Down Special Hitbox Melee.gif|thumb|The hitbox of Fox's shine.]]
[[File:Fox Shine Frame 1 Melee.png|thumb|Fox's hitbox and intangibility can be seen on frame 1.]]
[[File:Fox Shine Frame 1 Melee.png|thumb|Fox's hitbox and intangibility can be seen on frame 1.]]
Fox's '''[[Reflector (Fox)|Reflector]]''', known informally as a '''shine''', can reflect projectiles that are fired on Fox back at the opponent. Fox can also use the reflector as a direct attack, knocking opponents on a set [[semi-spike]] trajectory.  
Fox's '''[[Reflector (Fox)|Reflector]]''', known informally as a '''shine''', can reflect projectiles that are fired on Fox back at the opponent. It's primary use (in Melee), however, is as a direct attack, knocking opponents on a set [[semi-spike]] trajectory.  


This move is widely considered the best move in the game, as well as the primary factor in the advancement of Fox's metagame. It comes out in one frame without any delay and has [[set knockback]] and [[hitstun]], allowing it to be used for [[edgeguarding]]; [[gimp]]ing an opponent with this move is called a [[shine spike]]. By [[jump cancel]]ing the shine, which allows him to [[waveshine|wavedash out of it]], Fox can follow up with other moves such as a {{mvsub|Fox|SSBM|neutral aerial}}, {{mvsub|Fox|SSBM|up tilt}}, {{mvsub|Fox|SSBM|up smash}}, or another shine, allowing it to be used as a combo starter, extender or finisher at any percent.  
This move is widely considered the best move in the game, as well as the primary factor in the advancement of Fox's metagame. It comes out in one frame without any delay and has [[set knockback]] and [[hitstun]], allowing it to be used for [[edgeguarding]]; [[gimp]]ing an opponent with this move is called a [[shine spike]]. By [[jump cancel]]ing the shine, which allows him to [[waveshine|wavedash out of it]], Fox can follow up with other moves such as a {{mvsub|Fox|SSBM|neutral aerial}}, {{mvsub|Fox|SSBM|up tilt}}, {{mvsub|Fox|SSBM|up smash}}, or another shine, allowing it to be used as a combo starter, extender or finisher at any percent.  
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The shine is also known for its fantastic ability to pressure shields. Due to the shine's ability to be jump-canceled, Fox can perform a technique called the multi-shine, where he can use several shines in a row without leaving the ground; Fox can use [[SHFFL]]'d aerials in the mix to force opponents to react as well. Fox can also use the initial frame of invincibility and jump cancel the shine into a grab (known as shine grabbing) to safely grab opponents. Even if he misses the shine as an attack, Fox can safely jump away from the opponent and force a reaction.  
The shine is also known for its fantastic ability to pressure shields. Due to the shine's ability to be jump-canceled, Fox can perform a technique called the multi-shine, where he can use several shines in a row without leaving the ground; Fox can use [[SHFFL]]'d aerials in the mix to force opponents to react as well. Fox can also use the initial frame of invincibility and jump cancel the shine into a grab (known as shine grabbing) to safely grab opponents. Even if he misses the shine as an attack, Fox can safely jump away from the opponent and force a reaction.  


The only flaw with the Reflector is that it will shatter if it bounces back the same projectile too many times due to an upper limit to how much base damage the reflected projectile should have before making contact with the Reflector. When this happens, Fox will go through the stun animation and be completely vulnerable to attack.
Though it's extremely fast and versatile, the move is not without flaws. The hitbox lasts for a single frame, necessitating Fox to be in range before activating it, rather than using it as an approach tool like his neutral aerial. Against opponents who [[Tumbling|tumble]] (Fox, Falco, Jigglypuff & Pikachu being the most common in tournament), if it hits while they're still on the ground, they can [[tech]], potentially escaping a punish. If it hits while they're on the ground ''and'' near the edge of the stage or a platform, they can [[Slideoff DI|slideoff]], immediately becoming actionable. Against opponents who don't tumble (Marth, C. Falcon, Peach, etc...), if it hits while they're in the air and slightly above the stage or a platform, they can land on the ground, thus entering their landing animation and cancelling the remaining hitstun, potentially leading to a reversal. In addition, if it's used to reflect projectiles, it will shatter if it bounces back the same projectile too many times due to an upper limit to how much base damage the reflected projectile should have before making contact with the Reflector. When this happens, Fox will go through the stun animation and be completely vulnerable to attack.


