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Hey, I know we have bad history, etc. but you have to do something about Semicolon and Clarinet Hawk. People are leaving this place because they choose to bully people they place in their negative opinion, this leads to things like RAN and I leaving this place. We were good contributors, and I did deserve my block for socking/asshattery, but RAN was actually helping (as much as he and I do not along). Major contributors leaving will make a dent in the wiki's community and its activity. You, Smoreking, and Miles do your best to keep this place organized, official, and in shape, but it seems like the two stooges mess all of that up. If you want proof of their actions, just ask me. I can rally up some links for you. This is a serious matter. If these two don't stop, they'll have to BE stopped. I'm surprised no one is bothered with this. I thought I might need to pitch in (someone unlocked the IP). Cheez provided the link to the blog (that was recently deleted) and I took a peek, which was the first "peek" in a while. You've had arguments with him before; you know how he is. He's basically me with power, to be brutally frank. I know I'm not the only one who sees this. No user can exist peacefully as an editor if they're being constantly harassed by admins, in which they can do nothing in their defense. 67.10.177.73 02:55, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Also, if you want something done about blog problems, contact Wikia's staff. 67.10.177.73 02:57, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

I need to go to sleep in like 3 minutes so I'll reply to your other post tomorrow or something but PoD contacted wikia this evening (afaik) so it should be resolved soon <3 Shadowcrest 02:58, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

We don't need to disable blogs; we need to disable internet drama. Miles (talk) 03:23, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Miles: tbph, we need to disable blogs...

Shadowcrest: Yes, I contacted Wikia.

IP: I disagree - evidence would suggest that the slump that the wiki is in at the moment is not directly the fault of CHawk and/or Semi. Daily edit count has been coming down for quite a while now and there are fewer things to do round here so users leave as they feel they are no longer needed. How many users can you name who have been bullied off the wiki by CHawk and/or Semi? PenguinofDeath 14:02, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

IP, I'm presuming you are BNK. Here's a newsflash: if the wiki was actually important then users leaving would be a big deal. But it's not. It's a wiki. The content will remain preserved no matter what anybody does, and the content will remain if every user leaves. I'm not concerned about activity, because in truth, what else is there to do? And who really wants to spend hours of their life deleting or flagging crew/smasher pages? If that's your thing then go at it, but turns out that it's really dull and annoying and I don't blame anybody for not wanting to do it. I'm grateful when they do, but really, I don't give a damn about edits to character pages and trivia sections and trophies and what is more or less plaque on the actual pages people read. That's what RAN was doing in terms of "content" contributing, and when he wasn't editing talk pages pointlessly outside of that he was being a nuisance. Now, I think I know what this is really about, and it's not about the wiki. It's about you feeling spurned and angry at me/Chawk. Here's something you probably weren't expecting, but here it is: I'm sorry I was a douche to you. Half the time you didn't do anything to deserve the cruelty, but I was overly cruel on multiple occassions. I was still right most of the time I chastized you, but I didn't need to be so damn mean while making those points. But here's something else. If you feel spurned by this place then here's a life lesson: don't take it personally. It's the internet. Not real life. Real life matters, but only infrequently. The internet only matters if you make it matter. I don't bear any ill will to you, but the truth is you were a net-negative contributor. You added content, yes, but in general you caused a lot of wikidrama we didn't need. You made fusses about stuff that you should have let lie, and you acted personally affronted every time somebody said or did something nasty in your direction. I'm sorry you were emotionally injured by Smashwiki but it's time to move on. You can blame me for a decline in activity, but I'd like to see you prove it. I stopped coming here with any frequency last May. Back then the wiki was fine in terms of activity level. The truth is the activity level has gone down because there isn't anything else to write about. The game has been out for nearly 2 years and most of what can be written about it already has been. Is that so hard to believe? Semicolon (talk) 20:37, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, even I can respect the apology from Semicolon. Now that you mention it, there isn't much left to do on this wiki... Kperfekt ^{BURN!!! Revert That!} 21:26, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Semicolon, I accept your apology. It's just sometimes you need to chill out when dealing with idiots. Wasn't it you who said that arguing with them only brings you down to their level? when an IP visits the wiki and makes blogs about fake glitches or vandalizes pages with "I like this character!", all you need to do is realize that that person IS an idiot and leave it at that. Block him for however long you feel necessary if he continues to be a vandal. I never knew RAN was a problem until now; usually SK or Cheezperson have positive feedback about him from IRC. Things have been written, but we can still re-word it better, too. I too am sorry for being an asshat.

