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*Hitting Ness as he's using [[PK Thunder]] can cause his body to constantly produce sparks afterward, though these sparks only provide a cosmetic effect. This glitch continues until he gets KOed, shields, or performs PK Thunder again. | *Hitting Ness as he's using [[PK Thunder]] can cause his body to constantly produce sparks afterward, though these sparks only provide a cosmetic effect. This glitch continues until he gets KOed, shields, or performs PK Thunder again. | ||
*Ness's [http://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/detail/ness-amiibo-super-smash-bros-series amiibo description] on the North American [[amiibo]] website is based on his trophy description from ''Melee''. | *Ness's [http://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/detail/ness-amiibo-super-smash-bros-series amiibo description] on the North American [[amiibo]] website is based on his trophy description from ''Melee''. | ||
*When Ness uses PK Thunder, he says the name of the attack. Though what he actually says is known for sounding nothing like PK Thunder. Instead sounding more like "PK Cross" or "Pizza Crust". | |||
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Revision as of 09:47, October 1, 2016
Ness in Super Smash Bros. Melee | |
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Universe | EarthBound |
Other playable appearances | in SSB in Brawl in SSB4 |
Availability | Starter |
Tier | F (23) (North America) H (23) (Europe) |
“ | A psychic boy with a distinct midair jump. | ” |
—Description from Melee's manual. |
Ness (ネス, Ness) is a default character in Super Smash Bros. Melee. Announced at E3 2001, he was originally going to be replaced by Lucas from Mother 3; the ultimate cancellation of the game for the Nintendo 64, however, caused Masahiro Sakurai to retain Ness.
He is currently ranked 23rd in the F tier. This is a slight drop from his previous ranking where he was 10th in Super Smash Bros. While still having fantastic throws and a great aerial game due to his double jump cancel, Ness has a poor approach on the ground and in the air due to significant range issues in most of his attacks; his recovery is also easy to intercept and edgeguard against, and he also has significant trouble KOing opponents, again owing to his poor range. As a result of these significant weaknesses, Ness has very poor matchups, with six nearly unwinnable, one even (against Yoshi), and only three slightly favorable (against Bowser, Kirby, and Pichu).
Attributes
Ness is an unusual blend of character archetypes; many of his attributes are unique in comparison to other characters, such as his projectiles, his recovery and his midair jump. Ness has above average traction and a moderately low falling speed, giving him an above-average wavedash that is relatively quick.
Arguably Ness's greatest strength is his double jump cancel (often abbreviated DJC). By cancelling out of his midair jump with an aerial, Ness can quickly and efficiently use his multiple aerial attacks; as Ness's ground-based options are poor, his various aerial attacks can act as superior alternatives to them, with his neutral aerial and forward aerial attacks acting as potential combo starters and his back and up air attacks acting as potent KO moves. Furthermore, Ness alone has access to the Yo-yo glitch, which can significantly increase his range and options when performed properly. While Ness's up and down smashes's knockback are poor, the former can be very versatile when used properly, being capable of activating the extremely powerful Yo-yo glitch and being a good juggling move. Additionally, both smashes are the only smashes who can damage opponents while charging.
Ness also has some good KO options. On the ground, Ness's forward smash is very powerful, moderately fast, has a long, safe disjointed hitbox and has the ability to reflect some projectiles. Within the air, Ness's up and back air attacks are short-ranged, but very powerful, with the former acting as an excellent replacement for his weak up smash when DJCed and the latter powerfully semi-spiking opponents. Ness also has a very solid set of throws. His back throw is the most powerful throw in the game, and it acts as arguably Ness's best KOing option. Ness's forward throw has poor knockback scaling; while this makes it weak at high percentages, this low knockback growth can set up edgeguarding affairs and gimps. Ness's up and down throws can begin new combos, with the former easily chaingrabbing fast-fallers such as Fox and Falco and comboing into his DJC'd up air at some damage percentages and the latter comboing into his DJC'd fair.
