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Infobox Smasher/Archive 1
Character info
Melee main	Fox
Brawl mains	Fox, Falco

Discussion from Smasher

Moving Beta Over?

Anyone else agree Template:Smasherbeta is now good enough to be moved here? - Ashran111 (talk) 21:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

What are we supposed to put for "Skill"? Schweppes 21:47, January 10, 2007 (GMT)

Pro, amateur, beginner and so on. I'm not vey "smashy" so I don't really know what to put in a template like this. – Smiddle / talk 15:46, January 11, 2007 (GMT)

Skill level?

As well as main, I believe secondary, or alternate, should be in there as well. Also, I disagree with using a "skill" rating/ranking. Certainly there should be panel rankings, but not a skill level. It's so easy to tamper with and "blow up" one's skill. Oddeven2002 01:30, January 11, 2007 (GMT)

I see now that second and third mains are in there already, just not on the template example, my bad. Oddeven2002 02:22, January 11, 2007 (GMT)

And when can we get to applying these to player pages? Oddeven2002 01:39, January 11, 2007 (GMT)

If I can't possibly be more annoying as it is, I have a problem with the "skill" ranking idea. There isn't a standardization on skill level, so we can't compare it to anything. I completely disagree with it as it stands now. We shouldn't apply these JUST yet, not untill we can all agree on "skill" level. Oddeven2002 13:04, January 11, 2007 (GMT)

Stop! Stop applying these untill we have a standard code and level! What does everyone have to compare to? We can NOT start applying these untill we have something decided on. How easy would it would it be for someone who was unskilled to label themselves as highly skilled?

If there is any way to make "skill" optional, that would be best for now. --MaskedMarth 04:14, January 14, 2007 (GMT)

Yeah, just omit it for a while, at least until we can figure out what to do with it.--Respawn 04:55, January 14, 2007 (GMT)

Untill something that really allows smashers to play together without prior meditation, such as playing online, if that ever happens, we can't really refine nor define skill sharp enough to make a scale or rating system of anysort. I appologise if I sounded a little bit upset up there when I requested to stop. It could have gotten out of hand VERY quickly if it didn't stop soon. My final point is: Leave the skill level alone, perhaps even the entire template, untill we can really nail something solid down. Oddeven2002 04:59, January 14, 2007 (GMT)

How about the CPU level the player can comfortably beat. This provides a 1-9 scale. ScoreCounter (talk) 14:55, 30 August 2012 (EDT)

Any competitive player that has some sort of worth will be able to beat any cpu of any level. Hell, even casuals can beat up level nines with no problem. Omega Tyrant

15:01, 30 August 2012 (EDT)

Plus, one's skill level is relative to how they perform against other players. How you do against cpus is irrelevant. Omega Tyrant

15:02, 30 August 2012 (EDT)

Designs/Future designs

I think it should have a border. It fits in a bit messy as it is, and I think a border would help define it and make it stand out better. And maybe a different color for the headline too, but I don't know what color would be better. Bean 07:29, January 11, 2007 (GMT)

I agree. For the border, a standard gray border like the one for the characters would fit nicely, 1-2px. For the headline color, I think a dark blue would work, something around #1874cd. Or perhaps just black. But I'm just speaking my opinion.--Respawn 14:50, January 11, 2007 (GMT)

Take any colour, I phail at colouring templates. – Smiddle / talk 15:46, January 11, 2007 (GMT)

I changed it to #1b3f8b, I think it fits the SmashWiki color scheme. Looking back at #1874cd, it was too light. I also added a 1px border, I think that it works well. If not, you can just change it.--Respawn 13:51, January 12, 2007 (GMT)

A line for the Smasher's photo would be helpful too. --MaskedMarth 00:33, January 14, 2007 (GMT)

There is a line for the photo, it can be used in stead of banner. – Smiddle / talk 09:31, January 14, 2007 (GMT)

Why were several categories removed? They do no harm, and players can include more information about themselves if they'd like. I see no reason why they were deleting. -- Bean 03:12, January 14, 2007 (GMT)

Because they weren't smash related, and can be put in the rest of the page. Should we put 'em back? – Smiddle / talk 09:32, January 14, 2007 (GMT)

"Age" is one that we should have for sure. -- Randall00 17:26, February 7, 2007 (GMT)

I don't see a reason for that. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 17:49, February 7, 2007 (GMT)

Well, these are all pseudo-biographies of Smashers. Obviously it wouldn't be a mandatory field, but it's the kind of information that people will want to know. Suppressing desire for knowledge is very anti-encyclopedic in general. Even if there wasn't a good reason, I'd be questioning why not beforehand. -- Randall00 17:54, February 7, 2007 (GMT)

We cannot do major changes to this since it is used widely, and it would be too much to change. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 20:25, February 8, 2007 (GMT)

