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Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome, editors and users, to the Smash Arena! Each week this forum hosts a tussle between two characters, items, stages or anything else from the Super Smash Bros. series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll but functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that round. No, you don't have to vote for the character with strength & power, or the stage considered more "fair", just vote if you are a total fanboy of the participant. So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you don't have to have an account to vote! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.

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Round 137: Fire Flower vs. Lip's Stick

		Winner!! undecided 0 to 0
Two flower-based items, one with spore shooting, the other with combustive chemicals. Which petal-powered pickup prevails?
Votes for Fire Flower After you're done using it, you can throw it for average knock back and fair damage. Also, it's ever so present in Mario, I just love it quite a large amount.Vincent Transvestite O_o 23:35, 4 May 2012 (EDT) I like Mario, so I like Fire Flower. Besides, MALLEO says this kickass quote! ShupaRoeh 00:38, 5 May 2012 (EDT) Longer and deals damage on the spot. Despise the fact you can DI out of it. LightningBlue: LBPeep 00:41, 5 May 2012 (EDT) Burn baby burn! Disco...Inferno!! 208.54.40.214 01:15, 5 May 2012 (EDT) Using this against the wall= Epic Trolling. King KirbyD 07:44, 5 May 2012 (EDT) Mario is always special 2 me!!!99.235.62.184 10:26, 5 May 2012 (EDT) Very close decision for me, but Fire Flower just wins in the heat of battle. AccoolX File:Accoolx.png 10:41, 5 May 2012 (EDT) Fire versus, what, something that puts a flower on your head? This one wins in the coolness department.174.30.216.74 17:16, 5 May 2012 (EDT) In Brawl, characters can move while using it now, meaning that it can be used to push a character beyond the blast line, resulting in a K.O. Smash Master 17:29, 5 May 2012 (EDT) ..... The Cutest 09:25, 6 May 2012 (EDT) Fire flower will never be PWNED by a simple flower. User talk:Smashtito 12:09, 6 May 2012 (EDT) Lipstick sucks anyway.194.17.116.198 05:26, 7 May 2012 (EDT) This shoots flames. The other makes the opponent grow a flower on their head. No contest. Takava (talk) 14:31, 7 May 2012 (EDT) I'm not letting that crappy flower win. Fire burn flowers. I have never once K.Oed someone with a flower thing but the fire flower has gotten me 1 so it wins. 92.42.57.34 03:23, 8 May 2012 (EDT) Fire Flower (Smash) = Fire Flower (Mario). Lip's Stick (Smash) = Anyone off Jersey Shore's stained trousers. FIRE FLOWER ALL THE WAY! 81.141.68.50 04:41, 8 May 2012 (EDT) Fire Flower isn't annoying, the only thing I wish would change is how much it's affected by gravity. Blue Ninjakoopa(Talk) 15:57, 10 May 2012 (EDT) I never play with items turned on, and fire flowers are cooler. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 20:54, 10 May 2012 (EDT) Although I like the Lip's Stick's punny name and its prolonged effect during opponent-battering, Fire Flower FTW - mainly due to TEH F1R3Z and its usage has more "oomph" to it. I like the Fire Flower's design a bit more (especially in SSB Brawl), and the flames that it spews/secretes are amazing against foes that are backed into a corner/against a wall. Also, whenever you or your teammate is Ness or Lucas during matches, the Fire Flower does wonders when PSI Magnet is used to absorb the flames. I do wish the Fire Flower caused better damage/knockback whenever it is thrown/discarded, though. Fenyx4 (talk) 11:14, 11 May 2012 (EDT) Love Mario games. DarkFox01 18:20, 11 May 2012 (EDT) --Havoc48 >:D!!! 12:07, 13 May 2012 (EDT) Half votes I think that the fire flower would be better because it can detonate any bombs or explosive crates and K.O any opponents Brawler543 (talk) 11:24, 8 May 2012 (EDT) The Fire Flower is epic! The Lip's Stick... just sucks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.247.37.38 (talk • contribs) 11:27, 13 May 2012 (EDT)			Votes for Lip's Stick Lip's stick creates flowers that damages others, and that's the thing that I like. Stranger 1260 23:32, 4 May 2012 (EDT) Fire Flower getting credited for its throw attack? I didn't think I'd hear that, I don't think of the discard attack as very good. Lip's Stick, however, has a very good throw attack, with good range, effect, and still plants the flower. And Fire Flower's general attack use is not something I'm a fan of. Plus, I loved Pokémon Puzzle Challenge, so Panel De Pon must be good :P Toast ltimatum 09:26, 5 May 2012 (EDT) This thing rocks. You can constantly damage your opponent and make them look stupid! 