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|{{gameIcon|ssb4|16px}} Unlockable || {{symbol|duckhunt|24px}}
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|{{gameIcon|ssbu|16px}} Unlockable || {{symbol|splatoon|24px}}
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|{{gameIcon|ssbu|16px}} DLC || {{symbol|arms|24px}}
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|{{gameIcon|ssbb|16px}} 3rd-party unlockable || {{symbol|metalgear|24px}}{{symbol|sonic|24px}}
|{{gameIcon|ssbb|16px}} 3rd-party unlockable || {{symbol|metalgear|24px}}{{symbol|sonic|24px}}
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|{{gameIcon|ssb4|16px}} 3rd-party DLC || {{symbol|streetfighter|24px}}{{symbol|finalfantasy|24px}}{{symbol|bayonetta|24px}}
|{{gameIcon|ssb4|16px}} 3rd-party DLC || {{symbol|streetfighter|24px}}{{symbol|finalfantasy|24px}}{{symbol|bayonetta|24px}}
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|{{gameIcon|ssbu|16px}} Unlockable || {{symbol|splatoon|24px}}
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|{{gameIcon|ssbu|16px}} 3rd-party unlockable || {{symbol|castlevania|24px}}
|{{gameIcon|ssbu|16px}} 3rd-party unlockable || {{symbol|castlevania|24px}}
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|{{gameIcon|ssbu|16px}} 3rd-party DLC || {{symbol|persona|24px}}
|{{gameIcon|ssbu|16px}} 3rd-party DLC || {{symbol|persona|24px}}{{symbol|dq|24px}}{{symbol|bk|24px}}{{symbol|fatalfury|24px}}{{symbol|minecraft|24px}}{{symbol|tekken|24px}}{{symbol|kh|24px}}
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|{{gameIcon|ssbb|16px}} Stage-only || {{symbol|ds|24px}}{{symbol|electroplankton|24px}}
|{{gameIcon|ssbb|16px}} Stage-only || {{symbol|ds|24px}}{{symbol|electroplankton|24px}}
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|{{gameIcon|ssb4-3|16px}} Stage-only || {{symbol|balloonfight|24px}}{{symbol|nintendogs|24px}}{{symbol|streetpass|24px}}{{symbol|tomodachi|24px}}
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|{{gameIcon|ssb4-u|16px}} Stage-only || {{symbol|wreckingcrew|24px}}{{symbol|pilotwings|24px}}{{symbol|wuhu|24px}}{{symbol|miiverse|24px}}
|{{gameIcon|ssb4-u|16px}} Stage-only || {{symbol|wreckingcrew|24px}}{{symbol|pilotwings|24px}}{{symbol|wuhu|24px}}{{symbol|miiverse|24px}}
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*'''64 series''':
*'''64 series''':
**Starters: There is generally a consistent order for the original 8 series, as seen in places like [[:File:Super Smash Select.png|the 64 CSS]], [[Template:Trophy list|all trophy lists]], [[Adventure Mode]], [[:File:Stage Select Brawl.png|the Brawl SSS]], and [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-3DS Normal.jpg|the 3DS SSS]]. This order is by the chronological debut of the 8 series: {{uv|Mario}}/{{uv|Donkey Kong}} ([[Donkey Kong (game)|1981]]), {{uv|The Legend of Zelda}} ([[The Legend of Zelda|1986]]), {{uv|Metroid}} ([[Metroid (game)|1986]]), {{uv|Yoshi}} ([[Super Mario World|1990]]), {{uv|Kirby}} ([[Kirby's Dream Land|1992]]), ''{{uv|Star Fox}}'' ([[lylatwiki:Star Fox (game)|1993]]), ''{{uv|Pokémon}}'' ([[bulbapedia:Pokémon Red and Green Versions|1996]]).
**Starters: There is generally a consistent order for the original 8 series, as seen in places like [[:File:Super Smash Select.png|the 64 CSS]], [[Template:Trophy list|the ''Brawl'' and ''SSB4'' trophy lists]], [[Adventure Mode]], [[:File:Stage Select Brawl.png|the Brawl SSS]], and [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-3DS Normal.jpg|the 3DS SSS]]. This order is by the chronological debut of the 8 series: {{uv|Mario}}/{{uv|Donkey Kong}} ([[Donkey Kong (game)|1981]]), {{uv|The Legend of Zelda}} ([[The Legend of Zelda|1986]]), {{uv|Metroid}} ([[Metroid (game)|1986]]), {{uv|Yoshi}} ([[Super Mario World|1990]]), {{uv|Kirby}} ([[Kirby's Dream Land|1992]]), {{uv|Star Fox}} ([[lylatwiki:Star Fox (game)|1993]]), {{uv|Pokémon}} ([[bulbapedia:Pokémon Red and Green Versions|1996]]).
