SmashWiki:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive 3

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This guy, going around removing the matchup table from all character pages. Toomai Glittershine eXemplary Logic 14:59, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Despite the fact that they're a repeat offender, and their latest offense was rather severe, I don't think there's any need to block them as they stopped a while ago, and of their own accord. Penguin of Death 18:14, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

24.189.244.68 (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log · WHOIS) 98.117.158.220 03:27, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure that's not the actual Smasher? Shadowcrest 05:33, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

189.156.196.249 (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log · WHOIS)--Dyna (talk) 22:11, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism is over a week old, applying a block now would be useless at best. Shadowcrest 04:11, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

71.253.234.206 (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log · WHOIS) Havoc Reaper 48 00:09, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Already blocked. Shadowcrest 01:05, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

71.136.61.212 (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log · WHOIS) R A N1 01:51, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

They stopped, so there's no need to block. Penguin of Death 18:52, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Koopas

I think that merging all Koopa-related pages together would be a good idea (which isn't too surprising, it being my idea). Describe everything in terms of Green Koopas, then explain the differences between the Green and Red versions for each form. Have one section on each of the forms of Koopa-kind: Shell; Koopa Troopa; Koopa Paratroopa. Describe how jumping on / attacking a Koopa Paratroopa turns it into a Koopa Troopa, how jumping on / attacking a Koopa Troopa turns it into a Shell for a period of time, and how these shells cannot take damage, but can be thrown to do damage, and can be destroyed by throwing them off the screen. Have two pictures of each of the forms, one of each colour, and a picture of each of the relevant trophies. Currently there are at least eight pages on Koopa-kind - there need only be one or two.
I'm not sure if the Green Shell (Item) and Red Shell (Item) pages could be incorporated into the one page, as there is quite a lot to say about them (e.g. damage lists) but even if they couldn't be part of the main Koopa page, they could be made into one Shell (Item) page, removing all references to the shells found in the Subspace Emissary in Brawl. The following are the Koopa pages that would be affected by the move:

Green Koopa Troopa
Red Koopa Troopa
Green Shell
Red Shell
Koopa Paratroopa
Red Koopa Paratroopa
Green shell glitch (which doesn't even have an appropriate name)
Red Shell Glitch (which is the same glitch as the above)

Penguin of Death 11:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Aside from keeping the items Green Shell and Red Shell separate, I concur. Miles (talk) 20:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Would you put everything Koopa-related all on the one page? Wouldn't that make it horribly long? Also, if the above Koopa plan is viable, I think a similar thing should be done about the members of the R.O.B. Squad, just because having a page for each member leaves the pages very short, but with a lot of repetition between them. In other news, is my signature okay? I seem to be the only person to have used the <big> coding...

Penguin of Death 21:38, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

A long article isn't bad by default; rather, a complete one is desirable. On second thought, though, Koopa Troopas (both colors) should be one page and Koopa Paratroopas should be another.

And for sig rules, read on. Miles (talk) 21:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Damn... I knew there was a reason why that code was never used. About the Koopa Paratroopas, is there really enough to say about them to justify their own page? And is there so little to say about Shells as items that their own page is not justified? I'd have thought that the Koopa Paratroopas were the least important of all Koopa-kind (I'm determined to make that a real phrase). I don't mind. So long as some sort of cleanup occurs, I'll be happy. Just point me (or whoever you want to do it) in the right direction, and I'll write the relevant pages. Penguin of Death 22:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

R.O.B. Squad

After the above discussion with Miles, I reworked all R.O.B. enemy pages into one R.O.B. Squad page. What do you think?
I haven't moved the original pages, and it's all one edit, so just undo it if you don't think it's appropriate. Penguin of Death 11:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd use that article to describe the R.O.B. Squad as a whole, and do a quick summary of each kind of R.O.B. enemy. However, I'd keep the other three articles separate from this one. Miles (talk) 12:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Image removal

It seems that multiple users, including Sonic64 and various IPs, cannot save the Palette swap (SSBB) page without all the images getting deleted. What the heck is going on? Toomai Glittershine eXemplary Logic cntrbs 22:22, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Correction: it seems that some users cannot edit any pages without the images being removed somehow. The problem seems to be unique to new users. Toomai Glittershine

eXemplary Logic cntrbs 22:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I tried editing a page with a new account and without being logged it, but I couldn't reproduce it. --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 23:42, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

The answer is the new rich text editor (RTE) which I'm sure most older users disabled. It causes problems like:

Removing page content (images in particular).
Breaking tables.
Breaks formatting by eliminating linebreaks near <br> tags.

