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Splitting the article

We don't know how different the games will end up being but shouldn't the WiiU and 3DS versions be on differnt pages? If not can someone explain why? 109.148.248.236 05:38, 6 September 2013 (EDT)

It doesn't look like we will need to split them now because the games are similar and little information is known. We have sufficiently covered their differences with the section called "Console differences". However, a split is likely once the games are released and more information is known. Awesome Cardinal 2000 09:56, 6 September 2013 (EDT)

No X-Bomb

I see nothing about the items, and the X Bomb.Ssb-er-1 (talk) 12:47, 2 November 2013 (EDT)

Mewtwo

Am I correct in assuming that this Mewtwo reveal was no joke? It also shows a couple of returns such as Lucario. Malake256 (talk) 00:59, 11 November 2013 (EST)

Oh sorry about that, I stumbled across this and confused this Project M with a different Project M that worked on Metroid: Other M, I see now that this is just about exploiting Brawl. Sorry. Malake256 (talk) 01:03, 11 November 2013 (EST)

Why bring this up on the talk page for the upcoming Super Smash Bros. game? We have a Project M page don't we? SeanWheeler (talk) 13:10, 11 November 2013 (EST)

Because he didn't realise that is was PM at first...? Scr7(talk · contribs) 13:12, 11 November 2013 (EST)

Items

We miss the items. X-Bomb, "Pikmin Rocket", Capsule ... Ssb-er-1 (talk) 12:56, 12 November 2013 (EST)

Reggie

Please tell me, why do you wish to withhold this information Omega? And why are you taking it so personal to the point of swearing/cursing? It is possible to talk about this without resorting to that you know.

But seriously, its valid information that could indeed be true, so why withhold it? Even as a form of trivia, it seems interesting enough to mention. I mean after all, this wiki has an article dedicated to a fan game. Why is a page dedicated to a fan game, that has no backing from any nintendo official (as far as i know), yet information regarding a legit game stated by someone who actually works for the company isn't?

I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, I honestly want to know your reasoning behind this. In the event it's not true, it makes interesting trivia and it gives people something to talk about. If it is true, then at least the wiki could take pride in the fact it helped the cause by promoting the thing via providing a link to the petition in question for people to sign.

Wouldn't it be nice knowing a character got into the game because its one fans actually worked together to get? Don't you want the wiki to be part of that? Again, in the event it is legit.
Ixbran (talk) 23:37, 4 December 2013 (EST)

Fan games have no backing from Nintendo but are released into the public. They are playable. They are not "fake" or hoaxes. Petitions as ridiculous as adding Reggie to a Smash game are clearly hoaxes, and if anything, deserves to be on the List of Rumors page and not on the main Smash 4 page. Don't add it there until Omega Tyrant puts his comment here, however. --Timson622222 (talk) 23:40, 4 December 2013 (EST)

I dont see how it could be a Hoax, i mean has Reggie been known for that sort of thing? Yea he had joked about wanting to be in the game. But after he said that, he admitted to having been joking about it and moved on. So I believe if he had been joking this time, he would have followed up with an "I'm joking guys." like last time.

I like to think it's the fans wish for him to actually be in the game that made Sakurai consider it. Wouldn't it be interesting if this was indeed true? It would be nice knowing that a character got into smash because it's something fans wanted, and worked together to get.
Ixbran (talk) 23:45, 4 December 2013 (EST)

"Please tell me, why do you wish to withhold this information?"

Because it's not legitimate information?

"And why are you taking it so personal to the point of swearing/cursing?"

"Swearing" does not mean someone is taking something "personally".

"But seriously, its valid information that could indeed be true, so why withhold it?"

Notice the bolded words, if we're adding information that "could be true", then when we are gearing right into speculation (though this goes beyond speculation as I'll get too shortly).

"Even as a form of trivia, it seems interesting enough to mention. I mean after all, this wiki has an article dedicated to a fan game. Why is a page dedicated to a fan game, that has no backing from any nintendo official (as far as i know), yet information regarding a legit game stated by someone who actually works for the company isn't?"

This is completely irrelevant. "Information" about a joke by a Nintendo employee and information about Brawl mods are two entirely different things, don't compare them. Additionally, a joke made by a Nintendo employee about being added to the game pre-development is not "interesting" trivia whatsoever, when it has absolutely no impact on the game.

"In the event it's not true, it makes interesting trivia and it gives people something to talk about."

That is completely irrelevant to the Wiki, we are here to report the facts, not "give people something to talk about".