***''Yoshi'': The only major alteration to this order I make is the re-positioning of ''Yoshi'' to be immediately following ''Mario''. As my basis for this, I would point out that ''Yoshi'' elements are tied very directly to ''Mario'' elements not just in their home series, but also in ''Smash''. In [[Adventure Mode]] and [[:File:SSBWiiU Character Select.jpg|the SSB4 CSS]] in particular, [[Yoshi]] himself appears directly between ''Mario'' elements, showing that he is treated as a ''Mario'' element himself in some situations. The usage of ''Mario'' music (including from games that don't include Yoshi prominently) on {{SSBM|Yoshi's Island}} and [[Woolly World]], as well as the former's usage as a ''Mario'' home stage in [[All-Star Mode]] and in [[Event 10: All-Star Match 1|an event match]] solidify this. Moving ''Yoshi'' also still leaves the 8 starter character series from 64 in a continuous block, which is desirable.
***''Yoshi'': The only major alteration to this order I make is the re-positioning of ''Yoshi'' to be immediately following ''Mario''. As my basis for this, I would point out that ''Yoshi'' elements are tied very directly to ''Mario'' elements not just in their home series, but also in ''Smash''. In [[Adventure Mode]] and [[:File:SSBWiiU Character Select.jpg|the SSB4 CSS]] in particular, [[Yoshi]] himself appears directly between ''Mario'' elements, showing that he is treated as a ''Mario'' element himself in some situations. The usage of ''Mario'' music (including from games that don't include Yoshi prominently) on {{SSBM|Yoshi's Island}} and [[Woolly World]], as well as the former's usage as a ''Mario'' home stage in [[All-Star Mode]] and in [[Event 10: All-Star Match 1|an event match]] solidify this. Moving ''Yoshi'' also still leaves the 8 starter character series from 64 in a continuous block, which is desirable.
**Unlockables: {{uv|F-Zero}} and {{uv|EarthBound}} come next. These two could be ordered either way chronologically; while ''EarthBound'' as a series predates ''F-Zero'' ([[wikibound:Mother (video game)|1989]] and [[F-Zero|1990]]), [[Captain Falcon]] himself debuted in 1990 while [[Ness]] debuted in [[EarthBound (game)|1994]]. However, ''Smash'' more frequently puts ''F-Zero'' first, in instances like [[Template:Trophy list|all trophy lists]], [[Adventure Mode]], and [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-3DS Normal.jpg|the 3DS SSS]]. Captain Falcon is also a starter character in one more instance than Ness: {{for3ds}}.
**Unlockables: {{uv|F-Zero}} and {{uv|EarthBound}} come next. These two could be ordered either way chronologically; while ''EarthBound'' as a series predates ''F-Zero'' ([[wikibound:Mother (video game)|1989]] and [[F-Zero|1990]]), [[Captain Falcon]] himself debuted in 1990 while [[Ness]] debuted in [[EarthBound (game)|1994]]. However, ''Smash'' more frequently puts ''F-Zero'' first, in instances like [[Template:Trophy list|all trophy lists]], [[Adventure Mode]], and [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-3DS Normal.jpg|the 3DS SSS]]. Captain Falcon is also a starter character in one more instance than Ness: {{for3ds}}.
*'''Melee series''':
*'''Melee series''':
**Starters: {{uv|Ice Climber}} is the only such series.
**Starters: {{uv|Ice Climber}} is the only such series.
**Unlockables: {{uv|Fire Emblem}} and {{uv|Game & Watch}}. ''Fire Emblem'' is newer chronologically ([[Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light|1990]] compared to [[wikipedia:List of Game & Watch games#Ball|1980]]), but ''Smash'' consistently puts ''Game & Watch'' last of the Melee character series. First, [[Marth]] and [[Roy]] must be unlocked in Melee before [[Mr. Game & Watch]] can be unlocked; Mr. Game & Watch is also fought last in [[All-Star Mode]] in Melee, even when all other characters are fought in random order. ''Game & Watch'' is also immediately after ''Fire Emblem'' in [[Template:Trophy list|Melee's trophy list]], [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-3DS Normal.jpg|the 3DS SSS]], and [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-Wii U Normal.jpg|the Wii U SSS]].
**Unlockables: {{uv|Fire Emblem}} and {{uv|Game & Watch}}. ''Fire Emblem'' is newer chronologically ([[Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light|1990]] compared to [[wikipedia:List of Game & Watch games#Ball|1980]]), but ''Smash'' consistently puts ''Game & Watch'' last of the Melee character series. First, [[Marth]] and [[Roy]] must be unlocked in Melee before [[Mr. Game & Watch]] can be unlocked; Mr. Game & Watch is also fought last in [[All-Star Mode]] in Melee, even when all other characters are fought in random order. ''Game & Watch'' is also immediately after ''Fire Emblem'' in [[Template:Trophy list|SSB4's trophy list]], [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-3DS Normal.jpg|the 3DS SSS]], and [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-Wii U Normal.jpg|the Wii U SSS]].
