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*Brawl has a knockback cap of 2500 (or 83 1/3 units per frame), fast enough to move from the edge of Battlefield to the center in less than 1 frame. | *Brawl has a knockback cap of 2500 (or 83 1/3 units per frame), fast enough to move from the edge of Battlefield to the center in less than 1 frame. | ||
Super Smash Bros 64 also has a knockback cap of 2500. | *Super Smash Bros 64 also has a knockback cap of 2500. |
Revision as of 23:21, August 11, 2013
Knockback is a measure of how far an attack sends its target. For example, Bowser's forward smash is an attack of high knockback; it launches opponents very far, so far that at high damages it's more powerful than a Home-Run Bat's smash attack. Pikachu's neutral attack, on the other hand, has very low knockback - it hardly sends opponents anywhere, even at ludicrous damages.
Basic physics
The knockback of most attacks increases as the target's damage increases. Knockback is also affected by the target's weight, gravity, and a few other conditions (such as type effectiveness). The damage dealt by an attack is a significant factor in how much knockback it deals, but it is not the primary factor - this is the reason stale moves have less knockback than fresh ones.
Each hitbox of a move has two knockback values: a base knockback and a knockback scaling (also known as knockback growth). Base knockback is the minimum amount of knockback the attack can deliver (in normal circumstances), and knockback scaling is a factor that controls how much the knockback increases as damage increases. Moves with high base knockback deal high knockback under any circumstances, such as the swing of a Home-Run Bat. They additionally tend to be more effective at KOing when less knockback is needed to KO (such as against lighter characters, when near the edge of the stage, or when an opponent is handicapped to sustain more knockback). On the other hand, moves with high knockback scaling take less damage to reach KO potential, such as Luigi's forward smash. They additionally tend to be more effective at KOing when the opponent requires more knockback to be KO'd (such as against heavier characters, when far away from a stage's blast line, or when an opponent is handicapped to sustain less knockback). Advanced techniques to extend survival such as DI and momentum cancelling are also less effective the stronger a move's knockback scaling is.
In Melee, the highest knockback delivered and received by each character is given in match results, though the number lacks meaning. In Brawl, the velocity applied (in units per 1000 frames) is provided instead of the knockback value (though it's simply knockback divided by 0.03). The unit is given as "mph"; while this would presumably mean "miles per hour", this is obviously not the case, as a 1,000 mph hit barely sends characters anywhere. The following table gives an idea of various knockback strengths:
Knockback | Velocity | Example |
---|---|---|
10 | 333.33 | One stage builder block per second |
33.6 | 1120 | Jigglypuff's short hop |
43.2 | 1440 | Jigglypuff's first jump |
63 | 2100 | Fox dashing (without running) |
102.6 | 3420 | Falco's first jump |
131.43 | 4381 | Sheik's footstool jump |
172.5 | 5750 | The approximate knockback needed to KO from the center of Final Destination with the Sakurai angle DI'd down. |
186 | 6200 | The approximate knockback needed to KO from the center of Final Destination with the Sakurai angle and no DI. |
204.75 | 6825 | The approximate knockback needed to KO from the center of Final Destination with the Sakurai angle DI'd away. |
300 | 10000 | Jigglypuff's Shield Jump |
Formula
Smash 64
File:SSB64KnockbackFormula.png
Melee/Brawl
File:SSBBKnockbackFormula.png
Technically the Melee formula is unknown, but it is extremely likely to be identical to the Brawl one.
Brawl uses a second formula to alter knockback based on the target's gravity:
File:SSBBKnockbackFormulaGravity.png
The result of this formula is added to the vertical component of the knockback. As a result, characters with higher gravity take more knockback then those with lower gravity, depending on how vertical the angle is.
Variables
- p is the percentage of the target, counted after the attack's damage is added.
- d is the damage the attack dealt.
- w is the weight of the target.
- s is the attack's knockback scaling as a percentage (so a value of 100 becomes 1.00).
- b is the attack's base knockback.
- r is a ratio based on a number of factors, including:
- Difficulty
- Handicap
- Smash charge interruption bonus
- Type effectiveness
If the move has a weight-based knockback value set (so the move deals set knockback), then d is set to that value, and p is always 10.
Other physics of knockback
- Bouncing off a wall reduces knockback by 15% (in Brawl). Landing a meteor smash on a grounded opponent counts as a bounce, if enough knockback was dealt.
- If a character is hit while charging a smash attack, they will take more knockback (20% more in Brawl).
- Based on type effectiveness, Pokémon Trainer's Pokémon will take more or less knockback from certain moves.
- Characters that take a certain amount of knockback will slightly damage opponents they run into while flying. This hitbox belongs to the character that dealt the knockback, and KO'ing with one is how one achieves the Dead-Weight KO bonus.