Penguin, I didn't mean to sound as if I blamed Semicolon and Clarinet Hawk for the loss of users. In truth, people left due to the drama + nothing being able to be done (not a lot, at least). Clarinet Hawk and Semicolon's only problems were the way they handled users... OK, how they handled idiots. Most of that involved unnecessary flaming, etc., but hopefully from now on things will change. This place can be a network used by AiB's community; Miles has helped advertise it. Really, there wasn't much wrong with how you use your powers, it was how you talked to people. Like I said, let's hope for something more positive from here on out. :) And yes, I'm BNK. 67.10.177.73 23:19, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

I certainly have to chime in on this discussion. I understand and agree with everything this user has written, including his concession. I too, concede to my obvious shortcomings as a contributor. Lastly, I appreciate Semi's blanket apology. -But that's it.

The FACT is, These two mods rule this site with a douchebag fist. I've tried to come to terms with this, and I suppose I have, but the fact remains.

Semicolon, your apology is entirely neutralized by your established and direct mentality that "shit happens" and no one is to blame. In so much as you can tell others to get over it, they can also tell you off for it. The greater truth here is that: the internet, real life, and this website, ARE what PEOPLE MAKE THEM.

I know for a fact that people bitterly despise you two for your very poor manners. I can't speak for them, but I, for one, have most definitely decreased my activities on this site (which I still know has VERY much more potential) as a direct result of CHawk and Semicolon's relentless .... well, I can't even think of the word for their completely unneeded, unwanted, unappreciated, and down right unacceptable.... asshole-ness.

But I also know that what Shadowcrest has said is true: "Jerks will be jerks". These two are, through and through, jerks. -And they will never change. Therefor, it is entirely up to the rest of us to deal with them. Whether that means simply continued abuse, or justified reprimand; it's on us.

I do what I can for this site of the game I most love, which is ALL anyone can ask. Say what you will about me. I am NICE.

-Zixor (talk) 20:51, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I certainly have to chime in on this discussion. Zixor, let me give you some truth. Not every contributor contributes only valuable things, not every troll contributes only crap. A lot of the edits you made were disruptive or lacked a discernable point. I don't see decreased activity by people who made numerous edits of marginal value as a bad thing. If Platonism is real, then what I imagine in my head is the ideal, the true SmashWiki. Quoth the great philosopher Luke Skywalker 'If there's a bright center of the universe, you're on the planet that's farthest from'. Such is SmashWiki. You dig? Semicolon (talk) 23:42, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

"These two mods rule this site with a douchebag fist." Where have you been for the past six months? They hardly edit any more. The active Admins are now Shadowcrest, Smoreking, Miles and me, and we don't "rule this site with a douchebag fist". And cut out the PAs. This discussion was entirely civil, and even included two users who've been antagonizing each other for years apologize for their behavior, then you come along and start calling people jerks. I fail to see what made you think "I certainly have to chime in", and that your response was appropriate. PenguinofDeath 21:41, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I see that, as usual, my main points were disregarded. Semicolon, I do so love your "truths"; they are so educational. Especially the ones that are entirely obvious. As for my causing disruption or lacking points, I'd be quite pleased to go through each and every edit on a case by case basis, slowly trying to figure out how that could possibly be true. -Were my contributions what most would consider to be substantial? I greatly doubt it. -And if that was all that mattered in life (or, SW; as you seem to consider it a separate entity), the crap you dole out would be totally justified. I can of course assume that those people who made your standard of marginal edits were not also trolled to death by the likes of you, and so did continue to contribute. --I thought a mere one or two PA's of my own were entirely justified by your own, which still continue in a steady stream. Maybe I should try a different technique with such a ..."unique" foe.... : "I'm making fun of you. I'm right. You're a loser. That's the way it is. You're a loser." -Sound familiar?