*'''Brawl series''':
*'''Brawl series''':
**Starters: {{uv|Kid Icarus}}, {{uv|Wario}}, and {{uv|Pikmin}}. This order is used reasonably consistently, and matches their chronological debuts ([[Kid Icarus|1986]], [[mariowiki:Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3|1994]], [[pikipedia:Pikmin (game)|2001]]). This ordering is used for [[Template:Trophy list|all trophy lists]], [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-3DS Normal.jpg|the 3DS SSS]], and [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-Wii U Normal.jpg|the Wii U SSS]]. While [[Wario]] is sometimes moved near ''Mario'' elements, his series is more frequently grouped with the other Brawl newcomer series.
**Starters: {{uv|Kid Icarus}}, {{uv|Wario}}, and {{uv|Pikmin}}. This order is used reasonably consistently, and matches their chronological debuts ([[Kid Icarus|1986]], [[mariowiki:Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3|1994]], [[pikipedia:Pikmin (game)|2001]]). This ordering is used for [[Template:Trophy list|all trophy lists]], [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-3DS Normal.jpg|the 3DS SSS]], and [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-Wii U Normal.jpg|the Wii U SSS]]. While [[Wario]] is sometimes moved near ''Mario'' elements, his series is more frequently grouped with the other Brawl newcomer series.
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**Third parties: {{uv|Metal Gear}} and {{uv|Sonic}}. 3rd party series are always listed absolutely last out of all series, so they are placed later. Between ''Metal Gear'' and ''Sonic'', ''Smash'' puts ''Metal Gear'' first consistently, matching both their chronological debuts ([[wikipedia:Metal Gear (video game)|1987]], [[wikipedia:Sonic the Hedgehog (1991 video game)|1991]]) and the order of their announcement for ''Smash'' ([[E3]] 2006, October 2007). This is seen in [[Template:Trophy list|Brawl's trophy list]], [[:File:Brawl Character selection screen.png|the Brawl CSS]], and [[:File:Stage Select Brawl.png|the Brawl SSS]].
**Third parties: {{uv|Metal Gear}} and {{uv|Sonic}}. 3rd party series are always listed absolutely last out of all series, so they are placed later. Between ''Metal Gear'' and ''Sonic'', ''Smash'' puts ''Metal Gear'' first consistently, matching both their chronological debuts ([[wikipedia:Metal Gear (video game)|1987]], [[wikipedia:Sonic the Hedgehog (1991 video game)|1991]]) and the order of their announcement for ''Smash'' ([[E3]] 2006, October 2007). This is seen in [[Template:Trophy list|Brawl's trophy list]], [[:File:Brawl Character selection screen.png|the Brawl CSS]], and [[:File:Stage Select Brawl.png|the Brawl SSS]].
*'''SSB4 series''':
*'''SSB4 series''':
**Starters: {{uv|Animal Crossing}}, {{uv|Punch-Out!!}}, {{uv|Wii Fit}}, {{uv|Xenoblade}}. ''Animal Crossing'' content consistently comes first, either due to its existence as a recognized series with [[Smashville|a stage]] and a [[series symbol]] in Brawl, or due to [[Villager]] being the first announced newcomer. This is reflected in [[Template:Trophy list|trophy lists]], [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-3DS Normal.jpg|the 3DS SSS]], and [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-Wii U Normal.jpg|the Wii U SSS]]. Beyond that, things get murky. ''Punch-Out!!'' and ''Wii Fit'' content are used in either order without apparent preference, apparently as a result of ''Punch-Out!!'' being the older series ([[wikipedia:Punch-Out!! (arcade game)|1984]] vs. [[wikipedia:Wii Fit|2007]]), but [[Wii Fit Trainer]] being announced prior to [[Little Mac]]. I've elected to place ''Punch-Out!!'' first on account of it being both the older series and having [[Assist Trophy]] representation in Brawl. ''Xenoblade'' is consistently the last of the set, as it is newer ([[wikipedia:Xenoblade Chronicles|2010]]) and [[Shulk]] was announced later.
