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Initial impressions of Samus in ''Ultimate'' were negative: players pointed out how she lost the combo potential of her dash attack, one of her most useful tools in ''Smash 4'', along with her general lack of mechanical changes compared to fellow veterans such as {{SSBU|Link}}. Her unsafe jab, seemingly unchanged from ''Smash 4'' and once again acknowledged in in-game tips, became a common point of mockery. This viewpoint, however, quickly changed as the metagame progressed. Players cited her improved projectile game and KO potential, as well as her terrifying shield-break potential with Charge Shot as one of her primary strengths. While patches have nerfed the latter, Samus retained most of her previous strengths and benefited from the nerfs to some of her most difficult matchups such as {{SSBU|Wolf}}, {{SSBU|Olimar}} and {{SSBU|Pichu}}. Furthermore, both Samus and her echo fighter Dark Samus, who is preferred by some players due to her marginally better hitboxes and roll, continued to see success in tournament: players such as {{Sm|Joker}} and {{Sm|quiK}} have placed highly at several national tournaments, including 17th at {{Trn|The Big House 9}} for the former and 2nd at {{Trn|Syndicate 2019}} for the latter. As a result, most players agree that the Samuses are at least a high mid-tier character; with some professionals ranking the character higher, especially following their buffs in version 7.0.0.


===Most historically significant players===
===Most historically significant players===
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''See also: [[:Category:Samus professionals (SSBU)]]; [[:Category:Dark Samus professionals (SSBU)]]''
''See also: [[:Category:Samus players (SSBU)]]; [[:Category:Dark Samus players (SSBU)]]''


