Forum:Smash Arena Suggestions

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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the Smash Arena. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

Rules

Posting suggestions

• Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
  • Outside very specific circumstances, no fights are allowed between combatants that only appear in a game that has yet to be released.
• If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
• Check this list to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred 100 or more rounds ago. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
• Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post one suggestion per week (i.e. one every seven days).
• Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with ~~~~ and a # in front of it (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with ~~~~).
• Place new suggestions at the bottom of the page.
• You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
  • If your suggestion is removed because it's invalid or because your week isn't up, it doesn't count as your suggestion for that week. That said, users who constantly post invalid or rapid-fire suggestions may be suspended from suggesting for a few weeks, and may risk probation.
• Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.

Voting and comments

• Don't vote on your own suggestion.
• Post why you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
• The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
• Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
• Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself. This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.

Acceptance or rejection

• The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights. Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
• Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
• Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
  • In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
• If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
• Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.

Tips

• In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
• Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
• While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
• Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
• The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.

Queue

The current queue is as such:

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Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

Show Your Support

	LADIES & GENTS! Come to the Smash Arena and vote on Round 132: Bayonetta vs. Sora!

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Template

To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts:

==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

===Support===

===Oppose===

===Comments===

Suggestions

Isai vs. Ken vs. Mew2King

The claimed best in their respective games. I think this should be a match because each is respected but each has things people find things to love and/or hate about them. 173.23.161.252 17:32, 14 February 2014 (EST)

Stock Ball VS Trophy Stand VS Key

There the 3 subspace exclusive items! --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 09:28, 13 January 2014 (EST)

Support

1. This is a great and original idea for a battle. I really can't think of any logical reason to oppose it. ChuckNorris 16:48, 17 January 2014 (EST)
2. They are important items in the SSE. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 23:20, 24 January 2014 (EST)
3. Hilarious. I'm all for it just because the idea is silly enough to be good. Dragon5 (talk) 23:27, 24 January 2014 (EST)
4. 75.156.151.217 13:51, 1 February 2014 (EST)
5. I like the Idea, feel it would be better as Stock Ball vs. Key, though. Laikue (talk) 11:15, 13 February 2014 (EST)

Oppose

1. A extra life vs. a Poké Ball like device vs a key? Its obvious that you need keys and this doesn't seem fitting in general. Dots (talk) The Doomguy 16:29, 14 January 2014 (EST)
2. They're too different. 75.85.64.155 23:36, 21 January 2014 (EST)

Onett vs Fourside

Yes, the two EarthBound stages from Melee. Has this been done yet? Probably yes, but if so, 100 rounds ago, so...yeah. 109.152.11.128 03:27, 14 January 2014 (EST)

Support

1. I will vote for Fourside --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 11:25, 14 January 2014 (EST)
2. Don't get confused with thinking that its a rematch guys. It was Fourside vs. New Pork City that was done long ago. This is a fine match. Dots (talk) The Doomguy 16:29, 14 January 2014 (EST)
3. 192.197.128.170 12:35, 17 January 2014 (EST)
4. I'm getting EarthBound on Monday! ChuckNorris 16:48, 17 January 2014 (EST)
5. 75.156.151.217 21:21, 17 January 2014 (EST)
6. Nice idea. SSBBNess (talk) 15:07, 20 January 2014 (EST)
7. Oh god I need to see this.75.85.64.155 23:36, 21 January 2014 (EST)
8. JamesHeart 00:43, 7 February 2014 (EST)
9. Agreed! Laikue (talk) 11:15, 13 February 2014 (EST)

Comments

@TheLegendaryKRB, Don't tell us who you're voting for on this page,

• Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself. This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 12:23, 14 January 2014 (EST)

Sonic vs. Samus

They may seem like totally different characters, but they can actually relate pretty well. Aside from them both having names with five letters (including three consonants and two vowels) that start with the letter 'S', Sonic and Samus oftentimes travel in alternative forms in the shape of balls (Sonic's is known as the "Spin Ball", and Samus's is the Morph Ball); they even have their own pinball games. They also use these alternative forms to attack their enemies, with Sonic simply pouncing and Samus laying bombs. A majority of both these heroes' enemies are mechanical, and they both have dark or evil versions of themselves (for Sonic, it's Shadow and Metal Sonic, and for Samus, it's Dark Samus). Sometimes, Sonic finds himself carrying the world on his shoulders, and Samus finds herself carrying the galaxy on hers. Who would take the victory in this bout: the fastest thing alive, or a highly skilled intergalactic bounty hunter? blue ninjakoopa 15:47, 15 January 2014 (EST)

Support

1. Dots (talk) The Half-Life 16:17, 15 January 2014 (EST)
2. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 16:24, 15 January 2014 (EST)
3. Now that you mention it, they do have a lot in common. Harro (talk) 19:11, 15 January 2014 (EST)
4. One more thing. Another opposite of Samus is SA-X --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 20:17, 15 January 2014 (EST)
5. Good. ChuckNorris 16:48, 17 January 2014 (EST)
6. 75.156.151.217 21:21, 17 January 2014 (EST)
7. SSBBNess (talk) 15:07, 20 January 2014 (EST)
8. Can't believe I never thought of this.... Laikue (talk) 11:16, 13 February 2014 (EST)

