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===Donkey Kong===
===Donkey Kong===
Buffs
Buffs
*Giant Punch is stronger along with improved reach.
*Giant Punch is stronger along with improved reach. (Stronger, yes, more reach, not really)
*Fair meteor smash is slightly stronger.
*Fair meteor smash is slightly stronger. {{n}} (But it is faster)
Nerfs
Nerfs
*Spinning Kong travels slightly less vertically.
*Spinning Kong travels slightly less vertically. {{n}}


===Link===
===Link===
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Buffs
Buffs
*Fair meteor smash is stronger.
*Fair meteor smash is stronger.
*Down air's damage potential was significantly increased from 35% to 55%.
*Down air's damage potential was significantly increased from 35% to 55%. {{n}}
*Smash attacks are stronger.
*Smash attacks are stronger.
*Egg roll is a more useful recovery move.
*Egg roll is a more useful recovery move.
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===Kirby===
===Kirby===
Buffs
Buffs
*A general increase in the power and speed of his attacks.
*A general increase in the power and speed of his attacks. (His attack speed seems to be increased, I believe his power was increased too)
*Air speed was significantly increased and is now the 3rd fastest.
*Air speed was significantly increased and is now the 3rd fastest. {{n}} (but it has been increased)
*Down tilt can now semi-spike.
*Down tilt can now semi-spike. {{n}}
*Back air is now fast enough to perform twice in a single short hop. It's hitbox also lasts longer (as long as his feet are out).
*Back air is now fast enough to perform twice in a single short hop. It's hitbox also lasts longer (as long as his feet are out). {{n}} (But it's knockback scaling is higher)
*Jump hight and speed was significantly increased and is now the 3rd highest.
*Jump hight and speed was significantly increased and is now the 3rd highest. {{n}}
*The first 2 kicks of his forward air have low set knockback, meaning that it always link in to each other at any damage.
*The first 2 kicks of his forward air have low set knockback, meaning that it always link in to each other at any damage.
*Kirby can Kirbycide with large and heavy characters again.
*Kirby can Kirbycide with large and heavy characters again. {{n}}
*Kirby can now wall jump.
*Kirby can now wall jump. {{n}}
*Walking and dashing speed was increased.
*Walking and dashing speed were increased. {{y}}
*Forward smash and down throw have less ending lag.
*Forward smash and down throw have less ending lag. {{n}}
*Vertical endurance was slightly improved.
*Vertical endurance was slightly improved. {{n}}
*Kirby's back air is now a Wall of Pain technique.  
*Kirby's back air is now a Wall of Pain technique. (I think it's been a WOP, yes I'm aware it's a FOP move)
*Traction was increased.
*Traction was increased. {{n}}
*Final Cutter travels slightly farther horizontally, and much more vertically and can now grab a ledge from behind. The meteor smash produced has knockback scaling (38.57). It also grants him invincibility frames when used. It now has a new hitbox just before descent, and it no longer makes Kirby helpless.
*Final Cutter travels slightly farther horizontally, and much more vertically and can now grab a ledge from behind. The meteor smash produced has knockback scaling (38.57). It also grants him invincibility frames when used. It now has a new hitbox just before descent, and it no longer makes Kirby helpless. (Knockback scaling, no, distance appears the same)


===Fox===
===Fox===
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*Air speed was slightly increased.
*Air speed was slightly increased.
*Back air has less ending lag.
*Back air has less ending lag.
*Fox sustains less knockback in SSB4.
*Fox sustains less knockback in SSB4. {{n}}


===Pikachu===
===Pikachu===
Buffs
Buffs
*Down aerial can now meteor smash.
*Down aerial can now meteor smash. {{n}}
*Up smash is much stronger and is the 5th strongest.
*Up smash is much stronger and is the 5th strongest. {{n}}
*Up air can now semi-spike and is stronger.
*Up air can now semi-spike and is stronger. {{n}}


===Luigi===
===Luigi===
Buffs
Buffs
*Down air is much easier to meteor smash with.
*Down air is much easier to meteor smash with. {{y}}
*The hight gained from Super Jump Punch was increased.
*The hight gained from Super Jump Punch was increased. {{n}} (if any thing, it looks like it's been decreased)
*Forward air is stronger.
*Forward air is stronger. {{y}}
*Down tilt is easier to meteor smash.
*Down tilt is easier to meteor smash.
Nerfs
Nerfs
*Nair was weakened significantly.
*Nair was weakened significantly. {{y}}


===Captain Falcon===
===Captain Falcon===
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Buffs
Buffs
*Smashes are more powerful.
*Smashes are more powerful.
*Rest is significantly stronger (it can now KO under 25%).
*Rest is significantly stronger (it can now KO under 25%). (well, it's certainly stronger)
*Up and back airs are stronger.
*Up and back airs are stronger. (back air, yes, up air just has more reach)
*Down air can now meteor smash at higher damages.
*Down air can now meteor smash at higher damages. {{n}}
*Jigglypuff's Wall of Pain is notably more effective.
*Jigglypuff's Wall of Pain is notably more effective. {{n}}


