Talk:Meta Knight (SSBB)/Archive 1

Too many pros repeated, or just worded differently. So i put them together. (good character but was lengthy with no need to be). Each character has same chance of pratfalling. Phayz (talk) 15:13, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Pros and Cons gone?

Where did all of the Pros and Cons go? Someone apparantly deleted them... -ACDCGAMER (talk) 01:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

new project, go read the new project for info. - 68.158.116.134 01:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I put in the pros and cons of MK. Doc King —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.128.121 (talk • contribs) 20:28, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

The pros/cons sections were intentionally removed, don't re-add them. Toomai Glittershine The Stats Guy 20:36, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Why not? And how come u always delete my stuff, I'm just trying to help with this site so don't delete my stuff or I'll delete yours! Doc King —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.128.121 (talk • contribs) 21:14, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

It was decided that having an attributes section was better than a pros/cons section, so they were all changed. Also, trying to threaten people is a really stupid idea that only gets users blocked. Toomai Glittershine eXemplary Logic 21:18, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

All Around Hyrule Jump

Jigglypuff can go around Hyrule? Not only do I want video proof of that, but I don't think that qualifies as the All Around Hyrule Jump.

new layout

The pros and cons where very helpful now it just looks like Dojo with and removes the point of this being a wiki. the melee and SSB pages have pros and cons still

Don't understand on how he's first place on tier.

Seriously... I still don't see how that happened.

your kidding right? how could you not?! everyone uses him so its a given that he would be first JtM =^] (talk) 17:38, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Let's list his cons (which got removed >_> ) and deconstruct them:

• Light and easily KO'd (fourth lightest, along with Pikachu).

-Does this matter when Meta Knight prevents you from hitting him?

• Mach Tornado does not auto-grab the ledge, rather it bounces off.

-Meta Knight already has 6 jumps and a Glide. It won't be difficult to mash through edgeguarders with the Mach Tornado.

• Most of his attacks lack KO power.

-He comboes well enough to kill anyway. This video should explain quite well.

• Reliant on edge-guarding for early kills.

-See above.

• Crouching gives him almost no vertical height reduction.

-How often do you crouch to dodge attacks. Let alone considering Meta Knight's small size?

• Very poor air speed but Glide can help this.

-If it was poor, Meta Knight would be lower, though probably by a bit.

• Lacks projectiles.

-Tornado at the very least to make up for that.

• All specials put Meta Knight into helpless state in mid-air (except Shuttle Loop)

-Could be useful to exploit, except Meta Knight already can abuse A moves, and has control of a couple of the B moves. Oh, and Shuttle Loop still puts Meta Knight into helpless state, as if that helps.

There we go. Not very viable weaknesses for all the strengths Meta Knight has. MasterKnight (talk) 03:32, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Um... I seriously do not see how meta knight got first place. It is true that his attacks are really fast and that he does have a good recovery, but he really lacks a killing move. I have a hard time knocking a character out with his smashes unless I am near an edge or follow them to the end of the screen. Meta Knight is 11th on my list of Brawl characters. This means I can easily beat Meta Knight with Bowser, Snake, Wario, Samus, Diddy Kong, Fox, Captain Falcon, Mario, Donkey Kong, and especially Sonic. I'm sorry, but Meta Knight does not stand a chance against Sonic. His atacks may be pretty quick, but Sonic is actually pretty good at dodging and recovering from repeated attacks not to mention that he does at least have some good smashes. Sonic should be first place and I will tell you why...

He is fast His attacks are a bit faster than normal His smashes are pretty good at knockback and are repeatable His dash attack is very useful His recoveries are very good His throws are pretty good for his size His final smash is the best in the game (if you can control him)

First off, there are no smash balls in tourneys. Secondly, Meta Knight certainly doesnt lack a kill move (Dsmash anyone?). When you search a Sonic vs. MK vid on youtube, how many times do you see a video of Sonic winning? Rarely ever. Sonic=good smashes? hah! his Usmash sucks, his Fsmash has high starting and ending lag, and Dsmash isnt powerful. MK's smashes meet all the criteria of good smashes, quick powerful, low lag. I'm sorry, but MK has a much higher advantage over Sonic JtM =^] (talk) 02:13, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Um, just to tell you, not everybody posts their game on youtube. I wish I could, but I lack a camera and the internet. I myself personally never saw a fight between these two on youtube, but when I play, it is no constest. The only move that I tend to get nailed by is Meta Knight's tornado and regular attack (very quick and can rack up damage). I can easily avoid these moves by spindash, spincharge, homing attack, and foward dash attack (really useful as I like to knock him back and forth before he gets a chance to fight back). If I do get caught in his first normal fast attack (I'm sorry, I don't know smash talk yet) all that I have to do is use spring jump to get out of it and then spike him with Sonic's down a attack whick very useful at attacking him then in the air. And just to tell you, I always fight a level 9 Meta Knight, so do not accuse me of fighting an easy character. Also, I believe you give little credit to Sonic's smashes. I'll discuss it later. LOAP

