User talk:Alex the weeb/Archive 1

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Disaster Flare (talk) 13:16, 16 December 2016 (EST)

Redirects

Okay, before you continue, while it's nice to see you trying to make finding articles more convenient, the redirects you're making are completely unnecessary, as it's not hard to search for "character (SSB4)". Plus, the redirects just look really unprofessional, honestly. Disaster Flare (talk) 16:37, 13 January 2017 (EST)

The redirects are not just for us, but for random people who visit the site and cannot be bothered to (or do not think to) type in Mario (SSB4) and instead type mario ssb4 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex Parpotta (talk • contribs) 21:40, 13 January 2017‎ (EST)

As I said on my talk page, literally the first article that pops up in the suggested results after searching for something like "mario ssb4" will be the proper article. Because of that, there is no need for the redirects at all. Disaster Flare (talk) 16:42, 13 January 2017 (EST)

Tech data pages

It's nice that you're making technical data pages, but you're leaving them woefully incomplete. Take Mario (SSB4)/Down special/Default: it has the hitbox, sure, but it's missing the projectile data, the timing data, the overview section, and even the navigation template. (You didn't even use the correct hitbox template, so it's missing reflection/absorption data and whatnot.) Compare with Fox (SSBM)/Neutral special, which has almost everything it needs.

You should do one (if not both) of these two things:

1. Leave {{competitive expertise}} and {{technical data}} tags on the page so it can be known through the category system that it's incomplete.
2. Don't make new pages if you can't do them justice. It's better for an expert to see a redlink and know "this needs doing" than to see a bluelink to almost nothing and think "I should do something else".

Toomai Glittershine The Brass 06:41, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

The F.L.U.D.D page was kind of a one off. I was mainly creating custom move pages (since no one seems to care about them). I could do the timing sections too, but it would take MUCH longer. I have a question about that though, what do i do about frame speed multipliers, do i put in the raw frame data and state the frame speed multiplier, or put in the modified frame data? Alex Parpotta (talk) 06:52, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

Well I mean people don't care about customs in general so tech data for them deserves a lower priority in my mind.

When dealing with frame speed multipliers, I would recommend using the final post-calculated numbers in cases where the speed is fixed and doesn't change (maybe with ah HTML comment noting the raw numbers, in case people want to check your math), while if it does change (e.g. special moves that animate faster when more charged or something) you'd probably include slowest, fastest, and typical/default. Toomai Glittershine The Sphere 07:18, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

Is this better? Alex Parpotta (talk) 08:29, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

"DiddyKong"

That redirect is not actually a requirement. You can type "Diddy Kong" with a space in the head template and it will work; "DiddyKong (SSB4)" only showed up in wanted pages because of people incorrectly omitting the space, perhaps having assumed that would be the required format for a template. Having said that, you'll have noticed that "DiddyKong" still produces Diddy's head whether the linked page exists or not, which lead to very non-obvious broken links. So that's a potential argument for keeping the redirect. Zyrac(talk•contribs) 06:30, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

The reason I think it is necessary is because so many pages use the diddy kong head icon as DiddyKong that it would be a nightmare to change all of them, and it is just easier (and possibly even less byte consuming, since redirect pages take up very little byte space, and adding that extra space in all of the head templates may take up more space) to have the redirect instead. Alex Parpotta (talk) 06:34, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

There are only around 30 search results for "DiddyKong". I've been on link-fixing rampages like that before. Still, I don't mind the redirect existing, although if we're keeping it there ahould also be a Brawl one. Zyrac(talk•contribs) 06:45, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

Also bear in mind that more of these DIddyKong templates will show up in future, so overall it is just easier to leave the redirect (in my opinion anyway). Alex Parpotta (talk) 07:19, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

Just for the record...

My "Lookitup" edit summary came across a little harsher than I intended, so I figured I'd issue a formal apology. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 13:31, 31 May 2017 (EDT)

Discord server

Would you like to join the wiki's Discord server? You can see how to join it by clicking on the link located at "participate", on the left side. -- Beep (talk) 14:19, 31 May 2017 (EDT)

Hey look at that

You got rollback! Congratulations! Serpent King 16:54, 3 July 2017 (EDT)

Thanks!! Alex Parpotta (talk) 17:06, 3 July 2017 (EDT)

Image uploads.

