User talk:Omega Tyrant/Archive 14

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reverted change re: l cancelling

the gif you reverted has the links facing opposite directions. they also don't jump at the same time. the gif i used was made in dolphin, and every mewtwo jumps at exactly the same frame, and are facing the same direction. they also all jump as soon as possible, showing off the lag very well. it is a much beter gif than the link gif for shwoing land cancelling.

jus sayan —Preceding unsigned comment added by DJLO (talk • contribs) 13:41, September 23, 2013

While they may not be perfectly accurate, they show L-cancelling better than the one showing different types of lag cancelling. The one you uploaded could be used on the Aerial page or something (though that does have a lot of images filling up the page already; maybe some could be in a gallery?). Scr7(talk · contribs) 15:51, 23 September 2013 (EDT)

so basically, if the IDJC part was cropped out, it would work? ill remake the link one later today. is links down air the laggiest air attack? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DJLO (talk • contribs) 14:10, September 23, 2013

If you remove the IDJC, you'd have one Mewtwo short hopping, bair, then fast falling, and one doing a SHFFL bair. Yeah that shows L-cancelling quite well, though a more laggy aerial should be used. I'm not sure if Link's dair is the laggiest aerial, but it's laggy enough to demonstrate L-cancels. Scr7(talk · contribs) 16:14, 23 September 2013 (EDT)

The direction they face is irrelevant, and the Links pretty much jump at the same time, a frame or two difference doesn't matter when the L-cancelled Link still clearly regains control considerably before the other Link. With your image, you could barely tell the difference between the Mewtwos, and the Double Jump Cancel is irrelevant. Also sign your comments with four tildes ~~~~ and use proper grammar/spelling.

Scr7, pay attention to the notice I have at the top, don't answer other users here unless I'm clearly offline. Omega Tyrant 16:22, 23 September 2013 (EDT)

If you want to make the image better, here is what you can do:

• Keep it as two Links, his down aerial shows off the effects of L-Cancelling better than any other attack.
• Keep it in real time, to demonstrate better how it works ingame.
• Have Links holding shield, to have an immediate and visible indicator that the Link can move again. Omega Tyrant 16:39, 23 September 2013 (EDT)

this direction they face /is/ relevant, since you are trying to show something. visually, it is harder to compare than if they were facing the same direction. ill remake it with the suggestions youve given. sorry if i was easily upset. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DJLO (talk • contribs) 15:03, September 23, 2013

No problem, that new image is great. Omega Tyrant 06:54, 24 September 2013 (EDT)

Mario (SSBB)/Neutral attacks 1-3

Can you provide your thoughts on the merging of Mario's three SSBB neutral attacks into one page? Here is where the very large discussion has taken place. RoyboyX Talk 22:21, 23 September 2013 (EDT)

I really don't care whether jabs are all on one page or on separate pages. If I didn't respond by now after several proddings, it should be clear I have no interest in getting involved in it. Omega Tyrant 06:47, 24 September 2013 (EDT)

toe-stepping

hey there, just wanted to apologize if i came off as hostile earlier. im new to this wiki and just really eager to contribute. add to that the fact that i have almost no brawl knowledge, and the result is what you saw before. so yeah, sorry if i stepped on any toes, but thats why i made a discussion post instead of a change. thanks for being patient. DJLO (talk) 17:10, 26 September 2013 (EDT)

It's fine, you didn't come off as hostile or anything to me. Omega Tyrant 19:39, 26 September 2013 (EDT)

Two Questions:

1. I noticed you were the one who proposed SW:NAME. And while it fortunately DID get a lot of support, doesn't being an admin give you the right to simply establish that policy right then and there, without going through all that proposal shit?
2. Do you ever make videos with commentary?

Just curious! SmashBall104: Butter side down! 21:42, 4 November 2013 (EST)

User is probably inactive so he might not respond to you soon, so I'll answer your questions for you. First, any proposal can fail even if created by an admin (for example, one time OT was planning to delete user pages that were protected and it received mostly opposition). Second, I myself, have never seen any of his Youtube videos have commentary in them. He might put in some commentary in his videos some day in the future but he prefers not to as of right now. Dots (talk) The Smiley 22:54, 4 November 2013 (EST)

Mmmm-kay, I get it. Anyways, sorry to bother an inactive person. Over and out! SmashBall104: It's Super Effective! 12:30, 5 November 2013 (EST)

See SW:ADMIN#Administrators are not kings. No, no one on the Wiki has the power to implement and enforce a policy because their say so.

And I have not made any yet. It's largely possible I will try it some time in the future. Omega Tyrant 09:22, 7 November 2013 (EST)

I know you're not exactly "active"

...but why have you not commented on the PM debate? Are you just indifferent? Toomai Glittershine Le Grand Fromage 11:11, 19 November 2013 (EST)

Pretty much that, and the fact everything to say has pretty much already been said. There's no consensus there I really oppose.

Also, I should be becoming a bit more active from this point, with school lightening up and having completed Y. Omega Tyrant 11:27, 19 November 2013 (EST)

It's been awhile...

Um...why did you block my userpace, the Smash Arena, and the forums from me? I edit the wiki, and u still don't let me do anything :( Cherrim98Talk 20:06, 19 November 2013 (EST)

See this. If you want your probation to be removed, then just keep contributing constructively to the wiki, and then when it has been deemed that you reformed yourself, your probation will be removed. Omega Tyrant 21:25, 19 November 2013 (EST)

Thank you :) Cherrim98Talk 21:29, 20 November 2013 (EST)

Ok, look I've been editing a lot, and my probation isn't removed, are u supposed to remove it or the site tells me, just check my contributions. :/ Cherrim98Talk 20:10, 16 December 2013 (EST)

The unprobation request has been done. Don't take the unprobation as free reign to focus on the forums and user space again however, or else you could find yourself back under probation. Keep the constructive editing up while keeping the userpage and forum edits to a minimum, and you should be fine. Omega Tyrant 15:11, 17 December 2013 (EST)

I promise I won't Cherrim98Talk 15:55, 17 December 2013 (EST) But i will to edit my profile cause it's blank.

