Forum:Console Articles

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Are they really necessary? Looks like a bunch of unneeded information on top of a chart that could otherwise be explained on character articles. Only three consoles hosted Super Smash Bros. games (N64 - SSB, GCN - SSBM, Wii - SSBB), and even they hold little relevant information other than the charts on their pages. Blue Ninjakoopa^(Talk) 23:22, 3 August 2011 (EDT)

I agree. Having articles about key games is one thing, but the console articles are just lists of characters that appeared. Honestly I think the Wii is the only necessary one, as all three games are available on it. Mr. Anon (talk) 23:25, 3 August 2011 (EDT)

Bump. Blue Ninjakoopa^(Talk) 15:14, 5 August 2011 (EDT)

Guys. Blue Ninjakoopa^(Talk) 21:13, 5 August 2011 (EDT)

^ Mr. Anon (talk) 21:44, 5 August 2011 (EDT)

There's really no need to be impatient enough to bump something after 6 hours.

As for my opinion, while I agree the possible information is limited, I find it hard to imagine a game-based wiki that lacks articles on the platforms its games are on. Despite the articles' rather limited usefulness, they're most likely expected by the public. Toomai Glittershine The Honcho 21:51, 5 August 2011 (EDT)

I'd like to think that waiting six hours is anything but impatient. :/ Your reasoning only justifies the GCN, N64, and Wii articles, but the others are still useless (information on them can be found on character and universe articles respectively). Sooooooo yeah. Blue Ninjakoopa^(Talk) 00:02, 6 August 2011 (EDT)

Like Toomai said, I agree in keeping the articles of consoles that had a Smash Bros. game. But for the other consoles, I do agree with BNK that they are rather useless for a Smash Bros. Wiki. Omega Tyrant 01:54, 6 August 2011 (EDT)

Per Omega Tyrant. --107.5.57.137 09:40, 6 August 2011 (EDT)

Looks like there's an agreement. Much thanks to all who agree with me. Blue Ninjakoopa^(Talk) 17:57, 7 August 2011 (EDT)

We currently have 4 people for, 0 against. Mr. Anon (talk) 18:06, 7 August 2011 (EDT)

Like Anon said, we have 4 people in support of deleting irrelevant articles like Game Boy, and in a year, nothing has been done. I'm tagging the unneeded articles for deletion. blue ninjakoopa 16:47, 20 December 2012 (EST)

So we're going to sacrifice completion of a logical set for a very strict cutoff of relevancy? And how is the NES (for example) not relevant if Brawl has a Masterpiece of one of its games? Toomai Glittershine The Sharp 18:11, 20 December 2012 (EST)

"Strict cutoff"? Everything should have relevance; otherwise we might as well redirect SmashWiki to Google or Wikipedia. The cutoff is very reasonable; what, pray tell, does the Game Boy have to do with any of the Super Smash Bros. games? A character came from there? OK, well in that case, let's make an article for the Sega Genesis; Sonic's first game was on that console. But why stop there? We'll need articles on the PC/MSX2 since Snake's first game launched on those consoles. Do you see how that works? We're not the Game Console Wiki. The NES is not notable even if it has ties to Brawl's Masterpieces because that's still a very, very small amount of information not worthy of a full article. This is the logic that brought about those worthless articles on games like Sonic Adventure 2. blue ninjakoopa 18:48, 20 December 2012 (EST)

I am okay with potential Genesis and MSX2 articles. I am not okay with having a Smash Bros. wiki that has articles for some Nintendo systems and not others. If you want these articles deleted I'm not going to do it. Toomai Glittershine The Different 19:04, 20 December 2012 (EST)

I'm not OK with that, because those articles wouldn't at all be relevant. I was using those examples to show how flawed this logic is. I would like to see the articles deleted but I'm not in charge, and I lack the tools necessary to delete them myself. blue ninjakoopa 19:07, 20 December 2012 (EST)

I'm ok with those articles since they would serve the same pupose as these articles. In fact I might encourage it because when someone reads what console a character originated from they might want to read an article like that. For aricles like NES instead af a reader having trouble find what characters came from NES they are all listed there which is a difference however between Sega Genesis and PC/MSX2 since our current articles on consles list several character origins which is why I have these articles like NES under a higher priority. Brawls of fury 19:25, 20 December 2012 (EST)