-Penguin; I made it pretty clear where I haven't been recently, and why. (MAIN POINT). Though I have still monitored and made "various and marginal" edits, flying under the CH/SC radar (the ONLY two who have really ..."expressed" having a problem with me). If it's true that CHAWK AND SEMI have and will actually stop actively fucking with people (me), then I'll of course edit more. As for you not understanding the "chime", apology, resolve, or even point of my edit? -That really is your failing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zixor (talk • contribs) 19:49, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Zixor, here's an idea: if you really have so many problems with this site, stop coming to it. Seriously, since the day you made your account all I have seen out of you is bitching about how this site is run/maintained/has a face. If you really hate this site and the people on it, stop editing/coming. But that's not all I have to say. I'm really sick of your thought that we are going around bullying people. I can count one person that I may have somewhat bullied to get to leave the site, and I will still contend that that was for the best, even if it's something I do regret doing and don't plan to ever do again. Instead, your definition of bullying seems to include anyone who continuously argues their points that disagree with yours and uses actual rhetoric and logic is constructing their arguments. Also, your "marginal edits" were not trolled until you basically refused to accept that there is a professional scene for this game. Let me give you a little history lesson. SmashWiki was started in part by smashboards (and also in part by wikia) before the merge. In fact, it was intended to be an encyclopedia for Smash, including a large amount of information on the professional scene. I will also take this moment to point out that information as it pertains to the high-level play is much easier to verify than some random idea/thought/technique from the casual circles. So, yes, I do hold the professional scene in higher regard than the casual scene, even after only being a part of the latter for more than a year and only ever being tangentially associated with the professional scene. I have an obligation to what this site was (is) about, and a large part of that means keeping the information to the standards that would be accepted on SmashBoards. So when a user with two posts waltzes in and tells me that we should start talking about how things are "unfair" I really don't care. Then we enter into a discussion about why I (and the wiki) shouldn't care, you provide no evidence except to restate your points, tell me that my evidence isn't valid because I'm using it to support my argument (what else am I supposed to do with it?), and then say that I am bullying you because I am winning the argument. Yes, that pisses me off. If me arguing my points with you and you not being able to refute what I am saying is "bullying" in your mind, then yes I am bullying you. But that's not what bullying is. By your logic, Obama bullied McCain, Lincoln bullied Douglas, and Clarance Darrow bullied every attorney he ever faced. Oh, and when you say "I'd be quite pleased to go through each and every edit on a case by case basis" this is about the fifth time that I remember you saying something to the effect of "I could go through and provide examples and evidence, so you should accept my argument even though I'm not going to support it." That's a great way to argue. Good post. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 23:28, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Don't mean to butt in here but I would also like you to note, Zixor, that there are currently no active bans out on any users who commonly edited. BNK used to be, but frankly, BNK was and is, pound for pound, a much better contributor than you ever were. All you did was add useless suggestions to talk pages and never really helped the wiki become more informative. BNK has made serious contentful contributions to this wiki. That's my point. Your suggestions were not accomplishing anything. You would say 'I would like to see audio profiles of all the characters'. That's great. Who will help me grind the wheat, or bake the bread? You just wanted to eat the bread. If you seriously had ever wanted to make this wiki a better place, you would have taken your suggestions and turned them into action and legitimiate contributions. Instead you said you would have liked to see it which didn't help anybody. That's why I always 'bullied' you by telling you I didn't care about your suggestions. Because you weren't helping anyone. What is there for me to care about, or say about things like that? Would you have liked me to congratulate you? If you would like me to do that for you in the future I will. Semicolon (talk) 01:36, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

The sentence "They hardly edit any more." countered every one of your points, because your comment was attempting to make out that their behavior is currently causing serious problems on the wiki, when in fact they haven't been around enough to cause such mischief. Activity on the wiki has been declining, but, at the same time, CHawk and Semi's activity has been declining. Quick warning in response to the general tone of your comment: if you keep talking to people like that, CHawk and Semi won't be the only ones expressing having a problem with you. If you have a problem with the Administrators, lobby for a removal of their powers. Otherwise, either stop talking about how you don't trust them and continue editing the wiki, or leave. Simple as that. PenguinofDeath 21:58, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, see what happens when huge projects come along? I vanish, and stuff like this happens. Anyway, Zixor, Penguin is right. Semi and CHawk have been declining in activity, and have been declining even more in their so-called "ruling with a douchebag fist" or however it was you said it. In hindsight, I can see how many people would have a problem with Semi and Clarinet. However, as you can see above, Semicolon has since improved in overall kindness. And to be honest, both are actually quite lenient. Have you seen how many users ignore UTPG? And how most don't even get a warning for it? I think that's pretty good. Now, by the looks of it, Clarinet Hawk and Semicolon don't really have a problem with you, they only will if you antagonize them.L33t Silvie ^{I see wat u did thar...}