Ness, however, suffers from very poor range in his attacks, which, in turn, significantly increases his difficultly in approaching and KOing opponents, especially on the ground. Ness's tilts have little range; furthermore, while Ness does have a decently-lengthed wavedash, a moderately fast, disjointed and extremely powerful forward smash and a very versatile, long-ranged up smash, Ness' up and down smash has poor knockback, making them ineffective for KOing. Ness's ground-based approach also suffers by his lack of an effective projectile; while Ness has three projectiles, none can be effectively used in all cases. PK Flash has incredible power when fully charged, but it also has long starting and ending lag, and it can only KO reliably after being charged for a long time; as a result, it can only be utilised as a situational edgeguard technique. PK Fire has multiple hits that can trap opponents, but it is easy to SDI out of, has high starting and ending lag, and has short reach for a projectile. PK Thunder is slightly more useful, as it is controllable and can be used for mindgames; however, it suffers from long windup and cooldown lag, and it also cannot be cancelled out of, making it very easy to punish. As a final flaw for Ness's ground-based approach, Ness's grab has the second shortest range in all of the game (only to Pikachu), thus making it difficult for him to KO opponents via his powerful throws; while his dash grab does slightly increase its range, it also features considerable lag if it whiffs.
Furthermore, despite the high potential power of his DJC, Ness's aerial approach is also below-average. Like his ground approach, it also suffers from the short range in many of his attacks, and against opponents with particularly good spacing games, like Marth, Ness can easily and quickly be overwhelmed in his attempts to approach opponents. As two of Ness's best finishers are aerial based attacks, KOing in the air requires a good read in order to potentially pull off a DJCed aerial. As Ness has a high short hop and a low falling speed, he also has a very poor SHFFL.
Outside of his poor approach, Ness also suffers from a abysmal recovery. Ness's recovery has its merits; he has the second highest midair jump in the game (second to only Yoshi) and his midair jump has unusual properties in its trajectory; PK Thunder 2 also grants a rather long distance, with a moderately large sweetspot and a long period of invincibility frames. Despite these benefits, however, Ness's recovery still is exceedingly vulnerable to gimping, in spite of its long length. If Ness uses an aerial to fend off edgeguarders, his double jump is cancelled and can prevent him from recovering if unable to act soon enough. PK Thunder's projectile instantly disappears upon hitting opponents, and this is very easily abusable by edgeguarders, further worsened by PK Thunder 2's slow startup. In the process of having to start PK Thunder 2, characters with good recoveries (such as Jigglypuff or Samus) can merely jump into the projectile and take negligible knockback and damage, immediately sending Ness into a state of helplessness. Projectiles such as Link's Boomerangs and the Ice Climbers' Ice Shot can easily disrupt the projectile as well, and in these cases, damage is not even inflicted to the opponent. PK Thunder 2 also has significant angling issues, and it can easily curve under lips of stages, most notably on Battlefield. Additionally, should Ness end up parallel to the ground while using the attack, the ending lag can easily be abused and punished. Finally, its linear nature can make it easy to read and edgeguard for many characters, despite the invincibility frames found within it; attacks like Mario's Cape or Link's Spin Attack can easily intercept the attack as Ness charges to the stage.
Changes from Smash 64 to Melee
Ness was nerfed overall in his transition from Smash 64 to Melee. Despite receiving a much greater amount of buffs, his nerfs were in much more important areas, with his nerfs impairing his already-poor recovery, shortening his already mediocre range, and significantly reducing his KO options. As a result, Ness has a lower tier placing in Melee; while already placing in the low tier of Smash 64 despite the early Smash 64 metagame viewing him as a top-tier, and Ness is still seen as non-viable in tournaments.
Aesthetics
- Ness's grounded jump is no longer psychokinetic.
- Ness has new voice samples.
- Ness's cap is turned right.
- Ness's backpack is two strapped.