Oppose

1. It...just doesnt seem right...75.85.64.155 23:36, 21 January 2014 (EST)

Comments

By the way, Sonic has another dark form in Dark Sonic.Harro (talk) 06:15, 1 February 2014 (EST)

Peach Blossom vs. Negative Zone

Two Mario universe final smashes which only stuns opponents and leaving them vulnerable to KOs instead of directly KOing them. Will it be the one which provides health replenishing items and only has one way of stunning or the one with a variety of ways to disable opponents? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 22:27, 15 January 2014 (EST)

Support

1. Dots (talk) The Ball 22:44, 15 January 2014 (EST)
2. --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 23:41, 15 January 2014 (EST)
3. 192.197.128.170 12:35, 17 January 2014 (EST)
4. Scr7(talk · contribs) 12:40, 17 January 2014 (EST)
5. Two Final Smashes that make Mario fans go, "What the hell happened in the developers' mindsets? That isn't anything REPRESENTATIVE of the Mario series!" that day. Green Mario 14:04, 17 January 2014 (EST)
6. Per Green Mario. Both are rather random. ChuckNorris 16:48, 17 January 2014 (EST)
7. 75.156.151.217 21:21, 17 January 2014 (EST)
8. I think this is going to be my favorite smash arena. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.64.155 (talk • contribs) January 21, 2014 (EST)
9. JamesHeart 00:43, 7 February 2014 (EST)

Mario (universe) vs. The Legend of Zelda (universe) vs. Kirby (universe) vs. Pokémon (universe)

Nintendo's four largest franchises go head-to-head in a battle of popularity! Which beloved series will win it all? ChuckNorris 16:48, 17 January 2014 (EST)

Support

1. I actually love this idea because it adds variety to the arena. I mean, you can't just have random fighter/item/trophy vs fighter/item/trophy every week!Harro (talk) 06:21, 1 February 2014 (EST)
2. I love the idea. Heck, these universes deserve their OWN arena-type thing. BTW Pokemon rules.

Oppose

1. Too broad and is probably less Smash oriented. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 17:18, 17 January 2014 (EST)
2. Its a match of four so its too much. Dots (talk) The Wolf 19:18, 17 January 2014 (EST)
3. I highly doubt this could work. Requiem of Ice (talk) 22:30, 17 January 2014 (EST)
4. Not really smash oriented imo Scr7(talk · contribs) 05:53, 18 January 2014 (EST)
5. Too many.75.85.64.155 23:36, 21 January 2014 (EST)
6. There's nothing good, or unique about this fight.... Laikue (talk) 11:17, 13 February 2014 (EST)

Star KO vs. Screen KO

Shoot for the moon (or have someone help you). If you miss, you will land among the stars. Or, you can have your beautiful backside covering the screen for a split second. Both are hilarious, though. Green Mario 23:45, 17 January 2014 (EST)

Support

1. Yeah. Scr7(talk · contribs) 05:53, 18 January 2014 (EST)
2. Dots (talk) The Hammer 09:07, 18 January 2014 (EST)
3. --108.52.140.218 11:40, 18 January 2014 (EST)
4. 75.156.151.217 14:35, 18 January 2014 (EST)
5. "An excellent idea"--Something I once said when I starred in a school play. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 22:08, 18 January 2014 (EST)
6. --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 00:02, 20 January 2014 (EST)
7. This would be interesting. SSBBNess (talk) 15:07, 20 January 2014 (EST)
8. This will attract a lot of votes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.64.155 (talk • contribs) January 21, 2014 (EST)
9. Very unique. ChuckNorris 14:10, 28 January 2014 (EST)
10. lol207.7.166.96 15:01, 1 February 2014 (EST)

Comments

@ZeldaStarfoxfan2164: Lucky you, I was screened instead! Green Mario 17:38, 21 January 2014 (EST)

Jigglypuff VS Solid Sna- im just kidding. Stone VS Thunder

To casuals these are some of the most nightmarish moves ever and they have been around since the beginning. They are also performed by some of the cutest smash characters and are Down-Bs. Will the Stone smash the electricity or will Thunderbolt be super effective?--TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 16:19, 20 January 2014 (EST)

Support

1. Seeing how they are moves that can potentially Star KO (Stone by catching them off guard if possible, and Thunder for Thunderspiking), I favor this match. Dots (talk) The Operator 20:23, 20 January 2014 (EST)
2. Keep calm and Down B ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 20:33, 20 January 2014 (EST)
3. Top 2 troll moves.75.85.64.155 23:36, 21 January 2014 (EST)
4. 192.197.128.18 12:56, 24 January 2014 (EST)
5. Yup. ChuckNorris 14:10, 28 January 2014 (EST)
6. 75.156.151.217 13:51, 1 February 2014 (EST)

Kirby (SSBB) vs. Meta Knight (SSBB) vs. King Dedede (SSBB)

