User talk:Omega Tyrant/Archive 5

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Help

ok :( but cam u help me if i need help? not first on friends? --Saphira3.1 (talk) 02:51, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

YAY DO U LIKE POKEMON? IDO --Saphira3.1 (talk) 02:57, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

also go to http://homeworks.wikia.com/wiki/Homework_Wiki its easier to talk on there --Saphira3.1 (talk) 02:57, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, if you need help with something, ask me, but if it is something about your userpage, be sure to contribute constructively to other areas of the Wiki. Also, be sure to put any new conversations on a talk page under a new header and respond to comments on your talk page there instead of on the other user's talk page. And yes, I'm a fan of the Pokemon games, but any discussion on it on our talk pages would be inappropriate. Such conversations can take place on the IRC channel. Omega Tyrant 03:01, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

ok sorry  please can we start over i love pokemon Saphira3.1 (talk) 15:46, September 25, 2010 (UTC) Ok look im sorry go to my wiki so its easier to explain my self thwre  but ill try to mature up Saphira3.1 (talk) 16:30, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

My user page

Try editing it. Just see if you can. Shark (talk) 04:36, 10 October 2010 (EDT)

Sure. Omega Tyrant 04:40, 10 October 2010 (EDT)

Okay this page, User:Lugiagirl249, is a user page but it's been placed in the Smasher and Female Smasher categories. To my knowledge, user pages don't belong in those categories. I researched the person on the rest of the internet, and they don't seem notable enough to qualify for their own smasher article (two small tournaments attended, mediocre placements, no matches recorded). Anyway I can't edit user pages, so it would be cool if you could remove the page from those categories. Thanks Shark (talk) 04:45, 10 October 2010 (EDT)

Done! Omega Tyrant 04:47, 10 October 2010 (EDT)

Turns out there are a lot more...

[[Smasher:User talk:IRetardedGenius]] [[Smasher:User talk:SuperShika]]

User:JoeTE

[[User:MasterTK]] User:MeleeMaster500

Shark (talk) 05:26, 10 October 2010 (EDT)

It's all done now ;)Omega Tyrant 07:13, 10 October 2010 (EDT)

Huh?

Do you know why I can't go on the new logo discussion page? 8^P SonicRulz13 (talk) 10:59, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

Uhm, no I wouldn't know. Must be a problem with your browser or something. Omega Tyrant 11:12, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

Pikmin wiki

I'm not sure if you're a user on Pikmin wiki, but I'm pretty sure you are. Anyway, have you check the wiki? Everything's been replaced with content about SmashWiki! Not sure if you can do something about it or not, but I just wanted to talk to someone to see if it's not my computer that's going crazy. Espyo (talk) 17:02, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

Ok, disregard that. Everything's back to normal now. Those sure were some odd minutes. Espyo (talk) 17:11, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

Ah no, I never played the Pikmin games before, and preferring to research things myself, I wouldn't actively edit a Wiki about a game series I never played before. Omega Tyrant 20:09, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

Smash wikia

I left a message on my wikia talk page. Go take a look. Zeldasmash (talk) 15:08, 27 October 2010 (EDT)

polls

Do you know what happened to the polls? I checked my user page and yours, and something seems to be wrong.--Vincent Tran 00:21, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

No, you'll have to ask someone else. Omega Tyrant 00:26, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

Rly?

You sure about his OT? I'm pretty sure it does? and if it doesn't, please explain. Vincent Tran 01:09, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

If you actually properly tested it instead of just assuming it's an OHKO, you will see that it fails to KO at 0% from the center of Final Destination, thus not fulfilling the objective criteria we have set for an attack to be an OHKO. Don't put assumptions into the Wiki's articles. Also, you should be the one explaining how it's an OHKO, not me explaining why it isn't, considering that it has already been established in the past that it is not an OHKO. Omega Tyrant 01:15, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

sorry, kinda looked it up a bit on G&W's SSBB page, and i thought it meant that it was only an OHKO if it wasn't Stale at all.Vincent Tran 01:19, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

If I recall correctly, it says it's nearly an OHKO when not stale, unless someone changed it, in which case it's no longer correct. One thing I'll like to remind you, that information in the Wiki's articles, while usually correct, isn't always, which is why you should use your own knowledge when editing instead of basing it off of information in existing articles. Omega Tyrant 01:27, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

