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Miiverse archive

You should say something definitive about the reporting of notable speculation issue on the talkpage, Miles is still completely reverting after not responding even when you stated you didn't disagree with it.

(And I guess you can say my revert back was also a violation, but I felt after your statement and his failure to respond back, there was no right to keep it on the reverted version.) Omega Tyrant 07:18, 1 March 2014 (EST)

While Omega and Miles are busy arguing, could you finish List of Director's Room Miiverse posts/Archive 1? Omega said he'll get to it, but it seems he's busy fighting Miles. SeanWheeler (talk) 17:02, 1 March 2014 (EST)

Stop being a lazy bastard and do it yourself if you want it up that badly right now. Omega Tyrant 17:14, 1 March 2014 (EST)

I don't have a Miiverse account. I don't have access to the director's room. If I did, the list would be complete already. I need a Miiverse account to access the Director's Room. I need a Wii U in order to sign up, since the site wouldn't let you sign up with a PC. It would take a lot of begging for my Mom to get me a Wii U. I don't know what's in my bank account, but my wallet doesn't have nearly enough cash for a Wii U console. If I do this list myself, I wouldn't be able to get all the links and the list would be based on another fansite. SeanWheeler (talk) 17:25, 1 March 2014 (EST)

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There you go. They have the exact images and quotes from Sakurai. Omega Tyrant 17:29, 1 March 2014 (EST)

Phew, did what I could. Now someone will have to complete those links. You ready? SeanWheeler (talk) 20:59, 1 March 2014 (EST)

In Melee, what frame does Marth's dash become a run?

This is how you measure maximal dash dance length. I suspect it's something like frame 15.--Brian^{Don't try me!} 05:30, 2 March 2014 (EST)

It turns into run on 16, so you're in dash for 15 frames before you run, and you can tapturn any time during those 15 frames to dashdance. Toomai Glittershine The Celeritous 19:59, 2 March 2014 (EST)

Hey there again

Could you read Talk:L-canceling and give some data on how "mashing the buttons and/or holding L and R" decreases (or fails to decrease) landing lag of an aerial move? Muchas gracias. --Timson622222 (talk) 18:06, 2 March 2014 (EST)

I think everything there has already been said. Toomai Glittershine The Celeritous 19:59, 2 March 2014 (EST)

WHYYYYYY

Y u delete the SA Suggestions page? You said no one was voting, but someone voted a few hours before the delete! Can't you just put a message on the top of Smash Arena?75.85.64.155 23:31, 3 March 2014 (EST)

Calm down, the suggestions get purged after a while and depending on the supports, they will appear in future fight or not. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 00:02, 4 March 2014 (EST)

Bot request

Can I put a bot request here?

Can all pages in Category:Game Physics be moved to Category:Game physics? - Ceci n’est pas un Smiddle. 09:40, 4 March 2014 (EST)

Rightyo. XL 12:30, 4 March 2014 (EST)

Moving over redirects

For pages like ! (disambiguation) and ? (disambiguation), how am I suppose to move these over a redirect? Dots (talk) The Star Fox 15:56, 5 March 2014 (EST)

Who decided that should be done? Toomai Glittershine The Non-Toxic 16:44, 5 March 2014 (EST)

Oh good lord, Dots. On User talk:Ryxis, we were talking about removing "(disambiguation)" from the Invisibility page, not every disambiguation page... DoctorPain99 16:57, 5 March 2014 (EST)

Oh, so I wasn't suppose to do the reverting? It seems like Category talk:Disambiguation has still favored for having that (disambiguation) redundancy? Dots (talk) The Mushroom 18:48, 5 March 2014 (EST)

It was decided on Category talk:Disambiguation that we keep things as is, with disambiguation in some titles and not others. No one decided to get rid of disambiguation in all titles. DoctorPain99 18:53, 5 March 2014 (EST)

I didn 't mean move them back. That's what we have XL for... DoctorPain99 18:59, 5 March 2014 (EST)

So then, sorry for my misunderstanding, I guess the said XL can clean up my mess. Besides, I wasn't able to move Event 29 either. Dots (talk) The GameCube 19:05, 5 March 2014 (EST)

New Username

I'm going to make this as quick as possible: I recently got a message that said I had to pick a new username. I've already picked one out: Mirai-chan. Lets me know ASAP if this username will work or not. Zelda smash-chi (talk) 23:12, 12 March 2014 (EDT)

Looks good to me. Toomai Glittershine The Brass 00:19, 13 March 2014 (EDT)

We probably need to talk

But not here. Some time soon we need to IRC. Semicolon (talk) 13:58, 19 March 2014 (EDT)

A couple of questions

• No matter how many times they changed my edits or how many times I have read this, I can't understand why this wiki is so persistent in calling the fourth game Super Smash Bros. 4 (a pretty unclever name), despite Sakurai confirming since the reveal date that the official name is Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS (not any better than SSB4, though), those are not tentative names and if they ever changed only Sakurai can say, looks like a weird conspiration I'm forced to participate in. Every wiki in the whole internet is calling it Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and Nintendo 3DS (or some sort like that), independent wikis like Wikipedia, Bulbapedia, Super Mario Wiki, Zeldapedia, Nookiepedia and Wikia-hosted wikis like Mega Man Knowledge Base, Kirby Wiki (split in two articles BTW) and Smashpedia (whom you are still a bureaucrat) calls it by the official name but the independent Smash Bros.-centerd wiki doesn't, why? just because the community prefers to call it like that? I think only the minimal gameplay stuff should require the opinion of the community like calling tilts the strong attacks, teching the ukemi technique or tripping the unfamous prat falling; but not the title of the game. It's like calling Super Mario 3D Land by its early name Super Mario or the name initially given by Reggie: Super Mario 3D.