"If it is true, then at least the wiki could take pride in the fact it helped the cause by promoting the thing via providing a link to the petition in question for people to sign."

Again completely irrelevant. We are an encyclopedia about Smash Bros., not a site to promote shit.

"Wouldn't it be nice knowing a character got into the game because its one fans actually worked together to get? Don't you want the wiki to be part of that?"

Please read what SmashWiki is not, we are not a fanon site that push for things to be in Smash. You seriously want Reggie in Smash? Take it elsewhere, don't use this Wiki to promote it.

"I dont see how it could be a Hoax, i mean has Reggie been known for that sort of thing?"

You seemingly aren't aware of the "My body is ready" meme, and why Reggie has the notoriety he does on the internet.

"So I believe if he had been joking this time, he would have followed up with an "I'm joking guys." like last time."

You're not familiar with the basis of humor are you? See, here's the thing, when people joke around, they don't flat out say it's a joke, as it otherwise ruins the joke. The fact he claims his final smash would be "MY BODY IS READY SLAM" should be quite clear he's entertaining the fanbase and is not at all being serious. Do I really need to fully explain the joke to you?

"I like to think it's the fans wish for him to actually be in the game that made Sakurai consider it. Wouldn't it be interesting if this was indeed true? It would be nice knowing that a character got into smash because it's something fans wanted, and worked together to get."

See what I said earlier about this, we're not going to start speculating on shit because fans "wish for it".

TLDR: It's an obvious joke made by a guy known for his entertaining antics, thus we will not cover it as if it's factual information about Smash 4 content. Also knock it off with the "it could be" and "wouldn't it be nice if X happened?" when they have no basis whatsoever for determining what information goes on the Wiki. Omega Tyrant 00:11, 5 December 2013 (EST)

the fact your so dead set on stating it is a joke and nothing more, without even considering the possibility of it being true, is disappointing. I figured that when it comes to a game company that is known for surprises and /silly/ things, people would learn to stop taking everything so seriously. After all games are supposed to be fun, and providing information about them should be as well. But you're really sucking the fun out of things by getting all uppity about this. I guess we will just have to wait and see how things turn out then. If its not true, then that's perfectly fine and I'll admit I was wrong. But if it does turn out to be true, and the necessary signatures for the petition are met, then making Reggie's Smash.4 character page is something I will thoroughly enjoy doing.
Ixbran (talk) 00:22, 5 December 2013 (EST)

"the fact your so dead set on stating it is a joke and nothing more"

Because obvious joke is obvious? You're the only one who's taking the joke seriously.

"without even considering the possibility of it being true"

SmashWiki is not speculative

"I figured that when it comes to a game company that is known for surprises and /silly/ things, people would learn to stop taking everything so seriously."

Except you know, this is the Wiki mainspace, an online encyclopedia, where it is completely serious. Do you know what a Wiki is for? The forums and userspaces are for fun, not the mainspace.

"and providing information about them should be as well."

Except the "information" you're trying to add here isn't actual information at all, and read my prior sentence.

"But you're really sucking the fun out of things by getting all uppity about this."

Again, read What SmashWiki is not. We are an online encyclopedia, not a pseudo-news site that reports things because "they're fun". And don't complain about users here "being uppity", because they maintain the factual basis of the Wiki and don't let you use it to post pseudo-news about how a guy joked about being in Smash Bros.

"If its not true, then that's perfectly fine and I'll admit I was wrong. But if it does turn out to be true, and the necessary signatures for the petition are met, then making Reggie's Smash.4 character page is something I will thoroughly enjoy doing."

You want to complain that I'm "taking things too seriously", yet here you are taking a joke from a guy notorious for them completely serious, and getting emotional and whiny about it when others shut you down about it. Don't be a hypocrite. Omega Tyrant 00:42, 5 December 2013 (EST)

I'd just like to note here that Nintendo stated just this past week that, back when Operation Rainfall was the petition-of-the-day, while they did ultimately decide to do what the fans wanted, they flat-out ignored the petition in the final decision process. So I'd say the chances of Sakurai even considering one are just about zero. Toomai Glittershine The Rainbow 10:11, 5 December 2013 (EST)

The Unidentified 3DS Stage is a DK Country Returns 3D Stage!