I understand where you're coming from but those articles would be so small that they would better fit on something like a "console origins list." It would be better just to link to Wikipedia rather than having those insignificant single-sentence on this wiki. What reader is going to try and find out where the characters came from? These readers certainly exist, which is why we have the universe articles, which list games that the Super Smash Bros. universe draws elements from. They'd also look for something the lines of "[this character] first appeared in X for the Nintendo Y" which, if not already present, should be put in place. The "Y" as I said could link to Wikipedia (as many other things do as well as to other NIWA wikis; I expect no one to act appalled at such a suggestion). Console articles are irrelevant, especially in regards to origins because they don't explain anything besides what games they hosted, which is insignificant data. blue ninjakoopa 19:35, 20 December 2012 (EST)

Yes but then where is the limit to what we should link to other wikis and what is relevant? Your main arguement is on the irrelevance of these articles. Does this mean that any articles with sections that have to much on stuff outside Smash Bros. should just have links to other wikis such as articles like this and this because it would save data and have much better descriptions? Brawls of fury 20:05, 20 December 2012 (EST)

Pretty much. We have no business venturing out like that in the first place. blue ninjakoopa 23:15, 20 December 2012 (EST)

Earlier above you said in parenthesies "information on them can be found on character and universe articles respectively" but now you say "We have no business venturing out like that in the first place" does this mean you have changed your mind on something? Brawls of fury 00:23, 21 December 2012 (EST)

I'm afraid you're not grasping the context; the information on universe articles isn't "venturing out" as I described. It's actually relevant since it states influences on elements in the Super Smash Bros. games. "Venturing out" would be information on consoles, whose elements are real-world, which don't influence the games at all. blue ninjakoopa 00:52, 21 December 2012 (EST)

But what is this you meant with the character articles that doesn't contradict with the "venturing out" rule ? Brawls of fury 19:51, 21 December 2012 (EST)

What? blue ninjakoopa 22:00, 21 December 2012 (EST)

Actually, disregard what I said because I have come to a conclusion. But yeah I see what you mean. Brawls of fury 01:17, 22 December 2012 (EST)

Actually I still have a question; you said "Venturing out would be information on consoles, whose elements are real-world" does this mean "venturing out" would also be anything thats real world about the game such as game ratings? Brawls of fury 23:16, 22 December 2012 (EST)

And any other games on the wiki for that mater such as masterpieces? Brawls of fury 23:20, 22 December 2012 (EST)

No. Consoles have real-world elements and are about as relevant as having an article on Saturn. Since Smashers play Super Smash Bros., they are relevant, and since ratings on Super Smash Bros. games are just that: ratings on relevant games, they are relevant. blue ninjakoopa 23:44, 22 December 2012 (EST)

Not all of the real world elements of consoles are irrelevant however; take the Backwards compatibility of the Wii for example. A reader reading Wii will learn that the Wii is backward compatible and learn that this means Melee and Brawl are playable on the Wii because the Wii is backwards compatible with the GCN which was the host of Melee, which they would also learn if they never played Melle. These articles also show what generation the systems are so any games originally released on them are part of that generation. Brawls of fury 00:20, 23 December 2012 (EST)

I don't see how your example justifies other console articles, it just justifies having an article on the Wii, which BNK already supports since the console is actually relevant to Smash rather than just having games that characters from Smash were in. Omega Tyrant 05:39, 23 December 2012 (EST)

The Game Boy was never up for deletion but just a split, so I think the d tag might not be very appropriate. Brawls of fury 18:44, 20 December 2012 (EST)

If we get rid of the articles what do you propose we do with all the information in them? Surley we do something with the relevant information, other than poorly integrate them into other articles were they have even less relevance. Brawls of fury 18:55, 20 December 2012 (EST)

I don't think integration would go as poorly as you imagine. There isn't any relevant information in these articles besides character origins (what games they debuted in and what console they were for, which doesn't merit these consoles an article besides the ones that hosted/will host Super Smash Bros. games), which can be mentioned on the characters' articles. blue ninjakoopa 19:00, 20 December 2012 (EST)

Keep These articles should be kept since they somewhat appear in SSB games. The Awesome 19:27, 20 December 2012 (EST)

I think we should redirect them to something, because they do make cameos in the SSB games, although I'm not sure what to redirect it to. Nintendo, perhaps? Air Conditioner My contributions 14:12, 23 December 2012 (EST)