- In Melee, if a second attack hits a target after 10 frames, the knockback delivered is added to the current knockback, so hitting a vertical-flying opponents with a horizontal-launching attack will result in a diagonal trajectory; if the second hit strikes before 10 frames, the knockback is completely overwritten. In Brawl, the second hit always completely replaces the first hit's direction unless the first hit was much stronger, in which case the direction is unaltered.
Set knockback
Set knockback, sometimes referred to fixed knockback, is a property of some attacks where the knockback dealt by the attack does not depend on the opponent's percentage or how much damage the attack does. This results in it dealing the same amount of knockback regardless of stale-move negation.
List of set knockback moves
Super Smash Bros.
- Mario Tornado
- Fire Flower
- Kirby's Final Cutter (meteor smash and up slice)
- Fox's down aerial
- Mario's down aerial
- Fox's up aerial (first hit)
- Luigi's sourspotted Super Jump Punch
- Yoshi's up and down tilt.
- Kirby’s up aerial
- Kirby’s landing hitboxes, after using every aerial except his back aerial.
Super Smash Bros. Melee
- Fox: Reflector
- Ice Climbers: down air
- Yoshi: down tilt
- Luigi's down taunt
- Kirby's Hammer (in the air)
- Fox's down aerial
- Bowser's up throw
- Young Link: first hit of forward smash
- Fox's up aerial (first hit)
- Kirby's Final Cutter
- Roy's Blazer
- Luigi's sourspotted Super Jump Punch
- Red Shell
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
- Many jabs, such as Kirby's, have set knockback.
- King Dedede's down throw
- Luigi's down taunt
- Toon Link's forward smash (first hit)
- Kirby's Final Cutter (up and downwards stroke)
- Fox's up aerial (first hit)
- Bowser's up throw
- Captain Falcon's neutral air (first hit)
- Wolf's Reflector
- Snake's forward tilt (first hit on grounded opponents)
- Sonic's up aerial (first hit)
- Isaac's Move
Knockback chart
The following is a chart demonstrating how much knockback each character sustains in Brawl. While weight is the primary attribute for determining how much knockback a character sustains, there are other attributes that factor in, such as a character's gravity. This results in some characters sustaining more knockback than lighter characters.
The knockback value shown is how much knockback a character sustains when hit with Marth's Critical Hit at 0%, arranged from least knockback sustained to most knockback sustained.
Rank | Character | Knockback sustained | Velocity applied |
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1 | Bowser | 490.8 | 14724 |
2 | Donkey Kong | 494.667 | 14840 |
3 | Snake | 499.367 | 14981 |
4 | King Dedede | 501.4 | 15042 |
5 | Charizard | 504.667 | 15140 |
6 | Samus | 505.333 | 15160 |
7 | Ganondorf | 508.467 | 15254 |
8 | Yoshi | 508.7 | 15261 |
9 | R.O.B. | 509.533 | 15286 |
10 | Wario | 509.867 | 15296 |
11 | Ike | 513.3 | 15399 |
12 | Link | 515.633 | 15469 |
13 | Captain Falcon | 517.133 | 15514 |
14 | Lucario | 520.033 | 15601 |
15 | Ivysaur | 520.833 | 15625 |
16 | Mario | 525.1 | 15753 |
17 | Wolf | 525.7 | 15771 |
18 | Luigi | 525.9 | 15777 |
19 | Sonic | 531.9 | 15957 |
20 | Ness | 532.367 | 15971 |
21 | Pit | 532.8 | 15984 |
22 | Lucas | 534.4 | 16032 |
23 | Toon Link | 536.2 | 16086 |
24 | Diddy Kong | 536.6 | 16098 |
25 | Ice Climbers | 536.967 | 16109 |
26 | Peach | 539.533 | 16186 |
27 | Marth | 546 | 16380 |
28 | Zelda | 550.467 | 16514 |
29 | Olimar | 556.267 | 16688 |
30 | Sheik | 558.5 | 16755 |
31 | Zero Suit Samus | 561.567 | 16847 |
32 | Falco | 561.9 | 16857 |
33 | Kirby | 565.5 | 16965 |
34 | Pikachu | 566 | 16980 |
35 | Meta Knight | 566.933 | 17008 |
36 | Fox | 573.367 | 17201 |
37 | Mr. Game & Watch | 574.133 | 17224 |
38 | Squirtle | 577.567 | 17327 |
39 | Jigglypuff | 589.1 | 17673 |
Trivia
- Brawl has a knockback cap of 2500 (or 83 1/3 units per frame), fast enough to move from the edge of Battlefield to the center in less than 1 frame.
- Super Smash Bros 64 also has a knockback cap of 2500.