(for a more complete list see here)

Do we want to disable this RTE for all editors? --Shadowcrest 17:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Auto Disable it, and if people want it enough, they can turn it on for themselves. New users won't be able to understand most likely.Smoreking^(T)_(c) 17:50, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

It might be a good idea to make an announcement. Something like "It has been discovered that Wikia's new Rich Text Editor causes problems such as image removal. Please disable it in your preferences." Toomai Glittershine

eXemplary Logic cntrbs 18:40, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

We can auto-disable it for all users on the wiki, who can re-enable it in their preferences if they wish. Imo that's a much easier solution that putting it in sitenotice, which most people ignore anyway. Shadowcrest 18:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Shadowcrest. Miles (talk) 18:56, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

IP users (the ones who seem the worst affected) couldn't change it in their preferences, as they don't have an account, and even if they could, it would be unfair to rely on them to change their preferences themselves, so putting out a notice wouldn't work. Auto-disabling the Rich Text Editor is the only option. Penguin of Death 19:57, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

What Penguin said. --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 20:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

→ copied from User talk:Clarinet Hawk:

Wikia response:
We cant do that. Its either on at the wiki, or its off. The setting to use it is on a per user setting in their global settings, we cant make it "default off" at a wiki. So if the extension is enabled at a wiki, all the people who opt to use it can, and it is turned on in the settings of all new users (something we cant adjust per wiki, since accounts are global, they dont actually get created at any 1 wiki).

So basically, we can't auto-disable it. I don't know what else we could do, aside from preventing IPs from editing and making new users disable the RTE themselves, but that seems rather extreme. :/ PenguinofDeath 17:59, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the best we can do is to somehow alert users of the problem, and just damage control the IP edits until the RTE is fixed. I know that announcements are ignored by some, but I don't see what else can be done. Toomai Glittershine The Stats Guy cntrbs 19:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

(end of copied posts)

According to w:c:guildwars:User:M.mendel, the RTE will probably never be bug-free. He thinks that unless wikia scraps the current one and designs an entirely new one, there will always be problems with it, such as image removal or messed up tables. (See here for a written declaration; he also told me on IRC "I think it will never be completely bug-free when it deals with wikicode".) Seeing that auto-disable is not an option, should we consider disabling the RTE on the wiki? (Also keep in mind that we can add it later if they do get around to fixing it.) I don't know about you all, but running damage control for forever seems like a waste of time to me. --Shadowcrest 02:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Endless damage control is boring, so either disable it, or block IPs from editing (if possible). The latter would save us a lot of trouble in other areas, but would greatly reduce the number of good faith edits as well. I'm not sure - one of the two. Penguin of Death 04:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm with Shadowcrest on getting rid of it for the whole wiki, at least til it's less glitchy. Miles (talk) 19:43, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm also in favor of disabling the RTE. The limited benefits of having the RTE enabled are far outweighed by the hassle it creates. – Defiant Elements +talk 18:03, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Requesting article deletion

I'd like to request that the article written about me in the smashers section be removed. I do not want my personal information open to the internet. This is the page: Smasher:Levi. I am removing all personal information regarding myself until the entire article is deleted. Also I am removing my brother's name from his page to maintain his anonymity. The article on him: Smasher:Neat. Mariownage (talk) 08:21, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

If you think an article should be deleted, please tag it using {{delete|reason why it should be deleted}}. Penguin of Death 08:41, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

SSBM fighters' Overview/Gameplay/X in competitive play sections

So I was talking to Pikamander2 here, and he suggested taking my question here. My full reasoning can be found on his talk page, but in short, about 6 or so Melee fighters' have a short, messy section similar to attributes, though under a different name. I believe we (and by "we" I mean me) should replece those sections with an attribute section based off the pros and cons already there. Agreed? Enigmatic Mr. L 02:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

If it would improve the articles, do it. Penguin of Death 04:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Sock puppetry

A little after I left a message about my leave on my user and talk pages, an account named Forenzza radio was created and then proceeded to try and offend me on my talk page. I didn't egg him on, so he then left me a message on Zeldapedia (see here), where he admitted to creating the account to "stem any turmoil" that would have happened, under his normal account, I assume. He then told me he was imitating the users I had offended at SmashWiki and that I should tell an admin just so they could see how I had "belittled Smash Wiki to the lowest level possible". I just thought you might be interested in finding out the IP of the account to see what user it is that's operating a sock puppet and throwing around personal attacks. Thanks for the time.

