User talk:Doc King/Archive 1

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Megatron1 (talk) 23:08, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

If you want to talk to me, go on IRC.--Megatron1 (talk) 23:11, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Doc King (talk) 23:11, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Whats that? Doc King (talk) 23:12, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

It's a way to talk. On the left side of the monitor, you'll see gaming IRC. Click on it. When you reach the page, type in Doc King and choose #wikia-smashbros as your channel.--Megatron1 (talk) 23:15, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Hey.

Stop making so many forums at such a consistent rate. If you'd like to discuss different topics in one forum, do so by giving the names of each topic in the title or in the forum itself (the latter option is what I recommend). Also, work on your grammar. Thank you! BNK ^[E|T|C] 18:09, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Also, please don't bump nine month old forums to add no actual content. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 18:49, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, what's wrong with too many forums and bumping 9 month old forums. If the forums don't exist, then why don't you just delete them?! Doc King (talk) 19:36, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

It's because SmashWiki is not intended for forum-ing, as it acts as a sink to actually improving the wiki, plus there's far better sites for such. Toomai Glittershine The Table Designer 19:48, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Look, I'm at the point of not caring if there is actual good forum use going on. That said, making one line OPs about every little thing you think is unacceptable even on a dedicated forum site. Also, bumping old forums is fine if you have something new to add to the discussions. But simply bumping to +1 the consensus that a forum has reached is not good forum etiquette. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 19:55, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I guess I'll just get smashboards then. Doc King (talk) 18:11, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Can i ask you something?

How can you add those tier lists in those forums? I wanna make one. Zeldasmash (talk) 18:17, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Zeldasmash, before you get yourself into trouble, read SW:NOT. Omega Tyrant 18:21, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

If he wants to discus some tier lists he's made, I don't think that's a problem per se. That said, make sure to make actual compelling posts about why you have the tier lists and don't get defensive to the point of flaming when people disagree with you. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 19:20, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Zeldasmash, you can just go to a tier list and go to edit, and then, you can just copy the stuff that's needed to make the list and then you can organize it by color, tiers, characters' orders, etc. Doc King (talk) 13:37, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Your question about deleting

I thought it would be better to put this here than Megatron1's talk page, where you asked how to delete stuff. The answer is this: you can't delete things yourself, but you can ask that they be deleted by putting {{delete|reason}} or {{d|reason}} at the top of it (replacing "reason" with why you think it should be deleted). See here for details. Toomai Glittershine eXemplary Logic 15:34, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Thank You Toomai! Doc King (talk) 15:48, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Recovery Suggestions

Falco needs to be raised to about 16, Ganondorf needs to be lowered to about 10, and Kirby needs to be raised to about 13.-Ivy73 23:33, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think Ganon should be lowered but I kindof agree with the others. Doc King (talk) 23:43, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Adding this here to make sure you see it

Please start putting more effort into your forum posts. A (sub)title and a one line OP is not good posting. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 05:15, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Pro

While I'm flattered that you call me a pro, I'm not one according to the definition of the term as I have yet to be in an actual tournament. As such, I don't know if I'm at a professional level, but I can't be considered one until I have enter some actual tournaments. Omega Tyrant 14:12, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Well, zeldasmash told me that u were pro and so I thought u were. I know were not pros but were pretty good at this game. Also what's ur wii code? Doc King (talk) 14:14, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

My Wii code is on my talk page where I responded to your question. Omega Tyrant 14:19, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

I put the tier list

I put the tier list in your pages. You can make the changes now. Zeldasmash (talk) 21:09, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Word to the wise: don't mess with other people's user pages. I can't find any instance of him asking you to do this, so I'm going to revert it. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 22:31, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't messing with his page. He gave me permission to put that in his page. Zeldasmash (talk) 22:47, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I did. Doc King (talk) 00:04, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

No

Stop trolling. You're in risk of being banned with you're recent comment on that IP's page. --HavocReaper'48 01:28, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the troll, lets just pretend it didn't exist, alright. Please! Doc King (talk) 01:34, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

HR48 doesn't have the authority to make that decision, and neither do I. The best thing to do would be to make some constructive edits and never ever troll again. Dr. Pain 99 Talk 01:36, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

You're a bit too late... I don't have the evil powers to really do much (yet! :D), but still, I'd be very careful with future posts. --HavocReaper'48 01:40, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

