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Candidate, please summarize why you are running for adminship below.
It has recently come to my attention that SmashWiki is currently suffering from a lack of active administrators. The SmashWiki:Administrators page lists three uadmins as active, those being Toomai, PenguinofDeath, and Clarinet Hawk. Clarinet Hawk, I haven’t seen in months, so I would consider him to be verging on inactive also. PenguinofDeath had been the kind of admin who wouldn’t actively edit on his own accord, though should any vandalism or matter of importance on the wiki, you could instantly contact him on the IRC channel, but his presence on there has been somewhat minimal as of late, leaving Toomai essentially all on his lonesome.

If a Wiki only has one active admin, then you’ve got a little bit of a problem. Some may say there are other candidates over myself, for example, ReiDemon or Mousehunter321. However, the former has no interest in administrating, and the latter has had multiple hiatuses in a short space of time, so I would like to put myself above those in that respect. To clarify, these were only examples, and I am not shooting them down should they try to RfA themselves. One advantage I may have over the other candidates would be this, however: I live in GMT. I would not say this wiki has any other candidates that live in this timezone, so any other candidates would just live in the same timezone as Toomai, leaving the Wiki at risk when all admins are sleeping. By making me an admin, we can have an admin active at all times.

Now, as I’m sure you remember, yes, I did make a request for adminship before, and it failed. The main reasons for this failure were the following:

  • I don't see you enforcing the Wiki policies – Omega Tyrant – Since my failed RfA, I have been making an effort to enforce more policies. Granted, a lot of the time, this has been SW:SIGN and SW:TALK, though I have also guided people to fix their mistakes when they are breaking a rule without realising. I cannot link to any of these, as it will break the format of the RfA template.
  • The Wiki doesn't need a janitorial admin, which you seem to be running for. – Omega Tyrant – As of late, I have been seeing less and less janitorial work done on this Wiki, it’s been a long time since somebody’s run through the candidates for speedy deletion. As a sysop, I would help to do this, in addition to all other admin duties.
  • I question your need for administrative tools. – Mousehunter321 – At the time, perhaps it was less necessary, but now the Wiki is at a lack of admins, I may now have more of a need.
  • I have not seen you take part in a noteworthy amount of user disputes. – ReiDemon – This is the only issue from my previous RfA I am yet to amend, as this Wiki undergoes a very low amount of user disputes. However, I have had some experience in user disputes, particularly those involving Smash Master, and I do feel as if I am capable of mediating a user dispute, should one arise.

In addition to amending these reasons as to why my former RfA failed, I have only grown on this Wiki, earning rollback, and learning more about how the wiki works. I now have experience administrating which I did not have before, as I am now an administrator on Icaruspedia, F-Zero Wiki and Lylat Wiki, all on NIWA (and Game & Watch Wiki, if that’s considered respectable). I can always be contacted on IRC, and I have made many major edits to this wiki already (a full list of my major contributions can be found on my userpage), and I have reverted a sizeable amount of vandalism. Every time after which, I would have to wait for another admin to come along and block.

Other administrative tools would benefit me greatly, such as being able to edit protected pages including Super Smash Bros. 4, and suppressing redirects.

One final thing I would like to note of myself is that a lot of the newer users tend to come to me for advice, or a custom signature, sometimes in place of the existing admins. This shows that, as a member of the community, I am relied upon, and already viewed in high regard by these new users. These qualities would surely be better suited to an admin, no? And I believe that that admin could be myself.

If you still have other flaws regarding my potential adminship that you would like to bring my attention, please do so, and if I am still not seen as the right candidate to earn these rights, then I will understand, as long as you explain why below. Thank you for reading. Toast  ltimatum  17:55, 4 August 2012 (EDT)