• For a long time I have believed some navboxes could get a better accomodation and have a more neatier design, not by color as that might require messing with the MediaWiki coding for this place (but if possible would be awesome), but by a new arrangement. I work for the McLeodGaming Wiki, you know, the unfamed Wikia-hosted wiki that mainly focuses on the highly popular Super Smash Flash series of fangames. As our focus is almost the same (the series complex history, its whole content, characters' analysis and the competitive play ambit, we even shared an admin: Pikmander2) we have used the same MediaWiki code for a long time, however, I was never keen in the way the SmashWiki arranged info within its navboxes, for example within the side characters tier of the Mario universe navbox, it gets "splitted" by bosses, Assist Trophies, enemies and special move by a simple bolded text, while this is actually good for sorting I have noticed that whenever a sub-tier is neeced in a navbox in Wikipedia, a new sub-box is required as well. Here is how I solved that issues in the MG Wiki with the same template (obviously adapted to incorporate the SSF2 criteria). I also saw more convinient sorting all the stages into Versus and 1-Player sub-tiers rather than by games as items don't get this discrmination by getting sorted by games despite some not appearing anymore in a future game. BTW have you seen the location of the series symbol inside the box? from my point of view it gets more attractive there instead of the header of the box, that and because adding those symbol in the header stretched the header. Don't you think navboxes here could have a similar treatment?

• Speaking of series symbols, I got to admit you inspired me to do the same thing you did here: to trace my own symbols. In order to get a more accurate representation of the official thing, I traced over rendered screenshots from the game to get the same icon, where I discovered minimal details that are always overlooked by people. Here is the Fire Emblem symbol you traced:

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And here is mine:

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I was wondering if I could add those symbols into the wiki to get an even more accurate symbol. The only inconvenient is that they don't share the same file format or dimensions.

• The final question is simple: as items are a very important key aspect in Super Smash Bros. history, I don't know why there is not a recompilatory list on each of the games's articles. Shouldn't we have a listing?

--Byllant (talk) 05:55, 28 March 2014 (EDT)

1. We call SSB4 that for a few reasons:
   1. Everyone else does. Sure other wikis' page titles and game websites don't, but they tend to be where people want/have to use the official name over the common one. The vast majority of players online in other contexts call it/them SSB4 (and have been since pretty much Brawl's release, so that kind of gives us a search engine advantage I would think). So yeah it is mostly "just because the community prefers to call it like that". It's also just easier at this point to say "Super Smash Bros. 4" in articles instead of "Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS" (which is just ugly).
   2. We don't know yet how different the two games will be. Currently we're assuming they'll be similar enough to share a page, which lends itself to refer to the page as a group and not a pair.
   3. The "for [system]" titles are objectively stupid; pretty much no one likes them.
2. I would argue the navbox thing is a matter of taste, though I agree that some of them are getting a bit unwieldy and could use an experiment.
3. I was never that impressed with my Fire Emblem symbol to begin with, I'll give it another look. Point me to any other symbols you think could use a revisit.
4. For whatever reason, the community really hasn't cared for game pages to have item lists. I'm personally on the fence about adding them.

Toomai Glittershine The Quiet 10:03, 28 March 2014 (EDT)

Melee Zelda Kick vs PM Zelda Kick

There's this long debate on facebook regarding which is stronger. Got the knockback values?--Brian^{Don't try me!} 16:59, 29 March 2014 (EDT)

I'll assume you only care about the sweetspot.

SSBM Lightning Kick (both) sweetspot: 20%, Sakurai angle, 30/96 knockback

SSBB Lightning Kick (front) sweetspot: 20%, Sakurai angle, 34/95 knockback

SSBB Lightning Kick (back) sweetspot: 20%, Sakurai angle, 40/96 knockback

PM3.02 Lightning Kick (front) initial inner sweetspot: 22% (+20 on shield), angle of 35, 30/93 knockback

PM3.02 Lightning Kick (front) initial outer sweetspot: 18%, angle of 40, 25/100 knockback

PM3.02 Lightning Kick (front) late sweetspot: 16%, angle of 40, 25/100 knockback

PM3.02 Lightning Kick (back) initial inner sweetspot: 21% (+16 on shield), Sakurai angle, 35/100 knockback

PM3.02 Lightning Kick (back) initial outer sweetspot: 17%, Sakurai angle, 30/105 knockback

PM3.02 Lightning Kick (back) late sweetspot: 15%, Sakurai angle, 30/105 knockback

Toomai Glittershine The Superlative 18:40, 29 March 2014 (EDT)