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MG's "friend". PenguinofDeath 11:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- Blocked. --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 13:08, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Koopas
I think that merging all Koopa-related pages together would be a good idea (which isn't too surprising, it being my idea). Describe everything in terms of Green Koopas, then explain the differences between the Green and Red versions for each form. Have one section on each of the forms of Koopa-kind: Shell; Koopa Troopa; Koopa Paratroopa. Describe how jumping on / attacking a Koopa Paratroopa turns it into a Koopa Troopa, how jumping on / attacking a Koopa Troopa turns it into a Shell for a period of time, and how these shells cannot take damage, but can be thrown to do damage, and can be destroyed by throwing them off the screen. Have two pictures of each of the forms, one of each colour, and a picture of each of the relevant trophies. Currently there are at least eight pages on Koopa-kind - there need only be one or two.
I'm not sure if the Green Shell (Item) and Red Shell (Item) pages could be incorporated into the one page, as there is quite a lot to say about them (e.g. damage lists) but even if they couldn't be part of the main Koopa page, they could be made into one Shell (Item) page, removing all references to the shells found in the Subspace Emissary in Brawl. The following are the Koopa pages that would be affected by the move:
- Green Koopa Troopa
- Red Koopa Troopa
- Green Shell
- Red Shell
- Koopa Paratroopa
- Red Koopa Paratroopa
- Green shell glitch (which doesn't even have an appropriate name)
- Red Shell Glitch (which is the same glitch as the above)
PenguinofDeath (talk) 11:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Aside from keeping the items Green Shell and Red Shell separate, I concur. Miles (talk) 20:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Would you put everything Koopa-related all on the one page? Wouldn't that make it horribly long? Also, if the above Koopa plan is viable, I think a similar thing should be done about the members of the R.O.B. Squad, just because having a page for each member leaves the pages very short, but with a lot of repetition between them. In other news, is my signature okay? I seem to be the only person to have used the <big> coding...
- PenguinofDeath 21:38, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- A long article isn't bad by default; rather, a complete one is desirable. On second thought, though, Koopa Troopas (both colors) should be one page and Koopa Paratroopas should be another.
- And for sig rules, read on. Miles (talk) 21:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Damn... I knew there was a reason why that code was never used. About the Koopa Paratroopas, is there really enough to say about them to justify their own page? And is there so little to say about Shells as items that their own page is not justified? I'd have thought that the Koopa Paratroopas were the least important of all Koopa-kind (I'm determined to make that a real phrase). I don't mind. So long as some sort of cleanup occurs, I'll be happy. Just point me (or whoever you want to do it) in the right direction, and I'll write the relevant pages. PenguinofDeath 22:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Would you put everything Koopa-related all on the one page? Wouldn't that make it horribly long? Also, if the above Koopa plan is viable, I think a similar thing should be done about the members of the R.O.B. Squad, just because having a page for each member leaves the pages very short, but with a lot of repetition between them. In other news, is my signature okay? I seem to be the only person to have used the <big> coding...
R.O.B. Squad
After the above discussion with Miles, I reworked all R.O.B. enemy pages into one R.O.B. Squad page. What do you think?
I haven't moved the original pages, and it's all one edit, so just undo it if you don't think it's appropriate. PenguinofDeath 11:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'd use that article to describe the R.O.B. Squad as a whole, and do a quick summary of each kind of R.O.B. enemy. However, I'd keep the other three articles separate from this one. Miles (talk) 12:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Image removal
It seems that multiple users, including Sonic64 and various IPs, cannot save the Palette swap (SSBB) page without all the images getting deleted. What the heck is going on? Toomai Glittershine 
eXemplary Logic cntrbs 22:22, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
- Correction: it seems that some users cannot edit any pages without the images being removed somehow. The problem seems to be unique to new users. Toomai Glittershine
eXemplary Logic cntrbs 22:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
- I tried editing a page with a new account and without being logged it, but I couldn't reproduce it. --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 23:42, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
The answer is the new rich text editor (RTE) which I'm sure most older users disabled. It causes problems like:
- Removing page content (images in particular).
- Breaking tables.
- Breaks formatting by eliminating linebreaks near <br> tags.