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fine whatever,one thing though,constructive forums,ive yet to see oneGig (talk) 09:21, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

Reply to comments on your talk page there, not on the other person's talk page. And though it's true most forums aren't constructive, some of them actually are (such as the one about game articles, which led to the removal of trophy and game articles). While ranting in our forums isn't necessarily wrong, rant forums here will generally be ignored or met with hostility, especially when the OP of the forum is not articulated well, thus really doing you no good ranting in them. Omega Tyrant 09:39, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

from ZS

I hope you get better man. Also congrats. Your Momentum Canceling page is now a Featured Article. Zeldasmash (talk) 10:40, 6 November 2010 (EDT)

I don't really know you but it sucks that you have to temporarily (or permanently) leave, i've seen all the edits and graphs you have contributed to this site and i reckon smashwiki is losing one of its best.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 07:48, 14 November 2010 (EST)

I don't think you guys have to be too concerned. Seeing the work he put into the Wiki, unless his heart for some reason gave out on him at only 19, I'm certain he'll be back once whatever else was going on in his life clears up. Garo108 13:25, 14 November 2010 (EST)

IRC

You can always talk to me on IRC if you want. Also how are things going for you? Doc King (talk) 15:38, 19 November 2010 (EST)

I will likely be remaining off IRC in the coming days. As for how things are going, they are more or less crap. Omega Tyrant 00:30, 21 November 2010 (EST)

Smasher namespace

How did you guys create the "Smasher" namespace? - Drilly Dilly (talk) 15:13, 27 November 2010 (EST)

He is currently busy. Use this and just fill in the blanks.-Ivy73 15:20, 27 November 2010 (EST)

I don't think that's what the question meant; I think it was more of a "how did you program the Smasher namespace itself into the wiki". Which I don't know the answer to, as that was a very long time ago and I don't think any of our current members were around at the time. Toomai Glittershine 15:22, 27 November 2010 (EST)

I think that was added back before the Wikia merge, so presumably it got added by the original site managers via the MediaWiki. (Not that I know the details.) Miles (talk) 18:32, 27 November 2010 (EST)

Per Toomai and Miles. Omega Tyrant 06:00, 29 November 2010 (EST)

Sig crop

Would you like me to reduce the size of your sig image? I know you currently use a resized form in your signature but it still might be a good idea to get rid of the extra blank space. Toomai Glittershine 21:48, 7 December 2010 (EST)

Do what you have to, just try avoiding making it too small to where it's unrecognisable. Omega Tyrant 23:08, 7 December 2010 (EST)

Done; you may want to put a space between your sig text and the image now (and remove the 25px as it's now 23x22). Toomai Glittershine 13:54, 8 December 2010 (EST)

Alright, I'll be sure to do that, and thanks. Omega Tyrant 14:28, 8 December 2010 (EST)

Re:Non American English

Yeah, I'm sorry. I later went to Wikitionary and searched the alternative spellings (like "cancelling", not "canceling") and saw that it was just an alternative spelling. Won't happen again. Anthony1996 (talk) 14:29, 9 December 2010 (EST)

Alright, but also make sure to respond to comments on your talk page there, not on the other user's talk page. It's ideal to keep the conversation in one place instead of spreading it out over multiple pages. Omega Tyrant 14:57, 9 December 2010 (EST)

Unbanned me from IRC

You really need to get over your anger over me thinking that Tiers are unexistant. I wasn't arguing over them I was just making a statement about the smash arena and you guys took it as an offense to your stupid outdated list of the original smash bros. game. Doc King (talk) 14:00, 12 December 2010 (EST)

For those who weren't there. And are you going to remain oblivious? He said he was tired of you and you assume it's over the tier list. Bothering him won't do anything but make the situation worse.--MegaTron1XD 14:04, 12 December 2010 (EST)

You guys acted like I said that the arena is based on the Tier list when I really just said that Pikachu is winning because of the list (which is true). And then you guys were getting at me on how its not Tier based when I already know that. And then you guys were forcing me to believe in the Tier list when I don't want to. Now that is just acting like a bunch of queer scrubs imo. Doc King (talk) 14:20, 12 December 2010 (EST)