WHY WON'T ANYBODY ADMIT THAT THE UNIDENTIFIED 3DS STAGE IS A DK COUNTRY RETURNS 3D STAGE?! I JUST KNOW IT IS ONE! Luigi1234 (talk)

Firstly, you seem to have your caps lock stuck. It's the key to the left of "A", turn it off, as ALLCAPS is disruptive to talk page discussions as per SW:TALK. Secondly, there is no official source that it is a DK stage, so if you try to make this edit again, it'll just be reverted. Heck, [List of confirmed stages in Super Smash Bros. 4|this page] even has a clear note saying "do not claim that this is a DK stage". Scr7(talk · contribs) 13:46, 23 December 2013 (EST)

"I just know it is one"

That is not good enough, as far as we see, the stage could be many different things at this point. Sure it could very well be a DK stage, but SmashWiki is not speculative, and we want official confirmation or else hard evidence that strongly supports it, before we go claiming it on the Wiki as fact that it's going to be a DK stage. Omega Tyrant 13:56, 23 December 2013 (EST)

I don't think it is. Sakurai says that the game HAS a story mode and another photo released of a similar looking stage was posted with that comment.

While I believe there probably will be a stage from Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D, I don't believe this is it. The platforms in this stage look nothing like the platforms in DKCR. The only connection is that they both take place in a jungle, but even this is a stretch. None of the foliage have the characteristically cartoon-esch tropical palm trees in DKCR. Nintendo101 (talk) 12:44, 11 March 2014 (EDT)

Per SW:TALK, don't bump discussions that happened almost three months ago. MeatBall104: The Bikini-Inspector! >:D 17:00, 11 March 2014 (EDT)

Assist Characters

"ATs should probably not get that kind of significant billing on the game's main page; Brawl's page doesn't even list them"
-Toomai

If you dont mind my asking, are there any specific reasons as to why their not included, on either the Brawl or Smash.4 pages? I mean sure their not playable, but it would be nice for people browsing the wiki to be able to access their page from the games pages.
Ixbran (talk) 01:11, 29 December 2013 (EST)

Different Colors?

I think I saw a pic on the SSB4 website, with King Dedede lying on the ground on the Mario Galaxy stage, and his hat was PINK! should I post this as news? -The Master Hand

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Besides the fact Dedede already had a pink palette, any new palette would go on the character's page, it's not newsworthy unless it's a significant alt costume (like Dr. Mario for Mario). Omega Tyrant 08:03, 10 January 2014 (EST)

ssb4 release date be like

December 31, 2014. Chilex (talk) 11:18, 19 January 2014 (EST)

Amazon? Really? What kind of source is that... 93.105.60.106 11:46, 19 January 2014 (EST)

Naw bro, the game also comes out September 1st, but sure, let's trust Amazon. After all, this obscure site chooses the same date, which is actually the safest day to bet on because by then, SSB4 has to be released rather than predicting the actual day of release earlier in the year. Also:

• Reportedly, GameStop is expecting that Super Smash Bros. 4 Wii U and Nintendo 3DS release date may be set for April 8, 2014. The post on Examiner noted that this particular Super Smash Bros. 4 release date falls on a Tuesday. Usually, this is the day of the week when most of the new software items are released to retailers.

• However, before this latest Super Smash Bros. 4 Wii U release date emerged, other potential schedules were already popping up online. For instance, the website, Newegg.com posted that Super Smash Bros. 4 Wii U release date might happen on December 31. Meanwhile, the launch of the Nintendo 3DS version was believed to come out on May 16, 2014.

Gee, retailers are really trustworthy, right? MegaTron1XD 12:07, 19 January 2014 (EST)

Items

Should we post a list of items, like we have for characters and stages? 76.99.4.197 20:56, 6 February 2014 (EST)

Well we don't do so for the other games' pages, so I'm going to say no. Toomai Glittershine The Free 21:53, 6 February 2014 (EST)

Remove the "unidentified stage"

The stages section of this article is reserved for multiplayer stages, yes? Due to the size of the stage, lack of clear origin, and the fact that we've only seen one character inside it, it's obvious to me that the "unidentified stage" is part of the single-player mode, just like this area. It should also be taken out of the List of confirmed stages article, and we should provide details on what we know of the single-player mode on the article. Provided you all agree, that is. Toast ltimatum 20:02, 13 February 2014 (EST)

Nothing proves that it is a single player stage. I think it's some other mode as well, but it could easily be a zoom of some New Pork City type of stage or something else. Because SmashWiki is not speculative, it stays. --72.53.134.85 16:14, 19 February 2014 (EST)

But what of Yoshi, Ness, Captain Falcon and Jigglypuff?