*sigh* Fine, whatever. I sincerely apologize for all of my wrongdoings, useless suggestions and edits, and all other annoyances. From here on out: I will never comment on any talk page again. If you don't like my edit, undo it; I won't waste your time antagonizing with flawed logic. I will not defend. I will never take anything as a personal attack, nor make any. If there are any other problems, I will cease those as well. Zixor (talk) 15:04, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

It's finally getting to you, I see

The wiki is becoming self aware. Quickly, let's merge Spear Pillar with the main page or else stupidity will reign here forever lolololol Semicolon (talk) 07:08, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

tiers

You should add a disclaimer to all character's articles saying that things said in the article means nothing given the user's pure effectiveness with the character. It's in the wrong for someone who wants to learn about Ganondorf and finds nothing but complaints, then refuse to even touch him. It's also a disgrace to us Ganondorf fans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SSBC (talk • contribs) 20:52, February 27, 2010

There aren't "nothing but complaints", there are truths as to why Ganon sucks. His jump is short, no matter how good you are, etc. Don't take it personally. I main Zelda. She's low tier too, and while I may somewhat disagree with her exact placement, I accept that she isn't the best character in the game and in a perfect skill balance, she loses to better characters. But I know that I still play my best with her, so I deal with it. You should learn to do the same with Ganon. Oh, and tiers aren't meaningless in the face of skill. Yes, skill can be more important, but you are a total idiot if you think that there is no way that the innate pros and cons of characters doesn't matter. Here's an example. My friend Shane is one hell of a hunter and a damn good shot. So let's say he and I go head to head and he has a bow and arrow (which he is very good with) and I have a M4 (which, while I can shoot, I don't know that much about). Even though the M4 is clearly better, my money is on Shane. But now say I've got the Farsight from PerfectDark. That thing is so much better (auto-aim, shoot through walls) that his skill don't mean crap. The first example is kinda like the Zelda v. Ganon match-up, the second is basically Ganon v. Meta Knight. Tiers exist whether you like them or not. And the next time you say something to the effect of "you can ban me for saying this..." I will take it as you requesting to be banned. If you think you are going to be banned for saying something, then you shouldn't be saying it. And if you don't think you're going to be banned for saying it, why are you prefacing it with such nonsense in the first place? Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 05:11, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

I propose that such a disclaimer would insinuate that the average user has no common sense. Toomai Glittershine The Stats Guy 21:06, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

This wiki is meant to present information, not make you feel good about a crap character. Also, Toomai.Smoreking^(T) _(c) 21:30, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Aw, you three beat me to it. Miles (talk) 18:48, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Is this a mockery? Taking only little snippets of what I said then having mod after mod accuse me of being completely in the wrong? I find this quite offensive, Clarinet. Also, I feel that this is quite useless, as I have already re-joined in a different username. I'm sorry, but I don't think that this should really even be here anymore. MAGMA (talk) 18:18, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but we keep all talk page content. DP99 (CTE) 18:41, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

My name isn't Clarinet and why are you posting in a section that is 4 months old? Shadowcrest 21:36, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

He's SSBC, and he's talking to CHawk. DP99 (CTE) 21:38, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't even post this here, I don't think. MAGMA (talk) 22:24, July 18, 2010 (UTC) --User was temp banned for this post

Even though it should be obvious, I'm going to chime in on why I gave a one day ban for this post. If you are not even sure that you are editing with your account, it means one of two things. Either your edits are even meaningful enough to you for you to remember typing multiple paragraphs of text on an admins page, or that someone has hacked your account and is using it maliciously. There are other things, but these are the two most probable. If it is the first, take the day off and make better edits tomorrow. If it is the second one, I will ban this account now so you can make a new one that only you have the password to. As it stands, using a sock to bump your own four month old resolved conversation and then claim that you don't think you posted the bump is more than deserving of a day off. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 23:11, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I guess I do see how this can bother you. I apologize and though I felt you may have misunderstood me a bit, I'll leave it alone. MAGMA (talk) 16:25, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

i'm in love with vanessa carlton

the topic headline has no relevance but I REMEMBER YOU I THINK and your fancy fonted name! help me :| HELP ME FIX MY BRAWL? i will do anything... Ike6481 (talk) 21:36, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

I honestly have no clue how to help you. My wii/game does the same thing; it reads everything but Brawl perfectly well, and it won't read Brawl unless I insert something else first/insert Brawl backwards first/etc. I believe Semicolon had the same problem but it magically resolved itself (?). If I hear anything more I'll let you know.