And if OT was getting sick of me then why didn't he just ignore me or something. You don't have to get rid of me from talking to my friends. Doc King (talk) 14:21, 12 December 2010 (EST)

Pointless. You didn't get the reason why he blocked you. Stop.--MegaTron1XD 14:27, 12 December 2010 (EST)

I won't, no matter how annoyed you get, your gonna have to deal with it. How about you give me some reasons he blocked me instead of just saying he did it the end. Doc King (talk) 15:54, 12 December 2010 (EST)

Reason: Why bother, you'll just try to argue about it. You don't deal with me, I won't deal with you. I have chat recorded on how people do not like you. So yeah, I have to deal with it? Everyone has to. Better for the community who uses it.--MegaTron1XD 15:56, 12 December 2010 (EST)

I'm going to try to sum up what happened. Doc, you said that Pikachu was only winning in the SA because of his tier position. OT and Mega then countered it by how that isn't the only reason. After a while of that, Doc stated that "tiers are pointless". OT and Mega pointed out the hypocracy because Doc always makes up his own tier list. Doc responded with a completely irrelevent statement about how OT once said how Wolf should be higher. Because of his poor argument, hypocracy over tiers, and refusal to listen, OT got fed up with Doc and banned him from the IRC. Is this correct? Mr. Anon (talk) 16:51, 12 December 2010 (EST)

To Doc King: In order to be unbanned from the IRC, you have to do four things:

1. Stop talking about tiers all the time (preferably, forever). Bringing them up leads to arguments that 99% of the wiki doesn't want to have.
2. Don't be stupid. Things like "you guys just like tiers a lot" are incredibly stupid things to say in many ways (offtopic, unfounded, etc) and will do nothing to help you, ever.
3. Quit trying to get the last word. If you can't counter someone's statement then don't bring up something irrelevant and pointless. If you think that bringing up that tiers "dont matter on how to win" will help you in your "I think the tier list is influencing Smash Arena" argument then that's another problem.
4. Never use any phrase of the form "please unbanned me" again. If you do, I will take it as "I think punishment is a joke" and act accordingly. Toomai Glittershine 17:09, 12 December 2010 (EST)

@Anon: That's a decent summary, but the hypocrisy of Doc doesn't come from the fact that he makes tier lists on various things, but that he has, numerous times in the past, argued the positions of characters on the tier lists, and openly arguing how one character should be higher than the other (i.e. who can forget his rants on how Captain Falcon is superior to Peach, or how Mario should be considered a high tier character?). The fact that he has also went from arguing this stuff, to saying "TR4Q!", back to arguing tier positions again, to again complaining how tiers are evil is where the frustration from this comes from. I can't count how many times he has flipped his position on tiers and complain about something about them to everyone else.

@Doc: Listen to what Toomai says. Omega Tyrant 00:35, 13 December 2010 (EST)

Knockback scaling

Can you please explain to me what knockback scaling is? I know what base knockback is--the initial knockback. I do not understand knockback scaling, including low and high knockback scaling. Chimanruler15 (talk) 22:24, 22 December 2010 (EST)

First, you put ~~~~ after your comment, not before it.

Knockback scaling is a measure of how fast the knockback of a move increases with damage. In other words, it's how much stronger the attack gets as the target's damage goes up. If two moves have the same base knockback, then whichever one has the higher knockback scaling will be more powerful at higher damages. Toomai Glittershine 22:59, 22 December 2010 (EST)

The lowest possible knockback scaling is 0- that is, set knockback. Examples of attacks with very high knockback scaling include Ness' B-Throw. Mr. Anon (talk) 23:02, 22 December 2010 (EST)

To answer, knockback scaling is the amount the knockback increases with each percentage point (in post calculation data). As such, attacks with higher knockback scaling will get stronger faster, and if an attack has higher knockback scaling than another attack, the attack with higher knockback scaling will eventually exceed the other attack in the amount of knockback produced. Generally, attacks that are high knockback scaling based are more reliable finishers than those that are high base knockback based, as they are less affected by DI and momentum cancelling. As for examples of notable attacks with low base knockback, but high knockback scaling, there's the aforementioned b-throw of Ness, Samus' dair, Luigi's f-smash (more so in Brawl), and Captain Falcon's f-smash (more so in Melee). Ganondorf's dair is also notable, as even though it does have good base knockback, it has extremely high knockback scaling, which makes it so deadly on even grounded opponents at mid-high percentages. Omega Tyrant 23:13, 22 December 2010 (EST)