Am I the only one around here who's getting paranoid that those characters got the axe? 81.155.191.75 03:21, 7 March 2014 (EST)

Please read SW:TALK. Miles (talk) 03:21, 7 March 2014 (EST)

I'll also quickly point out that reveal order is pretty much meaningless, and people have to stop whinging about it. It's clear by now that Sakurai does it randomly or to promote the release of new games (and guess what, none of those characters had any new games lately they could promote (well there was Pokemon X/Y, but Jigglypuff is among the least relevant pokemon in it, so it made no sense to reveal her to "promote" X/Y)). If you want to do any farther discussion, take it to the forums. Omega Tyrant 04:29, 7 March 2014 (EST)

Grammar

I know this is a waste of time, but someone has to do this.

Every time I read this page, it bothers me when it says 3DS stuff can be IMPORTED into the WiiU. It should say "imparted."75.85.64.155 01:37, 2 April 2014 (EDT)

Nope, "imported" is the correct word for taking data from one source and copying it to another. Toomai Glittershine The Jiggy 10:37, 2 April 2014 (EDT)

Nintendo's SSB4 April Fools Day Joke

Aparrently, though its not visible on the website via an icon, there is a character profile for a nintendo character by the name of Nester?

• http://www.smashbros.us/us/characters/nester.html

Should this be noted on the Wiki, or should we just leave it alone?
Ixbran (talk) 01:04, 3 April 2014 (EDT)

1. The page in question isn't hosted on the official site. Look at the domain: the main url features a .us, whereas the official site uses the standard .com
2. If you go to site without all of the guff at the end of the URL (eg www.smashbros.us), you get an image with a link to another site still, which is a fanblog devoted to an attempt to revive Nintendo Power.

As such, this page does not warrant inclusion on this page, due to being non-notable and fanon.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 01:17, 3 April 2014 (EDT)

Ahh, alrighty then. I hadnt noticed the oddity in the URL, my bad. Oh well, I understand. Thank you for answering my question.
Ixbran (talk) 01:30, 3 April 2014 (EDT)

Music page?

I was wondering if we could have a music page for songs heard on trailers and songs confirmed for the My Music on Wii U and 3DS? Magiciandude (talk) 23:13, 8 April 2014 (EDT)

Probably not yet. Toomai Glittershine The Altruistic 23:18, 8 April 2014 (EDT)

bunch of new screen shots posted on flickr

click me

I'd post these my self, but i'm kind of busy. So i figured that y'all should know about these, shows off a lot of stuff that wasn't in the direct, specifically items.
Ixbran (talk) 02:20, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Looks 99.95% legit to me, but these should stay listed as rumors until confirmed by a more official source. Miles (talk) 02:23, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

its the same situation of all those Zelda pics. Official images released on alternate websites by official staff. But if you dont want these getting uploaded, then alright.
Ixbran (talk) 02:47, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

These Wii U shots have been posted on Nintendo Everything (http://nintendoeverything.com/super-smash-bros-for-wii-u-tons-of-screenshots/). They also have new 3DS shots (that weren't on that flickr) that confirm other Pokémon then the ones in the Direct. (http://nintendoeverything.com/super-smash-bros-for-3ds-tons-of-screenshots/)108.208.102.9 03:35, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

This is guaranteed 100% confirmed sinciere irrefutable truth. It is pretty much impossible for even a team of fakers to produce so many screenshots of such quality, that happen to have the same ATs and Pokémon, Yoshi design, and items as those confirmed hours earlier. These is real there's zero doubt about it. Toomai Glittershine Le Grand Fromage 10:00, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Pretty much. Other sites are posting them now. 38.124.7.10 12:19, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Indeterminate Veterans Table

Should a table like this be added below the confirmed characters?

Indeterminate

*

As characters are confirmed, their heads can be removed. 130.102.158.13 06:22, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

I don't see what the purpose of this is. Toomai Glittershine The Researcher 09:30, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

I do. This makes for a great way to jot down the veterans that haven't been confirmed yet. That way, when one is confirmed, we can get rid of their image, and any that get de-confirmed like the Pokemon Trainer can have a big X (X) next to their icon. How about it? --EpicWendigo (talk) 20:30, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

It's pretty obvious who's not confirmed - those who aren't on the page. Toomai Glittershine The Metroid 22:50, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