===Falco===
===Falco===
Buffs
Buffs
*Forward smash and down tilt are stronger.
*Forward smash and down tilt are stronger. {{n}}
*Dashing speed was increased.
*Dashing speed was increased. {{n}}
*Air speed was slightly increased.
*Air speed was slightly increased.
*Fire Bird travels slightly farther, improving it's recovery capabilities.
*Fire Bird travels slightly farther, improving it's recovery capabilities. {{y}}
*Back air is slightly stronger and is now fast enough to preform twice in a single short hop.
*Back air is slightly stronger and is now fast enough to preform twice in a single short hop. {{n}}


===Marth===
===Marth===
Buffs
Buffs
*A longer sword has resulted in a general increase in the reach of his attacks.
*A longer sword has resulted in a general increase in the reach of his attacks. {{n}}
*Dashing speed and grab range were slightly increased.
*Dashing speed and grab range were slightly increased. {{n}}
*The sweetspot size of Marth's attacks (the tipper) was increased. (most notably down aerial)
*The sweetspot size of Marth's attacks (the tipper) was increased. (most notably down aerial) {{n}}
*Aerials are stronger when tipped.
*Aerials are stronger when tipped.  


===Bowser===
===Bowser===
Buffs
Buffs
*Forward smash is slightly stonger.
*Forward smash is slightly stronger. (If anything, it's much stronger)
*Whirling Fortrest travels farther horizontally.
*Whirling Fortrest travels farther horizontally. (vertically actually)
Nerfs
Nerfs
*A general decrease in the speed of his attacks.
*A general decrease in the speed of his attacks. {{n}}
*Flying Slam can now be escaped.
*Flying Slam can now be escaped. {{n}}


===Ganondorf===
===Ganondorf===
Buffs
Buffs
*Up tilt is stronger.
*Up tilt is stronger. {{n}}
*Up and down smashes are stronger.
*Up and down smashes are stronger.
*Forward smash has increased damage and knockback when angled upward.
*Forward smash has increased damage and knockback when angled upward. {{n}}
*Back air is stronger.
*Back air is stronger.
*Dark Dive deals more damage and has increased power.
*Dark Dive deals more damage and has increased power. (damage is lower)


===Ike===
===Ike===

Revision as of 14:50, November 29, 2014

Physic changes

  • No more tripping. (possible fact)
  • Increased hitstun.
  • Forward smashing with the Home Run Bat takes much less start up time.

Character changes from SSBB to SSB4 (buffs and nerfs)

Mario

Buffs

  • Down smash has significantly increased power.
  • Up smash is slightly stronger.
  • Mario Tornado is his Down Special again and now gains hight if the B button is push quickly.
  • The hight gained from Super Jump Punch was increased.

Donkey Kong

Buffs

  • Giant Punch is stronger along with improved reach. (Stronger, yes, more reach, not really)
  • Fair meteor smash is slightly stronger. No (But it is faster)

Nerfs

  • Spinning Kong travels slightly less vertically. No

Link

Buffs

  • Spin Attack travels farther horizontally and vertically.
  • Air speed was increased.
  • Up smash is more powerful.

Samus

Buffs

  • Charge Shot is significantly stronger and now KOs under 100%.
  • Up air deals slightly more damage.
  • Smash attacks are stronger.

Yoshi

Buffs

  • Fair meteor smash is stronger.
  • Down air's damage potential was significantly increased from 35% to 55%. No
  • Smash attacks are stronger.
  • Egg roll is a more useful recovery move.

Kirby

Buffs

  • A general increase in the power and speed of his attacks. (His attack speed seems to be increased, I believe his power was increased too)
  • Air speed was significantly increased and is now the 3rd fastest. No (but it has been increased)
  • Down tilt can now semi-spike. No
  • Back air is now fast enough to perform twice in a single short hop. It's hitbox also lasts longer (as long as his feet are out). No (But it's knockback scaling is higher)
  • Jump hight and speed was significantly increased and is now the 3rd highest. No
  • The first 2 kicks of his forward air have low set knockback, meaning that it always link in to each other at any damage.
  • Kirby can Kirbycide with large and heavy characters again. No
  • Kirby can now wall jump. No
  • Walking and dashing speed were increased. Yes
  • Forward smash and down throw have less ending lag. No
  • Vertical endurance was slightly improved. No
  • Kirby's back air is now a Wall of Pain technique. (I think it's been a WOP, yes I'm aware it's a FOP move)
  • Traction was increased. No
  • Final Cutter travels slightly farther horizontally, and much more vertically and can now grab a ledge from behind. The meteor smash produced has knockback scaling (38.57). It also grants him invincibility frames when used. It now has a new hitbox just before descent, and it no longer makes Kirby helpless. (Knockback scaling, no, distance appears the same)