Test

Test. Primid B (talk) 09:07, 2 December 2013 (EST)

Cursing Sucks!

I can't believe you said a major curse!!!! I only accept "suck". Crapfully having a Retarded Xmas, Smashballz

SmashWiki is not censored

Additionally, as I told you on IRC;

"you shouldn't be on the internet in the first place then if you're 11 years old and don't want people cursing around you"

Also, telling you now, publicly telling others on IRC that you're gonna start shit with the admin who blocked you when your block ends (and encouraging them to do so), and coming here right away to follow through with it, is not a wise thing to do. I suggest you get off the computer for a bit before you earn yourself another block. Omega Tyrant 20:42, 4 December 2013 (EST)

I'm OK. Back to the better-than-here MarioWiki!!! Crapfully having a better Xmas, Smashballz

Also, children are on this wiki.t3h 0r4n93 b00l00n 22:21, 8 December 2013 (EST)

AND CHILDREN AREN'T ALLOWED TO CURSE!!!t3h 0r4n93 b00l00n 17:23, 13 December 2013 (EST)

Please, look at what OT wrote to you. Smashwiki does not limit what people say on here. If you don't think this place suits you then I recommend that you leave here for a while and come back when your more mature. Dots (talk) The User 17:41, 13 December 2013 (EST)

Please, read what I wrote. Children are on this wiki, and they will be offended if you use such words like that. t3h 0r4n93 b00l00n 18:19, 13 December 2013 (EST)

Please deal with the fact that this wiki is not censored, as explained in SW:NOT. There aren't many children on this wiki by the way; you're in the minority, and the vast majority of people here will prefer to say "fuck" instead of "@!*$". Scr7(talk · contribs) 18:23, 13 December 2013 (EST)

Why don't children come here? t3h 0r4n93 b00l00n 19:49, 13 December 2013 (EST)

Alright kid, I suggest you read this exchange, which is about limiting cursing and why it's a dumb counterproductive idea.

Simply, if you or other kids get scared by and/or offended by casual uncensored use of words society deemed to be "curse words", then you really shouldn't be on the internet in the first place. Grow up some and then come back. At the end of the day they're simply words, and typing "fuck" out as "%#^@" or "flip" makes no practical difference, and as Semi said, it instead makes us sound like a bunch of tools and immature 8 year olds who have sensitive ears. Other NIWA wikis may enforce a blanket "no cursing!" rule, SmashWiki will not, as it's not worth enforcing against something that causes no real harm.

The wiki may allow kids to edit the wiki and is not going to try enforcing an age restriction, but that does not mean we have to cater to a sub-13 age group that really shouldn't be on the internet the majority of the time anyway. We'll naturally keep the real obscene stuff out, simple cursing quite frankly isn't such.Omega Tyrant 19:58, 13 December 2013 (EST)

This wiki is based of a "T" rated game. Although profanity isn't present in Super Smash Bros, A "T" rating may have cursing in some games. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 20:07, 13 December 2013 (EST)

Per policy, this wiki may have content or discussions that may be more mature than that. While explicit sexuality or violence is unlikely to appear on the wiki, note that it includes a focus on the competitive Smash community, which may include mature or inappropriate discussions or terms. Take this, this, or this. All of these can be considered fairly inappropriate names, but it would be a disservice to the wiki to censor them. Mr. Anontalk 23:04, 13 December 2013 (EST)

Wait a sec

Before you do this, have you considered SmashBall104's other names? He is called Bacon-Cheddar Man 5000 on Wikipedia, Pastrami on Rye on Wikia and PeanutPopgun998 on DK Wiki. He could use one of those names. All of this is conjecturish, I don't know who has to change their name. RoyboyX Talk 22:17, 8 December 2013 (EST)

both of us. t3h 0r4n93 b00l00n 22:20, 8 December 2013 (EST)

Okay. But um, Orange Bulloon? RoyboyX Talk 22:24, 8 December 2013 (EST)

No, OrangeBooloon, My Mario Boards name. I am also TVTrash here, SuperDuperSquid2002 here, and even DemonicChair2002 here. t3h 0r4n93 b00l00n 21:15, 12 December 2013 (EST)

Admin noticeboard

If a reported user on the Admin Noticeboard already gets blocked, are we allowed to remove the names on that page? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 01:02, 29 December 2013 (EST)

um.....

I think the SSB4 site is broken.