--Baltro (talk) 20:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I dunno if this is relevant, but there's now a Forenzzza radio 2 account that was just made. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 00:12, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

You're right. In my opinion, that only worsens the offense. --Baltro (talk) 04:48, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Protection

~~Can someone protect this page please? It seems to be a vandal magnet. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 00:26, September 14, 2009 (UTC)~~

One vandalism does not a target make. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 22:18, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

It's been vandalized more than once. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 00:53, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

...you mean twice? Shadowcrest 19:12, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

There were some issues when it was being made, but that's about it. I thought there was more than that. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 22:27, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Also, Please protect this page as it is a vandal magnet. 98.117.158.220 03:09, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

You're about 3 weeks late, plus that IP that vandalized the page was the only person who vandalized it in over half a year. Unless there's more vandalizing of the page, I don't think the admins will protect it anytime soon. R A N1 03:19, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Are you looking at the wright page? That page was repeatedly vandalized by three vandals subsequently and it took me quite a while to fix it. Besides, let's see what the admins think. 98.117.158.220 06:03, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

As RAN said, the vandalism happened weeks ago and there hasn't been any recent vandalism- protection would achieve nothing at this point. Shadowcrest 06:13, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon

There are way too many Pokémon pages and I suggest some of them should be merged. I see a similar issue has come up before with Koopas. Tuth (talk) 15:38, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I think we're okay for Pokémon pages. The rule is that all trophies should have their own article, and that no character that only makes an appearance in the series as a sticker deserves its own article. As far as I know, all Pokémon pages stick to that rule, so they're all fine. The problem with the Koopa pages is that they're not very well organised or standardised. Penguin of Death 16:18, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Serious Smasher Page problems...

Hmm... this page has been the subject of small edit vandalism. Shadowcrest already protected it, but it is in total disarray. I don't think this guy or or this one were fooling around at all... A bit of help, please? RAN1 domchu punch!!! 02:36, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Reverted vandalism, extended protection, warned Dan00b (not X.x.x as all they were doing was changing his location). Penguin of Death 09:42, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Policy

I think we should improve our language policy. Originally it was fine as we swore minorly every now and then but there's people like 13375poolr who say the f word freely. This wiki is supposed to be appropriate for all ages. In fact, I myself am only 12. 98.117.158.220 01:18, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

There's a whole bunch of reasons why we shouldn't. Among them is that freedom of expression is something we value here on Smashwiki. Another reason is that what use is it to 'control' people's words? If I have to say 'flip' instead of fuck, what are you changing? You're changing a sequence of sounds that's completely arbitrary to the meaning. If it's the negative emotion that you are trying to keep away from yourself, then you're extremely naïve. If it's the combination of the sounds that make up the word fuck that you're afraid of, you're a retard. I'm going to assume you're not a retard, and it's the negative expression that you don't like. 1) Grow up. 2) Changing the word doesn't change the capacity to express negative emotions. 3) If we all start saying 'flip' and 'crap' and 's word' and 'witch' instead of what they really mean then we sound like a bunch of tools and immature 8 year olds who have sensitive ears. We're not changing the language policy. Semicolon (talk) 17:21, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

I would hasten to add that Semicolon is not encouraging users to start swearing more - swear words are almost always used to convey the fact that one is angry or upset, feelings which can be much better articulated without the use of swear words, as needless swearing can only aggravate the situation, which could end up getting out of hand. We don't need a "language" policy - users just need to be more mature in their dealings with others. Penguin of Death 17:48, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

hey guys, welcome to the internet Shadowcrest 19:58, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

OK, you win. By the way, welcome back, Semicolon. 98.117.158.220 05:24, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

What is this??

http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Gargomon251/Archive_2#Removing_content_from_your_talk_page

Why don't I get any say over people harassing me on my Talk Page? - Gargomon251 (talk) 02:01, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

It's a policy. I don't see why you're gettings so worked up about this. 98.117.158.220 02:41, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

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