Oh, I get it! Thanks! So, knockback scaling is how much the knockback increases as the damage goes up. Ness's d-air has high base knockback, meaning that it deals high initial knockback, but it has low knockback scaling, too, meaning that it can not KO at early percentages because the knockback increases slightly. Thanks, everyone! Chimanruler15 (talk) 15:01, 23 December 2010 (EST)

Zero Suit Samus's Down Air

Doesn't it sends opponents diagonally downward instead of straight down? Chimanruler15 (talk) 14:58, 24 December 2010 (EST)

It has an angle of 275 (five degrees away from straight down). It's still a meteor smash either way, if that's what you're asking; meteor smashes don't have to be perfectly straight down. Toomai Glittershine 15:17, 24 December 2010 (EST)

Per Toomai. In Brawl, meteor smashes can send opponents on diagonal downward trajectories, which I note those that do on my meteor smash chart. Omega Tyrant 17:38, 24 December 2010 (EST)

Oh, ok. I get it. I was wondering why the move did that to opponents. Thanks, everyone. Chimanruler15 (talk) 23:03, 24 December 2010 (EST)

Help

I tried to move my Ip adress' talk page to an archive of my talk page, but I did it wrong and forgot the "User talk" part of the title when moving. Could you please undo that move and move it to the proper archive? Mr. Anon (talk) 22:24, 27 December 2010 (EST)

Done. Omega Tyrant 22:27, 27 December 2010 (EST)

Thanks! Mr. Anon (talk) 22:31, 27 December 2010 (EST)

You're welcomed. Omega Tyrant 22:37, 27 December 2010 (EST)

help

i am still a little confused with archiving--Lionheartfan122 (talk) 17:17, 2 January 2011 (EST)

What is it specifically with archiving you need help with? Omega Tyrant 17:24, 2 January 2011 (EST)

I am going to use it for a diffrent wiki--Lionheartfan122 (talk) 18:24, 2 January 2011 (EST)

Well, my question was what you needed help with for archiving and not what you were using it for. But I'll tell you how to archive in my words. First you make a page titled "User talk:Lionheartfan122/Archive X" (X being the archive number. Then you take the copy the text you're archiving from your talk page, and paste it in your archive. For the final step, remove the archived text from your talk page, and provide a link from your talk page to your archive. And that's all. Omega Tyrant 00:28, 3 January 2011 (EST)

Level * CPU

Levels 1-8 exist as well: Special:WhatLinksHere/Artificial_Intelligence - Reboot (talk) 17:58, 2 January 2011 (EST)

Then those will be deleted as well. Omega Tyrant 00:28, 3 January 2011 (EST)

I expected as much, but I thought I'd better point it out :) - Reboot (talk) 00:39, 3 January 2011 (EST)

Measuring Base Knockback and Knockback Scaling for all moves (including meteor smashes)

How do you measure Base Knockback and Knockback Scaling, especially for the meteor smashes in SSBM and SSBB? I saw that you made a chart on SSBB meteor smashes, and I also wanted to know how you made it, including all measurements. If it is not too much trouble, can you please answer my questions in this post? Chimanruler15 (talk) 00:35, 6 January 2011 (EST)

Um, I mentioned earlier how to measure them in Brawl, and I don't know how to do so in Melee. Melee's equivalent of maximum launch and launcher speed may be based on entirely different numbers. As besides the numbers there being of a much smaller scale (often being in the low hundreds), their accuracy was questionable as well, since a weak throw at low percentages often produced a higher number than a finisher did at high percentages.