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this picture has been used for 3 days. what's happening? t3h 0r4n93 b00l00n 21:49, 30 December 2013 (EST)

...He hasn't decided what to put up yet? Run out of ideas? RoyboyX Talk 21:53, 30 December 2013 (EST)

Sakurai probably just took a day off, nothing to worry about. Also, link to images on talk pages, rather than posting them directly onto the talk page. Omega Tyrant 22:00, 30 December 2013 (EST)

Sakurai said on Miiverse he's taking a break and will be back starting January 6th. Toomai Glittershine The Prismatic 22:03, 30 December 2013 (EST)

A question

How do you get those little icons next to your Sig? Smashdude10 (talk) 17:14, 2 February 2014 (EST)

Go to your "preferences" and go to your "signature". Then you can post a image there. Dots (talk) The Half-Life 17:59, 2 February 2014 (EST)

Little Mac's Uppercut

I suggest you read the comments sextion Toast ltimatum 08:07, 14 February 2014 (EST)

I honestly didn't see Sakura's second comment. Anyway, we still shouldn't be definitely stating the move to be an OHKO yet until we can definitively confirm it ingame, as Sakurai's definition for what an OHKO is may be different than ours. Omega Tyrant 08:16, 14 February 2014 (EST)

Version of screenshot

Why would you even say that 640x360 is worst? That is the wii res that's used for that photo you've reverted on the deflicker photo.--Brandondorf 20:34, 21 February 2014 (EST)

Because the previous image was larger without stretching the image. Omega Tyrant 23:04, 21 February 2014 (EST)

How is that relevant? Is it not the standard that images should not be any larger than the console should be able to produce? Toomai Glittershine The Cloronic 23:59, 21 February 2014 (EST)

Because a naturally larger image presents better and clearer detail. But eh, this isn't something I really care about to fight for. Omega Tyrant 00:42, 22 February 2014 (EST)

(Speedy) Image deletion

Mind deleting this image. http://www.ssbwiki.com/File:Kanto_SSB64_national_tournament,_Jousuke_in_the_middle.jpg It turns out that: A: I had some misinformation. Jousuke is not in this image B: The other japanese players prefer this not be on this wiki (at all for that matter.) Got directly messaged by one of them

LoS PPS KoRos (talk) 16:45, 22 February 2014 (EST)

Brawl

Hey man, I'm on right now. Shall we go play Brawl against each other? Requiem of Ice (talk) 17:19, 24 February 2014 (EST)

Alright, I have a room up. Omega Tyrant 17:23, 24 February 2014 (EST)

Damnit! I lagged out; that and my brother wants to play against you (the guy who was requesting to be a 3rd?). Damn, I was wrong, I guess. Anyways, my brother is going to fight you now. I really didn't do my best because of a few things, like the lag and stuff. I nearly got you at some points. I admit I'm not that good under most circumstances, too. Anyways...you are playing against my brother, so...yeah, dominate him.

And next time...let's go local or LAN. Requiem of Ice (talk) 19:10, 24 February 2014 (EST)

Don't be a Smash Master and blame the lag, remember your opponent was hindered by the lag as well. Additionally, the way you played gets aided by the lag, as all those rolls, projectiles, and smashes become more difficult to effectively shield and punish (your Wolf especially was a textbook wifi Wolf). And lag will not have so much of an effect that it will turn any good player to an average one that loses by 2/3 stocks in pretty much every match.

For some advice:

• Ease with the extreme camping. You shouldn't be camping when losing, your opponent could just go on the ledge if you're just gonna stay away and shoot projectiles all day and time you out. Plus it's just predictable.

• Ease with the excessive rolling. Rolling should never be your primary form of movement, once your opponent catches on it will be very punishable, and your options from a roll are limited. Lag helps you get away with it more than it should, but offline, you're just gonna get grabbed and smashed all the time if you try that.

• Learn how to utilise more of your character's moveset. You mostly just smashed and jabbed, with some random tilts and grabs here and there. This got especially bad with the aforementioned wifi Wolf.

• When you do get a grab, learn what you can do out of it. It seemed like you just picked a random throw each time and did nothing to follow it up (like Wolf, you should be using down throws and trying to follow it up, not do random back throws).

• Really work on that aerial game. Your aerial capabilities were quite frankly atrocious. You either pretty much ignored it completely (e.g. Wolf), or would just do full hops and then aerial down into my shield (e.g. Falco and Luigi). You need to move through the air, you need to short hop, you need to space your aerials and not just land in front of your opponent's shield.

• Mixup your stuff and actually try to be unpredictable. Despite what you claim you weren't "unpredictable" at all, and you had a bunch of very noticeable habits (such as the aforementioned rolling). Throwing a random subpar attack out here and there is not mixing it up nor being "unpredictable".

• Learn to utilise your shield. The shield is amazing in Brawl, and being able to shield and punish out of it properly really separates the good players from the bad players. Look at how many out of shield punishes I got on you, from shield grabs, to OoS up smashes, to jump out of shield aerials, while you returned nothing of that sort in return.

• Spacing spacing spacing. Misspacing your attacks lead to getting grabbed by Dedede and all those out of shield punishes. You're just giving your opponent free damage on you when you don't space your attacks.

• Find a character or two and just stick with them. A player of your level should not be trying to play so many characters at once. It will keep you from really learning anyone, and spread your development out too much that you won't become good with anyone. A master of one or two characters will always do better than a jack of all characters will.

• Never touch Dedede again, your Dedede was really really really bad, and you had no idea what to do with him, even after seeing mine in several matches. He was by far the worst character you trotted out, and a Dedede should never be getting absolutely dominated and three stocked by a Wolf.

• For mindset advice, you have to recognised when you got outplayed and try to look at what you did wrong, rather than blame it on other factors. You won't grow much as a player if you don't accept full responsibility for losses and don't try to learn from them.