They are appreciated, but don't forget to put the {{license-screenshot}} template on them, alongside relevant categories.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 17:35, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

Care to elaborate what you mean here? If you feel I have not used proper tact in my speech, then you are always free to drop a line on my talkpage; I'm not an unreasonable fellow, and I have previously responded to criticisms involving my word choice before. Using a personal attack is not the way to go in any circumstance, regardless of how you may feel about another user.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 18:34, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

Crow, you have not been much better yourself with him lately. Strongly suggest you both back off from each other for a while, lest you make the problem worse. Or better yet, you two hug it out, right here right now. We all have a duty to contribute to the Wiki, and sniping at each other is NOT going to make things easy. Cool it, BOTH OF YOU. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 19:54, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

I have never attacked Alex Parpotta in any capacity, and if you're referring to my remarks on my failed policy, all of them were intended to be stupid jokes that were not intended to offend in any capacity; frankly, I'm still surprised he took any of it seriously. If anyone feels that I overstepped my bounds, then I do apologise; regardless, the use of a personal attack is unacceptable under any scenario, and I wanted to know Alex's reasoning for using such against me.

Also, just to let you know, Black Vulpine, the mediation technique of saying "cool it" does nothing in a user dispute. Both parties must attempt to understand each other in such a way that does not rely on personal attacks; I have done my part, now I'm waiting for Alex to do his part. Now, if one or both of us cracks under the pressure and starts using PAs... well, then you're going to have to bring in an actual admin.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 19:59, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

By accusing Alex of making snide remarks, as you did on the Be Bold talk page, you HAVE overstepped your bounds. If you reckon that him calling you petty and biased is assuming bad faith, then accusing other people of making snide remarks is DEFINITELY bad faith. Ergo, it goes into the territory of personal attacks - which, by the way, you did BEFORE he started paying you out. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 20:06, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

While I dislike making the "he started it" argument, I would like to make the claim that I did not appreciate how Alex did not seem to take my proposal seriously simply because I had written a number of other proposals before them, and I definitely did not appreciate the remarks that compared such proposals to the Soviet Union; while we may disagree on the scope and purpose of a proposal, I felt that these remarks were all in bad faith, as it seemed to imply that my attempts to help SmashWiki were an intentional act of sabotage and it also seemed to imply that he wasn't taking my work seriously. Owing to this, I (perhaps incorrectly) assumed that such remarks were intended to be snide. Now, I don't expect an apology for these remarks; who knows, maybe his fingers ran faster than his brain (I know I've done that several times now lol), or we just both suck at detecting sarcasm (Which we've all done at least once). At this point, I just wanted to know why he felt the need to use a PA against me in the edit summary, so that I can potentially improve myself for the future.

If you have any further remarks on this, please post them on my talkpage instead; I feel this has gotten too out-of-scope from the original dispute.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 20:16, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

I saw that!

I spotted this edit summary, and I know what it means too. I don't care if Crow has upset you, you need to cool it. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 19:49, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

Spike images

You should probably label your image names with SSB4 in case we ever get images from the other games in the series and wish to use the same naming convention. Serpent King 18:14, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

Oi!

Hey, don't be thinking that this isn't passive aggressive. I know you were talking about me in that edit summary. You got in trouble with Monsieur Crow just days ago for doing exactly the same thing. Cut it out. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 20:25, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Test request

Rosa u-tilt, Luma u-tilt, Rosa u-air, Luma u-air, all vs Cloud dair, please. Penro 13:00, 22 July 2017 (EDT)

I probably should have been more specific but I meant more like game mechanics, glitches, trivia, and customs rather than kill percents, but here are the results.

Kill percents tested against Mario in training mode from the centre of FD are as follows:

Rosalina up tilt: 184%

Luma up tilt: 126%

Rosalina up air: 146%

Luma up air: irrelevant

Cloud down air: 129%

Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 13:49, 22 July 2017 (EDT)

K, thank you so much Penro 14:20, 24 July 2017 (EDT)

"Fixed"?

What do you mean? Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 12:09, 5 August 2017 (EDT)

You left both the sentence and the template incomplete. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 12:12, 5 August 2017 (EDT)

First off you could have either told me or fixed it yourself, second how the hell did that happen? Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 23:16, 8 August 2017 (EDT)

I would have fixed it but I didn't know what you were trying to say. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 05:22, 9 August 2017 (EDT)

DatNuttyKid back again becaaaaaause...

Oxford commas are a thing and should be used as much as possible; they certainly are not bad grammar. For example:

"I went to a party with the strippers, Donald Trump, and Barack Obama" -- using an Oxford comma, I have clearly stated that I was at a party that had strippers, Donald Trump, and Barack Obama in attendance.

"I went to a party with the strippers, Donald Trump and Barack Obama" -- without an Oxford comma, while it could mean the same thing, it also sounds like I am defining Donald Trump and Barack Obama as strippers. Unnecessarily confusing.