**Starters: {{uv|Animal Crossing}}, {{uv|Punch-Out!!}}, {{uv|Wii Fit}}, {{uv|Xenoblade Chronicles}}. ''Animal Crossing'' content consistently comes first, either due to its existence as a recognized series with [[Smashville|a stage]] and a [[series symbol]] in Brawl, or due to [[Villager]] being the first announced newcomer. This is reflected in [[Template:Trophy list|trophy lists]], [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-3DS Normal.jpg|the 3DS SSS]], and [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-Wii U Normal.jpg|the Wii U SSS]]. Beyond that, things get murky. ''Punch-Out!!'' and ''Wii Fit'' content are used in either order without apparent preference, apparently as a result of ''Punch-Out!!'' being the older series ([[wikipedia:Punch-Out!! (arcade game)|1984]] vs. [[wikipedia:Wii Fit|2007]]), but [[Wii Fit Trainer]] being announced prior to [[Little Mac]]. I've elected to place ''Punch-Out!!'' first on account of it being both the older series and having [[Assist Trophy]] representation in Brawl. ''Xenoblade'' is consistently the last of the set, as it is newer ([[wikipedia:Xenoblade Chronicles|2010]]) and [[Shulk]] was announced later.
**Unlockables: {{uv|Duck Hunt}} is the only unlockable Nintendo series.
**Unlockables: {{uv|Duck Hunt}} is the only unlockable Nintendo series.
**Third party starters: {{uv|Mega Man}}, {{uv|Pac-Man}}. Reasonably consistently sorted in this order (and after veteran 3rd party series ''Sonic''), this is the order of their announcement for ''Smash'' ([[E3]] 2013 and 2014 respectively). This is reflected in [[Template:Trophy list|SSB4's trophy list]], [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-3DS Normal.jpg|the 3DS SSS]], and [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-Wii U Normal.jpg|the Wii U SSS]].
**Third party starters: {{uv|Mega Man}}, {{uv|Pac-Man}}. Reasonably consistently sorted in this order (and after veteran 3rd party series ''Sonic''), this is the order of their announcement for ''Smash'' ([[E3]] 2013 and 2014 respectively). This is reflected in [[Template:Trophy list|SSB4's trophy list]], [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-3DS Normal.jpg|the 3DS SSS]], and [[:File:Stage Select SSB4-Wii U Normal.jpg|the Wii U SSS]].
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*'''SSBU series''':
*'''SSBU series''':
**Nintendo unlockable series: {{uv|Splatoon}}
**Nintendo unlockable series: {{uv|Splatoon}}
**Nintendo DLC series: {{uv|ARMS}}
**Third party unlockable series: {{uv|Castlevania}}
**Third party unlockable series: {{uv|Castlevania}}
**Third party DLC series: {{uv|Persona}}
**Third party DLC series: {{uv|Persona}}, {{uv|Dragon Quest}}, {{uv|Banjo-Kazooie}}, {{uv|Fatal Fury}}, {{uv|Minecraft}}, {{uv|Tekken}}, {{uv|Kingdom Hearts}}


==Characters==
==Characters==
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|{{symbol|iceclimber|24px}} || || || {{head|Ice Climbers|s=24px}} || || || || || || || ||  
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|{{symbol|fireemblem|24px}} || || || || {{head|Marth|s=24px}}{{head|Roy|s=24px}} || {{head|Ike|s=24px}} || || {{head|Robin|s=24px}} || {{head|Lucina|s=24px}} || {{head|Corrin|s=24px}} || {{head|Chrom|s=24px}} ||  
|{{symbol|fireemblem|24px}} || || || || {{head|Marth|s=24px}}{{head|Roy|s=24px}} || {{head|Ike|s=24px}} || || {{head|Robin|s=24px}} || {{head|Lucina|s=24px}} || {{head|Corrin|s=24px}} || {{head|Chrom|s=24px}} || {{head|Byleth|s=24px}}
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|{{symbol|gw|24px}} || || || || {{head|Mr. Game & Watch|s=24px}} || || || || || || ||  
|{{symbol|gw|24px}} || || || || {{head|Mr. Game & Watch|s=24px}} || || || || || || ||  
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|{{symbol|wiifit|24px}} || || || || || || || {{head|Wii Fit Trainer|s=24px}} || || || ||  
|{{symbol|wiifit|24px}} || || || || || || || {{head|Wii Fit Trainer|s=24px}} || || || ||  
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|{{symbol|xenoblade|24px}} || || || || || || || {{head|Shulk|s=24px}} || || || ||  
|{{symbol|xenoblade|24px}} || || || || || || || {{head|Shulk|s=24px}} || || || || {{head|Pyra|s=24px}}{{head|Mythra|s=24px}}
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|{{symbol|duckhunt|24px}} || || || || || || || || {{head|Duck Hunt|s=24px}} || || ||  
|{{symbol|duckhunt|24px}} || || || || || || || || {{head|Duck Hunt|s=24px}} || || ||  
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|{{symbol|splatoon|24px}} || || || || || || || || || || {{head|Inkling|s=24px}} ||  
|{{symbol|splatoon|24px}} || || || || || || || || || || {{head|Inkling|s=24px}} ||  
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|{{symbol|arms|24px}} || || || || || || || || || || || {{head|Min Min|s=24px}}