*{{Sm|Abadango|Japan|c1=Samus|g=SSBU}} - Plays Samus alongside {{SSBU|Meta Knight}} and {{SSBU|Palutena}}. Placed 2nd at {{Trn|Kagaribi 8}}, 3rd at {{Trn|VCA 2022}}, 4th at {{Trn|Shinosuma HEROES 1}}, 5th at {{Trn|Sumabato SP 24}}, and 9th at {{Trn|KOWLOON 3}}, with wins over players such as {{Sm|takera}}, {{Sm|Peli}}, and {{Sm|alice}}.  
*{{Sm|Abadango|Japan|c1=Samus|g=SSBU}} - Plays Samus alongside {{SSBU|Meta Knight}} and {{SSBU|Mr. Game & Watch}}. Placed 2nd at {{Trn|Kagaribi 8}}, 3rd at {{Trn|VCA 2022}}, 4th at {{Trn|Shinosuma HEROES 1}}, 5th at {{Trn|Sumabato SP 24}}, and 9th at {{Trn|KOWLOON 3}}, with wins over players such as {{Sm|takera}}, {{Sm|Peli}}, and {{Sm|alice}}.  
*{{Sm|IcyMist|United States|c1=Samus|g=SSBU}} - The best Samus player in the United States. Placed 9th at both {{Trn|Let's Make Big Moves 2022}} and {{Trn|Save Point: The PA State Championship}} as well as 13th at {{Trn|Super Smash Con: Fall Fest}} with wins over players such as {{Sm|Cosmos}}, {{Sm|ESAM}}, and {{Sm|Riddles}}. Ranked in the Area 51 on the [[PGRU v3 NA]]. Online, placed 4th at {{Trn|Ultimate Naifu Wars 8}} and 7th at {{Trn|Frame Perfect Series 3: ONLINE}}.
*{{Sm|IcyMist|United States|c1=Samus|g=SSBU}} - One of the best Samus players in North America in the post-online metagame, peaking at 76th on the [[UltRank 2022]]. She is considered one of the best players in the [[Midwest]], regularly placing top 8 at Midwest events including 4th at both {{Trn|Riptide 2023}} and {{Trn|The Big House 11}}. Outside of the Midwest, her best results including placing 9th at {{Trn|Let's Make Big Moves 2022}} and 13th at {{Trn|Super Smash Con: Fall Fest}}, while her best wins include {{Sm|Sonix}} at {{Trn|Super Smash Con 2023}} and {{Sm|Riddles}} at Fall Fest.
*{{Sm|Joker|Mexico|c1=Samus|g=SSBU}} - One of the best Samus players in the world pre-quarantine. Placed 7th at {{Trn|2GG: SwitchFest 2019}}, 9th at both {{Trn|Low Tier City 7}} and {{Trn|Smash Fest to the Sky}}, 17th at {{Trn|The Big House 9}}, and 33rd at {{Trn|GENESIS 7}} with wins over players such as {{Sm|ESAM}}, {{Sm|WaDi}}, and {{Sm|Rivers}}. Ranked as high as 8th, and is currently an honorable mention, on the [[Mexican Power Rankings]].
*{{Sm|Joker|Mexico|c1=Samus|g=SSBU}} - The best Samus player in North America in the early metagame, peaking at 95th on the [[OrionRank 2019]], and was a top 10 player in Mexico during this period. His best results during this period were in the United States, placing 7th at {{Trn|2GG: SwitchFest 2019}} defeating {{Sm|Nicko}} and {{Sm|WaDi}}, as well as 9th at {{Trn|Low Tier City 7}} defeating {{Sm|ESAM}}. Although less active since then, he still places highly at Mexican events when he does attend.
*{{Sm|parme|Japan|c1=Samus|g=SSBU}} - One of the best Samus players in Japan in 2019. Placed 5th at {{Trn|Sumabato SP 23}}, 9th at both {{Trn|Sumabato SP 6}} and {{Trn|Sumabato SP 12}}, and 13th at both {{Trn|Sumabato SP 5}} and {{Trn|Sumabato SP 9}} with wins over players such as {{Sm|T}}, {{Sm|Nishiya}}, and {{Sm|Kie}}. Ranked 48th on the [[Japan Player Rankings]].
*{{Sm|Parme|Japan|c1=Samus|g=SSBU}} - The best Samus player in Japan in 2019, placing highly at multiple {{trn|Sumabato}} events, including 9th at {{Trn|Sumabato SP 6}} and 13th at {{Trn|Sumabato SP 5}}. Although his results have since declined, he still remains a threat in [[Chūgoku]] and has seen some decent results at majors, including placing 33rd at {{Trn|Maesuma TOP 13}}.
*{{Sm|quiK|Germany|c1=Samus|g=SSBU}} - The best Samus player in the world during the early metagame. Placed 2nd at both {{Trn|Syndicate 2019}}, {{Trn|Valhalla III}} and {{Trn|e-Caribana}}, 3rd at {{Trn|VCA 2019}}, and 7th at {{Trn|Ultimate Fighting Arena 2019}} with wins over players such as {{Sm|Samsora}}, {{Sm|Glutonny}}, and {{Sm|KEN}}. Ranked 10th on the [[PGRU v3 EU]].
*{{Sm|quiK|Germany|c1=Samus|g=SSBU}} - The third-best Samus player of all-time, and the definitive best in 2019, ranked 37th on the [[OrionRank 2019]]. He was also the second-best player in Europe during this time, notably placing 2nd behind Glutonny at {{Trn|Syndicate 2019}}, {{Trn|Ultimate WANTED 2}}, and {{Trn|Valhalla III}}, and also placed 7th at {{Trn|Ultimate Fighting Arena 2019}} and 9th at {{Trn|Albion 4}}.