I won't revert your edit since you were already in violation of SW:1RV and also because it's not a significant enough difference, in this case, to matter much, but keep this in mind in other circumstances. 73.147.234.34 15:44, 27 August 2017 (EDT)

(p.s.: you're welcome for the mental image of Donald Trump and Barack Obama as strippers.) 73.147.234.34 15:46, 27 August 2017 (EDT)

Okay firstly, in the situation on the Pokémon trainer page is quite different, because all 3 of the items in the list are members of the same group (Pokémon), and therefore the comma is completely unnecessary.

Secondly I do not appreciate you accusing me of violating 1RV, as in this circumstance, I am correcting a misinterpretation, (i.e an erroneous grammatical revert), and this is not the same as edit warring.

Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 16:02, 27 August 2017 (EDT)

"Do not revert another user's revert on an article, especially on matters of opinion." Google Oxford comma. It is clearly a matter of opinion. And anyway, neither exception permits erroneous grammatical reverts either, just "obvious vandalism" and "obviously false information".

The fact that the example doesn't directly apply is irrelevant; the point is that the Oxford comma is not bad grammar. It is, perhaps, controversial grammar, but just because it does not directly change the situation doesn't mean it's incorrect. Is it bad grammar to use bigger words than necessary unless they affect clarity? Is it bad grammar to use nouns over pronouns unless they affect clarity? Of course not.

You can use whatever grammar you want; I merely wanted to point out to you that your viewpoint was far too definitive. 73.147.234.34 20:30, 27 August 2017 (EDT)

Ok, I don't want to argue with you, but again you are wrong. Since such usage of the comma is not required in this circumstance, it is therefore poor grammar to use it, in the same way that finishing a regular sentence with an exclamation mark is bad grammar. Yes there's no rule that says it is wrong to do that, but it is a poor usage of it. Also again, 1RV is intended to prevent edit warring, not allow reverters transcendental rights over the revision of the page simply because they are not vandalizing it. If a reversion is erroneous, then it can be undone. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 20:35, 27 August 2017 (EDT)

I would have done the same thing. It is more grammatically correct to NOT have a comma preceding the last item on a list of 3 items or more. And as Alex said, the 1RV rule's sole purpose is to stop edit warring. If a double reversion occurred because the first reversion was erroneous for any reason, then it doesn't count as an edit war. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 21:14, 27 August 2017 (EDT)

Hey, if nothing else, your attitude has confirmed to me that my reasons for leaving this wiki were completely justified. So there's an accomplishment, you should be proud. 73.147.234.34 21:16, 27 August 2017 (EDT)

Do not personally attack other users! Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 21:18, 27 August 2017 (EDT)

Alright, so here's a heads up

It's been decided that an infinite ban from the Discord server is overkill, so we're reducing your sentence to a month. On November 26th, your ban will be lifted and you'll be allowed back on the server. Should you choose to return when the time comes, however, I highly recommend you be more careful about the things you say and do, because any further violations will hit you with a longer ban. Please keep that in mind from now on. Disaster Flare (talk) 18:05, 1 November 2017 (EDT)

Can you believe it

On that link to the site you showed me, it lists Mario as having a much better recovery than Diddy Kong and Luigi of all characters. Hell, it lists Mario's recovery as being as good as ROB's. Wow... Iron Gladiator (talk) 21:03, 13 November 2017 (EST)

Well those stats are somewhat opinion based (as many believe Mario's recovery to be very good, since it's fast and difficult to edgeguard). I would like to point out that this could potentially be considered misuse of a talk page, and if you wanted to have discussions with users on the wiki, I would recommend you joined the Discord server.

P.S I made this fix on your userbox if you wanted to use it.

This user is a trashy noob who thinks he knows what he's doing

Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 11:31, 14 November 2017 (EST)

Oh, cool. Thanks, man. Iron Gladiator (talk) 17:11, 19 November 2017 (EST)

Rollback use

Just to know, you probaly shouldn't have used rollback in that revert on the ssb4 tier list page. You could've just edited it out, since the user seemed to be good-faith. --Penro 15:58, 16 December 2017 (EST)

Didn't seem like good faith to me. In one of the two edits, the only thing he did was create a typo, like he didn't even edit the page at all, just made a typo, how could that possibly be good faith? Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 16:02, 16 December 2017 (EST)

Do you think intentionally making one little typo is really that bad though? I doubt he/she tried to harm the page drastically. It's not vandalism at all, so why use a vandal tool?

I'll question them on their talk page. --Penro 16:08, 16 December 2017 (EST)

I disagree. I can think of a bunch of reasons why such edits would be made, and only one of those reasons is a bad faith. In this case, it definitely would’ve been better to err on the side of assuming good faith, and not using rollback. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 17:50, 16 December 2017 (EST)

Reminder: Rollback is to be used only against vandalism.

