Talk:Rosalina & Luma (SSB4)/Archive 1

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Shouldn't Roselina have the Mushroom Icon under her picture instead of the Special stages symbol? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 12:00, 18 December 2013 (EST)

That's a fault of the template, going to fix. Toomai Glittershine The Eggster 12:02, 18 December 2013 (EST)

General Page

Should the character also get her own generalized page? Hard to word, but I mean one with information not just exclusive to Smash. MarioGalaxy^Talk 12:14, 18 December 2013 (EST)

As with all characters, yes. Toomai Glittershine The Boss 12:16, 18 December 2013 (EST)

"Huge" size

I'm feeling like that is just an awkward adjective to use. Perhaps 'tall' would be better? I'm not sure exactly what I'm going off of, but 'huge' just feels wrong, as if it implies she's Ganondorf or Bowser or something, and doesn't really fit Rosalina. She is a large character, but 'huge' would imply she has bulk, which she doesn't really have. I think 'tall' might be a better word. So . . .? — Jigglypuff the Magic Dragon (talk) 11:15, 23 December 2013 (EST)

Sakurai even uses "tall" himself, so there's no reason not to use it over "huge". Omega Tyrant 11:18, 23 December 2013 (EST)

Luma Shot

Sakurai refers to one of the screenshots (Jan 21st) depicting a move called the "Luma Shot". Is that enough to name the move and use it as a caption for the screenshot, listed under known information, ect, or are the words "This is the Luma Shot" not clear enough? I'm curious because nobody mentioned it in the atricle yet. 174.6.89.112 13:52, 24 January 2014 (EST)

Is it me...

Or will Rosalina and Luma be the top tiers of SSB4? Anyone want to discuss what their potential is? Requiem of Ice (talk) 00:13, 1 March 2014 (EST)

SW:TALK. Competitive analysis will have to wait for the games' release. Miles (talk) 00:21, 1 March 2014 (EST)

Of course, but from what I've seen so far, she's going to be my reliable main. But I will wait, if needed. Requiem of Ice (talk) 14:00, 1 March 2014 (EST)

For those who are wondering...

We're using "Rosalina" and not "Rosalina & Luma" for a few reasons. Most notably is the precedent: "Pikmin & Olimar" was the term used universally before Brawl's release, but the game itself used just "Olimar". Additionally, the page is already marked with the unofficial name icon, to make clear that the shorter name not strictly the official one. Miles (talk) 19:27, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Well we've seen the roster now, and Pikmin & Olimar did indeed change to Olimar, but Rosalina did not do the same thing. I always thought it was too speculative to cut Luma from the title, and now I feel even more strongly that we should change the name to Rosalina & Luma (SSB4) Toast ltimatum 15:09, 10 June 2014 (EDT)

Rosalina & Luma (SSB4) should be the title now that the demo showed that as her player name. SeanWheeler (talk) 18:38, 11 June 2014 (EDT)

I don't really want the page to be renamed, but due to the article titles policy, I agree. Red (talk) 22:20, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

Yeah, we probably should change it. Rosalina and Luma have different names in Japan, so it's not like they named her that way in the demo because it meant fewer announcer voice clips or anything. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 20:19, 1 July 2014 (EDT)

So are we going to wait for the game's release to move her? During the big release code red while we're busy updating the whole site? SeanWheeler (talk) 20:52, 18 July 2014 (EDT)

I'll probably not manage to accomplish anything in saying this, but I think we should keep this page's name as just Rosalina, because, even after "Rosalina and Luma" was confirmed to be the official name of the character, Rosalina is generally still the community-accepted name. I know it's true that people also shorten names for characters like King Dedede and Zero Suit Samus, but for Rosalina it's much, much more widespread. And, to me, the fact that we had 'Rosalina' as the name of this page even when the trailer clearly gave her the name 'Rosalina and Luma' is the kicker. Besides, Smash Wiki is not official. Nymbare and his talk 11:22, 23 July 2014 (EDT)

(resetting indent) The page naming policy states that character pages should be named as how they are named in-game. We believed that it would be changed to Rosalina, like how Pikmin & Olimar was changed to Olimar in non-Japanese versions of Brawl, so we simply named it "Rosalina". However, we were incorrect. Red (talk) 19:13, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

Support Agree with Red. Awesomelink234 (talk) 22:20, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

I'm opposed to the move still for the time being. Honestly, we should just throw the unofficial icon up in the corner and leave it at that. Miles (talk) 22:23, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

Support Awesomelink234 (talk) 22:29, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

I support the move as well, per the policy. It'll be a lot of work changing every link, but we might as well get started now. Blue Ninjakoopa 22:37, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

I Support moving it to "Rosalina and Luma (SSB4)" as well Laikue (talk) 22:43, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

Oppose. It could very well change when the game is released. RickTommy 23:49, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

Strong Support We (I say 'we' through grated teeth) were silly to assume that the character would be called 'Rosalina' when every single source called the character 'Rosalina & Luma'. There was no evidence of any name other than Rosalina & Luma. It's highly unlikely that the name will change now, even the announcer says Rosalina & Luma. Toast ltimatum 14:31, 25 July 2014 (EDT)

Oppose A part of me feels this move is too much. Besides, not much people use "Rosalina & Luma"; they usually mention just Rosalina herself. Marking it as unofficial lingo like Miles suggested could suit it better, and it takes less effort. Berrenta (talk) 15:41, 25 July 2014 (EDT)

But should Rosalina & Luma be treated like ukemi or strong attack? SW:OFFICIAL is a legitimate argument against the move, especially since the community refers to her as just "Rosalina", but I think Rosalina is a special case since she's a significant, playable character. Blue Ninjakoopa 15:53, 25 July 2014 (EDT)

Support Assuming I'm supporting the move, anyhow. The official name is Rosalina & Luma in-game. ...a new Nuttais approaching... 16:47, 25 July 2014 (EDT)

Oppose per Berrenta. Since a vast majority of people call her "Rosalina", I'm thinking we could do what we did for SSB4... mark it as unofficial due to how well it's known by society. Qwerty (talk) 01:44, 31 July 2014 (EDT)

Support The consensus here is strongly in favor of renaming and while I call Rosalina just that, the fighter's name officially is Rosalina & Luma. Those who are saying this fighter is more commonly called Rosalina than Rosalina & Luma forget that other characters' names are shortened, e.g. Falcon, Zamus, Trainer, Jiggly, DK, Diddy etc. and here they are called Captain Falcon, Zero Suit Samus, Wii Fit Trainer, Jigglypuff, Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong. RoyboyX Talk 00:33, 1 August 2014 (EDT)

Is there a protection on moving the page? RoyboyX Talk 00:16, 5 August 2014 (EDT)

There is. However, I still feel we shouldn't move, especially since the game's not out yet. Berrenta (talk) 01:10, 5 August 2014 (EDT)