Forum:Smash Arena Suggestions

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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the Smash Arena. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

Rules

Posting suggestions

• Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
• If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
• Check this list to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred 100 or more rounds ago. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
• Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post one suggestion per week (i.e. one every seven days).
• Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with ~~~~ and a # in front of it (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with ~~~~).
• Place new suggestions at the bottom of the page.
• You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
• Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine; just don't replace, add, or remove combatants.

Voting and comments

• Don't vote for your own suggestion.
• Post why you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
• The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
• Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
• Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself. This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.

Acceptance or rejection

• The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights. Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
• Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
• Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
  • In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
• If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
• Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.

Tips

• In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
• Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
• Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary. Fights of more than three participants have to be exceptional in order to be selected, and will likely be reserved for special rounds, so don't try too hard to make one work.
• The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.

Queue

The current queue is as such:

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Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

Show Your Support

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Template

To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts:

==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

===Support===

===Oppose===

===Comments===

Suggestions

No KO vs. CD Factory

Two noteworthy custom stages created using the Stage Builder. Will the entrapping box or efficient item-grabber be more popular? 123JamesHeart 16:25, 16 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. Nice idea you got thar. Toast ltimatum 16:33, 16 May 2012 (EDT)
2. I never even heard of those until now. Very creative idea, I must say 98.247.37.38 23:04, 18 May 2012 (EDT)
3. Never thought of that. Avengingbandit 00:26, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
4. hmmmm....ok. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
5. 204.191.138.146 16:02, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
6. This seems creative. ..... The Pylon 09:21, 21 May 2012 (EDT)
7. Ah, zat is a good match. ShupaRoeh 22:31, 25 May 2012 (EDT)
8. YES! DarkFox01 16:00, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
9. Intresting. Meta Ike 22:51, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
10. Great!194.17.116.198 07:17, 31 May 2012 (EDT)
11. Please do this. I (coincidentally) have an even number of CD/Sticker Factories and Cage Fights custom stages. F1reBurn1ng (talk) 13:37, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

Torchic vs. Piplup

People have said they want Pokémon fights that do not involve legendaries, so here's one. Two starter Pokémon that can both be released from a Poké Ball in Brawl, and were also both owned by Ash's female companion in their respective seasons of the anime. Which is the favourite? Toast ltimatum 16:33, 16 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. I was actually going to suggest this one, but also for the reasons of them being bird Pokemon of opposite elements. Toadat9021doh (talk) 21:06, 16 May 2012 (EDT)
2. Sounds good to me. AccoolX File:Accoolx.png 21:09, 16 May 2012 (EDT)
3. Thenonexistent (talk) 18:58, 17 May 2012 (EDT)
4. Both of them are based on flightless birds, have large heads and small bodies, and high-pitched cries. It's a thumbs up from me. Blue Ninjakoopa^(Talk) 20:46, 18 May 2012 (EDT)
5. Seems interesting. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
6. This would make for a nice change of pace, considering how popular Pokémon matches are. 123JamesHeart 15:54, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
7. ..... The Pylon 09:21, 21 May 2012 (EDT)
8. I'm surprised nobody thought of this before. YES! DarkFox01 16:00, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
9. Ummm....yes. 67.173.145.76 11:01, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

Kirby vs. Sonic the Hedgehog

This would be awesome, and here's why I want this to happen. Both are pretty fast, both ride airborne mechines in certian games, both are really happy in their own way, both are cocky in their own way (I'm not sure if Kirby being impulsive is cocky, I'm young, so correct me if I'm wrong), both of their favorite foods are healthy (I guess chili isn't healthy, but hot dogs are), and both have a rivalry with very serious people (Meta Knight for Kirby and Shadow the Hedgehog for Sonic). These and they're two of four of my favorite video game characters. Please make this happen! 98.247.37.38 19:17, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. I don't have any issues here, tbh. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
2. This is going to be a good match! 67.68.41.205 23:04, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Tasteless, and hot dogs aren't healthy. Kirby's favorite food is... everything. Kirby isn't cocky nor is he fast unless he has the Wheel ability, and Meta Knight isn't really Kirby's rival, the two are actually in very good terms; his relationship with Meta Knight can kinda sorta be compared to Sonic's relationship with Knuckles. If you were to make a valid comparison, you would say that they both wear red shoes, but that's about it. Sorry, but it's a thumbs down from me. Blue Ninjakoopa^(Talk) 20:44, 18 May 2012 (EDT)
2. For everything Blue Ninjakoopa has said. 123JamesHeart 15:54, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
3. Kirby is actually really slower in many terms. Hot dogs aren't so healthy all the time and eating too much isn't healthy either. Some of the facts are invalid. ..... The Pylon 09:21, 21 May 2012 (EDT)
4. Too unsimilar. ShupaRoeh 22:32, 25 May 2012 (EDT)
5. Having two of your favorite characters and rolling with that ain't the best match up and completely bias. I see no similiarities between them, Pink Marshmellow you really sucks VS A blue Hedgehog who don't look like a hedgehog and is really fast. Headmaster Hand (talk) 13:02, 26 May 2012 (EDT)
6. No. Sorry, but this just doesn't fit. DarkFox01 16:00, 27 May 2012 (EDT)

Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Shadow the Hedgehog

The long-awaited battle between the fastest thing alive and the ultimate lifeform. Need I say more? Toadat9021doh (talk) 21:52, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. Say, that is a good match. ShupaRoeh 20:25, 21 May 2012 (EDT)
2. Why not? Headmaster Hand (talk) 03:03, 24 May 2012 (EDT)
3. Please! I want this battle in the next round! This would be a hit!! 67.68.41.205 21:27, 24 May 2012 (EDT)
4. Per the above. YES! DarkFox01 16:00, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
5. Its a classic so of course. ..... The Scientist 21:20, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
6. Why no one has thought of this before? Stranger 1260 09:21, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

Flat Zone vs. Flat Zone 2

More original and successor stages. 204.191.138.146 20:19, 19 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. Why hasn't this been done yet? DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
2. Agreed. 123JamesHeart 15:54, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
3. ^..... The Pylon 09:21, 21 May 2012 (EDT)
4. Makes sence. 199.185.67.18 11:05, 22 May 2012 (EDT)
5. Well, you can't not have this fight. Toast ltimatum 17:18, 25 May 2012 (EDT)
6. Original vs New. Great Idea.ShupaRoeh 22:33, 25 May 2012 (EDT)
7. Eh, I don't really like it. But it's kinda good. So It's got my support! Headmaster Hand (talk) 13:06, 26 May 2012 (EDT)
8. I hate both of these stages, but this is a great idea it's just like the Pokemon Stadiums battle. YES! DarkFox01 16:00, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
9. Per the above. Stranger 1260 09:21, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

Groudon vs. Bowser

The undeterred evil king faces off against the giant fiery Legendary Pokémon. 117.254.217.177 23:51, 19 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. I think this is a good idea. Avengingbandit 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
2. Honestly, I think this is fine. Playable characters don't have to fight strictly playable characters. Groudon was once slated to fight Wolf on the Smash Arena, but the fight was never publicised. This works instead. Toast ltimatum 17:18, 25 May 2012 (EDT)
3. Why not? DarkFox01 16:00, 27 May 2012 (EDT)

Oppose

1. See little similarities except for their sheer size. LightningBlue: Cinco de Smash 01:36, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
2. ^ DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
3. Groudon is way bigger, so he can squash Bowser very easily. ..... The Pylon 09:21, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

Tabuu vs. Meta Knight

For a casual Brawler, Tabuu will be insanely difficult to defeat on Intense difficulty. For a competitive Brawler, Meta Knight is so overpowered he got banned from the Unity Ruleset. Which bloodthirsty Brawl brute boasts the biggest body bag? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.107.113 (talk • contribs) 12:36, 20 May 2012

Support

1. A battle of the overpowered. I like it. 123JamesHeart 15:54, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
2. ..... The Pylon 09:21, 21 May 2012 (EDT)
3. Yeah, I'd accept this. Toast ltimatum
4. Interesting...YES! DarkFox01 16:00, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
5. The Cheese says: it seems very interesting. 75.31.4.16 12:32, 31 May 2012 (EDT) The Cheese

Comments

I'm even on this. Tabuu may be overpowered, but he is the final boss, this is expected. Maybe a more effective match would be Sonic, who stattered his wings. LightningBlue: Cinco de Smash 16:11, 20 May 2012 (EDT)