24.168.107.113 10:13, 5 May 2012 (EDT) 204.191.132.218 12:10, 5 May 2012 (EDT) REALLY close decision, but ultimately I choose Lip's Stick since it also makes a decent throwing item. 110.174.90.69 12:16, 5 May 2012 (EDT) The flower of death. --Fan275 16:11, 5 May 2012 (EDT) THE FLOWER OF FLOWERS-- Captain Falcon talk 09:03, 6 May 2012 (EDT) Inspite of Lip's Stick being a kinda disturbing name, it feels like it takes more skill to use one of these.71.55.128.250 14:57, 6 May 2012 (EDT)BK While Lip's Stick is an average item, Fire Flower is near useless, with its item attack being decidedly poor (low damage, poor range for a projectile, and a multi-hitting attack that's easy to escape), and its throw attack is among the worst of items (nearly no knockback, poor damage, and its flight is slow as well as short distanced). Omega Tyrant 06:03, 7 May 2012 (EDT) I find this more useful. 199.185.67.18 11:03, 7 May 2012 (EDT) I like the Fire Flower, just not so much in Brawl. Lip's Stick is fun to use. 67.173.145.76 15:32, 7 May 2012 (EDT) Fire Flower is good in the Mario Series, but in Brawl Fire Flower's ability is just too normal. Kirbysuperstar (talk) 07:14, 8 May 2012 (EDT) This thing is way more fun to use. Floor2000x (talk) 17:21, 8 May 2012 (EDT) The one I always use. 123JamesHeart 11:08, 12 May 2012 (EDT) Half votes Flower Brawls definitely help de-promote the cheapness of camping. Toadat9021doh (talk) 13:47, 5 May 2012 (EDT) Lip's stick is the much better weapon. I think the only reason Fire Flower is winning is because it is from the iconic Mario series, while Lip's Stick is from an uncommon game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.160.215.75 (talk • contribs) {{{2}}}
Comments Now that's the battle that would create lots of suspense! ShupaRoeh 21:22, 7 May 2012 (EDT) @Blue Ninjakoopa: Wellllllllll look who's back. Semicolon (talk) 18:10, 10 May 2012 (EDT) Oh NOT Semicolon! the user's dumb! ShupaRoeh 22:23, 10 May 2012 (EDT) ToastUltimatum expects imminent doom to ShupaRoeh Toast ltimatum 11:24, 11 May 2012 (EDT) Not Toast in this crap! ShupaRoeh 17:45, 11 May 2012 (EDT) I don't quite follow. But insult Semicolon at your own peril. Toast ltimatum 17:56, 11 May 2012 (EDT) Question to ShupaRoeh: just what in the heck do you think you're doing? You get one chance to explain this odd behavior. Semicolon (talk) 08:59, 12 May 2012 (EDT) I give up. ShupaRoeh 09:27, 12 May 2012 (EDT) Wrong answer. You don't go around moving stuff and then calling other users dumb (unless they've done something dumb. Then that's perfectly okay.) As I didn't do anything dumb, calling me dumb is a violation of SW:NPA. Since it's so marginal, I thought I'd give you a chance to explain it, as it seemed odd, unsolicited, and curiously psychotic in a harmless sort of way. Since you have no explanation, consider this a (confused) warning. Semicolon (talk) 18:56, 12 May 2012 (EDT) I really like the awesome alliteration present in this poll's/match's description. XD Fenyx4 (talk) 11:14, 11 May 2012 (EDT) Btw shuparoeh read rule 12 for a change. Do not make commets about the status of the fight. It is not necessary. LightningBlue: LBPeep 18:32, 11 May 2012 (EDT) I didn't see the rule. Add it or leave it. ShupaRoeh 23:51, 11 May 2012 (EDT) No new round this week, the file in which I keep Smash Arena data got messed up and I have to redo it. Toomai Glittershine The Spark 18:18, 12 May 2012 (EDT) Its ok, take your time to take a break from all this hark work this end of school year. ..... The Pylon 13:30, 13 May 2012 (EDT)

Round 136: Kyogre vs. Groudon

		Winner!! Kyogre 22 to 8.5
The sea and the land collide once more. Which way will the coastline sway?