I can. :^) Of course, I would prefer to be doing it with community approval rather than discouragement, but I suppose you can't win them all. -- Randall00 17:52, February 12, 2007 (GMT)

Old stuff

I think it would be better to discuss the smasher template rather than creating new ones. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 19:00, February 7, 2007 (GMT)

This is why nothing's getting done on SmashWiki--everyone's so hung up on discussing things before implementing them that nothing is getting done. Everyone's been "discussing" ideas for policies and standardization across the whole wiki for a long time now. I've decided to skip the bureaucracy and take action for a change. --Randall00 17:56, February 8, 2007 (GMT)

In an infobox there should only be facts related to the subject as a smasher. Age, nationality, and other stuff doesn't quite define that. Also, I think that not all the info should be in a box, some can be in the article. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 20:18, February 8, 2007 (GMT)

I'm not sure how that became the standard criteria. This is the Community section of SmashWiki after all. The demographics of the community and geographical locations of the various hubs that keep it alive are both pieces of information that people will want to know (and need to know if they want to participate as well). As with most stylistic elements of articles, the info can be presented both in the infobox and then, in greater detail, in the body of the article itself without too much community dissent. -- Randall00 17:50, February 12, 2007 (GMT)

PNG > GIF

I think we should have PNGs rather than GIFs because PNGs hav ethe possibility to carry more colours, and it's a lot easier to convert GIFs/JPGs to PNGs than converting PNGs/JPGs to GIFs for people without the correct software. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 18:26, February 12, 2007 (GMT)

You're referring to the flags? Hmm, it might be a good idea, I just figured that GIFs were fairly standardized across the board now and for such a small incidental graphic, I just picked the first flags I could find regardless of format or colour compatibility. I'll do a bit of hunting for flags in PNG format and maybe come up with the initiative to convert the existing ones, et al. :^) -- Randall00 20:53, February 12, 2007 (GMT)

There are a lot of flag PNGs at Wikipedia – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 15:53, February 13, 2007 (GMT)

Appearance

I don't know how it appears on other browsers, but on Firefox at least, the background on which the name appears has very little contrast with the font color itself. I have a lot of trouble reading Jeff "Sgt. Saturn" without highlighting the text. I'm not sure where to change the colors to fix this problem. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 18:11, February 15, 2007 (GMT)

The font color works just fine in IE, but remains dark in Firefox. I'll reverse the bg and the font colors (if I can find which ones work). – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 18:13, February 15, 2007 (GMT)

That is bizarre. I noticed that when I got home from work and opened up FireFox to find the colours a little wonky. hrmm...I guess I'll toy with that at home. --Randall00 18:50, February 15, 2007 (GMT)

Text recolouring doesn't seem to work well in FireFox. My sig, for example, is ugly in MFF but looks great in IE. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 15:31, February 16, 2007 (GMT)

A small problem

Is there any way that a second alias box could be created which would add another box to the template, in addition to the one that would add them to the title? -- Bean 00:18, February 19, 2007 (GMT)

I'm not quite sure what you mean. You mean moving the alias field into a new box or copying it into a new box? -- Randall00 15:15, February 22, 2007 (GMT)

Suggestion

Might I suggest a Past Crews box? Many notable players and others who have been in the community a long time have been in several crews. This would help people get a glimpse of someone's crew history. -- Bean 01:15, February 27, 2007 (GMT)

Consider this a bump ^_^. I would really like to see this implemented. Also, what is the general trend on editing templates which aren't your own? -- Bean 22:10, April 4, 2007 (GMT)

Naturally, if I couldn't take my editing (or my templates) being edited mercilessly, I wouldn't submit them here. :^) Please, by all means make that improvement if you like. I don't think it's not a good idea, I just don't have the time these days. -- Randall00 ^Talk 03:39, April 5, 2007 (GMT)

Ah ok. I'll probably get around to it tomorrow, provided I remember. ^_^ -- Bean 05:51, April 5, 2007 (GMT)

Characters

Could you unlink the main characters? They often link to disambig pages (like Captain Falcon instead of Captain Falcon (SSBM)) and it's troublesome to say "miscellaneous" or "every other character" (in Azen Zagenite's case). – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 14:44, March 2, 2007 (GMT)

Why not just leave the field blank? – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 14:12, April 5, 2007 (GMT)

Former crews

Why can't this just go into the 'crews' field? – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 22:00, April 5, 2007 (GMT)

It can, and I don't really see a problem with it. That's why it says "crew(s)". -- Randall00 ^Talk 00:13, April 6, 2007 (GMT)

This things cool

Just wanted to give you props for making this. It's really nice how it makes all the pages look neat and professional. -ToXn- 17:02, May 6, 2007 (GMT)

Haha, it's not much, but you're right, I think the flag really sells it. :^) -- Randall00 ^Talk 17:06, May 6, 2007 (GMT)

Unordered Lists...not working?