- Ness's default costume have been slightly changed (red cap has blue instead of purple, beige and blue striped shirt and blue shorts instead of yellow/purple and purple, blue cap has purple instead of violet, tan and purple striped shirt and purple shorts instead of yellow/violet and violet, and orange and brown striped shirt and green shorts instead of light green/orange and orange like Mario's team battle costume.)
Attributes
- Ness is significantly heavier (81.818 → 94), which improves his endurance, but makes him easier to combo..
- Air speed (28 → 0.93) and dashing speed (40 → 1.4) were greatly improved.
- Ness's walking speed is slightly slower (0.28 → 0.84).
- Ness is significantly floatier (55 → 1.83), hindering his vertical endurance. While this makes him harder to combo, the falling speed change is enough for this to be considered a nerf.
- The speed and reach of Ness' attacks was generally decreased.
Ground Attacks
- Forward tilt is much stronger.
- Down tilt is much faster.
- Dash attack does more damage and has more range.
- His dash attack have become psychokinetic.
- Forward smash now has longer reach and is faster.
- Forward smash now has 2 sourspots, although those are still very powerful.
- Ness now has access to the Yo-yo glitch.
- His up and down smashes have less reach, and they have been drastically weakened to the point where they can no longer KO at realistic percentages.
Aerial Attacks
- Ness has a new neutral aerial: a spin. It deals 3% less damage on both hitboxes.
- Forward aerial does more damage and has more range.
- His back and forward aerial have becoming psychokinetic.
- Up aerial has more reach with a bigger hitbox.
- Ness's head when doing his up aerial is no longer intangible.
- Down aerial has much higher base knockback, making it a deadly 0-death KO tool if not meteor-canceled.
- Ness's down aerial, like most other meteor smashes, now has significantly more start-lag, and it also has much lower knockback scaling.
Grabs and Throws
- Forward and back throw deal 5% less damage: 16% → 11%.
- Ness has been given an up throw and a down throw, providing him with more options.
Special Moves
- Ness now has a new neutral special: PK Flash. A chargeable green ball of light that increases in power and moves downward the longer the button is held. Once it reaches full power, it explodes, dealing huge knockback.
- PK Fire travels a smaller distance, and it is now considerably easier to DI out of.
- PK Fire is moved to Ness's side special.
- PK Thunder travels faster, and it has a tighter radius which it can travel.
- Ness's PK Thunder 2 travels a shorter distance, damage when hitting an opponent is 5% less, and has a lot more end lag. As such, despite the projectile prior to PK Thunder 2 moving faster (while also having a tighter radius), Ness's recovery is considered to be worse overall.
- PSI Magnet is considerably faster, improving Ness's defensive game.
- The color of PSI Magnet is now blue instead of green.
- The crowd no longer cheers when Ness absorbs a projectile with PSI Magnet.
- The crowd no longer gasps when Ness hits himself with PK Thunder.
Moveset
For a gallery of Ness's hitboxes, see here.