Sonic does have one or two good smashes, I'll give him that, but his priority problems can get him in serious trouble. Plus, don't base your claims off of battles with a CPU; even level 9s. I bested two lvl 9s MKs with R.O.B., but this doesn't mean R.O.B. is better. Battle a knowledgeable MK user before you make these claims. (Shield+Man) (talk) 03:29, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm awful at the game but can beat a lv 9 MK with Captain Falcon, matches against CPU opponents are barely worth mentioning. I personally prefer Lucario, Marth and Ike to MK, but that's only cause I can't seem to use MK properly myself. If he wins all the tournaments, he's the best character. Impetus (talk) 11:15, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Seriously. WTF. Meta Knight is the BEST character in the game. I can beat ANYONE with Meta Knight. Except some of my friends...but level 9's are like level 1's if ur using MK. Seriously people. WTF. MetaKnight848 (talk) 05:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

You know when you claim that MK is the best and you can beat anyone, except some of your friends. This means that characters have nothing to do with it, skill does. Your friends just so happen to be better than you. Personally I've beat everyone I've played, and I play with Ike. So does that make Ike the best? Of course not!! It just means that I have some considerable amount of Skill with Ike. I do understand how MK is first place on the tier, the people who play as him happen to have the best skill. If those people chose to play as sonic then sonic would be best, or if they chose to play as any other character then that character would be the best. He's the best man. I beat him(along with just kirby) to beat Tabuu. without dying except when he got out his wings....Malon girl5 (talk) 23:29, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

PRO"S AND CONS!

what's wrong with them!? they are great, like graphs- easy to read info! i don't care if they are immature!

Taunta

Can someone please post up Sir Meta Knight's taunts please! --Zookah (talk) 16:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Up taunt - Disappears into his cape, and it shrinks horizontally while spinning. Has invincible properties when he has shrunk into the cape.
Side taunt - Says "Fight me!" and slashes his sword twice before pointing it in the direction he is facing.
Down taunt - Opens his wings and and says "Come!" 92.233.156.165 17:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)ZoDanma

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wtf when did fox,diddy and g&w when did get a even match with MK

MK has 60:40 vs Diddy

MK has 60:30 vs fox

MK has 60:40 vs G&WDarkspatan117 (talk) 01:08, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Source? Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 18:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Why

Why is he banned in Italy? 72.35.124.40 14:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Pretty much because he is too powerful, and is considered unfair there. BEN!

PPL he ain't banned in Italy, It says it in the article that only 1/3 of the votes were to kick Meta out of Tourneys so he stays as one of the tourney characters. Doc King (Don't have an account)

Meta Knight

I like Meta Knight!--71.80.8.126 23:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC) me 2, he's awsome! fight me!Malon girl5 (talk) 23:31, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Banning in Italy

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you sure Meta Knight is banned in Italy? I heard that it was merely a mistranslation of a poll asking whether Meta Knight should be banned. 92.237.21.186 17:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC) no your right hes not banned they thought he was38.116.192.100 19:32, March 3, 2010 (UTC)im unregestered

Unused sound

Has anyone else heard of the sound of him saying, "Now my power is without rival," in the game's data? This is not in the sound test part, but was found. I want to confirm before I post it.

Source please. METEORITE (t)

http://Fortenium0.googlepages.com/MetaKnight-US-Nowmypower.wav Think this is fine to use here? Fortenium (talk) 01:23, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

How do we know this was said in the game? JtM =^] (talk) 04:51, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

This was in a zip dump of all sounds in Super Smash Bros. Brawl and all of Meta Knight's sounds were there, but this one was never used. Not only is it there, but you can't fake this unless you're the man who voiced Meta Knight. Plus this is the one game where Meta Knight has a voice actor, so this is not from a different game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fortenium (talk • contribs) 18:40, 26 November 2008

sounds like a victory pose. - Gargomon251 (talk) 23:14, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

It probably was going to be. So, think I should put this in the Trivia part or is it best left off here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.67.168.133 (talk • contribs) 07:45, 23 December 2008

WTF people.