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|{{symbol|metalgear|24px}} || || || || || || {{head|Snake|s=24px}} || || || || ||  
|{{symbol|metalgear|24px}} || || || || || || {{head|Snake|s=24px}} || || || || ||  
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|{{symbol|streetfighter|24px}} || || || || || || || || || {{head|Ryu|s=24px}} || {{head|Ken|s=24px}} ||
|{{symbol|streetfighter|24px}} || || || || || || || || || {{head|Ryu|s=24px}} || {{head|Ken|s=24px}} ||
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|{{symbol|finalfantasy|24px}} || || || || || || || || || {{head|Cloud|s=24px}} || ||  
|{{symbol|finalfantasy|24px}} || || || || || || || || || {{head|Cloud|s=24px}} || || {{head|Sephiroth|s=24px}}
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|{{symbol|bayonetta|24px}} || || || || || || || || || {{head|Bayonetta|s=24px}} || ||  
|{{symbol|bayonetta|24px}} || || || || || || || || || {{head|Bayonetta|s=24px}} || ||  
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|{{symbol|castlevania|24px}} || || || || || || || || || || {{head|Simon|s=24px}}{{head|Richter|s=24px}} ||  
|{{symbol|castlevania|24px}} || || || || || || || || || || {{head|Simon|s=24px}}{{head|Richter|s=24px}} ||  
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|{{symbol|persona|24px}} || || || || || || || || || || || [[Joker]]
|{{symbol|persona|24px}} || || || || || || || || || || || {{head|Joker|s=24px}}
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|{{symbol|dq|24px}} || || || || || || || || || || || {{head|Hero|s=24px}}
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|{{symbol|bk|24px}} || || || || || || || || || || || {{head|Banjo & Kazooie|s=24px}}
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|{{symbol|fatalfury|24px}} || || || || || || || || || || || {{head|Terry|s=24px}}
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|{{symbol|minecraft|24px}} || || || || || || || || || || || {{head|Steve|s=24px}}
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|{{symbol|tekken|24px}} || || || || || || || || || || || {{head|Kazuya|s=24px}}
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|{{symbol|kh|24px}} || || || || || || || || || || || {{head|Sora|s=24px}}
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|{{symbol|ssb|24px}} || || || || || || || {{head|Mii Brawler|s=24px}}{{head|Mii Swordfighter|s=24px}}{{head|Mii Gunner|s=24px}} || || || ||  
|{{symbol|ssb|24px}} || || || || || || || {{head|Mii Brawler|s=24px}}{{head|Mii Swordfighter|s=24px}}{{head|Mii Gunner|s=24px}} || || || ||  
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With the series themselves sorted as seen above, next comes sorting the characters themselves by their ''Smash'' introductions. I've laid the table out to show which characters debuted in which game, and whether that debut was as a starter or unlockable character; this most resembles the system used for [[character selection screen]]s and trophy lists, which are not always consistent across games or with each other. Cases I want to mention in particular:
With the series themselves sorted as seen above, next comes sorting the characters themselves by their ''Smash'' introductions. I've laid the table out to show which characters debuted in which game, and whether that debut was as a starter, unlockable, or downloadable character; this most resembles the system used for [[character selection screen]]s and trophy lists, which are not always consistent across games or with each other. Cases I want to mention in particular:


*[[Clone]]s are generally '''not''' moved to be near their base character. ''Smash'' rarely did so in its listings prior to SSBU outside of the Melee CSS, which itself has a very inconsistent layout. Re-arranging SSBU-classified Echo Fighters this way would also lead to messy situations like Dark Samus appearing among the original 8, which is undesirable.
*[[Clone]]s are generally '''not''' moved to be near their base character. ''Smash'' rarely did so in its listings prior to SSBU outside of the Melee CSS, which itself has a very inconsistent layout. Re-arranging SSBU-classified Echo Fighters this way would also lead to messy situations like Dark Samus appearing among the original 8, which is undesirable.
*[[Peach]] comes before [[Bowser]] consistently across all Brawl and SSB4 usages (Save for ''Brawl''{{'}}s [[Sound Test]] and internal character IDs).
*[[Peach]] comes before [[Bowser]] consistently across all games' usages (Save for ''Brawl''{{'}}s [[Sound Test]] and internal character IDs).
*[[Zelda]] comes before [[Sheik]] consistently across all games.
*[[Zelda]] comes before [[Sheik]] consistently across all games except Ultimate, where her spirit is listed first and was revealed first anyways.
*[[Ganondorf]] comes before [[Young Link]] on the [[List of SSBM trophies (The Legend of Zelda series)|Melee trophy list]].
