Talk:Super Smash Bros. 4/Archive 5

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Every Character and Color in HD

http://imgur.com/a/0RQtP#0

Source: Reddit (Not Me)

GamerGuy09 (talk) 04:28, 7 October 2014 (EDT)

Ness, Jigglypuff, Ganondorf and Bowser Jr. are on the default roster for the Wii U version

How should this be presented in the character section where it bolds those who are unlockable?

Good question. Bolded italics perhaps? ---Previously unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 19:11, 23 October 2014 (EDT)

I have an idea for a totally new system here. It's not updated for that split yet; I'm waiting for things to calm down a bit first. Toomai Glittershine The Irrepressible 19:12, 23 October 2014 (EDT)

Until then, I'm going to add my idea. Feel free to change if a better idea comes though. ---Previously unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 19:16, 23 October 2014 (EDT)

How about putting an asterisk by their name / page ling, then under the graph/chart put, "*These characters are playable in the starting roster in SM4SH Wii U", or something like that. 1blitzer1 (talk) 00:43, 5 November 2014 (EST)

I took care of that on the Starter characters page. Gpev96 (SHAZAM!) (talk) 09:04, 4 November 2014 (EST)

Pokémon Stadium 2

It looks like it appears at 14:42 in the Smash Direct. You guys might want too add it. http://youtu.be/j0BBGzfw0pQ?t=14m42s SunnyDust (talk) 20:17, 23 October 2014 (EDT)

Yoshi's Wooly World stage

There appears to be a Yoshi's Wooly World stage on the same stage selection screen that leaked Congo Jungle 64, next to Yoshi's Island. You guys might want to add that too.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.226.12.59 (talk • contribs) 22:49, October 23, 2014 (CST)

That stage is known already. Also, to sign, use four tildes (~~~~). Berrenta (talk) 01:07, 4 November 2014 (EST)

8 player stages indication

Is there any way that in the infobox for stages in the WiiU version that we could indicate whether or not it supports up to eight players? If we can put the type of crate maybe we should indicate that as well. Just a thought. Gpev96 (SHAZAM!) (talk) 09:17, 4 November 2014 (EST)

There is, actually, I'll get that up with the known stages when I get a chance. Laikue (talk | contribs) 15:20, 4 November 2014 (EST)

FantasticGpev96 (SHAZAM!) (talk) 15:26, 4 November 2014 (EST)

"Pre-trailer information" section

Since the 3ds version is out (and the Wii U version almost is), does the "pre-trailer information" section still need to be there? I've noticed that the pages for the previous three games don't have one… Whidog (talk) 13:37, 7 November 2014 (EST)

Ducking jab

I've noticed something strange in smash 4. If you hold diagonally down on the ground and attack, your character performs a jab. You have to be very precise, though; I think its within a single degree. Try holding forward, then slowly sliding the circle pad downward until you duck. Its difficult to maintain the correct angle, and impractical in a match (might be easy with a gc controller, though). I cant seem to cause a neutral aerial using the same method, but as I said, its extremely difficult to get the correct angle in the first place. Anyone know what causes this, and whether its worth noting anywhere on the wiki at all? ♡FirstaLasto♥ 22:12, 10 November 2014 (EST)

what your talking about is angling the forward tilt, it's been here since Melee nothing new. Thesupernintendokid (talk) 20:03, 18 November 2014 (EST)

Since when does an angled forward tilt produce a jab? ♡FirstaLasto♥ 20:13, 18 November 2014 (EST)

Tried this in the Wii U version, and its much easier due to the Wii controller support. Noticed it also works diagonally backwards (although this will still jab forwards). ♡FirstaLasto♥ 18:33, 22 November 2014 (EST)

I've seen and done that in the 3DS version multiple times. I don't really think it's anything special. Scr7(talk · contribs) 18:40, 22 November 2014 (EST)

Left,Right,left,right,TRIP?!

I Found out if you go left and right quickly you can trip?Maybe you knew that

--EnderNan 08:56, 7 December 2014 (EST)EnderNan

...you sure there wasn't anything in your way? Like, an attack that can trip, or an item that can trip? Because, as it states on the page, Sakurai removed random tripping altogether (specifically, the example you just mentioned). BlueStreak 09:00, 10 December 2014 (EST)

The "Giant Fluff of Text"

I honestly don't care whether or not it's there, but seeing as how these two pages also have it, I think it's fair to say that it should either be all or nothing. Just my opinion. Aidan the Aura Master 11:01, 4 February 2015 (EST)

I intend to similarly trim those pages if nobody can make a good case for why they should be this bulky. Miles (talk) 11:13, 4 February 2015 (EST)

I think the best way to do that (again, this is my opinion) is to reword a bunch of it so that it's not split into too many little sections...