Also, there is no such thing as "host advantage", lag is the same for both parties. And sure, come around here sometime and I'll play you, and money match you if you think the lag was that much of a difference maker. Also, you should try to find the local smash scene around you, and go to the smashfests and tournaments around, especially if you're gonna refuse to touch wifi again. You're not gonna make any progression at all if you just play CPUs and casual friends/family. Omega Tyrant 20:40, 24 February 2014 (EST)

Fine. Maybe we will have a match again; but next time, it will be a different result. Requiem of Ice (talk) 07:07, 25 February 2014 (EST)

Hey, I'm back on. Would you like to fight again? I'm going to try a different routine than last time. So, if you're available, let me know. Requiem of Ice (talk) 17:15, 25 February 2014 (EST)

Another time, my internet is fucking up right now. Omega Tyrant 20:17, 25 February 2014 (EST)

Okay. I wasn't exactly on, either. I got hooked into playing FEAR on PC, so I may or may not be available tomorrow. Let you know if I am. Requiem of Ice (talk) 00:05, 26 February 2014 (EST)

I'm likely to be on today, what say you? How's your internet, by the way? Requiem of Ice (talk) 17:18, 26 February 2014 (EST)

I wonder, why not both?

This wiki has always bring me conflicts when it comes to identification of certain elements, like the fact this is the only place in the whole internet that still calls the fourth game Super Smash Bros. 4 rather than Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U by title, not individually. Now, don't you find absurd that statement you made after editing the boxing ring article?

"I think we should hold off on calling this a Smash universe stage unless the stage gets an official recognisation as one, because aesthetics changes don't really seem like much when a boxing ring is clearly Punch Out."

To begin with, the boxing ring started with the Smash motif, but I know that for the mere sake a stage like that was never in the past installments of the series, nobody dared to call it a Smash Bros. property. I felt kinda disappointed when it got reskined as a Punch-Out!! stage, mainly because I didn't want Little Mac in (I don't blame his series but for the awful speculators that simply made me not wanting him) but also because it brought to a worse level the identification matter, which initially "killed" this stage origin as a Smash Bros. stage. Now Sakurai confirms both variants are present, yet you doubt it it is a Smash Bros. stage too, when it can clearly apply to both. Why a Smash motif doesn't make it a Smash Bros. stage too but a Punch-Out!! motif makes it a property of that universe? just because it is a ring? that still makes no sense, and it is not like the can on Distant Planet, or the Melee stages Yoshi's Island (a Mario-modelled stage given to the Yoshi universe) and Battlefield (which sports a different game symbol but is part of the Smash universe).

--Byllant (talk) 13:41, 25 February 2014 (EST)

"like the fact this is the only place in the whole internet that still calls the fourth game Super Smash Bros. 4 rather than Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U by title, not individually."

This is most certainly false, everyone and everything is calling it Smash 4 or "the new Smash Bros. game", except for places that are trying to be "official". Don't make shit up, we are certainly not the "only place on the whole internet" using that gaudy as hell "official name". The fact that Smash 4 is by far the most common name is why we're using it in the first place (and that "official name" is just so damn gaudy).

The rest of that argument is bullshit and mostly irrelevant/irrational fluff. Your personal feelings and whinings of not liking Little Mac have no place here and I don't care to hear it. As it is, a Boxing Ring is Punch Out, you are absolutely delusional if you think a boxing game, that entirely takes place in a boxing ring, wouldn't have a boxing ring stage be from it when Little Mac is brought in as a character. As I said in the edit summary, the "Smash version" is just a texture change, that just swaps the Punch Out logo with the Smash logo, which does not at all suddenly make it "an original Smash stage", when it's still the same Punch Out stage. Additionally, in the Punch Out games, Little Mac fights on various circuits, and the various circuits have their own mat design. So as is, I find it highly probable the "Smash version" is just playing off that, being the mat in the "Smash circuit", so to speak.

Just because you hate Punch Out and don't want it in Smash for whatever irrational reason, doesn't mean we're gonna call it an "original Smash stage" when it's clearly not. Omega Tyrant 20:14, 25 February 2014 (EST)

Some Help for Me?

Hey Omega Tyrant, I'm a long time lurker, and you seem like a cool dude, so I thought I'd ask you a question. I'm a pretty big gamer as well, but I'm also trying to get with some girls. I hope you have better luck with the ladies than me, both so you can help me out, and just cuz you seem like a cool dude and should be getting some action. Basically, I'm either not going to get some, or I can try to get this married Mormon girl to fuck with me. I think she would, but do you think its a good idea. Her husband's a tool, and she's hot. You think I should go for it, or is it going to cuase to much trouble, both with her breaking religious and marital vows? any help, for a fellow gamer? 107.167.83.59 16:47, 27 February 2014 (EST)

This is not appropriate use of a user talk page, and you should not expect a response. Toomai Glittershine The Cloronic 16:51, 27 February 2014 (EST)

Play Ganon, the chicks all dig Ganon. And don't play Meta Knight, because that's just lame and no one wants to go out with a Nado spammer. Omega Tyrant 21:02, 27 February 2014 (EST)

Idea for tier list talk page

So for a while we've had a big o' box at the top of the tier list talk page saying "don't be a dummy". Recently I've discovered a MediaWiki feature that lets us specify a custom message that appears when one tries to edit any specific page (like the "this is a talk page" box); for example MediaWiki:Editnotice-10-WikiStatusValue appears when you try to edit Template:WikiStatusValue. I'm thinking we can use this to move the tier list box to MediaWiki:Editnotice-1-Tier list. The advantage would be separation of talkpage with warning box, which makes it impossible for trolls to change/remove and lets us make it as obtrusive as necessary without hurting the talkpage itself. The disadvantage is that, while you can't edit the page without seeing it, you can't see it on the page itself, which reduces its visibility somewhat. I figured I'd ask for your opinion since you're typically/historically the admin who deals with that page, though I guess others can chime in as well (there's no good place to discuss talkpages unfortunately). Toomai Glittershine The Bold 00:26, 28 February 2014 (EST)

I would go with one on both really, that warning when editing looks nice, but the extra visibility of being on the talkpage itself is needed and could deter someone from trying to hit edit in a fit of rage. Omega Tyrant 07:57, 28 February 2014 (EST)

I challenge you.. to a Brawl!