I my self think its a good idea, it doesn't hurt to show what veterans from brawl have yet to re-appear. A nice instant reminder of whos yet to appear, without having to look through the site to remind ones self whos not yet confirmed.
Ixbran (talk) 23:14, 20 April 2014 (EDT)

So I went ahead and added the intermediates, along with the Melee characters and their series symbols. SeanWheeler (talk) 09:29, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

Yep looks about as bad as I expected; now the page is no longer purely confirmed information. You're going to need a bit more than "it tells us who's unconfirmed or deconfirmed" when doing so isn't really the purpose of the page. Toomai Glittershine The Jiggy 09:57, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

+1 to Toomai. No need for this right now. Once the game is out, we can have a section on peeps that don't reappear, but no good reason to have it. Also, indeterminate is not the right word. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 10:01, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

Tethers removed?

Just noticed, it seems tether recoveries are being removed. We haven't seen any used yet, and Olimar and Zero Suit Samus have new up special recovery moves replacing their tethers. Omega Tyrant 20:23, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Sheik's chain also seems to have been replaced. No word on Link/Toon Link, ZSS's side special, or potentially other returning characters with tethers (Ice Climbers, Lucas, etc.). Miles (talk) 20:26, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Sheik also lost her chain (well, the end has a bomb on it now). You might be right, but I think we should wait for an official confirmation, like gliding. After all, Samus and Link might still be able to zair tether. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 20:28, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

We have already seen Link using the Clawshot, we just don't know if it can grab edges, or even be used in the air yet. Toast ltimatum 23:46, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Or if it'll be a wall-grapple or a tether recovery. Magiciandude (talk) 23:56, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

I thought that Smash Wiki wasn't speculative! Bug Man Stan (talk) 14:44, 28 April 2014 (EDT)

Looks like today's PotD clears up tethers. JohnnyWellens 04:26, 29 April 2014 (EDT)

Wrong Final Destination picture?

In the pictures of stages in both versions, the 3DS one is not confirmed, why is there a Gerudo Valley in Final Destination form? The stage that's meant to be put there is Final Destination, not the Final Destination form of other stages. *FURIOUSLY FANBOYS OVER MEGAMAN* (talk) 20:59, 27 April 2014 (EDT)

Don't worry about it. This is just a placeholder until we get an official picture of the stage on the 3DS version. Bug Man Stan (talk) 14:43, 28 April 2014 (EDT)

Wrong image

In the section Multi-Player stages, the image for Final Destination is an image of the Final Destination of Gerudo Valley, not Final Destination itself. Could someone fix that, as I am not sure I can without messing something else up. Thanks. Mesuxelf 15:48, 1 May 2014 (EDT)

That's the only 3DS variant of FD we've had confirmed so far, and it's noted as such. (Mouse over the text "3DS" above it.) When the design not based on another stage is revealed, we'll switch the image for that. Miles (talk) 15:50, 1 May 2014 (EDT)

Providing a citation

I'm not going to register just to provide this citation.

Regarding the last claim made on this page regarding Sakurai possibly considering DLC, this is your source. (http://playeressence.com/super-smash-bros-wii-u-no-dlc-plans-yet/) -GBPA

Personally, I think it's SOMETHING, but probably not notable enough to be put here. Also, sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). MeatBall104; Ready for speedo season! 11:57, 25 May 2014 (EDT)

Australia

I was having a scroll through the official Facebook page for SSB4, and I saw something surprising. Here's the full post, with the important parts highlighted:

Super #SmashBros. for Nintendo 3DS is planned for this summer, and we're targeting winter 2014 for the Wii U version*! Series director Masahiro Sakurai revealed a ton of new information on the upcoming games during the special Super Smash Bros. Direct, including new characters, items, Assist Trophies, features and more! Catch up with all the latest news on YouTube!

US link: http://youtu.be/7xUWnQu2Grs

UK link: http://youtu.be/PpT0gLC7-vU

AUS link: http://youtu.be/zIQjGH_SZlg

Thanks everyone for watching - and stay tuned to Smash Bros. on Facebook for more updates!

(*For Australia & New Zealand: Nintendo 3DS planned for this winter and Wii U targeting summer 2014.)

...So... Australia get the Wii U version in the summer...? I checked the Australian Nintendo Direct, but it was the same as the European one. Still... could Australia really be getting the Wii U game first? This has me very curious. Toast ltimatum 20:07, 26 May 2014 (EDT)

Read up on how seasons work in the northern and southern hemispheres, Toast. Miles (talk) 20:09, 26 May 2014 (EDT)