WTF. Meta Knight is awesome. For you bastards that hate him, you are all bitches. If you like him, then you're awesome. And apparently, some Meta Knight hater changed his page, so if that goddamn person is reading this, he is a MOTHERF***INGBITCH. and I HARDLY EVER SWEAR. so consider yourself unlucky if I swear at you.MetaKnight848 (talk) 05:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

This is a family-friendly wiki for people of all ages - kindly adjust your language appropriately. Calling another user, even if they are an IP, a "motherf***ingbitch" is a personal attack. I appreciate that you're fairly new to wikiing, having made fewer than ten edits so far, which is why I thought that a warning was more appropriate than a block. However, if you ignore this warning and personally attack another user again, you may be blocked from editing for a period of time. No matter how justified your anger is, you should never express it like that. PenguinofDeath 07:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

About the whole edit thing, I think the person you're talking about is me that edited the page. But I only changed the text of his down tilt, saying that he can psuedo crawl with it, but I don't hate Meta Knight, I actually play often as him. I'm sorry if you got offended by the edit. I do it for the good of SmashWiki. VideoGameBoy (talk) 11:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC+1)

It wasn't you. The edits in question (this one, this one, and this one) inserted extremely offensive material into the article. MetaKnight848 was saying that because Meta Knight is so clearly such a good character, it seems bizarre that people would want to scrawl obscenities all over the page (though he put it slightly less delicately). Don't worry, it wasn't an attack on you, you weren't even involved. PenguinofDeath 11:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Whoops, sorry for the misunderstanding. It was because I recently slightly edited his page about his down tilt, thinking it was against me. Anyway, I find it very offensive that people even edit pages like that. It is such a scandal. But anyways, have a nice day. VideoGameBoy (talk) 13:37, 2 August 2009 (UTC+1)

@VideoGameBoy: Just as a brief aside, please sign your comments by placing ~~~~ at the end of your comment only, not at the start, otherwise it just looks messy. Thanks, PenguinofDeath 12:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the fact that some people said MK has no kill moves, I strongly disagree. His D smash is rather power, and so are his side smashes. Also, not sure how many people know, but MK's N air is actually powerful, and I easily keep people from recovering with it. Also, given MK's multiple jumps, in addition to the excellent shuttle loop, you can hit your opponent several times with the N air, and make it back safely yourself. 63.98.47.67 13:58, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

About 3 aerials in one short hop

Luigi can do it, I've tested it. The nair can still hit opponents. It's just that the nair can't be lag canceled (but it has almost no lag). Firewario (talk) 15:27, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

That's good to know - I've just updated the Lucario (SSBB) and Luigi (SSBB) articles to match the Meta Knight (SSBB) article. PenguinofDeath 15:42, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Who uses Luigi?He only made it into one game EVER and it bad. Luigi's mansion was a waste of monry for me....

Main page trivia?

I've seen the main page's Did you know section, and I see that MK's dash can actually help avoid banana peels. Is this in the article as well? Didn't want to put a repeat-fact there, though I just wanted to make sure it wasn't in it already? HavocReaper48 (talk) 22:38, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't in the article before, but it is now. PenguinofDeath 23:58, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Noobs

Only noobs use meta knight. It's freaking overpowered and requires no skill to use. It should be totally banned.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.156.207.76 (talk • contribs)

U madd?Smoreking^(T) _(c) 19:42, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

=0 That wouldn't be fair in tournys. What if people are ONLY good with Meta Knight? Or what if it was an only M.K. tournament??HavocReaper48 (talk) 21:56, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Everyone keeps saying this. But wouldn't that mean Fox from Melee and Pikachu from SSB should be banned too? And how is your statement constructive here? You aren't suggesting anything. 98.117.158.220 01:28, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Soo are you calling some of the best smashers there is NOOBS!? Spinodontosaurus (talk) 19:59, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

This is not true because Mew2King plays Meta Knight and he is considered one of the best players in the world. Although many of them are cheap spammers, some people who play him are very good and famous. Doc King (Don't have an account) wow, there's a lot of critism...