Also I would just like to note how odd it is that you remember me in particular. >_> Shadowcrest 20:28, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

hahahaa, it's a weird weird weird problem :')

and i dunno why i remember you, i reckon it's just the fancy signature Ike6481 (talk) 12:11, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Re:why

Because I didnt know he actually got blocked. I thought that users who do vandalism recieved one or two warnings in their talk page before getting blocked. Since his talk page was empty, I though nobody blocked him yet. As I can see in his block log, we wont have any problem with him before at least 8 years.

--Mr Alex (T) 01:13, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

SalaComMander's signiture

← moved to User talk:SalaComMander

RE: hi

Thanks. {{SUBST:Nosubst|Signatures/Tienjt0}} 13:43, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Woops, my signature seems messed up...

I think the code you want in preferences is {{subst:User:Tienjt0/Sig}}, and make sure you have the custom signature box enabled. Shadowcrest 13:48, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that I edit another wiki (far more often than this one, unfortunately :p) that uses the template space for signatures... and it looks like our signatures apply across all wikis. User:Tienjt0/Sig 13:53, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

I know the feeling- I once edited GWiki a lot, and wikia really does make things a bitch... but it looks like you've got it all worked out :> Shadowcrest 13:55, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yep. >.< User:Tienjt0/Sig 13:57, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

You're right

I messed up a bit with all of this. I'll back off and do what I can to get semi to. Seriously, I have been blowing off steam about my thesis and didn't realize that this was getting taken the wrong way. Sorry if I offended you or anyone else on the wiki. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 03:41, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I've just spent nearly an hour furiously detailing on IRC exactly why I was so livid, and I think Semi bought into it (through frankly I'm never quite sure whether or not he really agrees with me or is feeding me a line of shit to make me shut up), so if he tells you anything that doesn't seem like me bitching up a storm it isn't true.

But really though, thanks. Shadowcrest 04:28, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

that policy proposal you linked to on your user page

can we do it? Semicolon (talk) 03:22, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Most SmashWiki policies are based accurately on GW's rolf. BNK ^[E|T|C] 12:25, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

This is funny because the other day RAN was criticizing me for caring about editing the wiki too much. Shadowcrest 19:46, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

And today I'm criticizing you for caring about what RAN has to say. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 19:49, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

↑{sarcasm} Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 19:51, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

I'd have agreed with you so much more if you hadn't been sarcastic. Shadowcrest 21:03, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Omega Tyrant

Thanks for taking care of that one. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 20:54, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

np...? Shadowcrest 21:44, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

I had meant to do it, but had to leave town so I couldn't get to it as soon as I wanted to. Oh, and before you get your pants twisted, this edit summary was a joke. K, thx, bye. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 01:38, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't have noticed until you pointed it out, but thanks for preempting my rage. Shadowcrest 20:53, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

hey man

I'd like to talk to you about something on the IRC channel. It isn't anything big, but I feel more comfortable discussing it there than here out in the open. You've been gone for a while, and I've seen you recently, but you aren't on the IRC channel much. Respond here when you're ready, I'll be here most of the day. BNK ^[E|T|C] 18:28, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'm on now if you want to get on. Shadowcrest 19:35, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

o/

I know, right? It's disturbing. And get on messenger sometime. I haven't heard from you in aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages, dude. PenguinofDeath 09:21, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, I'm not the one who's never available... :p Shadowcrest 19:18, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Also, I'm in Florida and my laptop is borked and I can't install MSN, and then I leave again for 10 days after I'm home for ~1 day during which I won't have a laptop. IRC plx? :p Shadowcrest 19:44, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Made up Tier Lists Forums

Can I please have the stuff back that was in the section? I'll move it to my user page if you want! Doc King (talk) 16:28, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

All the stuff that was in that section was moved to other sections. Nothing was deleted other than the ability to classify forums as "made-up tier lists". Toomai Glittershine The Stats Guy 16:40, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

IRC

Can you please unblock me from Irc, I'm sorry about what I said. Doc King (talk) 01:35, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