Name | Damage | Description | ||
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Neutral attack | 3% | Punches forward twice, then kicks. | ||
2% | ||||
4% | ||||
Forward tilt | ↗ | 12% | Does a roundhouse kick forward. Can be angled up or down. | |
→ | 11% | |||
↘ | 10% | |||
Up tilt | 7% | Thrusts both his hands upward. Ness's head is intangible during the early part of the animation. Can combo into itself and DJC'd up aerials. | ||
Down tilt | 3% | Thrusts his leg downward, then pivots his foot to hit the opponent. Can combo into itself by mashing the A button after the move is executed, and is an infinite against a wall. | ||
Dash attack | 5% (hit 1), 4% (hits 2-3) (≈12.28% total) | Throws his hands forward, sending three sparks PSI energy in front of himself. Good, disjointed range. 1st hit powerfully semi-spikes opponents, 2nd hit does very weak vertical knockback and the last hit deals powerful vertical knockback. | ||
Forward smash | 18% (body), 20% (bat base), 22% (bat mid), 24% (bat tip) | Swings his bat forward. Has very high knockback and damage, especially at the tip of the bat, but a little bit of start-up lag. The bat can reflect projectiles. | ||
Up smash | 9% (startup), 4% (charging), 6% (attack) | Does a variation on the "around-the-world" yo-yo trick, swinging his yo-yo above his head. Has good range and speed. Very versatile when used properly, as it can be used to perform the extremely powerful Yo-yo Glitch and has very potent juggling and spacing ability. However, like his down smash, this attack is incapable of K.O.ing unless his opponents is under 200%, and the swinging part even has set knockback. The attack has a hitbox while charging. | ||
Down smash | 11% (startup), 4% (charging), 7% (attack) | Sends his yo-yo backwards and "walks-the-dog" with it before pulling the yo-yo back. Has good range and speed, however, this attack is incapable of K.O.ing unless his opponents is under 180%. It is his least useful smash attack, being only useful as a situational edgeguarding, spacing and tech-chasing move. More powerful than the up smash in terms of knockback. The attack has a hitbox while charging. The swinging part of the attack has set knockback. | ||
Neutral aerial | 11% (clean), 8% (late) | Spins around, arms stretched out. Has good knockback and is very fast with high combo potential. Poor range. | ||
Forward aerial | 3% (hits 1-4), 5% (hit 5) (≈15.74% total) | Throws both his hands forward, sending multiple sparks PSI energy in front of himself. Is a fast, multi-hitting move, with good range and high knockback on the last hit. Generally used as a spacing move. | ||
Back aerial | 16% (clean), 10% (late) | Thrusts both his feet backwards. If sweetspotted, it electrifies the opponent and semi-spikes them with extreme power. Is fast with very high knockback albeit poor range. The fourth most powerful back aerial in Melee. | ||
Up aerial | 13% | Headbutts upward. Has amazing juggling potential and a good KO move with very low lag, but poor range. Unlike in Smash 64, Ness`s head is no longer intangible. | ||
Down aerial | 12% | Pulls his legs to his body before stomping downwards. Is a meteor smash, and has a decent amount of start-up lag. Great range, extremely high knockback at 0% (most powerful meteor smash at 0% in Melee), but it also has very low knockback scaling, being unable to KO grounded opponents at even 200%, and is relatively easy to meteor cancel. It also has no IASA frames (being interrupted on the same frame as Mario's forward aerial, but Mario's seem slower compared to Ness's). | ||
Grab | — | |||
Pummel | 3% | Headbutts the opponent. | ||
Forward throw | 11% | Psychically throws the opponent forward. Very strong base knockback, but very low knockback scaling. | ||
Back throw | 11% | Psychically throws the opponent behind him. Has extremely low base knockback but very high knockback scaling. This is Ness's strongest throw and its one of the strongest back throws in the game, KOing reliably at 110% and above. | ||
Up throw | 10% | Psychically spins the opponent above his head and throws them upwards. Can chaingrab Fox, Falco and Captain Falcon at low % and has a decent amount of followups. Good knockback. | ||
Down throw | 1% (hits 1-5), 4% (throw) | Slams the opponent to the ground and hits them with fire. Low knockback but allows a decent amount of followups, including being able to lead into an up aerial to KO. | ||
Forward roll Back roll Spot dodge Air dodge |
— | — | ||
Techs | — | — | ||
Floor attack (front) Floor getups (front) |