But Sonic isn't ridiculously overpowered ._. Toast ltimatum 17:18, 25 May 2012 (EDT)

We change the general idea Toast. LightningBlue: Cinco de Smash 20:43, 25 May 2012 (EDT)

Wario vs. Waluigi

Since their counterparts had a match long ago, the two antiheroes get ready for a fight. Which one will win this antihero-fight?194.17.116.198 05:19, 25 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. Zat is good match ShupaRoeh 22:23, 25 May 2012 (EDT)
2. Not sure why we done this. ..... The Scientist 10:07, 26 May 2012 (EDT)
3. Per Dots. YES! DarkFox01 16:00, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
4. Why hasn't this been done yet?Shanicpower (talk) 09:23, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
5. I see no problem with this. LightningBlue: Cinco de Smash 19:15, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

Oppose

1. It's not fair, and my EXTREME bias for Waluigi won't help. Headmaster Hand (talk) 13:09, 26 May 2012 (EDT)

Landmaster (Fox) vs. Landmaster (Falco) vs. Landmaster (Wolf)

Three Landmasters from different character of star fox fight together to find which final smash is the best. Stranger 1260 06:03, 27 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. I support this. They all are similar with differences. ShupaRoeh 13:05, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
2. Toast is wrong, I definitely prefer Falco's over the others, and Fox's is easily the worst. If they were "too similar to write a vote in favor for", how can this be? Omega Tyrant 13:49, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
3. This would be a very good match. Blue Ninjakoopa^(Talk) 14:28, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
4. I would like to see how this does. LightningBlue: Cinco de Smash 21:38, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
5. Since I previously suggested this one before and failed. I would like to have this match make a comeback. Don't say that the stuff I say are completely invalid, as I might actually be creative despite being autistic. ..... The Scientist 23:01, 30 May 2012 (EDT)

Oppose

1. This was suggested before, and it was unanimously opposed. This is because these moves are simply too similar to write a vote in the favour of one Landmaster over another. Toast ltimatum 13:46, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
2. Per Toast. DarkFox01 16:00, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
3. The Cheese says I agree with Toast. 75.31.4.16 12:38, 31 May 2012 (EDT) The Cheese

Comments

You try to do my failed suggestion again. I question why it is getting slightly more support this time. :P ..... The Scientist 16:31, 27 May 2012 (EDT)

How about adding a archive about suggestions so that we look at failed suggestions so that we don't suggest it one more time?Stranger 1260 05:49, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

Failed suggestions should have second chances, as long as they're relatively far apart. Toomai Glittershine The Superlative 23:23, 30 May 2012 (EDT)

I just want to know what has been suggested before, not that we will not suggest it anymore. I also want to know why they failed so we can improve. Stranger 1260 06:03, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

Meta Knight vs. Shadow the Hedgehog

I can see this happening. While I guess Kirby and Sonic are a little different, Meta Knight and Shadow are very similar. They're on the edgier side, they don't express their emotions much, and are also huge rivals to the heroes (Kirby and Meta Knight are TOO rivals, deal with it!). Please do this! 98.247.37.38 13:42, 27 May 2012 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Except you're wrong on several accounts. Shadow shows that he gets very very very emotional when he remembers Maria. He also forgets all but one thing in every other game he appears in. In addition, Meta Knight is not Kirby's rival. MK generally tries to assist Kirby in doing what he needs to do. Just like Kirby vs Sonic, it doesn't work. MegaTron1XD 14:35, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
2. Obvious fanboy attempt to get Shadow into the Smash Arena. If you're this desperate, have a long hard think about what can fight him, because these ideas are not the best. Toast ltimatum 14:37, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
3. Sorry, but no. DarkFox01 16:00, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
4. All that you said there was completely false. I'm very sorry that this isn't turning out but try finding facts before proving it. ..... The Scientist 21:20, 27 May 2012 (EDT)

Comments

It's not a fanboy attempt! I'm not even a big Shadow fan! God! 98.247.37.38 18:43, 27 May 2012 (EDT)

The point is, there is no similarities. Toast did have no right to assume that you were a "fanboy" just because you suggested Shadow. But the two is are not similar. This won't get a lot of attention anyways, since they have no direct relation. Kirby vs. Meta Knight would be more appropriate and Shadow vs. Sonic has already been suggested. LightningBlue: Cinco de Smash 19:20, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

