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Smash Back Room released its latest tier list. Discuss! – Masked! ^{^_^} 18:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm surpised that Falco dropped to 4th. I still say Ganondorf should be high tier rather than mid.--Richard^talk 19:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Falco was the biggest for me as well. Marth went up to second, though! Cheezperson {talk}stuff 22:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Weegee and DK moved up to middle. I always knew they had potential for it. And Captain Falcon is finally on high tier. And Mewtwo is not the worst anymore. Hurray! I was surprised how the Ice Climbers made it to high. Xeze (talk) 15:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

So lemme get this straight, a new forum section was added to the forums, just so these simple facts could be posted >:| ...... AAAAWESSOOOOME :D!!! Now I have even MORE places to post glitches, although idk if ALL of the glitches are ALREADY posted :(..... great, I just made a fool of myself... but NICE NEWS THOUGH :DDDDDD!!! YAY MARTH!!!TheLegendTamer (talk) 16:16, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Two questions come to mind:

• Why did Jiggs move up?
• Why DIDN'T Peach move down?

GalaxiaD (talk) 22:48, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Jiggs has the only WoP in melee, save the FoP of kirby. Peach is in the mid-tier in Brawl, how do you think she fares in melee, she has changed very little since melee and had less rivals in melee. TheLegendTamer (talk) 18:59, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Peach got some epic nerfs. --Shadowcrest 20:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

GalaxiaD, This is melee, not brawl. Peach can chaingrab space animals to a very high percentage and her down smash is arguably the most feared of ALL smashes because of it's priority, duration, knockback, and damaging potential, and guess what happens when you crouch cancel against her down smash? You get at least 70% damage right off the bat. Also her turnips leads great mindgames. I don't know what you have against Peach but Peach better than you think. Don't believe me? Go on youtube and check fantastic Peach players like Wife.

For Jiggs, Rest almost always K.O. Space Animal Slayer is just ridiculous, has WoP, has crazy edgeguarding potential, and has a lot priority.

Next time GalaxiaD, Know the characters potential before talking trash about them, and if you don't like the tier list, GO TO SWF AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE TIER LIST THERE. Chaos F15 (talk) 15:18, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't talking trash, I just asked why she didn't move down. And I actually am a member of SWF, but they kept ignoring me, so I stopped going there. - GalaxiaD (talk) 19:32, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

No offense GXD, but quite frankly, I don't think they care if ONE PERSON COMPLAINS. JtM =^] (talk) 19:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, just complaining on the forums is the wrong way to go about it. If you really think that a character is too low, go win some tourneys with him/her. If you think s/he is too high, keep beating him/her in tournaments. Results get noticed much more than complaints. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 20:10, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah !!! Marth is the best with Fox !!! I'm very happy ! Metalink187 (talk) 10:38, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I'm really surprised that Marth is #2 now, that makes me happy. I'm also happy that Pichu is now at the bottom of the tier list, although I didn't expect Mewtwo to move two spots up. I expected him to be 2nd to last. XD -ACDCGAMER (talk) 23:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

A lot of people love Mewtwo, I guess. - GalaxiaD (talk) 21:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Woohoo, Samus is da best. Top of middle tier. --Zidane-Tribal (talk) 18:01, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm surprised that Pichu was deemed worse than Kirby. Go figure. Ack-Tar (talk) 18:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Why Peach and Jiggs didn't move down

They may be feminine, but they are still very good characters. ParaGoomba348 (C'mon, just DIE!!!) 18:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Meh. - GalaxiaD (talk) 21:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

The real question is why Peach and Jiggs SHOULD be moved down? I don't see any reasons, so someone give me one (and a good one). Chaos F15 (talk) 02:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, Jiggs does have good air speed and a great edgeguarding game, but her ground game is horrible. Weak attacks (except for Rest), slow dash speed, very short range, and her floatiness make her easy to kill at low percentages. Unless you can make the battle purely air-based, you're gonna get mauled on the ground (unless you can grab a Spacie). And as for Peach, her only kill moves are F-Air and F-Throw. D-Smash can rack up a lot of damage and has good range and priority, but I've never seen it kill. And, much like Jiggs, she has a great air game but a bad ground game. She runs slow, has more weak attacks than strong ones, and despite having a great horizontal recovery, you're screwed if you get spiked. That's my reasoning for deeming them bad. - GalaxiaD (talk) 20:23, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

We've known about that for years now, though. If Peach and Jigglypuff should move anywhere, it's because of a change in the meta-game, or perhaps a change in the way we interpret the meta-game. I suspect Mang0 has more to do with Jigglypuff's upward movement than the abstract factors of Jigglypuff's air game. MaskedMarth (talk) 23:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree on those but SHFFL' completely helps out their weak ground game. Weak attacks=easy combo. Jiggs air speed and Peach's Float replaced their slow dash (Peach sometimes don't even need a approach if she's fighting someone with no projectiles like Ganon). Spikes are only deadly offstage and at high %. Also, Jiggs has forward smash, down-smash and WoP to kill off stage, while Peach has nair added to her arsenal.

Trust me, the Pros outweigh the cons for both Peach and Jiggs in a long run. Chaos F15 (talk) 00:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

If you say so. - GalaxiaD (talk) 02:56, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Have you seen Peach's turnip attack? That attack is Da Bomb! ParaGoomba348 (C'mon, just DIE!!!) 17:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

That's a rare occurence. - GalaxiaD (talk) 19:08, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I think thatt you're just biased about those particular characters. I've noticed in all your tier list, they are positioned at the bottom of each list. Considering you have never been in a tournament, it makes no sense for you to have ANY opinion on tiers since that is what a tier list is based on. You're pathetic. - Anon.

Excuse me? I believe I'm entitled to my opinion, troll. We live in a country called "America", where we're free to say what we feel. IMO, I believe Jiggs and Peach are not that good. No list of tourney placings is going to sway my view on that. From what I've experienced and seen, Peach and Jiggs seem rather weak. If you think differently, fine, but it gives you no right to personally attack me. Do it again, and I'll report you to an admin. Got it, chief? - GalaxiaD ^Talk 23:36, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe my "attack" was personal and for that matter, even an attack. It makes no sense how tournament rankings don't affect your compliation of a tier list. Hello, tournament rankings are the epitome of a tier list. If you don't incorporate them in your list, then don't call it a tier list. Call it a popularity contest or anything BUT a tier list. Peach has many different ways to counter a spike. Myself and many peach mainers easily counter a spike with her toad counter followed by a secondary jump and a beach bomber; Up B. AS far as weak attacks go, being able to auto float and use 15%+ dmg arials on the ground is FAR from weak. Floating is what makes peach a formidable opponent. NO one comes as close as peach when it comes to edge guarding. Her turnips also allow for GREAT lead-ins and the chances of pulling a stichface turnip or various items increase her versatility. I have participated in tourneys in San Diego with a first place finish and often second place as well. I wouldn't be able to if peach was the "lousy character" You made her out to be. I'd be GLAD to play you online with no hesitation. -Anon

"Last Tier List?"

With the way Brawl is going, I can't really see this being the last one. But right... Mewtwo is no longer the worst, Marth is at a tie for 1st, (At least that's what I choose to believe :P) Falco dropped two places... hmmm... everything else seems to be right... From Shadowball3. 1:15 P.M. November 1st.

God Smash Back Room, you put the OMG in OMG! YOU SUCK, MY LITTLE BROTHER LOVES KIRBY & HE'S SECOND TO THE BOTTOM NOW! FREAK YOU!

your little bro ain't important, I main Mewtwo, im not complaining. JtM =^] (talk) 15:26, 2 November 2008 (UTC)