SmashWiki:Requests for adminship/ToastUltimatum (2)

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Candidate, please summarize why you are running for adminship below.
It has recently come to my attention that SmashWiki is currently suffering from a lack of active administrators. The SmashWiki:Administrators page lists three uadmins as active, those being Toomai, PenguinofDeath, and Clarinet Hawk. Clarinet Hawk, I haven’t seen in months, so I would consider him to be verging on inactive also. PenguinofDeath had been the kind of admin who wouldn’t actively edit on his own accord, though should any vandalism or matter of importance on the wiki, you could instantly contact him on the IRC channel, but his presence on there has been somewhat minimal as of late, leaving Toomai essentially all on his lonesome.

If a Wiki only has one active admin, then you’ve got a little bit of a problem. Some may say there are other candidates over myself, for example, ReiDemon or Mousehunter321. However, the former has no interest in administrating, and the latter has had multiple hiatuses in a short space of time, so I would like to put myself above those in that respect. To clarify, these were only examples, and I am not shooting them down should they try to RfA themselves. One advantage I may have over the other candidates would be this, however: I live in GMT. I would not say this wiki has any other candidates that live in this timezone, so any other candidates would just live in the same timezone as Toomai, leaving the Wiki at risk when all admins are sleeping. By making me an admin, we can have an admin active at all times.

Now, as I’m sure you remember, yes, I did make a request for adminship before, and it failed. The main reasons for this failure were the following:

• I don't see you enforcing the Wiki policies – Omega Tyrant – Since my failed RfA, I have been making an effort to enforce more policies. Granted, a lot of the time, this has been SW:SIGN and SW:TALK, though I have also guided people to fix their mistakes when they are breaking a rule without realising. I cannot link to any of these, as it will break the format of the RfA template.
• The Wiki doesn't need a janitorial admin, which you seem to be running for. – Omega Tyrant – As of late, I have been seeing less and less janitorial work done on this Wiki, it’s been a long time since somebody’s run through the candidates for speedy deletion. As a sysop, I would help to do this, in addition to all other admin duties.
• I question your need for administrative tools. – Mousehunter321 – At the time, perhaps it was less necessary, but now the Wiki is at a lack of admins, I may now have more of a need.
• I have not seen you take part in a noteworthy amount of user disputes. – ReiDemon – This is the only issue from my previous RfA I am yet to amend, as this Wiki undergoes a very low amount of user disputes. However, I have had some experience in user disputes, particularly those involving Smash Master, and I do feel as if I am capable of mediating a user dispute, should one arise.

In addition to amending these reasons as to why my former RfA failed, I have only grown on this Wiki, earning rollback, and learning more about how the wiki works. I now have experience administrating which I did not have before, as I am now an administrator on Icaruspedia, F-Zero Wiki and Lylat Wiki, all on NIWA (and Game & Watch Wiki, if that’s considered respectable). I can always be contacted on IRC, and I have made many major edits to this wiki already (a full list of my major contributions can be found on my userpage), and I have reverted a sizeable amount of vandalism. Every time after which, I would have to wait for another admin to come along and block.

Other administrative tools would benefit me greatly, such as being able to edit protected pages including Super Smash Bros. 4, and suppressing redirects.

One final thing I would like to note of myself is that a lot of the newer users tend to come to me for advice, or a custom signature, sometimes in place of the existing admins. This shows that, as a member of the community, I am relied upon, and already viewed in high regard by these new users. These qualities would surely be better suited to an admin, no? And I believe that that admin could be myself.