Hey OT, wanna Brawl? Smashdude10 (talk) 09:05, 28 February 2014 (EST)

Sometime over the weekend I may be available. Omega Tyrant 00:32, 1 March 2014 (EST)

Brawl Related

Hey man, sorry if I pulled a Smash Master the other day. I admit that it was completely unsportsmanlike to do such a thing, and I won't do it again. But hey, I really want to Brawl you again and I'll actually be serious next time, by taking your advice. And if you could help me with my flaws, that would be great. Hey, do you have Skype; if so, we could communicate and you could tell me quickly what my flaws are. So, if you're interested, let me know. Requiem of Ice (talk) 14:05, 28 February 2014 (EST)

Sometime over the weekend I may be available. Omega Tyrant 00:32, 1 March 2014 (EST)

Alright. But hey, do you have a Skype? Requiem of Ice (talk) 10:12, 1 March 2014 (EST)

Hey man, I think I found a couple possible discoveries in Brawl. See, I am testing out a few things and solving the mysteries of why L-Cancelling was absent without explanation. If you have the time, I'd like to show you the possible discoveries. Requiem of Ice (talk) 20:52, 1 March 2014 (EST)

Hey, it's me again. Sorry for the mass amount of messages. Anyways, I found out a few things in Brawl:

Scorpion/Trip Cancel: To perform this you have to move the control stick left or right right as you randomly trip. This completely nullifies the second portion of the trip and immediately makes you sit.

Spin Sliding: To perform this, you have to walk, turn around, and repeat. The longer you hold while turning, the longer the slide. This is similar to Melee's Moon Walking, but with the added benefit of actually being able to change direction.

I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed these, but please tell me if they did. Requiem of Ice (talk) 17:12, 2 March 2014 (EST)

For the Skype question, nowadays I only use it to talk to friends or people I want to talk with that I can't otherwise under any other means. You can instead use IRC. Omega Tyrant 16:42, 3 March 2014 (EST)

Gotcha. Requiem of Ice (talk) 17:32, 3 March 2014 (EST)

Whenever you got time, we should Brawl. I've been trying to hone in some training. Requiem of Ice (talk) 22:05, 3 March 2014 (EST)

I can right now. Omega Tyrant 14:18, 4 March 2014 (EST)

Well nevermind, I have stuff to go do now. Omega Tyrant 15:20, 4 March 2014 (EST)

Whenever you got time, I'll be waiting (unless my brother takes the Wii). So yeah, whenever you got time, just message me. Requiem of Ice (talk) 20:53, 4 March 2014 (EST)

Congrats

You are apparently more popular than the United States. I'm not sure if this is something to celebrate or if it's mildly concerning. Ryxis (talk) 07:46, 4 March 2014 (EST)

Explanation

I figured you should know why the template talk pages suddenly took over WantedPages. When I was simplyfing {{tnavbar}}, I changed the talkpage link from using {{fullurl:}} to a normal page link, since I didn't consider that it would change the link's behaviour from "doesn't count as a link" to "counts as a link". I have since changed that part back, so by tomorrow the talkpage links should be outta there. Toomai Glittershine The Sharp 13:08, 6 March 2014 (EST)

Brawl Again

Hey, OmegaTyrant. If you ever have the time, can you and I Brawl against each other? Requiem of Ice (talk) 23:42, 15 March 2014 (EDT)

Brawl

Can you? If not please verify when you can. :)

Link PWNS (talk) 13:28, 23 March 2014 (EDT)

I'm new here.

Hi Omega! I'm new to Smash Wiki, and I would like you to help me with userpage things. (userbox towers etc.) Do you think you could help? Superman0102 (is extremely awesome) (talk) 19:04, 1 April 2014 (EDT)

Clarification

1. The Cloud doesn't have a hitbox. It's that first top hitbox of thunder that will perform the meteor. (It's bad place to put a meteor imo).
2. See this and this. In the F smash frame by frame gif, you can clearly see Marth leans his hand, head, and knee forward before the hitbox frames appear in front of their hurtboxes. In the shield breaker picture, the hitboxes appear when Marth begins to lean forward. In that gif of me using shield breaker, the blue Marth threw out a forward air hoping to hit me out of a forward smash. He knows this; pretty much every Melee Marth mains know this. The biggest example of how much of a detriment forward smash's hurtbox extension can be is when Falcon/Ganon is recovering with up B vs a Marth edgeguarding with forward smash. Falcon/Dark Dive can grab Marth while the forward smash swings down because the grab hitbox hits Marth's hand or knee as the sword is coming down. You never have this problem when using shield breaker. --Brian^{Don't try me!} 03:07, 11 April 2014 (EDT)

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You should check out this template before messing around too much with the tables it's planned to replace. Toomai Glittershine The Breegull 10:32, 23 April 2014 (EDT)

I was not aware of that. Omega Tyrant 10:37, 23 April 2014 (EDT)

Y'know, it's about time you get called out.

So I'm skimming the discussion on User talk:Byllant and see this comment he made:

"You are an admin, you are supposed to be respectful, now matter how annoying a user could be or how meddling some people are."