I doubt that. Unless you decided not to be homophobic within the past 5 or so minutes, nothing has changed. I might unban you eventually. Shadowcrest 01:38, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry of what I've said Salad, I promise I won't do that again, I was joking with you! Doc King (talk) 12:14, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Its not my job to make any decisions, but I think what you did was very wrong, and you deserve this punishment. Doctor Pain 99 (CTE) 15:14, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if it's a joke. That's like excusing racist remarks as "jokes". Anon 17:22, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Well when is the punishment over? Doc King (talk) 17:33, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

"I might unban you eventually.", said Shadowcrest. BNK ^[E|T|C] 19:20, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Hey salad, can u please unbanned me from irc cause I miss the ppl there and I really didn't mean to hurt your feelings (if they were hurt). I'm sorry man, if you took it too seriously, I'll stop making fun of it. Please give me a second chance! Doc King (talk) 21:35, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't offended, I actually found it funny. Friends of mine are actually more appalled than I am. Furthermore, I am not looking for an apology, I am looking for an end to your intolerant attitude. Which I doubt will occur.

Tell you what: if you can write me a legit paragraph detailing why exactly you reacted the way you did, I'll consider unbanning you. Ok? Shadowcrest 21:42, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, it's a deal Salad!

So I reacted the way I did because I thought I was being funny. I was joking around with you and just saying stuff without thinking twice about it. Now I've seen other people do stuff like this and I thought I could do the same. I was basically acting like a jerk in front of you and the other people on irc.

So I promise not to do this again and I won't make fun of you if you don't want me to! Doc King (talk) 21:55, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Well, aren't you gonna respond? Doc King (talk) 22:21, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Dude, it hasn't even been half an hour since you posted... How to not get unbanned: nag the admin in question. Cool your jets, and wait for him to respond. PenguinofDeath 22:24, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, got it penquin! I'll be patient! Doc King (talk) 22:26, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Whatever. Shadowcrest 23:15, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

my vote

hi salad

I voted 'absolutely' on the poll on your user page. In case you're curious, the irony tasted like tilapia with a sour lemon sauce and a hint of ginger. Also, I saw your 'qualifications' page. It made me giggle.

That is all. Semicolon (talk) 01:56, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back & cool post bro (h) BNK ^[E|T|C] 02:54, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the constructive criticism! I certainly hope you continue leaving such informative messages on my talk page in the future! Shadowcrest 22:06, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

My Made up Tier Lists

Hey Salad, can I make the made up tier list section again or do I have to put them on my user page? Doc King (talk) 21:57, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

If you mean can you recreate a sub-section of the forums for made up tier lists, no, you may not. Either put them in an existing category or in your userspace, or better yet, don't make them at all. Shadowcrest 22:02, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Userpages

To be sure, when an user is permabanned, that is not a proper precedent for deleting their userpage? Omega Tyrant 08:58, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

It hasn't been done before (except for once which I missed and would have reverted had I seen), and furthermore I see no reason to do it in the first place. What do we gain from deleting the page of a perma'd user, exactly? Nothing. So at best we lose nothing, but in cases like Zeldasmash where he spends 90% of his day editing his userspace, all the evidence for the block becomes immediately unavailable to all non-admins. If you have a reason to delete their userpages that I am magically failing to see, do share. Shadowcrest 12:52, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you, I was just making sure that an user being permabanned is not a proper reason to delete their userpage for future reference. Before I deleted 13375poolR's userpage, I noticed that other users who were permabanned had their userpages deleted, such as SSBC. So when I saw the delete tag on 13775poolR's userpage, I though that it was proper procedure to delete the userpages of permabanned users. Omega Tyrant 13:05, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

SSBC was the one example I was talking about that I missed :P. Every other perma'd user (not including throwaway accounts) had their userpage kept, though.