If you still have other flaws regarding my potential adminship that you would like to bring my attention, please do so, and if I am still not seen as the right candidate to earn these rights, then I will understand, as long as you explain why below. Thank you for reading. Toast ltimatum 17:55, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. We need more admins, and I trust you among the most of active users. Mr. Anontalk 17:56, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
2. Strong Support. This is a critical time for the wiki. As I write this paragraph at the risk of repeating what has been said both above and elsewhere, this wiki now basically has only Toomai as an admin. We need another admin, everyone. And who better than ToastUltimatum? Some of the other candidates I want to run for admin, such as RD, have little to no interest in adminship. On the other hand, Toast has interest in adminship, not because he's power-hungry, but because he genuinely wants to help the wiki, which is more than can be said for many people that have submitted RfAs. Toast is known around the community as a very helpful user. He has adminship experience from many other wikis. When there is a new user, he is always welcoming and trusted by them. When a new user breaks a policy by accident, he explains the policy to them in a way where people listen- firm enough to get his point across, but not so firm as to scare the new user away. As we all know, he isn't the type of user that would abuse admin powers. Okay, so he hasn't handled many disputes, but that's a good thing-- this means that the wiki doesn't have that much user disputes, and if it did, I would be completely confident in his ability to handle them. Thank you, Toast, for all you've done for me, this wiki, and its users. I wish you the best of luck in this RfA. Air Conditioner File:Accoolx.png 18:15, 4 August 2012 (EDT) (I hope people don't find this paragraph too redundant, repetitive and redundant...)
3. I gotta admit, the wiki only has 3 active admins, which I would consider rather low. I hope you do become an admin. Smash Master 18:18, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
4. Toast requested in our time of need. I'm sure he will be useful. ShupaRoeh 18:27, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
5. This wiki hasn't had an administrator in over 2 years and thus it would be extraordinary if there was a promotion. Also, he's an admin on numerous wikis (including mine :p) and I haven't seen him abuse the powers.--Bandit 18:56, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
6. We need more admins before the SSB4 rush, and I trust ToastUltimatum with this powers. He is already an admin on many wikis, including three NIWA wikis. I completely support Toast. DarkFox01: Smashing in Summer 19:06, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
7. I can't say anything that hasn't already been said with this support reason. I've only really seen Toomai editing lately, and this wiki is too big to only rely on one admin. JamesHeartless 19:35, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
8. A good admin needs to know the policies (check) and enforce the policies (check). Toast is a respected user who does get asked questions by new users. Sure, this may be because he welcomes them. The point is that he helps them anyway. This is admin material. Toast is also a good editor and had rollback, two things that I think go in his favor. To me, Toast could be a good admin. And, we may not need new admins right now but will do in a few months time when more SSB4 news and rumors start to surface so better to get admins now than to recruit them closer to the time on short notice. Solar Dragon ^{(Talk • Contribs.)} 06:39, 5 August 2012 (EDT)
9. Toast is a well-known, respected user who knows his policies on this wiki well. He has a good amount of edits, and is friendly. I believe that he can use the tools well if he receives them; I haven't seen any sign or hint that he would abuse the admin powers. Also, I think the wiki is in need of some janitorial work. There are many useless and outdated pages here and also ones sorely lacking in information. And while having not enough admins is not a good reason on its own to give Toast adminship, it definitely is a problem and I wholeheartedly believe that Toast would be a welcome addition to the "A" Team (pun intended). --Brian^{Don't try me!} 16:38, 5 August 2012 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Oppose Point 1: Link to the things you said you did, not just say you did them. Point 2: The Wiki in its current state simply doesn't need much janitorial work. Point 3: The Wiki needing admins does not mean you need the tools. Point 4: Again link to where you did what you say you did, especially since I seen you being pretty lackluster in this area. Also, Mousehunter and Reidemon aren't the only users I would support adminship for over you. And your GMT advantage is negated, when vandalism on the Wiki is near nonexistent, and when I can be often up during the time you would be. For the new users often going to you first, this honestly means pretty much nothing on your standing, reliance, and rep in the community (especially when they're just coming to you for custom signatures that they're too lazy to make on their own). All it means is you're one of the first established users that new users come in contact with (as you often do that welcome thing, as well as advertise those signatures you make for people). When established users start coming to you for advice and stuff, then maybe it'll mean something worthwhile. Omega Tyrant 22:08, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

Neutral

1. I would go either way. I am not aware about Toast's dispute handling. I may have a different opinion if I review the dispute on his talk page with Smash Master. LightningBlue 21:27, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

Comments

Wow. So far no opposition. If this RfA passes, we'll have our first admin promotion in over 2 years.--Bandit 19:17, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

This isn't a simple case of a vote count though. Even one influential oppose is enough to decide the whole outcome. Toast ltimatum 19:18, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

It does seem likely though. I'm just wondering if Omega Tyrant opposes with one huge post and this RfA drops or not.--Bandit 19:20, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

Read SW:YAV. If OT opposes, his opposition will only detract from the RFA if his reasoning is solid. If he gives a poor reason, Toast has nothing to worry about. If his reason is solid, though, the RFA will have serious problems. Mr. Anontalk 19:39, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

Some of the support votes are solid.--ShupaRoeh 20:33, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

Also AirCon, Toomai is a bureaucrat not an admin. LightningBlue 21:30, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

Technically I'm both. Toomai Glittershine Da Bomb 21:32, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

He needs both to do Bureaucrat and Admin powers. Dots The PSI Asian 21:57, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

@OmegaTyrant: I was unable to link while initially writing this RfA for whatever reason, but I can do so now. Links to my vandalism reverts can be found in my RfR [1], or more recent ones can be found here and here. Examples of me enforcing policies can be found here (SW:SIGN), here (Only revert once) and here SW:TALK/Don't edit archives). User conflict mediation is the only department I lack, though I figured I'd RfA now, as user conflict isn't likely to come along again. If IRC is relevent though, I did sort out a dispute there just yesterday, when a user was being directly offensive towards other users. You say the wiki doesn't need much janitorial work, but the janitorial work is still there, and will only grow as time goes on. Also, janitorial work goes beyond just deleting pages and files, from looking at the log, this Wiki makes no effort with patrolling, which I would. You say you can be awake in GMT, but you aren't supposed to be active, are you? Toomai can only be awake for so long, I'll cover the hours for which he's asleep. I know Mousehunter and ReiDemon aren't your only candidates, I only wished to use two examples so I'm not directly striking out every last bit of competition. Vandalism does happen more than you claim it does, when Mr. Curious is considered. There was also an edit war recently which happened during your hiatus. And the new users consulting me goes beyond just custom signatures, it's general advice too, as can be seen here, here, and here. Toast ltimatum 22:37, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

Vandalism reverts and rollback are pretty irrelevant to adminship, so linking them is pretty pointless. The policy enforcement links are aight, but are there more examples?