Support

  1. We need more admins, and I trust you among the most of active users. Mr. Anon talk 17:56, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
  2. Strong Support. This is a critical time for the wiki. As I write this paragraph at the risk of repeating what has been said both above and elsewhere, this wiki now basically has only Toomai as an admin. We need another admin, everyone. And who better than ToastUltimatum? Some of the other candidates I want to run for admin, such as RD, have little to no interest in adminship. On the other hand, Toast has interest in adminship, not because he's power-hungry, but because he genuinely wants to help the wiki, which is more than can be said for many people that have submitted RfAs. Toast is known around the community as a very helpful user. He has adminship experience from many other wikis. When there is a new user, he is always welcoming and trusted by them. When a new user breaks a policy by accident, he explains the policy to them in a way where people listen- firm enough to get his point across, but not so firm as to scare the new user away. As we all know, he isn't the type of user that would abuse admin powers. Okay, so he hasn't handled many disputes, but that's a good thing-- this means that the wiki doesn't have that much user disputes, and if it did, I would be completely confident in his ability to handle them. Thank you, Toast, for all you've done for me, this wiki, and its users. I wish you the best of luck in this RfA. Air Conditioner File:Accoolx.png 18:15, 4 August 2012 (EDT) (I hope people don't find this paragraph too redundant, repetitive and redundant...)
  3. I gotta admit, the wiki only has 3 active admins, which I would consider rather low. I hope you do become an admin. Smash Master 18:18, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
  4. We need more admins before the SSB4 rush, and I trust ToastUltimatum with this powers. He is already an admin on many wikis, including three NIWA wikis. I completely support Toast. DarkFox01: Smashing in Summer 19:06, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
  5. I can't say anything that hasn't already been said with this support reason. I've only really seen Toomai editing lately, and this wiki is too big to only rely on one admin. JamesHeartless 19:35, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
  6. A good admin needs to know the policies (check) and enforce the policies (check). Toast is a respected user who does get asked questions by new users. Sure, this may be because he welcomes them. The point is that he helps them anyway. This is admin material. Toast is also a good editor and had rollback, two things that I think go in his favor. To me, Toast could be a good admin. And, we may not need new admins right now but will do in a few months time when more SSB4 news and rumors start to surface so better to get admins now than to recruit them closer to the time on short notice. Solar Dragon (Talk • Contribs.) 06:39, 5 August 2012 (EDT)
  7. If you know your way though the admin tools, help with user disputes, and help work with the janitorial work then you will be a great admin. Dots The PSI Asian   21:57, 5 August 2012 (EDT)

Oppose

  1. Oppose Point 1: Link to the things you said you did, not just say you did them. Point 2: The Wiki in its current state simply doesn't need much janitorial work. Point 3: The Wiki needing admins does not mean you need the tools. Point 4: Again link to where you did what you say you did, especially since I seen you being pretty lackluster in this area. Also, Mousehunter and Reidemon aren't the only users I would support adminship for over you. And your GMT advantage is negated, when vandalism on the Wiki is near nonexistent, and when I can be often up during the time you would be. For the new users often going to you first, this honestly means pretty much nothing on your standing, reliance, and rep in the community (especially when they're just coming to you for custom signatures that they're too lazy to make on their own). All it means is you're one of the first established users that new users come in contact with (as you often do that welcome thing, as well as advertise those signatures you make for people). When established users start coming to you for advice and stuff, then maybe it'll mean something worthwhile. Omega Tyrant   22:08, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
    Strong oppose After seeing Toast's relative failure in responding to my points of opposition, as well as his attempt to falsely enforce SW:NPA to discredit me rather than respond to my points, and his attempted censorship of my negative opinions of one's adminship abilities, I'm changing my oppose to a strong oppose. Omega Tyrant   08:15, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
  2. Status: Oppose A lack of admins you say? At this point, it's more like a lack of patience and an increase of paranoia within you. Do you truly believe that one admin can't handle the only threat that needs to be dealt with instantly, which are vandals? Do you really think that it is impossible to convince PoD to check on the Wiki? Janitorial admins are by far the most needless admins on this Wiki, especially without any vandal attack or proper reasoning to justify gaining adminship in order to deal with latter issues. The only thing users seeking a janitorial admin position have while requesting for adminship is an ability to stay on the Wiki for times slightly different than the community. Tell me, is it impossible to convince PoD to check the Wiki more often when he comes back from France? I highly doubt such a conversation is impossible. Janitorial admins do not necessarily have user dispute skills though, which is essential for admins to have. Are you telling me that the main provocation behind your sudden RfA is being able to handle a new user who is trying to insult other users out of boredom? I am afraid that you need much more than that to prove that you are something more than a janitorial admin on a Wiki with very little vandal attacks, especially if the new Super Smash Bros. is not to be released for a few years. When vandal attacks and the new Smash game is released, and the Wiki lacks enough admins to deal with those moments, feel free to RfA, but RfAs for janitorial positions are not meant to be done when nothing extremely negative has occurred on the Wiki. MegaTron1XD  00:51, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
  3. Very strong oppose Now I have to agree with oppose reasons. I read the comments on RFA and seeing what you said on the comments on RFA to OT, your arrogant, mean, and I don't want an admin to falsely accuse another user of policy violation and attempt to censorship of their negative opinions of user's abilities. If you gonna falsely accusing me of policy violation, then go right ahead and do it to my face. And you say lack of admins? It's more like having a lack of patience and trying to go aggressive by throwing this RFA to gain a sysop before the new Super Smash Bros is released. This wiki does not need a janitorial sysop. This may come off as harsher than I intended, but there you are. I am not changing to anything other than very strong oppose. You do not deserve adminship in my eyes. Luigi540 (talk) 11:54, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
    I mean this wiki does not need a janitorial sysop. And this may come off as harsher than I intended, but there you are. Luigi540 (talk) 12:06, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
  4. Oppose: Redefining my definition of janitorial work, I see that the wiki really isn't in urgent need of such chores. Looking at the other opposing arguments and the comments below, I don't have much to add, but I must say, the heated moments in the debate, especially the use of logical fallacies to defend your points in the comments section sheds doubt on your ability to enforce policies, as well as how you will fare in disputes to come. I mean this in no way a personal attack; you're still one of the friendliest users I know, but looking at everything here, your qualities that merit adminship are overshadowed by qualities that make your ability to lead questionable.--BrianDon't try me!  12:45, 6 August 2012 (EDT)