I'm aware that at the point in discussion where this quote was said, you had not done anything wrong, and the quote was misguided. But then you come up with this (condensed) response:

collapsed for brevity

Pay attention to the recent changes? Check back to the talk page the conversation was on, especially before readding disputed content the conversation is about? Put the page on your watchlist and use that to keep track of responses to it? No one else has any problems seeing if a talkpage conversation got replied to, learn to wiki better, your own incompetence and failure to even check back is not an excuse. What the hell are you even going on about here? That makes no sense whatsoever. So it's a "downfall" because we call it by the name everybody calls it by? You should read SW:OFFICIAL by the way before whining about us not using "official" names. So telling users not to readd removed content while not responding to talk page conversations about it (i.e. informing them to follow standard wiki procedure and doing my job) is now being "disrespectful", gotcha.

In this response you demonstrate a rather unnerving lack of respect for a good-faith user that happens to be in the wrong. You imply the user in question is "incompetent" amd he "whine"s about policies you don't think he's read. It's one thing to be hardnosed to people who have demonstrated a lack of caring, but it's quite another to be crass to a user who clearly has intent to improve. Here is just one example of a far better way you could have responded:

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If you don't think you can remember to check a talkpage discussion, you can use the watchlist feature to be notified of edits, or pay attention to RecentChanges. I wouldn't call this a "downfall", considering that it conforms to SW:OFFICIAL. And if that's our only downfall, we're doing pretty well. I am simply informing you to follow standard wiki procedure. Anything that came across as disrespectful was unintentional.

I'm honestly getting a bit tired as to how antagonistic some of your talkpage responses are coming across. It's good to have an admin with no tolerance for idiocy, but many times you take it too far on users who don't deserve it. Toomai Glittershine The Labbie 18:29, 25 April 2014 (EDT)

"you imply the user in question is "incompetent""

The user definitely shown incompetence, when they have been editing here for over three years, yet wants to claim they don't know the wiki's policies and standard procedure, and couldn't even pay attention to recent changes nor just check back up the talk page the conversation began on, while they keep making up excuses for not needing to know. If Byllant was new, sure I would agree it was too harsh, but when the user has been editing here for years, then no, there's no excuse, and it's just plain incompetence to not know the wiki's basics by this point.

"amd he "whine"s about policies you don't think he's read."

This isn't out of the line either, when:

• In the conversation above where this started, the majority of Byllant's post is a sob story about how he didn't want Little Mac in Smash 4, when it's completely irrelevant and has nothing to do with the content in question.

• Complains about swearing, when my use was completely innocuous and never directed at him.

• Complains about us not doing things like the other wikis he uses, while implying our wiki is something backwards for it, and complains about having to pay attention to someone else's talk page, when it's such an extremely simple thing to do.

• Byllant keeps complaining all over the wiki about us calling Smash 4 by Super Smash Bros. 4 instead of its official name, on unrelated talk page conversations and in edit summaries.
  • And in the most recent talk page conversation, my initial post was completely about telling him to not readd disputed content while not responding to the talk page conversation about it, yet Byllant goes on to complain again about the titling of Smash 4 in response to it.
    • Plus while constantly complaining about Smash 4's titling, Byllant never once bothered to try arguing the repeal of SW:OFFICIAL on its talk page, nor even tried arguing on Smash 4's talk page on why SW:OFFICIAL shouldn't apply to it.

There is nothing else to describe this but whining, especially when Byllant never once bothered to try formally arguing to the wiki why it should change something it does, while not shutting up about it anywhere.

"It's one thing to be hardnosed to people who have demonstrated a lack of caring, but it's quite another to be crass to a user who clearly has intent to improve."

I think the above covers why the user has demonstrated a clear lack of caring.

"I'm honestly getting a bit tired as to how antagonistic some of your talkpage responses are coming across. It's good to have an admin with no tolerance for idiocy, but many times you take it too far on users who don't deserve it."

This is a really poor example to go on about, when the user in question is in no sort of definition a newbie, and apparently has such a huge problem with the wiki using "Smash 4" that he can't stop bringing it up in completely unrelated things, yet never bothered to lift a finger to try getting it changed. And on top of that, when the best example you can bring up for me being "unnecessarily antagonistic" is calling a user incompetent and whiny (even ignoring that he clearly demonstrated such), I really question the basis behind this post. Omega Tyrant 19:42, 25 April 2014 (EDT)

Byllant has only 13 edits from before this calendar year, only made his first significant talkpage edit two months ago, and has 77 edits overall. He is clearly a user who sat quietly as a reader, making an occasional minor edit, and is only now getting into discussions and edits of the kind that require knowledge of policy. You seem to have not considered this kind of point of view.

I don't currently care about whatever happened in that discussion after the response I picked out here. But if you want a better "basis" for this post, let me put it this way: For the past six months or so I have been attempting to make a post like this in a civil and helpful manner, trying to pick out a specific example of your attitude that was unnecessarily harsh and easily fixable, without getting into the exact kind of discussion that caused it in the first place. (I've probably already failed, given that I only reviewed/previewed it about 40 times instead of 100, and am having a really hard time being honest without being mean.) Frankly, I subconsicously think of you as "the rude admin" even in cases where such is justified, and that's not a phrase anyone wants to hear.

I can't make you change your attitude. I'm just saying that I think it's a problem that's actively harming some users' intent to contribute (including me), and should not require much more than a little self-control to fix. At the very least, you can tone down the profanity in debates so your opponents can't try to use it as an argument against you. Toomai Glittershine The Aurum 22:48, 25 April 2014 (EDT)

"Byllant has only 13 edits from before this calendar year, only made his first significant talkpage edit two months ago, and has 77 edits overall. He is clearly a user who sat quietly as a reader, making an occasional minor edit, and is only now getting into discussions and edits of the kind that require knowledge of policy. You seem to have not considered this kind of point of view.

