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Revision as of 21:07, July 26, 2014

This article is about Ness's appearance in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. For the character in other contexts, see Ness.
Ness
in Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Ness
EarthboundSymbol.svg
Universe EarthBound
Other playable appearances in SSB
in Melee

Availability Unlockable
Final Smash PK Starstorm
Tier D (26)
Ness (SSBB)

Ness (Japanese: ネス, Nesu) is an unlockable character in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and has appeared in every installment of the Smash Bros. series thus far. Ness is one of the only four unlockable characters to appear in the opening cinematic of Brawl. The three others sharing this attribute are Marth, Snake, and Sonic.

Ness has been buffed from Super Smash Bros. Melee to Brawl. As a result, he is currently ranked 26th on the tier list (mid tier), rather than 23rd (bottom tier) as he was in Melee. Ness possesses a strong aerial game with very useful aerial attacks, as well as effective tilts, effective throws, a projectile with great trapping and damage potential in PK Fire, a versatile projectile capable of very early KOs and mindgames in PK Thunder, and multiple powerful, reliable finishers (such as his back throw and back aerial). Ness is greatly hindered however, by his limited and easily disruptable recovery, the rather poor reach in most of his attacks, possessing one of the worst set of smash attacks, and by the 10 additional frames of lag he suffers when grab released, leaving him vulnerable to grab release followups from almost every character, as well as infinite and zero to death grab release chain grabs (most infamously from Marth and Donkey Kong, but also Charizard and Squirtle). Ness overall has poor matchups with several counters, and he has had average tournament results.

How to unlock

Complete one of the following:

With the exception of the third method, Ness must then be defeated on Onett.

Attributes

Generalizing Ness is difficult. He generally runs a unique, versatile role, employing three different projectiles with differing purposes. Generally, the moves have modest lag and decent knockback, his PK Fire leads well into other attacks, and his PK Thunder can trap opponents and lead into PK Thunder 2, one of the strongest attacks in the game. Also, PK Thunder and PK Flash both leave Ness very vulnerable because he can't move or attack when controlling these projectiles. Ness can use his PSI Magnet to absorb any energy projectile. The best for Ness, however, are his powerful throws, most notably his back throw, the only throw in Brawl that can reliably KO under 150% without relying on being on the edge and bad DI. Combining these with proper projectile use and appropriate Smash timing, and Ness can be a powerful foe. Shield Grabs tend to be a problem for Ness because of his below average standing grab range. Ness is fairly balanced in the areas of weight, falling speed, and air speed with none of them being particularly good nor particularly bad.

Ness' true game can be found by utilizing his aerials. Ness is one of the very few characters in the game who can perform two aerials in one shorthop (Double Aerial Shuffle). This requires practice though because one needs to do the aerial immediately when one jumps off the ground. His ground game is decent but not great. With slow dash speed and short range tilts, he suffers fighting people with disjointed hitboxes such as Ike or Marth. The only upside of his tilts are that they come out very quickly, which can be used to rack up damage. His forward smash, although powerful, is slow. His up smash, though weak in terms of knockback, is very versatile when used properly, being one of the only two smash attacks able to damage people while charging, the other being Ness's down smash. All of Ness's smashes also give Ness some much needed range in his ground game.

Ness's major problems are his poor ground grab release and recovery. He and Lucas both suffer from having extremely long grab release animations. Most characters have some sort of ground grab release on Ness, and/or Lucas, leading to chaingrabs, infinities in walls, and other moderate to major problems. An example would be Marth's 0-death on Ness and Lucas. Another example is Wario using his forward smash out of the grab release, which Ness can't avoid. As mentioned above, Ness's other major problem is his using of PK Thunder 2 as a recovery move. Although Ness has a very large 2nd jump (second only to Yoshi's in terms of height), his PK Thunder, though faster than Lucas' PK Thunder, has a much wider turning axle, thus requiring more room for Ness to recover than Lucas. Its PK Thunder 2 also travels less distance than Lucas' version. In addition, his PK Thunder will stop in its tracks when it hits most projectiles, walls, or a character. As such, some opponents may take a risk and jump in front of PK Thunder's path to intercept Ness's recovery, giving Ness little to no hope of making it back onstage, which is easier with disjointed moves. However, this is a risky way of intercepting Ness's recovery, due to his recovery move having an extreme amount of knockback, KOing below 50% in most situations, although a projectile could still be used to halt his recovery, especially if it's controllable.