Neutral

  1. I would go either way. I am not aware about Toast's dispute handling. I may have a different opinion if I review the dispute on his talk page with Smash Master. LightningBlue  21:27, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
  2. Neutral: I agree with the support reasons, but I also agree with the oppose reasons.--Bandit 01:41, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
  3. Now in 2 sides. ShupaRoeh  12:05, 6 August 2012 (EDT)

Comments

Wow. So far no opposition. If this RfA passes, we'll have our first admin promotion in over 2 years.--Bandit 19:17, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

This isn't a simple case of a vote count though. Even one influential oppose is enough to decide the whole outcome. Toast  ltimatum  19:18, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
It does seem likely though. I'm just wondering if Omega Tyrant opposes with one huge post and this RfA drops or not.--Bandit 19:20, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
Read SW:YAV. If OT opposes, his opposition will only detract from the RFA if his reasoning is solid. If he gives a poor reason, Toast has nothing to worry about. If his reason is solid, though, the RFA will have serious problems. Mr. Anon talk 19:39, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
Some of the support votes are solid.--ShupaRoeh  20:33, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
Also AirCon, Toomai is a bureaucrat not an admin. LightningBlue  21:30, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
Technically I'm both. Toomai Glittershine   Da Bomb 21:32, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
He needs both to do Bureaucrat and Admin powers. Dots The PSI Asian   21:57, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

@OmegaTyrant: I was unable to link while initially writing this RfA for whatever reason, but I can do so now. Links to my vandalism reverts can be found in my RfR [1], or more recent ones can be found here and here. Examples of me enforcing policies can be found here (SW:SIGN), here (Only revert once) and here SW:TALK/Don't edit archives). User conflict mediation is the only department I lack, though I figured I'd RfA now, as user conflict isn't likely to come along again. If IRC is relevent though, I did sort out a dispute there just yesterday, when a user was being directly offensive towards other users. You say the wiki doesn't need much janitorial work, but the janitorial work is still there, and will only grow as time goes on. Also, janitorial work goes beyond just deleting pages and files, from looking at the log, this Wiki makes no effort with patrolling, which I would. You say you can be awake in GMT, but you aren't supposed to be active, are you? Toomai can only be awake for so long, I'll cover the hours for which he's asleep. I know Mousehunter and ReiDemon aren't your only candidates, I only wished to use two examples so I'm not directly striking out every last bit of competition. Vandalism does happen more than you claim it does, when Mr. Curious is considered. There was also an edit war recently which happened during your hiatus. And the new users consulting me goes beyond just custom signatures, it's general advice too, as can be seen here, here, and here. Toast  ltimatum  22:37, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