OK, got it! Doc King (talk) 01:42, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Understand the Rules

Maybe you should read our policies. You seem to be showing a lack of understanding of some of them. You aren't supposed to remove content from talk pages (if you change your mind about something you say cross it out by putting it in between <s> and </s> tags), and you aren't supposed to attack people. If you don't stop, one the admins will ban you. Dr. Pain 99 Talk 01:28, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that! I won't do it again! Doc King (talk) 01:33, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

3rd Recovery Tier List

Are you still working on it? Zeldasmash (talk) 20:55, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I am still working on it. Doc King (talk) 21:04, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I wanna help. :) Zeldasmash (talk) 21:09, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

We can decide on recoveries tomarrow in the irc. Make sure you have ur Melee game on. Doc King (talk) 21:11, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I have played Melee for 9 years ever since the game was released, i pretty much know most of the recoveries. Zeldasmash (talk) 21:13, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Its ok, other ppl will help too. Doc King (talk) 21:17, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Can it be like this

Excelent

• Jigglypuff
• Samus
• Link

Very Good

• Mewtwo
• Pikachu
• Zelda
• Pichu
• Captain Falcon
• Fox
• Ganondorf

Good

• Luigi
• Kirby
• Mario
• Mr.Game&Watch
• Ice Climbers
• Young Link
• Dr.Mario

Okay

• Roy
• Marth
• Ness
• DK

Limited

• Bowser
• Yoshi

Zeldasmash (talk) 21:28, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Well, not exactly, we will discuss it tomarrow and we would all have to agree on something, ok! Doc King (talk) 21:55, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Why not today Zeldasmash (talk) 22:51, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Because I'm not sure about the recoveries right now alright! Doc King (talk) 01:44, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

IRC

I am in the IRC, wanna talk Zeldasmash (talk) 16:45, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

YOU THE MAN!!!

You actually gave me credit for the tier list trivia!!. YOU ARE THE BEST. I want to help you with the list changes Zeldasmash (talk) 21:27, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, you can just use the table I've used for the second one and you can write out the differences between both recovery ssbm tiers. Doc King (talk) 21:38, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

I think i change my mind. I think you should do it, im sorry :( Zeldasmash (talk) 22:33, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Its ok, thanks 4 offering though! Doc King (talk) 23:09, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Is it okay if i put ratios under the characters? Zeldasmash (talk) 23:31, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

No. Doc King (talk) 23:32, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yes!! I got in the credits! Thanks a lot Doc!-Ivy73 23:38, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

No prob! Doc King (talk) 23:41, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Did you know you put my mains in the top tier but in reverse order right?Zeldasmash (talk) 00:59, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

As soon as you put that on the trivia, I've known that. Doc King (talk) 01:49, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Okay i put the ascends and descends, we just need the reasons now. Zeldasmash (talk) 02:48, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, i'll do that tomarrow! Doc King (talk) 04:19, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

:)

You're my goddamn hero. You put me in the tier list changes, gave me credit for helping you. You are possibly the only friend i have that is like this. Zeldasmash (talk) 18:41, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oh wow, Thanks! Doc King (talk) 18:43, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

I want to help you with the upcoming tier lists. Zeldasmash (talk) 18:51, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, but there not going to be around for a while but yeah sure you can help! Doc King (talk) 19:01, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Your fourm posts.

Please start putting more effort into your posts. A single line and a title is not an acceptable OP, and "yeah, I agree" adds nothing to the discussion. Please actually try to start the discussion with your OPs. Link to a video that shows what you're talking about, discuss the properties of the moves you think are important, describe a match-up that proves a point, or just try to answer your own question. Whatever you do, an OP should never be shorter than what I have written here, and that is rather short in an of itself. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 21:00, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and this is unacceptable. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 02:32, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I will try to make my forums better and what was so bad about what I said to the person who sweared? I was just helping him so he doesn't get banned and so he knows the rules of Smash Wiki. So does that mean I can't correct ppl then? Doc King (talk) 04:31, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

CHawk isn't saying your forum topics are bad, he is saying that you should put more effort into your posts on forums. Omega Tyrant 04:35, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