Ness's double jump has a unique quality that sets it apart from others in the game. It consists of four Psi flashes that propel him upward. If Ness uses an aerial or air dodge at the beginning of the jump, he will obtain a directional boost depending on the aerial used and if it is used on the first or second flash (his up aerial gives the longest boost, and the boost is longer if activated on the first flash). He can also use his double jump from the ground if the jump button is pressed during lag, which is helpful for starting up aerial combos. Using an aerial will make Ness move up faster, which complies for his slow double-fump and floatiness. After this, he will take a small pause in the air as a "filler" for the frames lost by the faster double-jump.

Changes from Melee to Brawl

Ness has, for the most part, been buffed from Melee to Brawl, although there are minor nerfs as well.

  • Buff His back aerial is somewhat stronger and has a slightly bigger sweet-spot compared to Melee version. And its sourspot is also much larger, greatly increasing the move's overall range.
  • Buff PK Thunder travels in a tighter arc, making it easier to hit himself.
  • Buff His up aerial now has a bit shorter range, but is much more powerful at high percentages, and can be used as a effective vertical finisher.
  • Buff His up and down smashes are stronger, have greater knockback and are able to KO at very high percentages (though they are still among the weakest up and down smashes).
  • Buff His down aerial is faster, stronger, has much better range, making it easier to meteor smash. It also has a powerful sourspot.
  • Buff Dash grab has better range, is faster, and has little ending lag.
  • Buff Back throw is slightly more powerful.
  • Buff PK Fire activates faster.
  • Buff Ness' double jump gets a directional boost upon using an aerial or air dodge at the beginning, slightly improving his ledge game.
  • Nerf 10 extra frames were added onto his grab release animation, which makes him vulnerable to chain grab releases.
  • Nerf He can only double jump cancel by using a special move. Aerials instead make him continue rising with the double jump, hindering his on-stage midair game, but slightly improving his ledge game.
  • Nerf His Forward Smash is slower (hits on frame 22 instead of frame 16).
  • Change His forward and down throws now send foes at a higher angle.
  • Change PK Flash activates faster and charges and travels further, but is less controllable in horizontal direction. Also, it goes further down than where it starts (it doesn't activate automatically once it hits the ground) and hits in a smaller radius.

In terms of purely cosmetic changes, he is no longer a starter character (though he can be one of the first characters to unlock; Captain Falcon was also changed back to hidden character status). His Victory Theme changed from an orchestrated version of the second half of the "Soundstone Melodies" (from EarthBound) to a sped-up section of the Mother Title theme. Both Ness and Lucas share the same Victory Theme. His yo-yo gained a new design. When Ness activates PK Fire, a different voice sample is used. PSI Magnet's color changed from blue to purple. His "toppling" animation was changed to match Lucas' animation. PK Flash also has a different animation. He gained new palette swaps, not all of which are just recolors of his striped shirt, which makes Ness the first in the Mother series to not wear a striped shirt. He has a new Star KO scream. His running grab animation no longer has Ness leaning forward hopping if missed. Finally, his Forward Smash produces a more realistic sound, similar to a baseball bat hitting a baseball, when connecting with the opponent instead of the echoing sound of the Home-Run Bat.

Moveset

Ground attacks

Normal

  • Neutral attack - Jabs twice and kicks. First hit does 3%, second hit 2% and third hit inflicts 4%. Ness has the ability to jab lock. Start-up of 3 frames.
  • Dash attack - Sends three PSI sparks out in front of him with the third spark knocking the opponent up into the air. Start-up of 7 frames. Does 5% on the first hit, 4% second hit, and 4% third hit. Each hit sends the opponent in a different direction, with different knockback. Great, disjointed range. If all hits connect, it can be followed up by an aerial combo. This move resembles PSI Brainshock from Earthbound, as it sends the opponent in different directions, resembling the "Feeling Strange" effect in Earthbound.
  • Forward tilt - Kicks out in front of him. Hits on frame 7. Can be tilted upward or downward. Downward, 10%. Forward, 11%. Upward, 12%. Mediocre range but rather strong knockback for a tilt, having KO power above 150%.
  • Up tilt - Raises his hands, which grow large, up into the air. Quick start-up (5 frames) and it can juggle, but it has short reach (especially horizontally). Does 7% damage.
  • Down tilt - Ness crouches and very quickly kicks out in front of him. The quickest d-tilt (hitbox out on frame 3) and one of the overall fastest attacks in the game (can be used multiple times in a row to rack up damage). This is augmented by the fact that it has IASA frames on frame 5. Inflicts 4% each hit. Has 50% chance of tripping opponent, but a 100% chance if sweetspotted. If it trips the opponent, it combos well into his Up Smash, Side Tilt, Forward Smash, or Down Tilt again. Has extremely short reach and it semi-spikes opponents, but due to extremely low knockback, it's only noticeable at enormous percentages. Very useful in Home-Run Contest as it will cancel the knockback of an attack the partner is doing, allowing it to rack up huge damage in conjunction with moves such as Hand Slap. It can also rack up damage quickly on grounded Bosses due to its good interruptibility. However, the hurtboxes of Galleom and Duon are too far for Ness to reach from a standing point, and it is too dangerous to use this on Porky (as his hurtbox is a hitbox itself).