Vandalism reverts and rollback are pretty irrelevant to adminship, so linking them is pretty pointless. The policy enforcement links are aight, but are there more examples?
"User conflict mediation is the only department I lack, though I figured I'd RfA now, as user conflict isn't likely to come along again."
This is a Wiki, user conflict is always going to be prevalent.
"If IRC is relevent though, I did sort out a dispute there just yesterday, when a user was being directly offensive towards other users.
If you can provide a log, sure.
"You say the wiki doesn't need much janitorial work, but the janitorial work is still there, and will only grow as time goes on."
Doesn't mean we need new admins to clean it out.
"Also, janitorial work goes beyond just deleting pages and files, from looking at the log, this Wiki makes no effort with patrolling, which I would."
"Patrolling" is a useless Wiki function. Just because edits are labelled as "not patrolled" doesn't mean edits aren't looked over. I've looked over thousands and thousands of edits, and I didn't need a "patrol" button to do it.
"You say you can be awake in GMT, but you aren't supposed to be active, are you?"
If you want to go by that, PoD is active, and he's in your time zone, thus invalidating the perceived advantage.
"Vandalism does happen more than you claim it does, when Mr. Curious is considered."
Link me to 10 separate acts of vandalism that occurred in the past month that isn't Curious spam.
"There was also an edit war recently which happened during your hiatus."
A single edit war is not something to increase the need of more admins.
"And the new users consulting me goes beyond just custom signatures, it's general advice too, as can be seen here, here, and here."
You ignored this: All it means is you're one of the first established users that new users come in contact with (as you often do that welcome thing, as well as advertise those signatures you make for people).
New users aren't coming to you because of any outstanding reliability and rep you have on the Wiki, they're coming to you because you're one of the first users they've came in contact with. One of those cases you linked I can directly link the user coming to you because you left the welcome template on their talk page.
When it's established users coming to you for advice and such, then that can be used to support your reliability/rep. Omega Tyrant   01:08, 5 August 2012 (EDT)
OT is kinda right. There hasn't been very much spam or vandalism in the past month or two. But OT, is it extremely necessary for him to be "reliable". I understand he has no positive reliability from "established" users (please elaborate on that as I could be considered one, so can DarkFox or Mouse), but does that mean he could be unreliable if he recieved adminship. I do believe it is not urgent for you to be an admin Toast. If the activity (refering to Toomai's proposal) becomes very urgent, I would fully support.
Another thing SmashWiki is not related to the SmashWiki IRC Toast. You know that as well as I do. Managing this wiki is different from managing a IRC chat.
The activity on this wiki at this point is low. No real vandalism or issues (despite here which was resolved and I do credit you for in some extent) have occurred in the time I have been editing (about two weeks to a month). If there is no need for admins (as OT pointed out), then we can bump this to another time. However I am keeping my opinion as neutral. LightningBlue  02:51, 5 August 2012 (EDT)
I do not have a log of the dispute on IRC being resolved, only a print-screen of that user attacking a user (specifically, myself) in PM, and my responses. You can see that here, though I don't think that's quite what you would be looking for.
Janitor duties may not require an all-new admin to fix, but I haven't seen it be done in a long while, and giving me the option to do that would only be a bonus. Patrolling may be a bit redundant, but it still must look untidy having all those red !s, so having me clean those up would also be a bonus.
I'm sure PenguinofDeath checks the wiki on a daily basis, but he isn't on there for the whole duration of the time he's online. It used to be that we could instantly find him on IRC should there be a problem on the Wiki, but he's been there a lot less as of late (I know he's in France at the moment, but I'm talking about before then as well), and you have to jump through hoops to fetch him. i.e. Get Mega or ReiDemon (who both live in your timezone) to message him on Steam, at which point, I'll come along. It isn't healthy to have to go through so much to fetch an administrator, and I would be on IRC the whole time, and I always have a wiki open on a tab, this is SmashWiki most often.
10 pieces of vandalism is a lofty amount, and you know you set it that high just for another opportunity to shoot me down. I have to go offline now, but when I get back, I will search for some recent pieces. Toast  ltimatum  06:39, 5 August 2012 (EDT)