(for a more complete list see here)
Do we want to disable this RTE for all editors? --Shadowcrest 17:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- Auto Disable it, and if people want it enough, they can turn it on for themselves. New users won't be able to understand most likely.Smoreking(T) (c) 17:50, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- It might be a good idea to make an announcement. Something like "It has been discovered that Wikia's new Rich Text Editor causes problems such as image removal. Please disable it in your preferences." Toomai Glittershine The Table Designer cntrbs 18:40, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- We can auto-disable it for all users on the wiki, who can re-enable it in their preferences if they wish. Imo that's a much easier solution that putting it in sitenotice, which most people ignore anyway. Shadowcrest 18:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with Shadowcrest. Miles (talk) 18:56, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- IP users (the ones who seem the worst affected) couldn't change it in their preferences, as they don't have an account, and even if they could, it would be unfair to rely on them to change their preferences themselves, so putting out a notice wouldn't work. Auto-disabling the Rich Text Editor is the only option. PenguinofDeath 19:57, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- What Penguin said. --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 20:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- IP users (the ones who seem the worst affected) couldn't change it in their preferences, as they don't have an account, and even if they could, it would be unfair to rely on them to change their preferences themselves, so putting out a notice wouldn't work. Auto-disabling the Rich Text Editor is the only option. PenguinofDeath 19:57, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with Shadowcrest. Miles (talk) 18:56, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- We can auto-disable it for all users on the wiki, who can re-enable it in their preferences if they wish. Imo that's a much easier solution that putting it in sitenotice, which most people ignore anyway. Shadowcrest 18:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- It might be a good idea to make an announcement. Something like "It has been discovered that Wikia's new Rich Text Editor causes problems such as image removal. Please disable it in your preferences." Toomai Glittershine
→ copied from User talk:Clarinet Hawk:
Wikia response:
We cant do that. Its either on at the wiki, or its off. The setting to use it is on a per user setting in their global settings, we cant make it "default off" at a wiki. So if the extension is enabled at a wiki, all the people who opt to use it can, and it is turned on in the settings of all new users (something we cant adjust per wiki, since accounts are global, they dont actually get created at any 1 wiki).
- So basically, we can't auto-disable it. I don't know what else we could do, aside from preventing IPs from editing and making new users disable the RTE themselves, but that seems rather extreme. :/ PenguinofDeath 17:59, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think the best we can do is to somehow alert users of the problem, and just damage control the IP edits until the RTE is fixed. I know that announcements are ignored by some, but I don't see what else can be done. Toomai Glittershine The Stats Guy cntrbs 19:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
(end of copied posts)
- According to w:c:guildwars:User:M.mendel, the RTE will probably never be bug-free. He thinks that unless wikia scraps the current one and designs an entirely new one, there will always be problems with it, such as image removal or messed up tables. (See here for a written declaration; he also told me on IRC "I think it will never be completely bug-free when it deals with wikicode".) Seeing that auto-disable is not an option, should we consider disabling the RTE on the wiki? (Also keep in mind that we can add it later if they do get around to fixing it.) I don't know about you all, but running damage control for forever seems like a waste of time to me. --Shadowcrest 02:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- Endless damage control is boring, so either disable it, or block IPs from editing (if possible). The latter would save us a lot of trouble in other areas, but would greatly reduce the number of good faith edits as well. I'm not sure - one of the two. PenguinofDeath 04:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm with Shadowcrest on getting rid of it for the whole wiki, at least til it's less glitchy. Miles (talk) 19:43, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm also in favor of disabling the RTE. The limited benefits of having the RTE enabled are far outweighed by the hassle it creates. – Defiant Elements +talk 18:03, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm with Shadowcrest on getting rid of it for the whole wiki, at least til it's less glitchy. Miles (talk) 19:43, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- Endless damage control is boring, so either disable it, or block IPs from editing (if possible). The latter would save us a lot of trouble in other areas, but would greatly reduce the number of good faith edits as well. I'm not sure - one of the two. PenguinofDeath 04:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Requesting article deletion
I'd like to request that the article written about me in the smashers section be removed. I do not want my personal information open to the internet. This is the page: Smasher:Levi. I am removing all personal information regarding myself until the entire article is deleted. Also I am removing my brother's name from his page to maintain his anonymity. The article on him: Smasher:Neat. Mariownage (talk) 08:21, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- If you think an article should be deleted, please tag it using {{delete|reason why it should be deleted}}. PenguinofDeath 08:41, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
SSBM fighters' Overview/Gameplay/X in competitive play sections
So I was talking to Pikamander2 here, and he suggested taking my question here. My full reasoning can be found on his talk page, but in short, about 6 or so Melee fighters' have a short, messy section similar to attributes, though under a different name. I believe we (and by "we" I mean me) should replece those sections with an attribute section based off the pros and cons already there. Agreed? Enigmatic Mr. L 02:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
