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Regarding Charizard's "Aerodactyl" color

Looking at the link given in an attempt to justify said color, Aerodactyl's wings are a more saturated purple while Charizard's wings don't have that same saturation. In fact, I sampled Charizard's wing color and it's more of a reddish purple compared to Aerodactyl's bluish purple. I admit the whiter tone in later generations does match this color, but overall I feel the wing color is what stops this from resembling Aerodactyl. I'm taking it off. P.S. Aerodactyl's eyes are green while this Charizard has aqua eyes for said color. They change slightly between colors. Dragon5 (talk) 21:20, 3 November 2014 (EST)

I agree. Aerodactyl is definitely more of a purplish grey anyhow, and the wings don't match. It may just not be based off of anything, or it may just be a progression of Charizard's white Pokemon Trainer alt from Brawl. Banryu (talk) 19:25, 8 November 2014 (EST)

Pit's Cyan alt - Thanatos?

This might be a bit of a stretch, but in looking at [the Thanatos trophy] in the game, I think Pit's 'cyan' alt might be based on him. The shade of aqua is a bit bright to be compared to his skin, but looking at the other colors of the palette, Pit has a purple scarf and wings and orange... uh... (kilt...?) which slightly resemble Thanatos' scarf and pants. Again, it might be a stretch, but the colors seem so deliberately chosen and I have no idea what else it might be based on. Banryu (talk) 19:21, 8 November 2014 (EST)

I see a slight resemblance, but shouldn't say that it's based in Thanatos; that would be speculation, which isn't allowed in the mainspace. However, you can say that the palette swap resembles Thanatos; there's a difference between the two words, you know. Rtzxy Reflect!!! 19:25, 8 November 2014 (EST)

Well, there you go. Still, I say that if it was deliberately made to resemble him, it's probably based off him. But of course since I have no way of affirming whether it was based on him... *shrug* Let the jury do as it may. Banryu (talk) 19:26, 8 November 2014 (EST)

"I say that if it was deliberately made to resemble him, it's probably based off him. "

How do you know it was deliberately made to resemble him? It could just be a simple coincidence, and saying that anyways would be like saying "Donkey Kong has a white palette swap, so it must be based off of Eddie the Yeti from his short-lived TV series" (it isn't, by the way) or something like that. Also, sorry if I'm coming off like an a** (I don't like swearing unless it's to quote someone or it's a name), but you get the point. Rtzxy Reflect!!! 19:34, 8 November 2014 (EST)

I wouldn't say that you're coming across as an @$$, but I would say that you're coming across as someone who didn't read everything I said. I conceded that I don't know if the resemblance to Thanatos is deliberate, and I have nothing else really to say on the matter. If the mods deem it worth a mention in the article, fine. If not, fine. I'm done with the bickering on semantics, though, we're off-topic enough by now. Banryu (talk) 22:44, 8 November 2014 (EST) :Yeah, we should set this argument aside. I will say that I misunderstood you, and I'm sorry for that. Now, back on topic, you can probably add that Pit's purple costume resembles Thanatos, because there is a resemblance between the two, but don't put anything that says it's based off him. OK? Rtzxy Reflect!!! 22:49, 8 November 2014 (EST)

Check that. I didn't do my research that good. As it turns out, Thanatos looks nothing like Pit, with no resemblance in colors whatsoever. So, I wouldn't add that the palette swap resembles him; he's just too different. Rtzxy Reflect!!! 22:55, 8 November 2014 (EST)

You might notice I haven't edited anything on the main page yet, I was bringing it up here first. Yeah, I agree the resemblance is not nearly as strong in his official art, I had noticed that. The trophy was mainly what gave me the idea, but like I said earlier, it might be too much of a stretch. Oh well. *shrug* Banryu (talk) 20:37, 9 November 2014 (EST)

Regarding Recent Changes

Toomai, I'm wondering why you deleted the Mewtwo section, as well as what the unconfirmed tab that you added means? Gpev96 (SHAZAM!) (talk) 14:42, 12 November 2014 (EST)

Until we actually know something about Mewtwo there's no point in having him. And the unconfirmed tab will eventually contain the color each swap represents in the Find Mii stage, or the Tournament in Wii U ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 14:47, 12 November 2014 (EST)

Thanks for clearing that upGpev96 (SHAZAM!) (talk) 15:18, 12 November 2014 (EST)

Cleanup?