When I first built this template, I did a bunch of tests and came up with a bunch of results. Typically an asterisk (*) will produce an unordered list in the marked-up final product. Previously, I had it set up so that smashers that were in multiple crews would be able to place an asterisk before the crew name and have each crew listed with its own bullet vertically down the table. Now it doesn't work anymore....does anybody know why? Or was I dreaming when I did my initial tests? I'm pretty sure I even HAVE an article that I wrote in this database somewhere that has two crews displayed in that way, but I couldn't find it just speed-reading the contributions page. -- Randall00 ^Talk 17:41, June 18, 2007 (EDT)

3rd Main

I've been trying to add a third man, but template 3rdmain doesn't work. Is there a way to get it to work=??? [Johnknight1] 11:33 7 October (PCT)

Now supports Brawl chars

With the parameters of

mainssbb, 2ndmainssbb, otherssbb, 2ndotherssbb.

Also removed the "third other" from the template. I saw little use for people to be able to add 5 characters (might as well add them all, 10 with brawl included).

Sample code: {{Infobox Smasher|mainssbb=Fox|mainssbm=Fox}} shows the box to the right.

I don't really want to add documentation on this atm, so if someone could see to that? --Sky (t | c | w) 00:33, February 20, 2008 (EST)

Tempting, though there is some more advanced coding in the works to help curb this issue. --RJM ^Talk 23:37, February 20, 2008 (EST)

The issue of using template:if? If so, I'm the one that poked KK about it. :P --Sky (t | c | w) 23:41, February 20, 2008 (EST)

I don't think so, no, but it will feed off of multiple templates and I wouldn't rule that one out. --RJM ^Talk 23:49, February 20, 2008 (EST)

Well, that was ambiguous. Send me a PM about it or something. :) --Sky (t | c | w) 00:25, February 21, 2008 (EST)

Huh. Obviously the skin was changed, but how did this specific template change colors? :o --Sky (t | c | w) 03:04, February 21, 2008 (EST)

The wiki pulls style elements from the back end CSS code that can occasionally "out-prioritize" those found in user-submitted modifications when using certain browsers. While I'm at work, Internet Explorer has surprisingly inconsistent colour schemes, but I have never had a problem with Firefox at home. --RJM ^Talk 16:18, February 21, 2008 (EST)

Once again, I understand. Template:If does have strange behaviour when comparing IE vs FF. I'll peak into the code of this template, see if I can fix coloring issues. --Sky (t | c | w) 18:16, February 23, 2008 (EST)

Proposed removal of Brawl code

Due to SW:UTPG and SW:NOT, I think it would be beneficial to remove the brawl code section, because less people will approach with "Hey wanna brawl? I already have you in."Smoreking^(T)_(c) 00:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Why is this fully protected?

I was about to put in some new code as discussed on my talk page before discovering that the page is fully protected. The protection reason is given as "saving the job queue". What's that mean? Toomai Glittershine eXemplary Logic 21:10, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Got me. Lowering to semi-protected. Miles (talk) 21:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

O_o

This template as well as the cleanup one (and presumably others) are not displaying properly. Anyone know what caused this and/or how to fix it? Miles (talk) 22:09, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not seeing whatever you're seeing. Toomai Glittershine

The Stats Guy 23:07, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Wikia must've fixed it already. Nvm then. Miles (talk) 23:17, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Deceased smashers

How do we display the age of deceased smashers (KishCubed, for example)? Showing how old they would be if they were alive seems quite unreasonable. ^Smiddle君怒る ? 13:01, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

Thats what I was wondering too. Blin dcol ours ZoOm! 13:08, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

Well, currently this template uses {{DoB}} to determine an age, so this template would have to give DoB a deathdate. DoB is not currently configured for this, though the calculation template that it uses ({{Age}}) does. The main problem is that if we don't know the exact birthdate and exact deathdate (as is the case for KishCubed), it would have to be done manually, which means adding a new row to this template that allows a manual age without declaring the article deprecated. Toomai Glittershine

The Steppin' 13:41, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

Just use the old birthdate parameter... :/ Penguin of Death 07:29, 3 November 2011 (EDT)

N64

The N64 was a console, not a video game. We don't call Melee "GCN", or Brawl "Wii", cos that would be dumb. Nor do we call them "SSBM GCN" or "SSBB Wii", cos that too would be dumb. Instead, we call them SSBM/Melee and SSBB/Brawl. Why can't we just call SSB "SSB"? Penguin of Death 07:29, 3 November 2011 (EDT)

I think SSB64 should be the name used, though I agree with N64 being nonsensical. Omega Tyrant

12:28, 3 November 2011 (EDT)