*[[Ganondorf]] comes before [[Young Link]] on the [[List of SSBM trophies (The Legend of Zelda series)|Melee trophy list]] and Ultimate spirit list.
*[[Ridley]] comes before [[Dark Samus]] as a result of being announced earlier and not being an Echo Fighter.
*[[Ridley]] comes before [[Dark Samus]] as a result of being announced earlier and not being an Echo Fighter.
*[[Meta Knight]] comes before [[King Dedede]] in Brawl consistently, and on the [[List of SSB4 trophies (Kirby series)|SSB4 trophy list]].
*[[Meta Knight]] comes before [[King Dedede]] in Brawl and Ultimate consistently, and on the [[List of SSB4 trophies (Kirby series)|SSB4 trophy list]].
*[[Mewtwo]] comes before [[Pichu]] on the [[List of SSBM trophies (Pokémon series)|Melee trophy list]].
*[[Mewtwo]] comes before [[Pichu]] on the [[List of SSBM trophies (Pokémon series)|Melee trophy list]].
*For [[Pokémon Trainer]], [[Squirtle]]/[[Ivysaur]]/[[Charizard]] is the order for his Pokémon, matching the order they are obtained in the [[Subspace Emissary]], their evolutionary stages, and most listings of the three on [http://www.smashbros.com/wii/en_us/characters/pokemon_trainer.html his DOJO!! page].
*For [[Pokémon Trainer]], [[Squirtle]]/[[Ivysaur]]/[[Charizard]] is the order for his Pokémon, matching the order they are obtained in the [[Subspace Emissary]], their evolutionary stages, and most listings of the three on [http://www.smashbros.com/wii/en_us/characters/pokemon_trainer.html his DOJO!! page].
*[[Marth]] comes before [[Roy]] as Marth must be unlocked first of the two in Melee; corroborated by the [[List of SSBM trophies (Fire Emblem series)|Melee trophy list]].
*[[Marth]] comes before [[Roy]] as Marth must be unlocked first of the two in Melee; corroborated by the [[List of SSBM trophies (Fire Emblem series)|Melee trophy list]].
*[[Pyra]] is consistently listed before [[Mythra]].
*[[Simon Belmont]] is clearly the "main" ''Castlevania'' representative, with [[Richter Belmont]] as his Echo Fighter; therefore, Simon comes first of the two.
*[[Simon Belmont]] is clearly the "main" ''Castlevania'' representative, with [[Richter Belmont]] as his Echo Fighter; therefore, Simon comes first of the two.
*[[Mii Fighter]]s are sorted [[Mii Brawler]], [[Mii Swordfighter]], [[Mii Gunner]]. This order is used in their reveal trailer and the Mii Fighter setup screens.
*[[Mii Fighter]]s are sorted [[Mii Brawler]], [[Mii Swordfighter]], [[Mii Gunner]]. This order is used in their reveal trailer and the Mii Fighter setup screens.
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Latest revision as of 12:35, December 16, 2023

My take on the ordering mess. Comments welcome.

Introduction[edit]

Smash itself is relatively inconsistent when it comes to ordering of characters and series. In creating this list, I have attempted to create the best possible synthesis of its various ordering schemes, with the goal being to create something consistent and reasonably algorithmic, with the bare minimum of exceptions.

Series[edit]

Super Smash Bros. Starters Mario (universe)Yoshi (universe)Donkey Kong (universe)The Legend of Zelda (universe)Metroid (universe)Kirby (universe)Star Fox (universe)Pokémon (universe)
Super Smash Bros. Unlockable F-Zero (universe)EarthBound (universe)
Super Smash Bros. Melee Starters Ice Climber (universe)
Super Smash Bros. Melee Unlockable Fire Emblem (universe)Game & Watch (universe)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl Starters Kid Icarus (universe)Wario (universe)Pikmin (universe)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl Unlockable R.O.B. (universe)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl Stage
Super Smash Bros. 4 Starter
Animal Crossing (universe)
Super Smash Bros. 4 Starters Punch-Out!! (universe)Wii Fit (universe)Xenoblade Chronicles (universe)
Super Smash Bros. 4 Unlockable Duck Hunt (universe)
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Unlockable Splatoon (universe)
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate DLC ARMS (universe)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl 3rd-party unlockable Metal Gear (universe)Sonic the Hedgehog (universe)
Super Smash Bros. 4 3rd-party starters Mega Man (universe)Pac-Man (universe)
Super Smash Bros. 4 3rd-party DLC Street Fighter (universe)Final Fantasy (universe)Bayonetta (universe)
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 3rd-party unlockable Castlevania (universe)
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 3rd-party DLC Persona (universe)Dragon Quest (universe)Banjo-Kazooie (universe)Fatal Fury (universe)Minecraft (universe)Tekken (universe)Kingdom Hearts (universe)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl Stage-only Nintendo DS (universe)Electroplankton (universe)
Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS Stage-only Balloon Fight (universe)Nintendogs (universe)StreetPass Mii Plaza (universe)Tomodachi (universe)
Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Stage-only Wrecking Crew (universe)Pilotwings (universe)Wii Sports (universe)Miiverse (universe)

The basis of my ordering scheme is the idea of chronological order by introduction in Smash. Therefore, I've sorted series by the Smash game in which they were introduced, and by the starter/unlockable status of their character representation.