Well, Curious happens on a regular basis, and will require blocking every time, so it counts for something, besides that, there has in recent times been a SmashPeter attack, this piece in July, Brandondorf, which may be considered vandalism, and required a block either way due to him circumventing his existing block. Going back to 3rd June, there was this, and a large quantity of vandalous edits from the same user, these on 3rd June also (potentially the same user, but IP's are very different). So all that has happened, and I'm just covering a space of 2 months and 2 days. I wouldn't call vandalism "non-existant" here, especially seeing as I did not link one Curious piece of spam. Toast  ltimatum  12:03, 5 August 2012 (EDT)
"I do not have a log of the dispute on IRC being resolved, only a print-screen of that user attacking a user (specifically, myself) in PM, and my responses. You can see that here, though I don't think that's quite what you would be looking for."
That link does nothing to support any adminship for you.
"10 pieces of vandalism is a lofty amount, and you know you set it that high just for another opportunity to shoot me down."
If you're going to use the amount of vandalism to support the need of another admin, there should be at least one separate act of vandalism occurring every three days. Back on SmashWikia, we would get 10 separate acts of vandalism in a few days, and it only took a couple of active admins to deal with it. If there aren't even 10 vandalism acts in a single month, it's ridiculous to claim the amount of vandalism to support the need for another admin. Terrible response, this shows to me you do not understand what requires an admin.
"Well, Curious happens on a regular basis, and will require blocking every time, so it counts for something"
Curious is easily handled by existing adminship, and he's just a constant ban evader, not a true vandal.
"there has in recent times been a SmashPeter attack"
User evading ban, not a vandal, and was easily handled without causing a larger ruckus.
"this piece in July"
There's one, any more?
"Brandondorf"
Unintentional misinformation is not vandalism.
"Going back to 3rd June, there was this, and a large quantity of vandalous edits from the same user, these on 3rd June also (potentially the same user, but IP's are very different)"
So a repeat vandal attacked one day, and was quickly dealt with. Doesn't support the need for more adminship.
"So all that has happened, and I'm just covering a space of 2 months and 2 days."
Even if all your links were to count as separate acts of vandalism, that's five links, in twice the timespan I requested. That is nearly nothing, and the amount of vandalism here is nowhere near high enough to justify more admins.
"I wouldn't call vandalism "non-existant" here, especially seeing as I did not link one Curious piece of spam."
Outside Curious, a clearly deranged individual with mental problems, vandalism is pretty much nonexistant here. You shown me we had two legitimate separate vandalism attacks in the past two months. The Wiki is averaging a vandal attack a month, yet you're using that amount to support your adminship? That comes as delusional, or power hungry to me, both highly negative traits for a prospective admin. Omega Tyrant   00:28, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
Perhaps the vandalism is comparably low at this time, but I've gone with the same mind as Toomai did with his SmashWiki Status Sytem proposal. The inevitable SSB4 rush will happen, and with it will come vandals and a general need for authority. He made that proposal now rather than when it might need usage, because having a proposal like that in amongst all of the other work being done isn't good for the proposal's own sakes, and we'll be without it for the start of the time it may be needed. This wiki will want a healthy admin base in advance of the inevitable surge of users and information. So my thinking was this: "We're going to need admins for the SSB4 rush, and we're at a bit of a lack of them right now. I'm capable of being an admin, so I'll run for it now." This ties in with what Mega put in his oppose, saying that an RfA may be a more suitable thing for me to do around SSB4 time, but I do find it better to have the tools in advance. The aim was that I would do more than just janitorial duties should I get the promotion and be involved in discussions, and resolve user disputes should one arise, but apparently this wasn't emphasised enough. Toast  ltimatum  06:39, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
A SSB4 rush in a year or so and speculation on what the increased activity would bring does not justify promoting mediocre admins when better candidates exist. If we did that, our admin team would be full of Miles, which dilutes the quality of SmashWiki's moderation, and makes it more difficult for the better candidates to get adminship when they request ("oh sorry, I would support you, but we have enough admins"). Not to mention, we could very well have all those Miles, and then it turns out the activity was not what was speculated, which in turns leaves the admin team with a bunch of mediocre unnecessary admins, that we then can't get rid of (barring extraordinary circumstances). Omega Tyrant   07:16, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