@Doc King: you can help people to try not to get banned. However, you went the wrong way about it. First, don't say Clarinet Hawk will ban you; you shouldn't threat an anonymous user with a ban, and it's not fair to Clarinet Hawk that you specifically used his name. Second, don't bother warning IPs whose only edit is clearly vandalsim; it won't solve anything. Third, you were a little late on that post; the user was already banned. I'm not sure which one of these caused CHawk to say it was unacceptable, but if youre going to warn users, don't do It the way you did. Dr. Pain 99 Talk 04:56, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Also, while swearing is frowned upon here in Smashwiki, there are no rules against it. You can ask Semicolon to provide an argument, but he's not currently active. Mr. Anon teh awsome 05:36, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, sorry Clarinet, I didn't mean to make you look bad or anything, i was just trying to help out. Doc King (talk) 14:39, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not worried about that, I did ban that guy, so that's not the issue. In general, however, don't backseat mod. Let an admin know about something, and we'll look into it. Posting right below like that is just a good way to stir things up. Also, when I add the temp ban, that means I've already seen it. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 18:42, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ok then! Doc King (talk) 19:15, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Hey!

Doc King aren't we supposed to be working with the matchup changes? Oh and by the way, put comments 4 next to the video comment at the top of the forum. Zeldasmash (talk) 01:19, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I had to do something important, I'll work on them as soon as possible. Doc King (talk) 14:54, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

I already did Fox, Falco, Sheik, Marth, Captain Falcon and Samus (still in development). Zeldasmash (talk) 15:15, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Ok. Doc King (talk) 15:21, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Doc's Matchups

I will let you do Doc's matchups and Ganondorf's matchups if you like. I will take care of Link and Mewtwo's matchups. Zeldasmash (talk) 16:30, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks Zelda! Doc King (talk) 16:50, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

WTF to Mewtwo!?

Why did you lower Mewtwo to mid tier? Zeldasmash (talk) 17:03, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well, many ppl were arguing that Mewtwo was easy to KO and so I was in training mode and then I relized that he is somewhat easy to KO so he moved down. Doc King (talk) 17:08, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

So what?. Don't you know he has more recovery options than most of the cast and did you see that video i left in the page (the on with the square)?. Zeldasmash (talk) 17:10, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well couldn't see the vid but you can change the list if you want, any1 can! Doc King (talk) 17:11, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Things are getting out of hand

Everyone keeps complaining about the tier list. Should i increase the size the tier list so they can understand that we are trying. Zeldasmash (talk) 15:41, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

People are not complaining, they are criticising your prediction for the next tier list. As I told you on the IRC, if you didn't want people criticising your list, you should not have posted it outside your userspace. Either learn to properly deal with criticism or do not post a made up tier list in a forum ever again. By posting it in the forum, you are showing that you want people's opinion on it and you should expect people to have a different opinion than yours. You should know that people are likely to disagree with you and it's your own fault if you didn't prepare yourself for it. As such, before posting another tier list outside your userspace, be prepared to deal with criticism and come up with valid arguments to support your opinion. Omega Tyrant 17:27, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Even if you post it in your userspace, people can and will criticize it. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 17:41, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

That may be true, but when you are posting something in a forum, you are directly asking for comments from other users. This is unlike your userspace, which from what I seen, users tend to ignore other users' "tier lists". Omega Tyrant 17:50, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Well I know critisizing will happen and Clarinet, I thought your opinion was the best out of everyone! Congradulations Clarinet Hawk!!! Doc King (talk) 18:49, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Chart

I already did Dr. Mario's matchups and i am doing Ganondorf's matchup's right now how about you check Dr. Mario's matchups and fix them if you think something is wrong. Now. Zeldasmash (talk) 19:47, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR 300 EDITS!!!!!!!!!!!! Zeldasmash (talk) 20:21, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Thank You! Doc King (talk) 20:29, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

The matchup chart is ready for you to fix or edit. Zeldasmash (talk) 20:56, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Zelda Page

Stop making your edits to the Zelda page and read this. DP99   21:20, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

I was just adding some trivia to Zelda's page, why is that a problem? Doc King (talk) 23:51, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

It wasn't needed. It's like adding "Kirby is the only Kirby Series characer".--MegaTron1XD 23:53, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

But I think that Zelda should at least have a few trivia facts to her page and the stuff there was true. Doc King (talk) 23:55, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

It is not a problem for a page to lack trivia; in fact in some ways it's best if trivia can be avoided. Toomai Glittershine The Stats Guy 23:56, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I see what you mean there Toomai. I thought it would be good to add some interesting facts for Zelda. Doc King (talk) 00:00, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