Anyway, if you're still having trouble understanding base knockback and knockback scaling, just forget about them and try focusing on other areas of the Wiki to work on. The Wiki doesn't have an immediate need for them, and it would be more ideal for you to stay in your area of expertise. Omega Tyrant 06:26, 6 January 2011 (EST)

Category

What IF i found, for example a glitch, and then i want to put the glitch in the glitch's category. i have check the category:glitch page, and i press edit. but only a box saying [[Category:SSB Universe]] is there. how can i put a page in the category page?? Lucasthefourth tee4two 23:05, 8 January 2011 (EST)

To add an article to a category, you have to include the category link on the bottom of the article. Such as, inputting [[Category:Glitch]] at the bottom of the article with the other category links. Omega Tyrant 00:01, 9 January 2011 (EST)

Ok, thanks!Lucasthefourth tee4two 03:00, 9 January 2011 (EST)

Brawl minus

Can you give all details i could not get from you here. Sorry i had to leave to do something. Zeldasmash (talk) 17:34, 10 January 2011 (EST)

Just come on the IRC and I'll help you further there. Omega Tyrant 17:51, 10 January 2011 (EST)

That block of KirbytheAmazing

When I see the page that user made, I don't see someone who's trying to vandalise, I see someone who's a new user and doesn't yet understand how things work. Even then, a block of a week for a (minor) first offense is too strong. If you have some sort of other information, I'd like to hear it, but otherwise this looks like a pretty severe case of biting a newcomer. Toomai Glittershine The Bold 11:05, 12 January 2011 (EST)

I'm not sure if this was a legit new user. Considering the rash of spamming lately (from IPs and accounts), the popularity of "Hi, I'm a new user" among vandals, the style in which the page in question was written (using ALL CAPS at one part), and the fact the account was created at 4:50 and by the time I blocked at 10:13 (a span of five hours and a half), no other edit by this account was made. I suspect this to be a vandal account, and the reason I didn't permaban was because of the possibility my suspicions were wrong. Omega Tyrant 11:29, 12 January 2011 (EST)

I'm pretty sure none of the "hi there" vandals made accounts, and they had a different style of vandalising (talking in Russian and/or putting their spam on forums or unused talk pages) than this new user. Also, you can't use time to assume anything; 04:50 here is 09:50 or 10:50 in Europe and 18:50 in Japan. Toomai Glittershine The Golden 11:36, 12 January 2011 (EST)

The time of when the account was made in other time zones is irrelevant. It's the span between the time the account was made and the time when it was blocked, which is five and a half hours regardless of where you live, and this account made no other edits in that sizable amount of time. If this was a legit new user, surely they would have made an edit somewhere else on the Wiki. But no, they created a page that is highly suspicious looking of being from a vandal and edited nothing else. The style of these type of pages aren't always in a foreign language, and they have been put in the mainspace before. True, I can't recall a registered user doing this, but that in no way rules out a vandal from making an account to use the "I'm a new user" vandalism. Plus, can you actually recall a legit new user who actually created a new page in the mainspace or replaced the content of a mainspace article with "Hi, I'm a new user" before?

Also, when I look at the page, the user in question isn't simply announcing being a new user and perhaps asking for help. They are announcing they are new, and essentially screaming for attention. Will an unaware new user actually create an article they are unlikely to know is wrong and scream for attention while doing it? There's no evidence to show this is a legit new user and the circumstances around this lead me to believe it's a vandal account. Omega Tyrant 12:01, 12 January 2011 (EST)

Since I don't think this argument will ever be resolved without one of us having some sort of lobotomy, I'm going to drop it. However, I will end by saying I think the block goes against SW:AGF and SW:BLOCK, which is why I brought it up in the first place. Toomai Glittershine The Eggster 12:33, 12 January 2011 (EST)

Perhaps you may see me as not assuming good faith, but assuming good faith on a more convincing "I'm a new user" in the past didn't turn out well, and I see little to nothing to suggest this is an actual new user. My point is that there is so much pointing to this as a vandal rather than a new user, and these circumstances have a greater significance to me to judge than to blindly assume good faith because the user claims to be new. Omega Tyrant 12:42, 12 January 2011 (EST)

Umm, just to inform, this user is actually my friend, and lets just say he don't have much time opening internet. mostly, hw would just open this wiki just to vote in smash arena. Don't expect bad things from him, please Lucasthefourth PokeySparta 09:51, 24 January 2011 (EST)

Talk page

It's done OT, and can you unbanned me from the irc, i wont ping at you anymore, i promise. Doc King (talk) 21:04, 13 January 2011 (EST)

You'll have to wait your IRC ban out. Since it was just pinging, it won't be too long, but I'm not unbanning you prematurely. Omega Tyrant 21:14, 13 January 2011 (EST)