The three characters from the popular Kirby universe, each with their own distinctive qualities! 75.85.64.155 15:22, 25 January 2014 (EST)

Support

1. I like this HOWEVER just regular Kirby VS Meta Knight VS King Dedede would be a better idea --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 16:23, 25 January 2014 (EST)
2. Over 100 rounds ago we had two way matchups between two kirby characters. Let's see what happens when all three meet? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 16:30, 25 January 2014 (EST)
3. So I'm guessing this is the "vote for you favorite Kirby main character" round. All three of them are pretty famous either way. Dots (talk) The Piano 21:30, 25 January 2014 (EST)
4. As long as Toomai changes it so it isn't only for their Brawl appearances, I'm fine with this match. ChuckNorris 14:10, 28 January 2014 (EST)
5. 75.156.151.217 13:51, 1 February 2014 (EST)

Comments

Well, I see what you're saying, TheLegendaryKRB, but I just thought that MK and King Dedede have only been around for one game, so the battle may become one-sided as people are going to vote for the original and the other two haven't had enough time to become popular. 75.85.64.155 01:47, 26 January 2014 (EST)

Lakitu and Spinies vs. Excitebike vs. Infantry and Tanks

The three 8-bit Assist Trophies. Which is your favorite? ChuckNorris 14:10, 28 January 2014 (EST)

Support

1. Seeing as they spawn with MULTIPLE things to them, of course. Requiem of Ice (talk) 20:50, 28 January 2014 (EST)
2. Yup --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 21:04, 28 January 2014 (EST)
3. Dots (talk) The Marine 16:07, 30 January 2014 (EST)
4. 75.156.151.217 13:51, 1 February 2014 (EST)
5. JamesHeart 00:43, 7 February 2014 (EST)
6. Infantry and Tanks is 16-bit, 2-D would be a better description.

Captain Falcon (SSB) vs. Link (SSB)

My two favorites, and a lot of people's favorites. They weigh the same in the game, they lack what the other needs (Link for speed, Falcon for range), and they have extremely powerful attacks. Ironically, they haven't been done, either. And remember APEX 2012? Requiem of Ice (talk) 21:03, 28 January 2014 (EST)

Support

1. Just barely enough for me to support --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 21:04, 28 January 2014 (EST)
2. Scr7(talk · contribs) 12:25, 29 January 2014 (EST)
3. Dots (talk) The Mr. Saturn 16:08, 29 January 2014 (EST)
4. 75.156.151.217 13:51, 1 February 2014 (EST)

Comments

Captain Falcon actually has pretty decent range in this game, particularly his aerials and forward smash, he just lacks a projectile so he relies on spacing fairs and dash dances against defensive opponents. Also, they both have very lackluster recoveries. Scr7(talk · contribs) 12:25, 29 January 2014 (EST)

True, true. Requiem of Ice (talk) 15:29, 29 January 2014 (EST)

Giga Bowser vs. Beast Ganon

Two evil villians have transformed into monsters. Who is the king of the beasts? Harro (talk) 00:05, 29 January 2014 (EST)

Oppose

1. Was already done. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 10:24, 29 January 2014 (EST)

Sonic VS Snake

Brawl's 3rd party fight --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 10:07, 29 January 2014 (EST)

Support

1. Just because its a rematch doesn't mean the new SmashWiki generation doesn't have to have a say for this matchup. Dots (talk) The Mr. Saturn 16:08, 29 January 2014 (EST)

Oppose

1. This was already done ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 10:24, 29 January 2014 (EST)
2. Too old... Too corny... Last time we did this it wasn't even close so we're gonna have the same result...75.85.64.155 23:18, 30 January 2014 (EST)

Comments

It was? When? --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 10:26, 29 January 2014 (EST)

Round 38 ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 10:39, 29 January 2014 (EST)

Dude, it says, While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie. So, it may have been done, but we can still allow it. Requiem of Ice (talk) 12:27, 29 January 2014 (EST)

It's just that I'm not a fan of Smash Arena rematches.ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 13:30, 29 January 2014 (EST)

Sing VS Rest

2 Jigglypuff moves. One puts you to sleep the other kills you with sleep. Not to mention they are normal things that people can do just act a heck of a lot different when used by Jiggs. Simple --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 21:56, 8 February 2014 (EST)

Support

1. Dots (talk) The Wolf 00:22, 9 February 2014 (EST)
2. 75.156.151.217 20:45, 13 February 2014 (EST)
3. 192.197.128.170 17:07, 14 February 2014 (EST)

Isle of the Ancients vs. Battleship Halberd

Two places floating above the rest of the world of trophies which contains the futuristic levels in the Subspace Emissary. They were also destroyed before entering subspace and have a specific character group for those levels. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 13:27, 10 February 2014 (EST)

Support

1. --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 18:33, 10 February 2014 (EST)
2. Dots (talk) The Melee 20:21, 10 February 2014 (EST)
3. 75.156.151.217 20:45, 13 February 2014 (EST)
4. 192.197.128.170 17:07, 14 February 2014 (EST)