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==Overview==
==Overview==
[[File:Ness Forward Smash Hitbox Melee.gif|thumb|Hitbox of Ness' forward smash.]]
[[File:Ness Forward Smash Hitbox Melee.gif|thumb|Hitbox of Ness' forward smash.]]
Ness brings out a baseball bat and swings it. This attack deals high knockback and damage but with a bit of [[start-up]] lag. The attack is unique among forward smashes that it can [[reflect]] projectiles when timed correctly. Ness's side smash can be [[sweetspot]]ted in order to deal more damage and knockback by hitting by the tip of the bat and can be [[sourspot]]ted by hitting by the handle.
Ness brings out a baseball bat and swings it. This attack deals high knockback and the most damage of any single-hit forward smash when tipped but is among the weakest at its innermost point. The attack is unique among forward smashes in that it can [[reflect]] projectiles when timed correctly. The move does more damage the further away the opponent is, with a reasonably fast hitbox; the reflection aspect mostly goes unused in competitive play due to the lag afterwards as well as the reflector's low range and short duration. While it is often recognized as the worst reflector in the game, it is also considered one of the best forward smashes in the game due to its decent speed, good range, high disjoint, and high power in all but the sourest of hits.  It sees frequent use in competitive play, for a move of its class, for its subtle rear-back and its ability to whiff-punish, especially during a [[pivot]].
 
==Hitboxes==
{{MeleeHitboxTableHeader}}
{{MeleeHitboxTableRow
|id=0
|damage={{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|18}}
|angle=361
|bk=50
|ks=62
|fkv=0
|r=600
|bn=0
|ypos=900
|zpos=1100
|effect=Normal
|slvl=L
|sfx=Bat
}}
{{MeleeHitboxTableRow
|id=1
|damage={{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|20}}
|angle=361
|bk=50
|ks=62
|fkv=0
|r=750
|bn=42
|effect=Normal
|slvl=L
|sfx=Bat
}}
{{MeleeHitboxTableRow
|id=2
|damage={{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|22}}
|angle=361
|bk=50
|ks=62
|fkv=0
|r=800
|bn=42
|ypos=1150
|effect=Normal
|slvl=L
|sfx=Bat
}}
{{MeleeHitboxTableRow
|id=3
|damage={{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|24}}
|angle=361
|bk=50
|ks=62
|fkv=0
|r=850
|bn=42
|ypos=2300
|effect=Normal
|slvl=L
|sfx=Bat
}}
|}


==Timing==
==Timing==
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|-
|-
!Hitbox
!Hitbox
|16-18
|16-17
|-
|-
!Interruptible
!Reflects
|50
|16-17
|-
|-
!Animation length
!Animation length
|49
|49
|-
!Interruptible
|50
|}
|}


{{FrameStripStart}}
{{FrameStripStart}}
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=10|e=LagChargeS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=5|s=LagChargeE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=3}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=31}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=0}}
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=10|e=LagChargeS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=5|s=LagChargeE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=32}}
|-
{{FrameStrip|t=Blank|c=10|e=BlankChargeS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Blank|c=5|s=BlankChargeE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Reflect|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Blank|c=32}}
{{FrameStripEnd}}
{{FrameStripEnd}}


{{FrameIconLegend|lag=y|charge=y|hitbox=y|reflect=y}}


{{competitive expertise}}
==Properties==
{{technical data}}
{|class="wikitable"
|-
!Reflection radius
|6.5
|-
!Reflection damage
|1.5x
|-
!Reflection speed
|1.0x
|-
!Max reflectable damage
|50
|}


{{MvSubNavNess|g=SSBM}}
{{MvSubNavNess|g=SSBM}}
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[[Category:Ness (SSBM)]]
[[Category:Ness (SSBM)]]
[[Category:Forward smashes (SSBM)]]
[[Category:Forward smashes (SSBM)]]
[[Category:Reflectors]]

Latest revision as of 19:34, October 17, 2024

Overview[edit]

Hitbox of Ness' forward smash.

Ness brings out a baseball bat and swings it. This attack deals high knockback and the most damage of any single-hit forward smash when tipped but is among the weakest at its innermost point. The attack is unique among forward smashes in that it can reflect projectiles when timed correctly. The move does more damage the further away the opponent is, with a reasonably fast hitbox; the reflection aspect mostly goes unused in competitive play due to the lag afterwards as well as the reflector's low range and short duration. While it is often recognized as the worst reflector in the game, it is also considered one of the best forward smashes in the game due to its decent speed, good range, high disjoint, and high power in all but the sourest of hits. It sees frequent use in competitive play, for a move of its class, for its subtle rear-back and its ability to whiff-punish, especially during a pivot.

Hitboxes[edit]

ID Part Damage SD Angle BK KS FKV Radius Bone Offset Clang Rebound Effect G A Sound
0 0 18% 0 Sakurai angle 50 62 0 2.3436 0 0.0 3.5154 4.2966 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png Normal (effect) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Bat
1 0 20% 0 Sakurai angle 50 62 0 2.9295 42 0.0 0.0 0.0 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png Normal (effect) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Bat
2 0 22% 0 Sakurai angle 50 62 0 3.1248 42 0.0 4.4919 0.0 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png Normal (effect) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Bat
3 0 24% 0 Sakurai angle 50 62 0 3.3201 42 0.0 8.9838 0.0 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png Normal (effect) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Bat

Timing[edit]

Charges between 10-11
Hitbox 16-17
Reflects 16-17
Animation length 49
Interruptible 50
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FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(BlankChargeS).png FrameIcon(BlankChargeE).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png
Legend (1 square = 1 frame)
Lag
Lag time		 ChargeCharge
Charge interval		 Hitbox
Hitbox		 Reflection
Reflect

Properties[edit]

Reflection radius 6.5
Reflection damage 1.5x
Reflection speed 1.0x
Max reflectable damage 50


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