SSBB Tier List Opinion

Do you want to do a SSBB tier list opinion between both of us? Zeldasmash (talk) 22:57, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Not now because there's not gonna be another one soon and I don't want ppl to yell at us XD! But maybe in the future. Doc King (talk) 23:53, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

IRC

Lets talk in the IRC. Zeldasmash (talk) 16:13, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

SW:QDV

Don't call out vandals. Just report them, and make sure an admin hasn't already dealt with them first. Toomai Glittershine eXemplary Logic 23:51, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Well, and admin hasn't dealt with them so that's why I told him that. Doc King (talk) 00:03, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Salad banned the IP before you posted that message on the IP's talk page and even then, an admin would have taken care of them regardless of whether or not you left the IP that message. Omega Tyrant 00:17, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry bout that Omega, didn't know! Doc King (talk) 00:23, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

This post

Exactly how did you get the idea that this was a good post. I know you're right, but that guy was clearly trolling. Responding to those kind of edits just causes trouble. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 23:01, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry Hawk. Doc King (talk) 23:56, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Your block

I have asked you many times to start putting more effort into your forum posts, especially the OPs. Instead, you continue to post one line responses and OPs with no content. Don't just say, I think Mario is going to rise because this guy got 2nd with him. Explain why that guy got second, and what about it will translate to Mario being more effective in the metagame. Describe his characteristics and how those make him a valuable character. A forum is only as good as the OP, and as none of your forums have had good OPs. While writing this, I realized that you probably thought you were putting actual content in by linking the video and saying this guy got 2nd. Therefore, I am shortening your ban, but I do want you to understand that one mention of a tourney and a link to a youtube video is not an acceptable OP. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 14:09, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I will put more effort into forums from now on. Now I'm going to edit more of that forum. Doc King (talk) 14:22, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Ivnvite to Smashfan Wiki

Doc, you got an invitation from ZS to come to the smashfan wiki with him. He wants something.-Ivy73 16:01, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for telling me Ivy. Doc King (talk) 16:06, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

SW:1RV

When someone reverts your edit, you do not revert their revert with no explanation. You bring the edit in question on the talk page if you disagree with the revert. Violate this policy again and you will get blocked. Omega Tyrant 02:30, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry OT! Doc King (talk) 02:34, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

You did it again! Apparently youre not sorry. Dont apoligize if youre just going to go and do it again. Doctor Pain 99 (CTE) 05:16, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Opinions for the next melee tier list

Can i put a tier list table on your opinion of the next tier list? (Mr. Game & Watch does not deserve to be bottom). Zeldasmash (talk) 23:01, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Sure. Doc King (talk) 23:45, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

I finished but i made some changes to it. Zeldasmash (talk) 00:31, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Well, can you change the things that they were before you changed them please? Doc King (talk) 01:03, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

SSBM Tier List #10
Top							High				Middle
1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10/11	10/11	12	13	14	15
	Low					Bottom
	16	17	18	19	20	21	22	23	24	25	26

You can have your list back, I don't want it. Doc King (talk) 01:05, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

And, ZS, please don't do something without permission on my page, I'll block you from my page if you do that again! Doc King (talk) 01:10, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Out of hand Doc. You don't threaten a user with a ban. However, you can tell an admin that he isn't listening to what you say next time.--MegaTron1XD 01:11, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Ok Mega sorry. And ZS, don't change a list and then say its mine, thats copyright! Doc King (talk) 01:18, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Oh......... Sorry did not know that. I did the little change you wanted me to do for the next tier list. (See your userpage, and also do not be pissed off, you gave me permission to do that, see below). Zeldasmash (talk) 01:22, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

YOU DID

You did give me permission to do that, remember when i asked you to put a table on you opinion for the next tier list, i meant that. Zeldasmash (talk) 01:14, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

But, I didn't give you permission to change anything! Doc King (talk) 01:28, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Oh i understood that backwards sorry. I though you wanted me to put the tier list in your userpage, sorry. Zeldasmash (talk) 01:30, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

No, I wanted you to put it in my page, I just didn't want you to make any changes to it. And once again, DON'T CHANGE IT!!!!! Doc King (talk) 01:32, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Can i put it on your tier list page? (you know where your other tier lists are) Zeldasmash (talk) 01:36, July 30, 2010 (UTC)