Fox

Buffs

  • A general increase in the power of his attacks.
  • Air speed was slightly increased.
  • Back air has less ending lag.
  • Fox sustains less knockback in SSB4. No

Pikachu

Buffs

  • Down aerial can now meteor smash. No
  • Up smash is much stronger and is the 5th strongest. No
  • Up air can now semi-spike and is stronger. No

Luigi

Buffs

  • Down air is much easier to meteor smash with. Yes
  • The hight gained from Super Jump Punch was increased. No (if any thing, it looks like it's been decreased)
  • Forward air is stronger. Yes
  • Down tilt is easier to meteor smash.

Nerfs

  • Nair was weakened significantly. Yes

Captain Falcon

Buffs

  • A general increase in the power and speed of his attacks.
  • Airborne Falcon Kick can now meteor smash.
  • Vertical endurance was slightly improved.
  • Traction was improved.

Ness

Buffs

  • A general increase in the speed and reach of his attacks.
  • Up throw is slightly stonger.

Jigglypuff

Buffs

  • Smashes are more powerful.
  • Rest is significantly stronger (it can now KO under 25%). (well, it's certainly stronger)
  • Up and back airs are stronger. (back air, yes, up air just has more reach)
  • Down air can now meteor smash at higher damages. No
  • Jigglypuff's Wall of Pain is notably more effective. No

Falco

Buffs

  • Forward smash and down tilt are stronger. No
  • Dashing speed was increased. No
  • Air speed was slightly increased.
  • Fire Bird travels slightly farther, improving it's recovery capabilities. Yes
  • Back air is slightly stronger and is now fast enough to preform twice in a single short hop. No

Marth

Buffs

  • A longer sword has resulted in a general increase in the reach of his attacks. No
  • Dashing speed and grab range were slightly increased. No
  • The sweetspot size of Marth's attacks (the tipper) was increased. (most notably down aerial) No
  • Aerials are stronger when tipped.

Bowser

Buffs

  • Forward smash is slightly stronger. (If anything, it's much stronger)
  • Whirling Fortrest travels farther horizontally. (vertically actually)

Nerfs

  • A general decrease in the speed of his attacks. No
  • Flying Slam can now be escaped. No

Ganondorf

Buffs

  • Up tilt is stronger. No
  • Up and down smashes are stronger.
  • Forward smash has increased damage and knockback when angled upward. No
  • Back air is stronger.
  • Dark Dive deals more damage and has increased power. (damage is lower)

Ike

Buffs

  • New up aerial has significantly improved vertical reach.
  • Down air meteor smash is slightly stronger.

Wolf

Nerfs

  • Air speed was reduced.

Character dashing speeds

Rank Character
1 Sonic
2 Captain Falcon
3 Fox
4-5 Sheik and Zero Suit Samus
6 Meta Knight
7-8 Charizard and Pikachu
9-10 Diddy Kong and Marth
11 Yoshi
12-15 Kirby, Toon Link, and Donkey Kong, and Pit
16 Mr. Game & Watch
17-21 Lucas, R.O.B., Bowser, Ivysaur, and Mario
22 Samus
23-24 Lucario and Falco
25-28 Olimar, Ness, Wolf, and Ice Climbers
29-30 Ike, and Squirtle
31-35 Wario, Peach, Snake, Luigi, and Link
36-37 King Dedede and Zelda
38 Ganondorf
39 Jigglypuff

Character air speeds

Rank Character Air speed
1 Yoshi 1.275
2 Jigglypuff 1.270
3 Kirby 1.267
4 Captain Falcon 1.254
5 Wario 1.38
6 Sonic 1.1092
7 Donkey Kong 1.082
8 Squirtle 1.081
9 Mr. Game and Watch 1.080
10 Lucas 1.05
11-13 Bowser 1.034
11-13 Zero Suit Samus 1.034
11-13 Marth 1.034
14-17 Zelda 0.987
14-17 Samus 0.987
14-17 Charizard 0.987
14-17 Lucario 0.987
18 Ness 0.9588
19-21 Mario 0.94
19-21 Toon Link 0.94
19-21 Snake 0.94
22 Ike 0.9212
23 Pikachu 0.9110
24 Fox 0.9
25 Falco 0.899
26 Pit 0.895
27 Link 0.894
28 Wolf 0.85
29 R.O.B. 0.83
30 Peach 0.864
31 Sheik 0.846
32 Diddy Kong 0.8272
33 Olimar 0.82
34 Ganondorf 0.8084
35 Ice Climbers 0.7708
36 Meta Knight 0.757
37 Ivysaur 0.752
38 Luigi 0.750
39 King Dedede 0.660
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