6% | Punches on both sides whilst getting up. | ||
Floor attack (back) Floor getups (back) |
6% | Gets up and does a sweep kick with both feet. | ||
Edge attack (fast) Edge getups (fast) |
8% | Somersaults onto the stage, and kicks upwards with both feet. | ||
Edge attack (slow) Edge getups (slow) |
10% | Slowly picks himself up and does a jump kick. | ||
Neutral special | PK Flash | 11-36% | A sphere of green light appears above Ness. As the attack button is held, the sphere moves downwards and increases in power and size, until the attack button is released or until it is fully charged, it explodes. Has transcendent priority. | |
Side special | PK Fire | 2% (lightning), 3% (pillar hit 1), 2% (pillar 2-7) | Fires a yellow, lightning-bolt shaped projectile that travels in a straight line until it hits an enemy or destructible portion of a stage, at which point it explodes into flames. The bolt has a hurtbox, which is what activates the pillar upon contact; the surrounding hitbox deals 2% and has minor knockback. The spawned pillar also has a hurtbox that slowly shrinks in size. | |
Up special | PK Thunder | 8% (thunder head), 1% (thunder tail), 25% (PK Thunder 2 clean), 20% (PK Thunder 2 late) | Creates a stream of lightning that can be aimed into opponents to deal damage with the head and stun with the tail. Aiming the head into Ness himself will launch him in a trajectory opposite to the side he was hit on, which is referred to as PK Thunder 2. PK Thunder 2 has invincibility frames during the first half of the move. PK Thunder 1 has transcendent priority. | |
Down special | PSI Magnet | 0%, heals 2.0x the damage of absorbed projectiles | Creates a blue energy field around him which allows him to absorb all energy-based projectiles. It can be held. |
Taunt
- Turns to the screen and nods his head while saying "Okay".
Idle pose
- Looks from side to side.
Crowd cheer
English | Japanese | |
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Cheer | ||
Description | Ness Ness Ness! | Ness Ness Ness! |
Pitch | Group chant | Group chant |
Victory poses
- Looks to the left and right of him, then places an arm on the back of his head in a bashful manner.
- Swings around his bat four times, then poses with it.
- Jumps up and down twice, places arms on waist, and says "Okay!"
In Competitive play
Matchups
Avg. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Notable players
- See also: Category:Ness professionals (SSBM)
Active
Inactive
Tier placement and history
Ness was initially viewed as low-mid tier character in the metagame, with a peak of 15th place on the second tier list. Following this, however, Ness's standing on the tier list constantly fell, with most players noticing that his nerf from Super Smash Bros. hindered his ability to safely approach foes, while his buffs did not address his extremely short range on many of his attacks or his linear, predictable recovery; this was especially noted in the earlier Smash 64 metagame, as Ness was initially viewed as a top-tiered character.
On the current tier list, Ness places at 23rd, in the F tier, and he is considered non-viable for tournament play. Dedicated Ness players are rare in the current metagame, with most Ness players often using him as a situational counterpick; Hungrybox only used Ness once in all of Apex 2013, in an attempt to counter Armada's Young Link, and he mostly used Jigglypuff for the rest of the tournament. Other players of Ness are semi-active and generally do not place very well with him, even with the powerful Yoyo glitch.
In 1-P Mode
Classic Mode
In Classic Mode, Ness can appear as an ordinary opponent, as an ally or opponent in the team battles, alongside Yoshi, Peach, or Mewtwo, as a member of a multi-character battle, or as a metal opponent. In Ness's appearance, he appears on either Onett or Fourside (if unlocked) as a regular opponent and on Battlefield as a metal opponent. When on a team with Yoshi, he appears on Yoshi's Island.
Adventure Mode
Ness's appearance in the Adventure Mode is in Stage 9: Onett. In the stage, the player must fight against three computer players, each one being Ness, on Onett; in the fight, the only item that appear is Mr. Saturn. The player must defeat all three opponents within five minutes to continue.
All-Star Mode
Ness and his allies are fought on Onett.
Event Matches
Ness is featured in the following event matches:
- Event 5: Spare Change: the player controls Ness and fights Captain Falcon in a coin battle on Onett. The player must collect 200 coins within 80 seconds in order to clear the event.