Techniques

I remember all the fighters had a list of techniques on their pages. What happened to them? I was going to put them back but I don't want to cause controversy. The techniques sections were helpful. Meta Knight has many good techniques such as his pseudo-crawl and double glide. Does anyone have an opinion on this? 98.117.158.220 02:02, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Removed as part of the post-merge cleanup project, replaced by Attributes. Miles (talk) 02:42, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

I phail with MK!

This is very surprising but I fail with mk. I play better with the other characters like Sonic and Fox. Doc King (no account) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.147.155 (talk • contribs) 00:42, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

This is not the place for babbling. And sign your comments with ~~~~ (and that only), whether you have an account or not. Toomai Glittershine The Stats Guy 00:45, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry Toomai, I was just saying this to see how I can improve with him and if tiers really do exist. Doc King

also btw thanks for helping me with this site, I really appriciate it. Doc King

No. This is not the place to talk about tiers. Tiers are proven to exist. Please bring this elsewhere. 98.111.95.78 18:25, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

It's a discussion page smart one. You're allowed to talk about anything MK related. Doc King —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.128.121 (talk • contribs) 20:28, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

No. This is supposed to be a discussion page about how to improve the article. This is not a forum, go to SmashBoards for that. And sign your posts with ~~~~. Toomai Glittershine The Stats Guy 20:36, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Pit vs. Meta Knight

Hmm... One would think that Pit would be the answer to Meta Knight.

Pit and Meta Knight are fairly similar in terms of abilities. Pit's multiple reflections definately help out in a battle, especially since one of them blocks all physical attacks and spins the character around as well. Pit also has a very cheap and eeasily spammable arrow which can be charged or fired immediately, can hit the whole screen, is controllable and have interruption ability. Metal Knight has a better Up B, a better Smash, and multiple recoveries. However, they all leave him helpless, and he is a little lighter.

Each has one area they are better at than the other. If they are fairly similar, then I am wondering why Meta Knight is significantly higher on the list.

To clarify, Meta Knight is in his own Tier, Tier S, the higest one possible. Pit is in Tier C, along with my main character, Toon Link. I'm wondering why Pit is so much lower on the list than Meta Knight. 205.56.210.194 01:17, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

First of all, this doesn't belong here. Second, Meta is faster, so good luck KOing him. Third, Pit doesn't have Tornado. 98.111.95.78 01:31, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

That alone is enough to make Pit plummet halfway down the list? I'm not a Pit main, but seems rather harsh for a character that is reasonably smiliar to Meta Knight. Playing against Pit is fairly annoying, because you have to deal with infinite range arrows that can be curved, preventing proper reflection and able to hit enemies in odd places, even straight up. Multiple refelctions, including one that renders all physical attacks null and spins the target around, plus gliding and multiple jumps like Meta Knight. (Meta Knight and Pit both have a few advantages and disadvantages over each other. Seems to me like it would be a fairly even match up. (Once again, I am saying this as a player who does not main MK or Pit.) I just would like to know why there is such a disparity between the two, I am not arguing or debating. 205.56.210.194 01:39, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Meta Knight is not similar to Pit in any way other than the wings. Pit's reflectors don't work on MK because he has no projectiles. Finally, Tier positions are not based on individual matchups, so even if they were equal, MK would still be higher because he counters everyone else. 98.111.95.78 01:59, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

The reason why Pit isn't high tier is his lack of KO power. Pit only has two attacks that can consistently KO under 150%, his f-smash and his bair. When sweetspotted, his bair is one of the strongest aerials in the game but if it is sourspotted, it is exceedingly weak. On top of that, his bair is difficult to sweetspot, especially on short opponents like Meta Knight. His f-smash may be the fastest f-smash in the game but it is a two-hit smash and if the first hit lands while the second doesn't, it still gets weakened by stale-move negation. Meta Knight on the other hand, has his awesome d-smash (could be the best d-smash in the game), f-smash, nair, glide attack, the deadly Shuttle Loop semi-spike, and the WoP dair semi-spike. As you can see, Meta Knight is better at recovering, is much harder to edgeguard, is a much better edgeguarder, can rack up damage even more efficiently, and Meta Knight has a much easier time KOing opponents then Pit. That is why Meta Knight is S tier while Pit is C tier. Omega Tyrant (talk) 02:19, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. 205.56.210.194 22:19, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. Just be sure to check a character's arsenal more throughly before making such claims in the future.Omega Tyrant (talk) 06:08, April 20, 2010 (UTC)