That, combined with the whole time he's been here, is more than enough time to learn the damn basics, especially when he touts being such an experienced wiki guy, and especially when he's going to keep complaining about how things are done on the wiki. And you know, you try painting him as some innocent user who made a honest mistake that he apologised for that is just getting yelled at by the mean old tyrant, yet did he actually say anything like "ok, I won't do that next time, sorry"? No, he just ranted about the wiki's titling of Smash 4, not liking Punch-Out, being some big experienced wikiman, and blaming the wiki for his wrongdoings. Like seriously, where the hell did you get this idea that he's some innocent newbie with a "clear intent to improve"? Did you even read his posts at all? Even CHawk went and commented in the convo about how asinine Byllant's posts were.

"I don't currently care about whatever happened in that discussion after the response I picked out here."

Then you shouldn't be trying to make commentary of it if you didn't bother to actually look at the whole context.

"For the past six months or so I have been attempting to make a post like this in a civil and helpful manner, trying to pick out a specific example of your attitude that was unnecessarily harsh"

When Byllant exhibits the qualities outlined above, calling him incompetent and whiny is not at all unjustified, nor are those at all "harsh" terms.

"trying to pick out a specific example of your attitude that was unnecessarily harsh and easily fixable"

This is quite honest, a really piss poor example, when Byllant is not at all some innocent newbie that's in any way sorrowful for any wrongdoings, my own terms used were hardly anything remotely resembling "harsh", and you clearly didn't even bother to read the whole context of the conflict. If you really want to snipe me like this, couldn't you wait for an example to come up that fits the slightest bit of the narrative you're trying to conjure up against me? And you know, actually wait until it resolves so it doesn't appear you're trying to undermine me?

"Frankly, I subconsicously think of you as "the rude admin" even in cases where such is justified, and that's not a phrase anyone wants to hear."

I quite frankly don't care if I get seen as "rude" for calling out bad users/admins for being bad users/admins, that aren't newbies and should know damn better. When a user pulls a Miles and abuses their position to repeatedly get away with shit that would get lesser users banned, or pulls a Byllant and just whines and makes excuses when an admin tells them to not do something, then bluntness is quite necessary (and hell, I was hardly blunt with Byllant to begin with).

"I can't make you change your attitude. I'm just saying that I think it's a problem that's actively harming some users' intent to contribute (including me), and should not require much more than a little self-control to fix."

If some users can't handle some bluntness when they're going to be dense, then that is too bad really. Things shouldn't be sugarcoated just to get bad users to stay (who are going to end up leaving anyway when they actively state they won't change their behavior and keep stating having such a problem with the wiki's procedures; seriously, out of all the users to start white knighting that is in some conflict with me, Byllant was the best you could do?).

"At the very least, you can tone down the profanity in debates so your opponents can't try to use it as an argument against you."

This no concern; if the best counterargument a user can come up with is complaining about me using shit instead of crap or using profanity to emphasise, then all it shows is that they have no argument in the first place. Omega Tyrant 00:56, 26 April 2014 (EDT)

Wow you really are serious at not even considering that maybe you're wrong, aren't you? You really want me to fight back? You want me to go through all your posts from the past six months and pick out all the unnecessary roughness? Or do you want me to open a public poll titled something like "Do you think OT's conduct in discussions is appropriate of a staff member"? Toomai Glittershine The Producer 10:38, 26 April 2014 (EDT)

Have you considered that you were wrong here, and are blowing up over nothing, in a situation you even admitted you didn't read the whole context of? I read what you wrote here, and everything you said about the Byllant thing is just plain bullshit (again, I must seriously ask, where the hell did you conjure up the image that Byllant was some innocent newbie "intent on improving", when he's clearly experienced, kept ranting back, and has repeatedly stated he wouldn't be doing anything different?) Seriously Toomai, is Byllant a friend of yours or something? Did you even read what I wrote in response? Or did you develop a grudge against me and are now looking for any little thing to try ousting me?

With your intent of me being wrong, it doesn't seem that you'll listen to anything I say. So instead of getting an excessive back and forth with you, I'm going to contact CHawk and get his word on this. Not only is he the most reasonable and neutral third party around, he directly participated in the Byllant convo (and at least definitely read Byllant's posts). Omega Tyrant 14:40, 26 April 2014 (EDT)

Maybe I shouldn't be getting involved, but I'm somewhat new, and when I've made mistakes I've apologized and tried to learn from them, to which OT has responded to without "rudeness". Although I'm not the right person to decide the proper conduct for the situation being discussed, I at least know that OT isnt rude to people who own up to their mistakes. Just wanted to throw that in there. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 14:42, 26 April 2014 (EDT)

Yeah I might be in the wrong here, we can't argue that. But I did indeed read the whole thing, and I willfully ignored most of it when making the original post because all responses afterwards were affected by the tone of yours, and I wanted to point specifically to you being curt without a large discussion chain already existing. This isn't some witch-hunt trying to paint you as a villain for no reason, it's not like I'm trying to get you de-admined or something stupid like that. I'm just attempting to inform you that I don't appreciate how your attitude in discussions makes things escalate on a hair trigger, I'm poor at articulating hard evidence for it, and for whatever reason this incident just happened to be what caused me to stop deleting millions of lines of text and actually save an edit for once. Toomai Glittershine The Brass 14:55, 26 April 2014 (EDT)

(What you are about to read is a personal opinion. Don't take it too personally.) For the love of TWEWY, why on earth are we all arguing about an argument? Yes, true, OT can be (is) a little crass on occasion (read: often), but, aren’t we all? To offer my point of view, Byllant was demonstrating incompetence, which, if you define it, means `lack of skill`, which, although could be phrased better, was exactly what he was demonstrating. Now, I ain’t sticking up for anyone here, nor trying to be a hero, but for crying out loud, don’t we all have better things to do with our time? Sorry if that came across a tad rude, but I needed that out. ScoreCounter (talk) 15:07, 26 April 2014 (EDT)