"User conflict mediation is the only department I lack, though I figured I'd RfA now, as user conflict isn't likely to come along again."

This is a Wiki, user conflict is always going to be prevalent.

"If IRC is relevent though, I did sort out a dispute there just yesterday, when a user was being directly offensive towards other users.

If you can provide a log, sure.

"You say the wiki doesn't need much janitorial work, but the janitorial work is still there, and will only grow as time goes on."

Doesn't mean we need new admins to clean it out.

"Also, janitorial work goes beyond just deleting pages and files, from looking at the log, this Wiki makes no effort with patrolling, which I would."

"Patrolling" is a useless Wiki function. Just because edits are labelled as "not patrolled" doesn't mean edits aren't looked over. I've looked over thousands and thousands of edits, and I didn't need a "patrol" button to do it.

"You say you can be awake in GMT, but you aren't supposed to be active, are you?"

If you want to go by that, PoD is active, and he's in your time zone, thus invalidating the perceived advantage.

"Vandalism does happen more than you claim it does, when Mr. Curious is considered."

Link me to 10 separate acts of vandalism that occurred in the past month that isn't Curious spam.

"There was also an edit war recently which happened during your hiatus."

A single edit war is not something to increase the need of more admins.

"And the new users consulting me goes beyond just custom signatures, it's general advice too, as can be seen here, here, and here."

You ignored this: All it means is you're one of the first established users that new users come in contact with (as you often do that welcome thing, as well as advertise those signatures you make for people).

New users aren't coming to you because of any outstanding reliability and rep you have on the Wiki, they're coming to you because you're one of the first users they've came in contact with. One of those cases you linked I can directly link the user coming to you because you left the welcome template on their talk page.

When it's established users coming to you for advice and such, then that can be used to support your reliability/rep. Omega Tyrant 01:08, 5 August 2012 (EDT)

OT is kinda right. There hasn't been very much spam or vandalism in the past month or two. But OT, is it extremely necessary for him to be "reliable". I understand he has no positive reliability from "established" users (please elaborate on that as I could be considered one, so can DarkFox or Mouse), but does that mean he could be unreliable if he recieved adminship. I do believe it is not urgent for you to be an admin Toast. If the activity (refering to Toomai's proposal) becomes very urgent, I would fully support.

Another thing SmashWiki is not related to the SmashWiki IRC Toast. You know that as well as I do. Managing this wiki is different from managing a IRC chat.

The activity on this wiki at this point is low. No real vandalism or issues (despite here which was resolved and I do credit you for in some extent) have occurred in the time I have been editing (about two weeks to a month). If there is no need for admins (as OT pointed out), then we can bump this to another time. However I am keeping my opinion as neutral. LightningBlue 02:51, 5 August 2012 (EDT)

I do not have a log of the dispute on IRC being resolved, only a print-screen of that user attacking a user (specifically, myself) in PM, and my responses. You can see that here, though I don't think that's quite what you would be looking for.

Janitor duties may not require an all-new admin to fix, but I haven't seen it be done in a long while, and giving me the option to do that would only be a bonus. Patrolling may be a bit redundant, but it still must look untidy having all those red !s, so having me clean those up would also be a bonus.

I'm sure PenguinofDeath checks the wiki on a daily basis, but he isn't on there for the whole duration of the time he's online. It used to be that we could instantly find him on IRC should there be a problem on the Wiki, but he's been there a lot less as of late (I know he's in France at the moment, but I'm talking about before then as well), and you have to jump through hoops to fetch him. i.e. Get Mega or ReiDemon (who both live in your timezone) to message him on Steam, at which point, I'll come along. It isn't healthy to have to go through so much to fetch an administrator, and I would be on IRC the whole time, and I always have a wiki open on a tab, this is SmashWiki most often.

10 pieces of vandalism is a lofty amount, and you know you set it that high just for another opportunity to shoot me down. I have to go offline now, but when I get back, I will search for some recent pieces. Toast ltimatum 06:39, 5 August 2012 (EDT)

Well, Curious happens on a regular basis, and will require blocking every time, so it counts for something, besides that, there has in recent times been a SmashPeter attack, this piece in July, Brandondorf, which may be considered vandalism, and required a block either way due to him circumventing his existing block. Going back to 3rd June, there was this, and a large quantity of vandalous edits from the same user, these on 3rd June also (potentially the same user, but IP's are very different). So all that has happened, and I'm just covering a space of 2 months and 2 days. I wouldn't call vandalism "non-existant" here, especially seeing as I did not link one Curious piece of spam. Toast ltimatum 12:03, 5 August 2012 (EDT)

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