*{{Sm|sisqui|Spain|c1=Dark Samus|g=SSBU}} - The best Dark Samus player in the world. Placed 3rd at {{Trn|e-Caribana}}, 4th at {{Trn|Rise 'N Grind}}, 5th at {{Trn|COLOSSEL 2022}}, and 9th at both {{Trn|Smash World Tour 2021 Championships}} and {{Trn|GENESIS 8}} with wins over players such as {{Sm|Glutonny}}, {{Sm|Riddles}} and {{Sm|Tweek}}. Ranked 2nd on the [[PGRU v3 EU]] and 14th on the [[PGRU v3 NA]].
*{{Sm|Sisqui|Spain|c1=Samus|c2=Dark Samus|g=SSBU}} - One of the two best Samus players of all-time, peaking at 21st on the [[LumiRank 2023]], and is one of the best players in Europe in the post-online metagame. He regularly places top 8 at European majors, including 2nd at {{Trn|Ultimate Fighting Arena 2023}} and 5th at {{Trn|COLOSSEL 2022}}, while internationally, he has notably placed 4th at {{Trn|Rise 'N Grind}} and 5th at {{Trn|Smash Factor X}}.  
*{{Sm|Teaser|United States|c1=Samus|c2=Dark Samus|g=SSBU}} - Placed 1st at {{Trn|Set Count: 2-0}}, 5th at {{Trn|DreamHack Atlanta 2022}}, 17th at both {{Trn|GENESIS 8}} and {{Trn|Let's Make Moves Miami}}, and 25th at {{Trn|MomoCon 2022}} with wins over players such as {{Sm|Kola}}, {{Sm|Goblin}}, and {{Sm|Dark Wizzy}}. Ranked in the Area 51 position on the [[PGRU v3 NA]].
*{{Sm|Teaser|United States|c1=Samus|g=SSBU}} - One of the best Samus players in North America in 2022, peaking at 134th on the [[OrionRank 2022]]. He was a consistent threat in the [[Southeast]], especially with wins over some of its best players such as {{Sm|Kola}}, {{Sm|Wrath}}, and {{Sm|Fatality}} and placing highly at Southeast majors, including 17th at {{Trn|Let's Make Moves Miami}} and 25th at {{Trn|MomoCon 2022}}. Outside of his region, he notably placed 17th at {{Trn|GENESIS 8}}.
*{{Sm|Toura|Japan|c1=Samus|g=SSBU}} - One of the best Samus players in Japan. Placed 4th at {{Trn|Sumabato SP 19}}, 5th at both {{Trn|Umebura SP 9}} and {{Trn|Sumabato SP 18}}, 7th at {{Trn|Mēsuma}}, and 9th at {{Trn|Maesuma TOP 9}} with wins over players such as {{Sm|Atelier}}, {{Sm|Aaron}}, and {{Sm|DIO}}.
*{{Sm|Toura|Japan|c1=Samus|g=SSBU}} - The second-best Samus player in Japan, especially in the post-online metagame, peaking at 97th on the [[OrionRank 2022]]. He frequently places highly at Japanese majors, most notably 5th at {{Trn|Umebura SP 9}} and 9th at both {{Trn|Maesuma TOP 8}} and {{Trn|Maesuma TOP 9}}.  
*{{Sm|Yaura|Japan|c1=Dark Samus|c2=Samus|g=SSBU}} - One of the best Dark Samus players in the world. Placed 3rd at {{Trn|Sumabato SP 34}}, 4th at {{Trn|Maesuma TOP 10}} {{Trn|Maesuma TOP 5}}, and {{Trn|KOWLOON 2}} and 9th at {{Trn|Kagaribi 5}} with wins on players such as {{Sm|acola}}, {{Sm|ProtoBanham}}, and {{Sm|Hero|p=Japan}}. Ranked 19th on the [[Experimental Smash Player Rankings]].
*{{Sm|Yaura|Japan|c1=Samus|c2=Dark Samus|g=SSBU}} - One of the two best Samus and Dark Samus players of all-time, regularly placing in the top 8 at major Japanese events, most notably 4th at the supermajors {{Trn|Maesuma TOP 10}} and {{Trn|DELTA 5}}, and has wins over three of the [[four Horsemen]]. He is the only Samus player ever ranked in the top 20, with his highest being 13th on the [[LumiRank 2024.1]].
*{{Sm|YB|Japan|c1=Dark Samus|g=SSBU}} - The best Dark Samus player in Japan's online metagame. Placed 1st at [https://smashmate.net/tournament/503/ Tamisuma SP 38], and 2nd at [https://smashmate.net/tournament/781/ Tamisuma SP 56]. Previously ranked 1st on the [https://smashmate.net/record/24/ 1st] [[Smashmate]] SP ranking, [https://smashmate.net/record/27/ 4th SP ranking], [https://smashmate.net/record/30/ 7th SP ranking], [https://smashmate.net/record/32/ 9th SP ranking], [https://smashmate.net/record/33/ 10th SP ranking], and [https://smashmate.net/record/34/ 11th SP ranking]. Offline, placed 9th at {{Trn|Karisuma SP 8}} and 13th at {{Trn|2GG: Prime Saga}} with wins over {{Sm|ESAM}}, {{Sm|WaDi}}, and {{Sm|VoiD}}.<noinclude>[[Category:Templates]]</noinclude>
*{{Sm|YB|Japan|c1=Dark Samus|g=SSBU}} - Mainly known for dominating the early [[Smashmate]] ladder, including ranking 1st on half of the first ten Smashmate rankings. He has only made a handful of appearances offline, but is best known offline for his appearances in the United States, which includes placing 13th at {{Trn|2GG: Prime Saga}} defeating {{Sm|VoiD}} and {{Sm|WaDi}}, as well as top 8 finishes at {{Trn|2GG: Prime Saga Kickoff}} and [https://start.gg/tournament/mega-smash-mondays-185/details Mega Smash Mondays 185], where he also defeated {{Sm|Ally}} in the latter.
 