==Hitboxes==
==Hitboxes==

Revision as of 21:42, June 30, 2024

This article is about the hitbox visualization in Super Smash Bros. Melee. For the move itself, see Reflector (Fox).

Overview

The hitbox of Fox's shine.
Fox's hitbox and intangibility can be seen on frame 1.

Fox's Reflector, known informally as a shine, can reflect projectiles that are fired on Fox back at the opponent. It's primary use (in Melee), however, is as a direct attack, knocking opponents on a set semi-spike trajectory.

This move is widely considered the best move in the game, as well as the primary factor in the advancement of Fox's metagame. It comes out in one frame without any delay and has set knockback and hitstun, allowing it to be used for edgeguarding; gimping an opponent with this move is called a shine spike. By jump canceling the shine, which allows him to wavedash out of it, Fox can follow up with other moves such as a neutral aerial, up tilt, up smash, or another shine, allowing it to be used as a combo starter, extender or finisher at any percent.

The shine is also known for its fantastic ability to pressure shields. Due to the shine's ability to be jump-canceled, Fox can perform a technique called the multi-shine, where he can use several shines in a row without leaving the ground; Fox can use SHFFL'd aerials in the mix to force opponents to react as well. Fox can also use the initial frame of invincibility and jump cancel the shine into a grab (known as shine grabbing) to safely grab opponents. Even if he misses the shine as an attack, Fox can safely jump away from the opponent and force a reaction.

Though it's extremely fast and versatile, the move is not without flaws. The hitbox lasts for a single frame, necessitating Fox to be in range before activating it, rather than using it as an approach tool like his neutral aerial. Against opponents who tumble (Fox, Falco, Jigglypuff & Pikachu being the most common in tournament), if it hits while they're still on the ground, they can tech, potentially escaping a punish. If it hits while they're on the ground and near the edge of the stage or a platform, they can slideoff, immediately becoming actionable. Against opponents who don't tumble (Marth, C. Falcon, Peach, etc...), if it hits while they're in the air and slightly above the stage or a platform, they can land on the ground, thus entering their landing animation and cancelling the remaining hitstun, potentially leading to a reversal. In addition, if it's used to reflect projectiles, it will shatter if it bounces back the same projectile too many times due to an upper limit to how much base damage the reflected projectile should have before making contact with the Reflector. When this happens, Fox will go through the stun animation and be completely vulnerable to attack.

Hitboxes

ID Part Damage SD Angle BK KS FKV Radius Bone Offset Clang Rebound Effect G A Sound
0 0 5% 0 AngleIcon0.png 0 100 80 7.999488 3 0.0 0.0 0.0 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(NoRebound).png Electric (effect) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Burn

Timing

Minimum duration

Hitbox 1
Intangible 1
Reflects 4-21
Jump-cancellable 4-21
Turnaround possible 4-21
Animation length 39
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FrameIcon(Intangible).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png

In general

Hitbox 1
Intangible 1
Reflects 4-[release+1]
Jump-cancellable 4-[release+1]
Turnaround possible 4-[release+1]
Animation length [release+19]
FrameIcon(Hitbox).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(LagLoopS).png FrameIcon(ReflectLoopE).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(ReflectLoopS).png FrameIcon(LagLoopE).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png
FrameIcon(Intangible).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(VulnerableLoopS).png FrameIcon(VulnerableLoopE).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(VulnerableLoopS).png FrameIcon(VulnerableLoopE).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png
Legend (1 square = 1 frame)
Lag
Lag time		 Hitbox
Hitbox		 FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png
Vulnerable		 FrameIcon(BlankLoopS).pngFrameIcon(BlankLoopE).png
Loop point		 Reflection
Reflect		 Intangibility
Intangible

Turning around disables jump-canceling for 3 frames. These frames will always reflect, regardless of release time. If the reflect window was increased that way, the ending lag will also increase by the same amount.

Properties

Reflection radius 8.5
Reflection damage* 1.5x
Reflection speed 1.0x
Max reflectable damage 50
Reflection lag** 20

* Rounded up to the next whole number

** 20 frames + the ending animation

Similar moves


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