Why SSB64? Why not just SSB? We call the series Smash, so there's no confusion, and all the character article titles are in the format "Character (SSB)", so it's just inconsistent to call it anything other than SSB elsewhere... Penguin of Death 13:03, 3 November 2011 (EDT)

~~SSB64 is certainly a common name, so it is fine to include it. Mr. Anontalk 20:28, 3 November 2011 (EDT)~~

Whoops, I misread your post, not seeing that you were only talking about context of Smasherbeta. Yeah, SSB should be fine. Mr. Anon

talk 20:33, 3 November 2011 (EDT)

Consider how the smasher namespace has a bit more of a SmashBoards vocabulary though; using 64 in the name of the game is basically ubiquitous over there. Not agreeing either way just pointing something out. Toomai Glittershine

The Keymaster 21:14, 3 November 2011 (EDT)

Captions

Would it be possible to add captions to this? I gave an example using infobox. But then we couldn't use this. Nocturnal Dragon (talk) 22:13, 15 August 2012 (EDT)

Standardization of inputs

I think we need to smack this with the deprecation hammer again:

main, 2ndmain, other, and 2ndother need to have ssbm stuck on the end.
doublesmain should be doublesmainssbb; doublesmainssb and doublesmainssbm need to be added.

That's the bare minimum as I can see, but is there anything else that we can use this as an opportunity to change? Toomai Glittershine The Pan-Galactic 14:44, 14 September 2012 (EDT)

Bumping this. Toomai Glittershine

The Ghostbuster 09:09, 17 September 2012 (EDT)

I'd suggest adding the caption feature as suggested by Nocturnal Dragon in the talk post above this one. --- Rei Demon, Author Extraordinaire, 11:05, 17 September 2012 (EDT)

All of the above suggestions by Toom and Rei have my support. Miles (talk) 18:09, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

I totally agree with you guys. Dots The Safari

18:15, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

There are two things I think should be added:

A slot for a player's ELO rating. ELO ratings for Melee players can be found on SSBPD, and Brawl players can be found on this thread. For Brawl, a separate ranking for MK legal and banned will be needed.
A slot for the total amount of money a player has won from verifiable tournaments. While we realistically cannot provide an accurate amount in the smasher space's current condition, once we manage to get full results on a player, we can put on a good estimation. If this idea is implemented, perhaps we should have a slot for each Smash game? (For those that play multiple Smash games competitively).

These things will compliment the "skill" listing, and help readers get a quick idea of how successful the player is in competitive play. Omega Tyrant 19:30, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

I agree with OT. Bandit 23:25, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

As do I. DarkFox01, E T C. 12:10, 29 September 2012 (EDT)

Is There anyone who could add these suggestions?Nocturnal Dragon (talk) 23:12, 29 September 2012 (EDT)

I'm waiting to see if there are any other ideas or objections so they can all get done at once. Toomai Glittershine

The Celeritous 23:14, 29 September 2012 (EDT)

Okay, well if no one else comes up with anything in a short time, the requested additions will be made alongside the original deprecations. Toomai Glittershine The Incomperable 21:23, 2 October 2012 (EDT)

Gender

We need a gender section to represent each user/smasher as a male/female. Should we start a vote on this? The Awesome 15:55, 20 September 2012 (EDT)

No we don't, it's not important nor interesting at all, and will be obvious from either the infobox picture, the name, and/or the pronouns used within the article. Omega Tyrant

16:05, 20 September 2012 (EDT)

Let's do some voting! The Awesome 16:44, 25 September 2012 (EDT)

Many things do not need explicit voting, this is one of them. Toomai Glittershine

The Hammer 17:07, 25 September 2012 (EDT)

I think everyone can tell if a smasher is male or female so no need. Dots The Safari 09:34, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

Stop making useless posts that just repeat what someone else already said in a more vague and less explicative manner. Omega Tyrant

09:40, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

Sorry. Dots The Safari

10:01, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

I don't think this was entirely useless, The Awesome was encouraging responses, so Dots provided. Other users may not have felt voting was necessary, but The Awesome wanted it, and got one. Toast

ltimatum

13:12, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

Awesome saying "we should have a vote" does not mean you should post something when you have nothing to say, and it is useless when your statement just reiterates what someone else already said in a more vague and less explicative manner (something Dots has been warned many times to stop doing). Omega Tyrant

19:02, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

Not to mention that, like, 95% of the Smashers who have articles on this Wiki are male. The female ones get a category to themselves. Rick Tommy 10:16, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

Low tier main

Should a parameter showing people's low tier mains be added? Scr7(talk · contribs) 11:50, 8 September 2013 (EDT)

I don't think it's necessary, as few players have a bonafide "low tier main", and low tier tournaments aren't common enough for players' low tier mains to be prominent. Omega Tyrant

11:56, 8 September 2013 (EDT)