This is off-topic, but is relevant to the wiki. You've been violating SW:NPA quite a bit over this past space of time, insulting PenguinofDeath and Emmett by putting "Even if I dislike the userbase, better I come back than let out of touch dinosaurs that don't do shit like PoD and Emmett be the admins that have to be relied on, and let the incapable gain adminship." as an edit summary, and calling Miles average in addition to this, which could also be considered derogatory. The main two parts of SW:NPA this violates are Comments should not be personalized and should be directed at content and actions rather than people. and Insulting or disparaging an editor is a personal attack regardless of the manner in which it is done. Toast  ltimatum  07:35, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
"This is off-topic, but is relevant to the wiki."
Don't bring it up here then, and respond to what is relevant.
"insulting PenguinofDeath and Emmett by putting "Even if I dislike the userbase, better I come back than let out of touch dinosaurs that don't do shit like PoD and Emmett be the admins that have to be relied on, and let the incapable gain adminship." as an edit summary"
So saying how old admins that are out of touch with the community that don't or barely help out shouldn't be relied on is a PA, yet Emmett constantly insulting users for saying things he doesn't agree with is perfectly fine? Learn the difference between an insult and being blunt, see that comment is indeed aim at their actions, and read up on that policy you're half assedly trying to enforce.
"calling Miles average in addition to this, which could also be considered derogatory."
So you're saying not having a positive opinion of one's adminship abilities is a personal attack? Fuck no, we're not having that censoring shit here. Reread that policy you're trying to enforce, learn that a positive opinion of everyone is not needed. And for trying to claim my opinion of one's ability is a personal attack, as well as evade the point I brought up in my last comment, I see you're no longer a mediocre candidate. You are a terrible candidate, and I'll ensure this RfA fails. No admin on this Wiki should be throwing SW:NPA at someone expressing a negative opinion of another user's abilities. Omega Tyrant   08:10, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
Calling PoD and Emmett "Out of touch dinosaurs that don't do shit" is certainly directed at those users themselves, and not their actions. Whether you would consider it a personal attack or not, the Comments should not be personalized and should be directed at content and actions rather than people. rule is in the SW:NPA page, so it was the appropriate page to link to. I did not type "You are issuing personal attacks", I typed "You are violating SW:NPA", which you are doing by outright breaking the rule about not directing comments at users in particular. And I can say one thing for sure, if I were PoD, I wouldn't take kindly to having those words thrown at me, so even if you now want to consider me a terrible admin candidate for it, that definitely needed bringing to attention. Toast  ltimatum  08:21, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
"Calling PoD and Emmett "Out of touch dinosaurs that don't do shit" is certainly directed at those users themselves, and not their actions."
"Out of touch" is an action of theirs. "Don't do shit" is an action of theirs. Was it kindly worded? No. But non kind words =/= attack.
"the "Comments should not be personalized and should be directed at content and actions rather than people." rule is in the SW:NPA page"
Those were indeed "actions", saying the users' names guilty of those actions is not a personal attack. Read the guidelines on what a personal attack is actually like.
"I did not type "You are issuing personal attacks", I typed "You are violating SW:NPA""
That's the same exact thing. "NPA" is "no personal attacks". You can only violate SW:NPA by personal attacks.
"which you are doing by outright breaking the rule about not directing comments at users in particular."
We're not "SuperHappySmashWiki", where you can't say anything that may be construed as negative about another user. It is not forbidden to direct comments at users, nor will it ever be. Learn what a personal attack is.
"And I can say one thing for sure, if I were PoD, I wouldn't take kindly to having those words thrown at me"
If you were PoD and got offended by those words, how about actually get in touch with the community and do shit if you're going to hold on to your admin position?
"so even if you now want to consider me a terrible admin candidate for it, that definitely needed bringing to attention."
No, it didn't. It was a red herring, and poisoning the well. Respond to the argument, don't go falsely accusing me of policy violation to discredit myself. Omega Tyrant   08:40, 6 August 2012 (EDT)

Just a note: I'd say parts of this wiki are in need of janitorial work. Look at how many articles are currently tagged for speedy deletion, for example. Mr. Anon talk 16:46, 5 August 2012 (EDT)

Specifically, all these, if anybody wants to check. Toast  ltimatum  16:49, 5 August 2012 (EDT)
Redirects and junk images don't require immediate janitorial work. Omega Tyrant   00:28, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
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