I don't fault you for deleting it; it might even be standard practice elsewhere. I just find it detrimental to do, so I reverted. (I also reverted Toomai when he did it a couple days ago.) Shadowcrest 15:25, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Internet Relay Chat

I need to speak with you there. The topic is of great importance. Since ping isn't working, could you leave a message on your talk page to let me know you're there, since I'll likely be checking the recent changes more than the chatroom itself? Thank you. BNK ^[E|T|C] 21:07, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

I'm now idling in the channel. If you don't need to conversation to be in real-time, you can go ahead and pm me if you want. Shadowcrest 00:17, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

User_talk:Alexander_Acre

Why did you delete it, if you're not supposed to remove comments? Sir Anon the great 00:08, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Mr. Anon is right. The proper thing to do would be protection, not deletion. Doctor Pain 99 (CTE) 01:09, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

No, in this case it was a vandal account, so we delete the talk page. There was nothing to be gained from leaving the talk page up, as it did nothing to document why the user was banned. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 01:18, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

I thought the rule here was "don't remove talk page content," not "don't remove content unless blah blah blah." There wasn't a reason that warranted deletion, and by your logic, every single talk page of a banned user needs to be deleted, which is bull. That page should be kept for refrence. Doctor Pain 99 (CTE) 01:39, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

The guy was banned on the first day because of being stubborn. Pure vandal account. We have no need for it. And Salad has revived deleted talk pages.--MegaTron1XD 01:41, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Then what the heck is the rule on here? Don't remove talk page content unless your an admin who is deleting a page? I'm confused. Doctor Pain 99 (CTE) 01:44, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

The intention of the "don't remove comments" rule is so people don't have to wade through revisions to see what-all people have said. Deleting a page keeps the comments intact, but only admins can see it, and in the case of vandal accounts it can be better to hide the comments from the general public. Toomai Glittershine 02:29, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

I honestly didn't use any standards of keeping/deleting vandal talk pages or whatever for this case. Normally I'd oppose deleting talk pages. However, in this case, some certain editors (don't recall who) would simply not shut the fuck up on the talk page. I had a problem with this because 1) it's in the wrong place, and since I'm not even sure he was a vandal that's just ... and 2) the discussion was retarded anyway. The rule for 99% of cases is going to be don't remove content. Shadowcrest 05:20, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Let's end this once and for all

So, I see you've blocked Zeldasmash and Doc King. Honestly, I can't disagree with the reason, but since their last blocks I do think they have been trying to edit better. How about I let them edit their talk pages for the next month, and if they can write a compelling 500+ word reason as to why they are valuable to the community, they get to come back. If they whine for "teh unbanz" they get perma-baned. If the response sucks, they get the month without the talk page. Sound good? It should be amusing if nothing else. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 15:56, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

When over 80% of their past 100 contributions have been in their userspaces, I'm inclined to disagree with them "trying to improve". They still constantly talk about their own made-up useless tier lists on IRC (and wiki), and even when they do edit the mainspace it's generally a sub-par contribution. To me your proposal seems like "playing with your food"-- I don't believe you think they have a chance to "succeed" at writing, and you mostly just want to see it because you'll think it's funny. I typically don't block people just to unblock them a day later-- if the block was warranted in the first place, I see no reason for it to be overturned, regardless of what they may think about it. They have repeatedly failed to be a useful contributor, and an essay about why they have been (which is bound to be false) doesn't change that. They can try again in a month, if they truly believe they're valuable to the wiki. Shadowcrest 22:11, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

What Shadowcrest said, tbh. That would be ultimately pointless. However, if your aim was for them to see your above comment and be so pissed off that they'll be tempted to not return after their blocks are up because they no longer trust the admins, job done. PenguinofDeath 19:55, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Two Things

[1]: Yes; only a cad would do such a thing.

[2] + [3] = permaban, surely?

PenguinofDeath 19:55, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

I no longer think that message is relevant, since BNK isn't really a douche-troll anymore. I guess if others think it still applies they can follow through. Shadowcrest 20:48, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

1) It's only OK if there are hot flight attendants and you get to bang them in the bathroom.

2)I'm kinda torn on this one. On the one hand, I did tell him I would do this, but part of me wants to give him this one. I gave him a chance before and it paid off, so I think I'll let this slide for now... Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 03:56, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Why did you delete my page?

Why did you delete my page Steel Type Pokemon? It is perfectly fine!Mesuxelf (talk) 22:41, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Because this isn't PokémonWiki. Yes, it's great that Lucario and Steelix are steel type pokemon and they're in Smash, but there is no reason for a page devoted to that information to exist on SmashWiki. Shadowcrest 22:44, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Steelix is in smash? and Lucario, Metagross, Jirachi, and Scizor are steel types. Mesuxelf (talk) 20:29, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

The point still stands. The information the page would contain doesn't warrant a page all to itself. Shadowcrest 23:35, September 22, 2010 (UTC)