Characters[edit]

Series Super Smash Bros. Super Smash Bros. Melee Super Smash Bros. Brawl Super Smash Bros. 4 Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Mario (universe) Mario Luigi PeachBowser Dr. Mario Rosalina Bowser Jr. Daisy Piranha Plant
Yoshi (universe) Yoshi
Donkey Kong (universe) Donkey Kong Diddy Kong King K. Rool
The Legend of Zelda (universe) Link ZeldaSheik GanondorfYoung Link Toon Link
Metroid (universe) Samus Zero Suit Samus RidleyDark Samus
Kirby (universe) Kirby Meta KnightKing Dedede
Star Fox (universe) Fox Falco Wolf
Pokémon (universe) Pikachu Jigglypuff MewtwoPichu Pokémon TrainerSquirtleIvysaurCharizard Lucario Greninja Incineroar
F-Zero (universe) Captain Falcon
EarthBound (universe) Ness Lucas
Ice Climber (universe) Ice Climbers
Fire Emblem (universe) MarthRoy Ike Robin Lucina Corrin Chrom Byleth
Game & Watch (universe) Mr. Game & Watch
Kid Icarus (universe) Pit Palutena Dark Pit
Wario (universe) Wario
Pikmin (universe) Olimar
R.O.B. (universe) R.O.B.
Animal Crossing (universe) Villager Isabelle
Punch-Out!! (universe) Little Mac
Wii Fit (universe) Wii Fit Trainer
Xenoblade Chronicles (universe) Shulk PyraMythra
Duck Hunt (universe) Duck Hunt
Splatoon (universe) Inkling
ARMS (universe) Min Min
Metal Gear (universe) Snake
Sonic the Hedgehog (universe) Sonic
Mega Man (universe) Mega Man
Pac-Man (universe) Pac-Man
Street Fighter (universe) Ryu Ken
Final Fantasy (universe) Cloud Sephiroth
Bayonetta (universe) Bayonetta
Castlevania (universe) SimonRichter
Persona (universe) Joker
Dragon Quest (universe) Hero
Banjo-Kazooie (universe) Banjo & Kazooie
Fatal Fury (universe) Terry
Minecraft (universe) Steve
Tekken (universe) Kazuya
Kingdom Hearts (universe) Sora
Super Smash Bros. (universe) Mii BrawlerMii SwordfighterMii Gunner

With the series themselves sorted as seen above, next comes sorting the characters themselves by their Smash introductions. I've laid the table out to show which characters debuted in which game, and whether that debut was as a starter, unlockable, or downloadable character; this most resembles the system used for character selection screens and trophy lists, which are not always consistent across games or with each other. Cases I want to mention in particular:

Results[edit]

Super Smash Bros. Mario (SSB)Luigi (SSB)Yoshi (SSB)Donkey Kong (SSB)Link (SSB)Samus (SSB)Kirby (SSB)Fox (SSB)Pikachu (SSB)Jigglypuff (SSB)Captain Falcon (SSB)Ness (SSB)
Super Smash Bros. Melee Mario (SSBM)Luigi (SSBM)Peach (SSBM)Bowser (SSBM)Dr. Mario (SSBM)Yoshi (SSBM)Donkey Kong (SSBM)Link (SSBM)Zelda (SSBM)Sheik (SSBM)Ganondorf (SSBM)Young Link (SSBM)Samus (SSBM)Kirby (SSBM)Fox (SSBM)Falco (SSBM)Pikachu (SSBM)Jigglypuff (SSBM)Mewtwo (SSBM)Pichu (SSBM)