===Tier placement and history===
Initial impressions of Samus and Dark Samus in ''Ultimate'' were negative, largely due to comparisons with Samus's previous iteration. Players pointed out how she lost the combo potential of her dash attack, one of her most useful tools in ''Smash 4'', along with her general lack of mechanical changes compared to fellow veterans such as {{SSBU|Link}}. Her unsafe jab, seemingly unchanged from ''Smash 4'' and once again acknowledged in in-game tips, became a common point of mockery. However, this viewpoint did not stick for long, as Samus players began demonstrating how her improved projectile game, KO potential, and Charge Shot shield break potential allowed her and Dark Samus to compete in the top level, although the latter was eventually nerfed in updates. Early representation of either character came from {{Sm|YB}}, who, despite being a relatively unknown player from Japan, shocked the world by placing 13th at {{Trn|2GG: Prime Saga}}. Other Samus and Dark Samus players later followed suit, most notably {{Sm|Joker}} and {{Sm|quiK}}, both of who became one of the best players in Mexico and Europe, respectively. As such, players in the early metagame considered the Samuses as high-tier characters.
 
This viewpoint was maintained in the post-online metagame, which saw the Samuses' overall representation improve significantly, notably entering the top 10 by 2022.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gRlzy4z_dpqb2ZRhGoqtbDcuvUKz_ROsMZHGegon53M/edit#gid=329450080|title=OrionRank character data for July-December 2022}}</ref> This rise was due to the continued success of older Samus players alongside the appearances of several other Samus players on the global scene, including {{Sm|Sisqui}}, {{Sm|IcyMist}}, and {{Sm|Yaura}}. Due to this high representation and strong results, the Samuses were ranked 25th on the first tier list. Since then, they continued to be in the top 10 representation-wise, and Sisqui and Yaura remained top level threats in the metagame. As such, the Samuses received a large boost on the second tier list, and they currently sit at 15th in the A-tier.
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Most historically significant players

See also: Category:Samus players (SSBU); Category:Dark Samus players (SSBU)

Tier placement and history

Initial impressions of Samus and Dark Samus in Ultimate were negative, largely due to comparisons with Samus's previous iteration. Players pointed out how she lost the combo potential of her dash attack, one of her most useful tools in Smash 4, along with her general lack of mechanical changes compared to fellow veterans such as Link. Her unsafe jab, seemingly unchanged from Smash 4 and once again acknowledged in in-game tips, became a common point of mockery. However, this viewpoint did not stick for long, as Samus players began demonstrating how her improved projectile game, KO potential, and Charge Shot shield break potential allowed her and Dark Samus to compete in the top level, although the latter was eventually nerfed in updates. Early representation of either character came from YB, who, despite being a relatively unknown player from Japan, shocked the world by placing 13th at 2GG: Prime Saga. Other Samus and Dark Samus players later followed suit, most notably Joker and quiK, both of who became one of the best players in Mexico and Europe, respectively. As such, players in the early metagame considered the Samuses as high-tier characters.

This viewpoint was maintained in the post-online metagame, which saw the Samuses' overall representation improve significantly, notably entering the top 10 by 2022.[1] This rise was due to the continued success of older Samus players alongside the appearances of several other Samus players on the global scene, including Sisqui, IcyMist, and Yaura. Due to this high representation and strong results, the Samuses were ranked 25th on the first tier list. Since then, they continued to be in the top 10 representation-wise, and Sisqui and Yaura remained top level threats in the metagame. As such, the Samuses received a large boost on the second tier list, and they currently sit at 15th in the A-tier.