Smash attacks

Ness' up and down smashes don't show the usual display while charging.

  • Forward smash - Ness swings his bat. The bat has three hitboxes, with the tip being the sweetspot and the handle being the sourspot. Similar to Lucas' Forward Smash, but with a much more start-up (21 frames) and ending lag, slightly more power when sweetspotted, and slightly longer range. One of Ness' more average KOing moves. When fully charged and tipped, it KOs at 59%. Can reflect projectiles if timed correctly. 18%-24% uncharged, 25%-33% fully charged.
  • Up smash - Ness sends his yo-yo forward and performs "around-the-world" over himself, with the yo-yo ending behind him before he pulls it back. This is one of only two smash attacks in the game, along with his down smash, that do damage while it charges, which actually isn't a charge at all, since the yo-yo briefly shines when "charging". If connected properly, the opponent hit by the forward yo-yo will then be sent up to be hit by the swinging yo-yo and then sent up into the air. Does 4% while "charging", 9% on opponents in front on the ground, 13% on opponents in the air or behind Ness. Very low knockback for a smash attack. Mostly used to rack up damage, set up combos or clear some space. This smash's power is unaffected by charging and can collide with aerial hitboxes. Hits on frame 9-15.
  • Down smash - Ness sends his yo-yo backwards and "walks-the-dog" with it before pulling the yo-yo back. Works much like Ness' Up Smash. Inflicts 4% while "charging", 13% during the actual attack. If connected properly (the first hit), the enemy will be hit twice. Certain characters like Link, Sonic, and a few others for some odd reason will only be hit by the weaker hitbox, and will be sent over the stronger hitbox, only doing 4%. Ness can't charge his down smash while on the edge of any platform. Good range, but very weak in terms of knockback. Like his up smash, its power is unaffected by charging and it can collide with aerial hitboxes. Hits on frame 10-17.

Other attacks

  • Ledge attack - Flips onto the stage and does a sweep kick, usually only 1 hit connects. Sends opponent behind Ness. 8%.
  • 100% ledge attack - Slowly pulls himself up and delivers a powerful punch. Arm hitbox sends opponents behind Ness. 10%.
  • Floor attack - Gets up and kicks backward, then spins around and kicks in front of him. Usually only 1 hit connects. Sends opponent behind Ness. 6%.
  • Trip attack - Gets up on his hands, kicks backwards, then brings his legs under him and kicks in front of him. 5%.