Captain Falcon (SSBM)Ness (SSBM)Ice Climbers (SSBM)Marth (SSBM)Roy (SSBM)Mr. Game & Watch (SSBM)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl Mario (SSBB)Luigi (SSBB)Peach (SSBB)Bowser (SSBB)Yoshi (SSBB)Donkey Kong (SSBB)Diddy Kong (SSBB)Link (SSBB)Zelda (SSBB)Sheik (SSBB)Ganondorf (SSBB)Toon Link (SSBB)Samus (SSBB)Zero Suit Samus (SSBB)Kirby (SSBB)Meta Knight (SSBB)King Dedede (SSBB)Fox (SSBB)Falco (SSBB)Wolf (SSBB)
Pikachu (SSBB)Jigglypuff (SSBB)Pokémon Trainer (SSBB)Squirtle (SSBB)Ivysaur (SSBB)Charizard (SSBB)Lucario (SSBB)Captain Falcon (SSBB)Ness (SSBB)Lucas (SSBB)Ice Climbers (SSBB)Marth (SSBB)Ike (SSBB)Mr. Game & Watch (SSBB)Pit (SSBB)Wario (SSBB)Olimar (SSBB)R.O.B. (SSBB)Snake (SSBB)Sonic (SSBB)
Super Smash Bros. 4 Mario (SSB4)Luigi (SSB4)Peach (SSB4)Bowser (SSB4)Dr. Mario (SSB4)Rosalina (SSB4)Bowser Jr. (SSB4)Yoshi (SSB4)Donkey Kong (SSB4)Diddy Kong (SSB4)Link (SSB4)Zelda (SSB4)Sheik (SSB4)Ganondorf (SSB4)Toon Link (SSB4)Samus (SSB4)Zero Suit Samus (SSB4)Kirby (SSB4)Meta Knight (SSB4)King Dedede (SSB4)
Fox (SSB4)Falco (SSB4)Pikachu (SSB4)Jigglypuff (SSB4)Mewtwo (SSB4)Charizard (SSB4)Lucario (SSB4)Greninja (SSB4)Captain Falcon (SSB4)Ness (SSB4)Lucas (SSB4)Marth (SSB4)Roy (SSB4)Ike (SSB4)Robin (SSB4)Lucina (SSB4)Corrin (SSB4)Mr. Game & Watch (SSB4)Pit (SSB4)Palutena (SSB4)
Dark Pit (SSB4)Wario (SSB4)Olimar (SSB4)R.O.B. (SSB4)Villager (SSB4)Little Mac (SSB4)Wii Fit Trainer (SSB4)Shulk (SSB4)Duck Hunt (SSB4)Sonic (SSB4)Mega Man (SSB4)Pac-Man (SSB4)Ryu (SSB4)Cloud (SSB4)Bayonetta (SSB4)Mii Brawler (SSB4)Mii Swordfighter (SSB4)Mii Gunner (SSB4)
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Mario (SSBU)Luigi (SSBU)Peach (SSBU)Bowser (SSBU)Dr. Mario (SSBU)Rosalina (SSBU)Bowser Jr. (SSBU)Daisy (SSBU)Piranha Plant (SSBU)Yoshi (SSBU)Donkey Kong (SSBU)Diddy Kong (SSBU)King K. Rool (SSBU)Link (SSBU)Zelda (SSBU)Sheik (SSBU)Ganondorf (SSBU)Young Link (SSBU)Toon Link (SSBU)Samus (SSBU)
Zero Suit Samus (SSBU)Ridley (SSBU)Dark Samus (SSBU)Kirby (SSBU)Meta Knight (SSBU)King Dedede (SSBU)Fox (SSBU)Falco (SSBU)Wolf (SSBU)Pikachu (SSBU)Jigglypuff (SSBU)Mewtwo (SSBU)Pichu (SSBU)Pokémon Trainer (SSBU)Squirtle (SSBU)Ivysaur (SSBU)Charizard (SSBU)Lucario (SSBU)Greninja (SSBU)Incineroar (SSBU)
Captain Falcon (SSBU)Ness (SSBU)Lucas (SSBU)Ice Climbers (SSBU)Marth (SSBU)Roy (SSBU)Ike (SSBU)Robin (SSBU)Lucina (SSBU)Corrin (SSBU)Chrom (SSBU)Byleth (SSBU)Mr. Game & Watch (SSBU)Pit (SSBU)Palutena (SSBU)Dark Pit (SSBU)Wario (SSBU)Olimar (SSBU)R.O.B. (SSBU)Villager (SSBU)
Isabelle (SSBU)Little Mac (SSBU)Wii Fit Trainer (SSBU)Shulk (SSBU)Pyra (SSBU)Mythra (SSBU)Duck Hunt (SSBU)Inkling (SSBU)Min Min (SSBU)Snake (SSBU)Sonic (SSBU)Mega Man (SSBU)Pac-Man (SSBU)Ryu (SSBU)Ken (SSBU)Cloud (SSBU)Sephiroth (SSBU)Bayonetta (SSBU)Simon (SSBU)Richter (SSBU)
Joker (SSBU)Hero (SSBU)Banjo & Kazooie (SSBU)Terry (SSBU)Steve (SSBU)Kazuya (SSBU)Sora (SSBU)Mii Brawler (SSBU)Mii Swordfighter (SSBU)Mii Gunner (SSBU)