Also just FYI I am not defending Byllant's more recent actions, which are clearly unacceptable. My opinion that your attitude is unbecoming of a staff member stands. Toomai Glittershine The Indescribable 18:04, 26 April 2014 (EDT)

Having been asked my input, here it is:

1. Byllant is quite possibly the worst user for this to become an issue with. I'm not even sure if his edits are good-faith anymore, so I don't think we can draw that much from how that situation is being handled.
2. OT, there are times you come off as rather harsh, but I don't think its anything worse than what I've done in the past (and nowhere near what Semi would do after a night of drinking…). Most of the time, this is directed at people who deserve it; you generally only get harsh with repeat offenders and/or people who insist on spreading their stupidity. That said, I think there are times where you get some friendly fire in your stupidity napalming. We all do, so its not a big deal. And, as FirstLasso said, you tend to take people at their word when they say they will fix their behavior (at least until they show otherwise).
3. Toomai, you've got a point as well that there are occasions that OT goes overboard. Again, this whole discussion is poisoned by Byllant's blatant disregard for policy. I think you are right to ask OT if he is really doing things the right way. However, I think you do need to provide him some more relevant examples. I see where you're coming from in general, but we need to have this discussion about salient points, not a user teetering on the border to ban-land.
4. Both of you, take a step back. There's no major issue here, just different methods of administrating. Toomai is going about it by helping users get to where they need to be, and calmly giving guidance. OT is demanding a certain level of competency. We need both. If we just had the first way, we wouldn't put the people who deserve it in the corner with their "I'm stupid" hats. But if all we had was second, we wouldn't be doing a great job of fostering new users (obviously, these are extreme positions—neither of you are anywhere near these hyperbole).
5. As for swearing, I really don't think its a major issue here, but OT, you might want to bring it down a notch. I have no problem with it personally, but I understand the position that others take when saying it weakens your argument. Regardless, I've not seen any directed at specific people, so it's not becoming personal attacks from my perspective.

Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 23:16, 26 April 2014 (EDT)

This... might be above my place, but I'd just like to say that OT may be one of those guys who Suffers Newbies Poorly. And while I'm not familiar with the whole Byllant fiasco, my thoughts are that though you may lose your patience, a staff member should always try to maintain a manner of professionalism even if good faith can no longer be reasonably assumed. There are certainly ways to demand a level of competency without coming off as hostile, and I've seen far too many of "that one mod" in my life who always seems to use his position of authority as a ticket to be condescending or otherwise abrasive. Just... try not to be "that one mod" since it's not good for anyone. Anyway, just my thoughts. VinLAURiA (talk) 00:01, 27 April 2014 (EDT)

@Toomai: You say that, yet Byllant has displayed that flippant whiny attitude since his very first response, while you tried to paint him as an innocent newbie that was "intent on improving" and was unjustly lashed out towards (seriously, if Byllant did just said something like "ok, I won't do that next time" or anything of that sort, without the excuses or whining about irrelevant shit, it would have been discussion over). The fact remains that I find your motive extremely questionable when a user like Byllant (whose my responses to have been rather soft really) is the one you take grave issue over.

@Vinlauria: This isn't a "problem with newbies" at all, notice what Firelasto stated; I am not someone who just jumps on newbies (and I have often been the one that helped them out, and have even handwalked people through seemingly simple things). Also notice that Byllant (or Miles, another user I have often lashed out on (and Miles got actual lashing out, rather than what Byllant got)) are not in any sense of the word a "newbie" (the latter is in fact an admin); it's incompetent users that will just makeup excuses and not accept any responsibility, while actively hurting the content or community of the wiki with their asshattery. So don't try claiming this as a "problem with newbies", when I never lashed out on a user for just making a newbie mistake, and when users of all experience levels have gotten it (including other admins). The rest of your post seems offbase as well, and seems to be you making blind assumptions based off of what Toomai said, rather than actually looking up the posts in question.

@CHawk: What you have said has been duly noted. Omega Tyrant 10:04, 27 April 2014 (EDT)

Related but separate question

For lack of a better phrase, you seem to be deadset on using profanity as you see fit, and no other user comes to mind in terms of who else does to a similar degree. Clearly this means you think that profanity has a purpose and net positive effect in discussions. My question is: What positive effect could this possibly be? I have absolutely no idea how profanity has any effect on discussions other than implying antagonism, anger, and loss of patience, as well as not-rarely resulting in younger/less-fortitudinous users complaining. From my point of view it's nothing but bad news for civility, regardless of intent, and I'd be fascinated as to what you see in it. Toomai Glittershine The Labbie 15:57, 26 April 2014 (EDT)

What the hell is this?

Sometimes I look at the histories of pages for fun (don't ask) and I noticed that a user did not edit his own talk page, despite the fact that he did post there. I checked every edit, and it turned out that you created a post for him, and since you couldn't use his signature, you signed it wrong. You pointed out something wrong that "he" did, and another user asked him to SIGN HIS POSTS CORRECTLY. Correct me if I'm wrong.75.85.64.155 01:14, 1 May 2014 (EDT)

Take note of this page, I simply moved his post from the improper talk page to the correct one where the discussion was taking place. If I "made up" a post for him, that user or someone else would have said something then about it. Do your research better next time before making such accusations, especially when it regards something old and forgotten. Omega Tyrant 01:28, 1 May 2014 (EDT)