Aerial attacks

  • Neutral air - Spins diagonally in the air with arms outstretched. Ness' fastest aerial (start-up of 5 frames). A single, long lasting, hit with moderate knockback. Has no landing lag. Inflicts 11%.
  • Forward air - Ness sticks out his palms sending a stream of PSI sparks in front of him. Very similar to his dash attack and is excellent at disrupting opponents with its multiple, disjointed hitboxes. Four hits of 2%, then one hit of 4% totaling to 12%. Its sourspot can sometimes trip opponents, leading into a jab lock. Its range changes depending on the direction Ness is traveling; having decent reach while approaching, good reach while not moving, and is Ness' longest ranged aerial attack while retreating. Ness can chain this attack into his second jump by using it at the same time as the jump. Hits on frame 8, 14, 20, 26 and 33.
  • Back air - Kicks out backwards with both feet. When sweetspotted, it deals electrical damage with great horizontal knockback. The sourspot easily combos with many of Ness' aerials. One of Ness' KOing moves. Does 8% normal, 15% sweetspotted. Like Ness' Fair, its range expands as Ness is retreating. Generally considered Ness' best aerial due to its power, low start-up (10 frames) and ending lag, high combo potential and good reach.
  • Up air - Headbutts up into the air. Great for juggling as it has low base knockback, but its high knockback scaling makes it a reliable vertical finisher past 125% if at full power. Hits on frame 8. Quite a few can be chained together at low %s. Another of Ness' KOing moves. Inflicts 13% damage.
  • Down air - Ness pulls his legs to his body before stomping down into the air. This attack can meteor smash but has a small bit of start-up lag (20 frames). When timed right, it is one of the best meteor smashes in the game. It can KO opponents at 0% offstage when at low height due to its extremely high base knockback, but from high heights, some characters can still recover from it, even at high percentages due to its very low knockback scaling. It has huge disjointed range, almost the size of Ness' approaching Fair surrounding his whole body. If the sourspot connects, it deals large horizontal knockback instead. Does 12% damage. Can be auto-canceled, which can lead to many combos at low to medium percentages (down aerial in a ground opponent followed by a string of up aerials or other aerial move for example). It has a sourspot on the back of his hip that increases to cover most of his leg after the first few frames. It launches opponents behind Ness at a 35 degrees. It does 9% and is a reliable finisher at high percentages if spaced correctly.

Grabs and throws

Ness has one of the fastest set of grabs in the game.

  • Standing grab - Below average range, making it somewhat difficult for Ness to shieldgrab. However, it's very fast.
  • Dash grab - Very large range and very fast for a dash grab, going virtually unpunished most of the time. Possibly one of the game's best dash grabs.
  • Pivot grab - Large range and vertical height compared to Ness' size. One of the game's better pivot grabs. Is quite fast.
  • Pummel - Ness pummels the opponent with headbutts. Has an odd rhythm to it, and if timed right it is remarkably fast. 1% each hit. Since it is a 1% pummel, only the first hit counts towards stale-move negation.
  • Forward throw - Psychokinetically swings his opponent in a small circle in front of himself before sending them off forward. The opposite of his back throw, it has very high base knockback but very low knockback scaling. It changes from Ness' best throw to his worst as the enemy's damage increases. Its high base knockback allows it to set up edgeguard opportunities effectively at even very low percentages. 11%.
  • Back throw - Psychokinetically swings the opponent over his head before sending them off backwards, in a diagonally upwards motion. Has extremely low base knockback but very high knockback scaling. The knockback (as well as angle) fluctuates from barely noticeable to significant depending on percent. At about 90-140% it can KO any character quite easily changing from the games worst throw to the best. It is the strongest throw in the game due to having, by far, the highest knockback scaling. 11%.
  • Up throw - Psychokinetically spins the opponent above his head before sending them up. Leads into many PK Thunder tricks and juggles. Good knockback for an up throw, though the opponent will have to be around 200% to actually KO. 10%.
  • Down throw - Throws his opponent down and shoots out fire onto his opponent. Combined with pummeling and PK Fire it can be used to rack up a high amount of damage quickly. This can be followed up with a down aerial that will often KO if the opponent is grabbed at the edge of the stage (with Ness facing the edge). Has little stun, making it easy for opponents to jump out of. 5 hits of 1%, then 4%.

Special moves

Taunts

  • Up taunt - Ness bows and says "Okay." Ness' Up taunt is a reference to the naming screen in Ness' game EarthBound. When one confirms the name one is giving a character, one hears a sound effect of the game's creator, Shigesato Itoi, say "Ok desu ka." which means "Is that okay?" in Japanese. The sound effect was never translated into the English language, which is why it is Japanese in Earthbound.
  • Down taunt - Ness creates PSI sparkles on his fingers while saying "Hah!"
  • Side taunt - Ness points his bat outward and says "Huah!"

Idle poses

  • Closes his eyes and places his finger to his forehead, similar to Lucas' Down taunt
  • Looks back

Victory poses

  • Smashes his baseball bat multiple times in the air before posing with it.
  • Skips with his arms out before nodding his head twice.
  • Looks around nervously before loosening up and rubbing the back of his neck.

On-screen appearance

Ness teleports onscreen using PK Teleport, then shakes off the soot gathered after crashing.