What does the cleanup note mean? Where are the "claimed sources"? Kenniky 18:32, 12 November 2014 (EST)

Find Mii Colors

I hate to make two discussion posts right after one another, but 1) where's the source that states that the powerups on Find Mii are color-based and 2) why is Green Yoshi classified as Chartreuse? Where'd that info come from? It'd make more sense if he was Green.

Sorry if I'm being a bit nitpicky, but we can't really claim something without a source... Kenniky 18:39, 12 November 2014 (EST)

See this previous discussion.

As for your second question, I happen to know that red Yoshi and red Kirby match, but green Yoshi and green Kirby don't. Therefore, they're not the same shade of green, and Kirby is darker, so Yoshi's the other one. Toomai Glittershine The Spectrum 20:51, 12 November 2014 (EST)

The actual color name for Miis (using Find Mii and Tomodachi Life as the name source) is Light Green. PikaSamus (talk) 20:56, 12 November 2014 (EST)

Bearing in mind that were startinga Find Mii colors column, should the defaults that aren't clearly one color or another just be named Default. Like Fox's Grey, Falco's white, and Ike's Tan. I mean Tan, really... Allsalts (talk) 17:56, 13 November 2014 (EST)

Ok, thanks. Wasn't really sure where that came from. I might do some testing eventually using characters like Yoshi, Kirby, and the Mii Fighters (guys why didn't we use the Mii Fighters from the beginning it would have been a lot easier :P) Kenniky Talk 21:11, 13 November 2014 (EST)

Have people not been using Mii Fighters? I have been the whole time, which I think gives more accurate results. It's always possible there was a data-entry error, so the further a test is from being tested against Mii, the more likely it is to be wrong. --SnorlaxMonster 06:33, 15 November 2014 (EST)

I started by comparing the reds and greens of Yoshi and Kirby, discovering that the greens were different while the reds were the same. I did use a Mii at some point to confirm, but I mostly just chain-reacted from there. Toomai Glittershine The Aurum 10:51, 15 November 2014 (EST)

Kirby's 8th color?

Isn't Kirby's 8th palette based on "Shadow Kirby", the final boss of Kirby Triple Deluxe's "Kirby Fighters" minigames? 68.119.28.72 22:26, 12 November 2014 (EST)

Shadow Kirby is a light purple. PikaSamus (talk) 22:28, 12 November 2014 (EST)

Ganondorf's Grey Colour

I was about to edit Ganondorf's grey palette swap, but I noticed someone had added a short note stating that it's "not a reference to Yuga from A Link Between Worlds", so I hesitated. Now… I actually don't think that palette is referencing Yuga. I think it's inspired by Demise from Skyward Sword. It's a bit of a stretch, but it fits well if you break it down. His general colour scheme changes from black, purple, and gold to black, red, and grey. His cape and waist ornaments contain a bit of gold, as well. On top of that, his head and hands are an unnatural ashen colour, almost white. His hair is a bright red with an orange tint towards the sideburns. Compare that information with this image of Demise. I think the connection was a little hard to make for some people because of his pants being made such a striking red, whereas Demise's red is more subtle. So, does anyone agree with this conclusion? I did my best to make as strong of a point for this as possible. FateSystem (talk) 04:17, 16 November 2014 (EST)

Ganon's skin tone does match Yuga's. The distinction between whether one or the other is white or grey is negligible and really only depends on lighting. Compare both their in game models and official artwork. http://imgur.com/kmewV9d

Zant also has white skin and red hair, and the maroonish red of his pants Ganon's pants is the same color as Zant's bib.