("blah blah blah"

"different blah blah blah")

...but still have a majority of what it had said at first. Aidan the Aura Master 11:17, 4 February 2015 (EST)

I guess my main thought is "What does that text tell somebody that ten seconds of looking at this page wouldn't?" I tried to trim down to the biggest and most important pieces. Miles (talk) 11:50, 4 February 2015 (EST)

A little summarization of it all couldn't hurt. Aidan the Aura Master 11:53, 4 February 2015 (EST)

So how would you (concisely) summarize that whole wall of text? Miles (talk) 11:54, 4 February 2015 (EST)

(Reset indent) Well, let's see here. Let's take this as an example.

"The original announcement of the game revealed a number of playable characters. Since then, other characters were announced via Miiverse, Nintendo Directs, and other videos until the official release of the game. There are 50 character slots on the roster (52 counting each Mii Fighter as an individual character). Twelve of them need to be unlocked before they appear in the 3DS version, and 8 are unlockable in the Wii U version. Only one character, Mewtwo, is confirmed to appear as downloadable content. Seven characters from Brawl do not return. While Charizard returns, the Pokémon Trainer and his Pokémon do not return. The EarthBound universe drops its only other rep, Lucas. Wolf from Star Fox is also cut. The Ice Climbers and their universe get dropped, but the Polar Bear makes an appearance in the 3DS exclusive mode, Smash Run. The Metal Gear franchise gets dropped completely, with no representation at all in Smash 4. Three universes gain two newcomers each, being Mario, Fire Emblem, and Kid Icarus. The Pokémon universe brings Greninja as a newcomer, while also bringing back Mewtwo from Melee. Multiple new universes are also added, such as Wii Fit and Xenoblade. Finally, three universes previously represented with no playable characters gain their first characters, being Punch-Out!!, Animal Crossing, and Super Smash Bros.."

Granted, this would be somewhat lengthy, but it would work. Aidan the Aura Master 12:21, 4 February 2015 (EST)

That's a bit of an improvement, definitely. It could work as is, although it may be worth considering trimming down the references to universes (e.g. the note about the Polar Bear). Miles (talk) 12:34, 4 February 2015 (EST)

If I were to do that, then it would imply that the universe has been dropped altogether (which it hasn't). Aidan the Aura Master 12:35, 4 February 2015 (EST)

I guess what I was getting at was that...

"The EarthBound universe drops its only other rep, Lucas. Wolf from Star Fox is also cut. The Ice Climbers and their universe get dropped, but the Polar Bear makes an appearance in the 3DS exclusive mode, Smash Run."

...could be replaced by something more like:

"Some playable characters from Brawl are not playable in this iteration, including Lucas from the EarthBound series, Wolf from the Star Fox series, and the Ice Climbers from the Ice Climber series."

I feel like it's more cohesive and on-topic that way. Miles (talk) 12:47, 4 February 2015 (EST)

That could work. If I'm understanding our conversation completely, you're saying that the paragraph that I wrote could work as a replacement for the big wall of text that was previously there (including the edit that you made to said paragraph)? Aidan the Aura Master 12:52, 4 February 2015 (EST)

Something close to it, yeah. It was the length and messiness of it that was a problem, not its existence as a whole. Miles (talk) 20:01, 5 February 2015 (EST)

Nerf to projectile camping?

So according to some character pages like Bowser and Ganondorf, projectile camping was nerfed. However, I can't seem to find it anywhere on the wiki. How were they nerfed? Shadow (talk) 01:21, 22 February 2015 (EST)

Should We Change the Title?

Now that the games have been released, should we change the article's title to the official title of the games? using the title "Super Smash Bros. 4" is certainly shorter than "Super Smash Bros for WiiU/3DS", but at the same time, it's a little unprofessional. --Meowzers! (talk) 07:13, 24 February 2015 (EST)

New sections go at the bottom, and it has already been decided that it'd be better for everyone if we kept it as Smash 4. It's what the grand majority call it anyway. Besides, we have pages for the individual versions as well. Laikue (talk | contribs) 13:34, 24 February 2015 (EST)

• Sorry, I had recently joined...--Meowzers! (talk) 12:15, 3 March 2015 (EST)

New glitch

This is a glitch I found. I was being Wario playing against Rosalina on Garden of Hope (or whatever the Wii U Pikmin stage is called), and managed to chomp Rosalina while she was in the pot thingy, and when she came out she was small. I chomped her when she was small, and she was spinning right below Wario's mouth. She didn't go back to normal size until she got stuck in the pot again. What is this? Trainiax: Waluigi in Smash? Discuss it! 19:46, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

In-Game Shops

I feel like this should be mentioned somewhere on the wiki, but I don't know where exactly. It's own page, maybe?

New glitch No# 2 discovered

It has been discovered that zero suit Samus from the Metroid series is now known to pose in a certain inappropriate manner. It has brought attention to many of those who used zero suit samus frequently. more info will be updated shortly