Cheer

Ness's NTSC and PAL cheer

Ness! Ness! Ness! OOOO!

In competitive play

Matchups

Notable players

See also: Category:Ness professionals (SSBB)

Tier placement and history

Ness hasn't seen a fair share of change in his metagame. He was originally seen as a low tier character, lying at the low tier at 31st. He did increase to 27th by the third tier list as new Ness professionals were discovered, and he stayed there for every single tier list in Brawl, until the last one, where he was slightly bolstered by one tier.

Role in The Subspace Emissary

Ness' appearance in the SSE

Ness shows up saving Lucas from the giant Pig King Statue, which is soon revealed to be their mutual nemesis, Porky Minch. Lucas and Ness team up to defeat Porky and his machine. Afterwards, Wario attacks him with his Dark Cannon, but Ness successfully dodges each shot. Wario, however, then aims at Lucas, forcing Ness to push Lucas out of harm's way and take the trophy-izing arrow from the Dark Cannon. As Lucas is too scared to face Wario, he leaves Ness behind as Wario cackles in the rain. Most of Lucas's story in SSE involves getting revenge on Wario and trying to find Ness.

As Wario is driving his Cargo with Ness' and Peach/Zelda's trophies on board, he finds Luigi's trophy and prepares to take it until he's ambushed by an army of Waddle Dees, who throw Luigi's trophy into the cargo, which is stolen by King Dedede. At his hideout, Dedede puts a badge on Luigi's, Ness', and Peach/Zelda's trophies before the roof collapses on them and Bowser takes Peach/Zelda's trophy.

Later on, Ness and Luigi are revived, thanks to the Dedede Badges. Upon inspecting Luigi's badge, he notices that it looks like Dedede, and, assuming that Dedede made them, proceeds to revive him. Upon being revived, King Dedede gives both of them a hug before they team up and rescue Lucas, along with most of the other characters, to defeat Tabuu.

Playable appearances

Ness was captured by Wario during The Ruined Zoo, and he is brought into King Dedede's castle after he previously stole Wario's trophy cart. But after The Cave, a Subspace Bomb was detonated near his castle, bringing Ness into Subspace.

Costumes

Ness's alternate costumes in SSBB

Trophy

Ness's trophy is obtained by clearing Classic Mode as Ness.

Ness's trophy in Brawl

Description

An average boy whose life changed when he found a meteor and an alien on a nearby mountain. The alien warned him of a future threat, and adventure ensued. He can use psychic energy known as PSI and also wields a bat and yo-yo. This brave youth gives his all to defeat the evil Giygas.

SNES: EarthBound (Japan and US Only)
N64: Super Smash Bros.

Trivia

  • Despite being the first character unlocked through playing Brawls, Ness is one of the last characters unlocked by playing Subspace Emissary. He is also the first unlockable character to be playable in the Subspace Emissary, despite not joining the player's team until near the end of the game.
  • Strangely, Ness has teeth during the cutscenes of the Subspace Emissary, but not during the actual gameplay. Lucas has this distinction as well.
  • When in metal form, Ness' bat is also metal, but his yo-yo is not.
  • Ness' yo-yo says "Super Nintendo 2008" along the top, above "MOTHER."
  • While Ness' game (EarthBound) was released in North America and takes place in a stand-in for America, his in-game voice in the Super Smash Bros. series speaks with a Japanese accent, whereas Lucas, whose game (Mother 3) was released only in Japan, speaks using an American accent.
  • PK Flash is the only special attack he uses in Brawl that he can actually learn in EarthBound. His other moves (PK Fire, PK Thunder, PSI Magnet, and PK Starstorm) are learned by Paula and/or Poo.
  • Ness and Captain Falcon are the only two characters to have their unlockability status change between games.
  • Ness, King Dedede, Mario, Diddy Kong, and R.O.B are the only characters to wear their default costumes in team battles when they are on the red team.
  • Ness is the only fighter to have his trophy list another Smash Bros. game for his game appearances.
  • There is a glitch involving Ness that was discovered by the SLAPAHO crew that lets Ness's yoyo stay by his side while he is using the rest of his attacks (most notably his forward smash, whereas the yoyo sticks to the bat). This glitch has been dubbed the SLAPAYO glitch, and it has been percieved as a very hard glitch to achieve.
  • Ness is the only fighter to be unlocked on a Melee Stage.
  • He and Sonic have a small grab jump.

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