It's definitely a reference to Zant and or Yuga. That note didn't make much sense. Allsalts (talk) 19:07, 18 November 2014 (EST)

No, I still stand by my claim after everything you presented. The skin tone is similar, but it's not Yuga. His headpiece changes from gold to silver, and there's no sign of any deep purple or blue in his outfit. His cape and pants don't even fit Yuga's colour scheme in the slightest. The Zant idea makes a little more sense, but I'm still inclined to disagree, given the lack of bluish green in his outfit and several wildly placed colours. In fact, something I've also noticed is that, in the artwork at least, the stone on Ganondorf's head turns from a light yellow to a pure white. To me, this bears a resemblance to Demise's white scar on his forehead. That nearly cements the inspiration behind this costume to me. FateSystem (talk) 02:14, 21 November 2014 (EST)

I can see where you are both coming from, and I personally think that it is a reference to multiple other antagonists in one look. Just a thought. Gpev96 (SHAZAM!) (talk) 09:15, 21 November 2014 (EST)

Going back and looking at Yuga's official artwork, I see no similarities between the two... Aidan the Gamer 09:30, 21 November 2014 (EST)

Non-Find Mii Colors

Shouldn't Sheiks colors be Blue and Purple instead of Purple and Pink. Going by the Wii U model and head icon rather than the 3DS model. Allsalts (talk) 19:36, 26 November 2014 (EST)

I think it could go either way; #3 is very close between blue and purple in my opinion. We should get more opinions before making a change. Toomai Glittershine The Undirigible 10:34, 28 November 2014 (EST)

Meta Knight's 5th Color Scheme

Which Event Matches are these? I've completed all of the Events, and there wasn't one that featured this particular color scheme. LimitCrown (talk) 13:56, 28 November 2014 (EST)

Co-op, I believe. Laikue (talk | contribs) 18:43, 28 November 2014 (EST)

Oh. That explains why I haven't seen it. LimitCrown (talk) 03:05, 29 November 2014 (EST)

Mii Fighters hats and outfits

Should we get images of every outfit and hat? And possibly each of the colors of the outfits? Doubting the latter, but I think the former would be good, as the Mii Fighter section frankly..... looks bad. Laikue (talk | contribs) 18:50, 28 November 2014 (EST)

I don't suggest putting the images on the page itself, as it'll just inflate an already large page. If we can instead do something like this page, then I wouldn't mind; I just wouldn't put the images on this article itself. Rtzxy Reflect! 18:55, 28 November 2014 (EST)

That would go best on the page(s) that should get made for Mii outfits and/or hats. Toomai Glittershine The Orchestral 18:59, 28 November 2014 (EST)

Mr. Game & Watch's white palette swap

I think his white palette swap is supposed to look like an off Game & Watch LCD frame, but made opaque to keep him visible. Should I add that info to his section? WindozeNT (talk) 21:30, 4 December 2014 (EST)

The white G&W is lighter than that. BlueStreak 21:32, 4 December 2014 (EST)

They would've likely lightened it up differentiate from his default color. WindozeNT (talk) 21:46, 5 December 2014 (EST)

How would lighting it up make a difference? White is nowhere near black. BlueStreak 11:08, 6 December 2014 (EST)

Marth's black and yellow outfit.

The Majority of the outfit is black with only yellow trimmings, thus I'm hesitant to count it as a reference to Partner Units who have an almost entirely yellow colorscheme. Combined with partner units not showing up in any of the Archanea games, I think its more likely to assume outfit is a reference to Camus outfit, which is indeed Black with yellow trimming. Delsait (talk) 00:11, 12 December 2014 (EST)

It has yellow trimmings, a yellow gemstone, and the interior of the cape is yellow. Camus has never had a yellow cape. Also all of marth's swaps have yellow trimmings so that in itself isn't significant. Marth's red swap is also mostly black. Its kind of a pattern. Blue and Green are cool colors and most of those swaps are the color. Red and Yellow are warm colors so they get paired with black. Yellow units never appeared in Archanea games but they were in the Judgral games before Melee came out. If you look at his Melee swaps and count the black swap as the 'yellowish' one, then he has the four primary colors and white as a character shout out to Leif who almost got into to Melee but lost out to Roy. The fact that Find Mii counts this as a yellow costume instead of a black costume is also points to the partner unit argument.

Either way its not Camus. I agree that either his first four swaps should represent Player, Other, Enemy, Partner together or not at all.