I said what I did because both of your suggestions have Sonic characters in them. I also thought it was you that really wanted Sonic vs. Shadow, bgyut turns out the IPs are different. Toast ltimatum 19:39, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

Goomba vs. Waddle Dee

The tiny soldiers against each other. 117.225.230.25 09:58, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. This one has my support. 123JamesHeart 10:57, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
2. Awesome!194.17.116.198 02:14, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
3. The Cheese says: I would love to see this happen. 75.31.4.16 12:42, 31 May 2012 (EDT) The Cheese

Oppose

1. Sorry dude. Toast ltimatum 12:48, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
2. If you can't read a link, this has already been done less than 100 rounds before. LightningBlue: Cinco de Smash 19:23, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
3. ..... The Scientist 14:18, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

Comments

Actually read the link yourself LightningBlue, this matchup was done on round 25, while the Smash Arena is on Round 139. Toast posted a link as he irrationally opposes all rematches. Omega Tyrant 19:25, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

only noticed it was a recent match. I didn't give time for the page to load. Besides Toast is right. LightningBlue: Cinco de Smash 19:28, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

How can it be a recent match if this was done on round 25? And Toast isn't right about anything here. Omega Tyrant 19:31, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

That was a tad unwieldy. Indeed I do oppose almost all rematches, just because they seem somewhat unoriginal. If a fight were to be replayed, I feel it should be a significant one, like Mario vs. Bowser, or Mewtwo vs. Lucario. This fight wasn't important enough to justify a rematch. Though the main reason behind the linking was because the user who suggested this fight seemed unaware of the fact this fight had already happened. Toast ltimatum 05:00, 30 May 2012 (EDT)

If you're going to oppose based on "unoriginality", why not oppose the Flat Zone match, or all those "hero vs. villain" matches? Omega Tyrant 12:50, 30 May 2012 (EDT)

They're maybe not original, but they would be fresh. A repeat match would not be fresh. And my point still stands that only a select few matches deserve a re-run. Toast ltimatum 13:24, 30 May 2012 (EDT)

What defines "fresh"? Why is something that has been done to death "fresh", while a matchup that no one here was around to vote for isn't? Omega Tyrant 22:49, 30 May 2012 (EDT)

When I say fresh, I mean that while the idea may not be the most creative, it's still something we have yet to see, and puts a fresh blob of colour on the Smash Arena. Maybe the active users of this Wiki did not vote on this fight in its former state, but they can all view it in the history. Users on this site opposed a re-run of Mario vs. Bowser, so there is no reason to re-run a comparatively insignificant fight. Toast ltimatum 11:07, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

How is this insignificant? Those two have a fair amount of popularity. There is no problem in repeating it.

Screw Attack (item) vs. Screw Attack (move)

They have almost the same use, just one is an item and one is a move. Which variation of Screw Attack do you like better? Kirbysuperstar (talk) 05:54, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. Why not?194.17.116.198 06:00, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
2. Interesting...Shanicpower 06:50, 1 June 2012 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Sorry. I do not believe this will get a lot of popularity. Since the moves are almost the same in nature, that will not be interesting to most users. LightningBlue: Cinco de Smash 21:34, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
2. There is nothing really different about them. ..... The Scientist 14:18, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

Mario Finale vs. Super Sonic

It's the battle between Mario's Final Smash and Sonic's Final Smash!!! 67.68.41.205 22:28, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. Good idea...194.17.116.198 03:27, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

Oppose

1. ..... The Scientist 14:18, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

Link vs. Snake

The two "Mr. Utility Belts" of the Smash Universe are to face off in an attempt to out-gear the opposition. Will it be the medieval might, or the advanced annihilator? F1reBurn1ng (talk) 22:43, 30 May 2012 (EDT)

Comments

Note to the pedantic: This is valid because by the time it shows up it'll have been 100 rounds since its appearance as round 42. Toomai Glittershine The Superlative 23:23, 30 May 2012 (EDT)

Ok, then. Let's just turn it into some kind of rematch. 15 participants isn't enough, anyway. F1reBurn1ng (talk) 13:32, 31 May 2012 (EDT)