This was a good faith edit which you used rollback on. Please try to be careful. Thanks~ Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation wishes you a happy new year! 21:36, 31 December 2017 (EST)

Clean-Ups and Talk Pages

I don’t see any Talk Pages on the articles. Also, the reason why I removed those tags is because none of the pages ‘look horrible, are horribly written, or have horrible grammar’. That’s my basic guideline for clean-ups. I’ve only been here for under a week now. I’m probably a bad editor, but again, I’m still kinda new, but I’m learning the ropes here. I only mean well, you know? Tazzy taz (talk) 14:45, 22 January 2018 (EST)

Ok, you can find the talk page sections in the tab bar above the page title, it should be labeled "discussion". The reason many of those pages were tagged is because the way they are laid out don't reach our quality standards, or are simply not laid out particularly well. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 14:59, 22 January 2018 (EST)

Rule of thumb, you generally want to reply to a message left to you on your user talk page, not the sender's. Aidan, the Rurouni 16:32, 22 January 2018 (EST)

One question

Do I have your permission to edit your userpage so your display of my userbox matches mine? Iron Reggie, Master of Memes (talk) 13:33, 28 January 2018 (EST) I mean, I could change it myself. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 15:22, 28 January 2018 (EST)

Oh. I'm such an idiot, I didn't even realize I could just ask you to do it. Thanks.Iron Reggie, Master of Memes (talk) 18:18, 28 January 2018 (EST)

Apologies, but this time I need you to do it again because of my username. Iron Reggie, Master of Memes 01:08, 14 February 2018 (EST)

It shouldn't be that hard, all you need to do is change all instances of 'Iron Gladiator' in the code to 'Iron Reggie'. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 01:59, 14 February 2018 (EST)

I believe you mean "Iron Warrior". Aidan, the Lovely Rurouni 08:52, 14 February 2018 (EST)

Can do. There shall be no traces of my previous username except my past messages on talk pages and my message on my userpage stating what I was and is called. Good day. Iron Reggie, Master of Memes 03:37, 16 February 2018 (EST)

Super Mario Bros conventional wisdom

What, how is that not the case? That's literally a fact that everyone knows. Skuchi037 (talk) 16:41, 3 February 2018 (EST)

Also, what did you mean by what you just said now? Skuchi037 (talk) 17:13, 3 February 2018 (EST)

Ok well first of all, "Super Mario Bros. saved the video game industry" is very misleading. Yes, Nintendo was a major part of the comeback of video games, but entirely crediting them for it, particularly crediting one game entirely is highly innacurate. Beyond that video games would have eventually made a comeback anyway, Nintendo just sped up the process.

As for your edit to victory poses, it was simply unnecessary, and also speculative to a degree. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 17:48, 3 February 2018 (EST)

Alright, we need to talk.

Here's the deal. Lately, you seem to have been targeting me over various things I do, calling me out on minor things that wouldn't concern the admins in a lot of cases. The latest issue that I have with you is you berating me for arguing about the existence of a phrase on Marth's page. First off, by making that talk post, I am trying to do the right thing by SW:1RV. Second, after berating me, you proceeded to make an action on the page before any consensus was even reached. While, at least, I agree with what you wrote there, I am getting tired of you being on my back about everything I do here. Nobody's perfect, but when you kick me around the way you have been doing, all you're doing is making me feel like shit afterwards, making it harder for me to do my job.

Just to be clear, I am not outright accusing you of deliberately targeting me. However, I feel that you are nitpicking me a lot, often over things that shouldn't be bothered with, and it's really starting to hurt. I'm asking you to back off and leave me alone for a while, because I've had a gutful. Thank you. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 03:55, 7 February 2018 (EST)

I'm sorry if you feel that way, but I have been doing no such thing. I was commenting on a common trend with you being against the inclusion of ranking comparisons on pages, as this is the third time you have attempted to remove one without true justification. I would have called out anyone else if they had done it instead, but as it happens it was you who did it. As for my edit on the page, I was not the only one who edited it while the discussion was happening. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 06:07, 7 February 2018 (EST)

KO Uppercut IS a grab

Seriously. Try it against something like Ganondorf's Warlock Punch. Ignores super armor, what other move does that? Gold 06:00, 11 February 2018 (EST)

No, it's not. Ignoring super armour and being a grab are not the same thing. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 06:04, 11 February 2018 (EST)

That's true. In fact, many Final Smashes happen to ignore armor, and none of them are treated as grabs. This statement is entirely useless and irrelevant to the talk page. Iron Reggie, Master of Memes 03:40, 16 February 2018 (EST)