- Event 30: All-Star Match 3: Ness is the third opponent to be fought in this series of staged battles. The player battles him on Onett, which will transition to the next stage if Ness gets defeated. With a timer of four minutes, the player must defeat him along with Kirby, Pikachu and the Ice Climbers.
- Event 36: Space Travelers: As Ness, the player must defeat Samus, Kirby, Fox, Captain Falcon, and Falco. The player battles the first three characters on Fourside and battles the last two on Battlefield.
Ending images
Trophy descriptions
In addition to the normal trophy about Ness as a character, there are two trophies about him as a fighter, unlocked by completing both Adventure and All-Star modes respectively with Ness on any difficulty:
- Ness
- Ness is a young boy who's mastered the psychic power known as PSI. Ness was living a normal life in the suburbs of Onett until a meteor crashed into a nearby mountain and sent him on a wild adventure. Believing in the ultimate powers of wisdom, courage, and friendship, Ness proves that some heroes come in small packages.
- EarthBound 06/95
- Ness [Smash]
- The key to mastering Ness is controlling his unique midair jump, which makes up for what he lacks in speed. His PK Flash attack may seem weak at first glance, but it grows more powerful the longer you hold down the B Button. To do a lot of damage with PK Fire, try to burn your opponent as many times as possible.
- B: PK Flash
- Smash B: PK Fire
- Ness [Smash]
- Ness's mind is his best weapon. PK Thunder is a PSI missile weapon that can be guided using the Control Stick, and if Ness hits himself with it, he turns into a living missile capable of doing massive damage. This move can also be used for recovery. PSI Magnet turns energy missile attacks into health; try out certain Pokémon for stamina replenishment.
- Up & B: PK Thunder
- Down & B: PSI Magnet
Alternate costumes
Trivia
- Ness is one of three characters whose neutral special changed during his jump to Melee, the others being Link and Jigglypuff. In the original Super Smash Bros., his neutral special was PK Fire; from Melee onward, he now uses PK Flash.
- If one looks closely at Ness's Yoyo, he or she can see the words DOLPHIN LOOP, with it being made by HALLAB NINTENDO in 2001 (Melee’s release year). Dolphin being a reference to the Gamecube's codename, and the "makers" a reference to the developer and publisher of Melee respectively. His bat reads NETT SPORTS.
- Hitting Ness as he's using PK Thunder can cause his body to constantly produce sparks afterward, though these sparks only provide a cosmetic effect. This glitch continues until he gets KOed, shields, or performs PK Thunder again.
- Ness's amiibo description on the North American amiibo website is based on his trophy description from Melee.
- When Ness uses PK Thunder, he says the name of the attack. Though what he actually says is known for sounding nothing like PK Thunder. Instead sounding more like "PK Cross" or "Pizza Crust".
Fighters in Super Smash Bros. Melee | |
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Veterans | Captain Falcon · Donkey Kong · Fox · Jigglypuff · Kirby · Link · Luigi · Mario · Ness · Pikachu · Samus · Yoshi |
Newcomers | Bowser · Dr. Mario · Falco · Ganondorf · Ice Climbers · Marth · Mewtwo · Mr. Game & Watch · Peach · Pichu · Roy · Young Link · Zelda (Sheik) |
EarthBound (Mother) universe | |
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Fighters | Ness (SSB · SSBM · SSBB · SSB4 · SSBU) · Lucas (SSBB · SSB4 · SSBU) |
Assist Trophies | Jeff · Starman |
Bosses | Porky Statue · Porky |
Stages | Onett · Fourside · New Pork City · Magicant |
Items | Mr. Saturn · Franklin Badge · Ramblin' Evil Mushroom |
Enemies | Devil Car · Starman |
Other | Boney · Flying Man · Kumatora · Paula · Poo · Rope Snake · Ultimate Chimera |
Trophies, Stickers and Spirits | Trophies (SSBM · SSBB · SSB4) · Stickers · Spirits |
Music | Brawl · SSB4 · Ultimate |
Masterpiece | EarthBound |