Votes for Kyogre I remember when my Ruby got stolen in 5th grade. Bad times. Kyogre FTW. 24.168.107.113 09:23, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Probably the most satisfying KO possible in Smash Bros. would come courtesy of FLUDD/Water Gun, yet so many people diss it. Watching Kyogre take it to the extreme makes their ironic falls fun. I prefer Groudon as a Pokémon, but Kyogre edges it here. Toast ltimatum 09:25, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Even though I like Groudon better, Kyogre would be better at KOing people in Brawl. ..... The Cutest 10:25, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Kyogre is badass against Groudon. ShupaRoeh 10:42, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Hydro Pump > Blue Ninjakoopa(Talk) 10:50, 28 April 2012 (EDT) A Sheer Cold KO at 0%. Groudon can't do that. DarkFox01 10:55, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Can actually KO at lower percentages. 204.191.132.218 11:21, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Water, my favorite type. AccoolX File:Accoolx.png 11:35, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Kyogre, use sheer cold! 99.235.62.184 14:02, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Kyogre is better in Brawl and better in RSE, and its robot version is more useful than Groudon's in XD. No amount of me wanting to vote for the underdog can change this. 123JamesHeart 15:33, 28 April 2012 (EDT) OHKO potential vs low damage and knockback. No contest. King KirbyD 16:45, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Kyogre has always been the superior Pokemon to me. 110.174.90.69 23:04, 28 April 2012 (EDT) I really like water types more than ground types, also I like Kyogre's SHEER COLD!!!!!User talk:Smashtito 23:14, 29 April 2012 (EDT) In Gen 4, he was known as the King of Ubers, being the best pokemon in the game. In Brawl under normal situations, he's the only pokemon who can pretty much guarantee a KO without your involvement, and the only one who can KO the same opponent twice. The best pokemon in the RPGs, and the best pokemon in Brawl, while Groudon is by far the worst legendary in Brawl outside the gift givers and Manaphy. Omega Tyrant 02:44, 29 April 2012 (EDT) Although I like Groudon better for a pokemon because it can use lots of fire type moves, in Brawl Kyogre is much better because it can just push others out of the screen easily. Stranger 1260 05:48, 29 April 2012 (EDT) They're both legendary, but I'm goin' for Kyogre. Smash Master 17:17, 29 April 2012 (EDT) Water types rule. 67.173.145.76 12:00, 1 May 2012 (EDT) No real competition. Water > Fire.94.4.227.74 16:47, 1 May 2012 (EDT) Water > Ground; LOL (and I started the game series with Pokémon Sapphire Version, so yeah). While I lament that the move Hydro Pump has been switched over to a not-often-seen legendary Pokémon rather than a more common Blastoise-family member, Kyogre is much more effective than its volcanic counterpart, Groudon (and I'm glad both of them finally transitioned to the Smash Bros. series). Kyogre damages foes on contact (which is Groudon's sole function in Brawl) and bothers to actually move around the stage, in addition to blasting opponents off the stage with water. Groudon, however, just...sits there using "Overheat", with his true effectiveness mainly being restricted to small stages. And in the actual Pokémon handheld game series, Kyogre freaking decimates much of the opposition compared to Groudon. In any case, both of these Pokémon are awesome (with an excellent ominous battle theme in the Pokémon games and the Pokémon anime, to boot), but Kyogre gains a major edge. 72.3.33.15 14:10, 2 May 2012 (EDT) Kyogre easely blows Groudon out of the water. Captain Falcon talk 14:31, 2 May 2012 (EDT) Better Pokemon. Mr. Anontalk 22:47, 3 May 2012 (EDT) Half votes Kyogre easily KOs people by pushing them off the stage, while Groudon only turns around on the spot wher it was summoned. Plus, Kyogre follows you everywhere, while Groudon is easy to dodge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.218.146 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 29 April (EDT) Kyogre moves around, blowing every opponent away with water. Groudon just chills around on one spot.-Kaizer24.185.135.102 01:48, 29 April 2012 (EDT)			Votes for Groudon Kyogre is much more powerful than Groudon. Therefore, Groudon is more fair. Meta Ike 20:16, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Fire. --Fan275 13:39, 29 April 2012 (EDT) This guy looks cooler. This is a pity vote really.92.42.57.34 04:48, 30 April 2012 (EDT) More sympathy votes. 199.185.67.18 11:04, 30 April 2012 (EDT) He lives in a volcano. Nuff' said.174.30.220.71 17:19, 30 April 2012 (EDT) I kinda don't see why everyone likes water more than fire. Sorry if this is a pokemon reference, but fire decks are all the rage in the tcg nowdays.71.55.130.169 17:34, 1 May 2012 (EDT)BK I JUST FUCKING LOVE BLUEBERRIES--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 17:42, 2 May 2012 (EDT) I totally agree with the half vote!Shanicpower (talk) 16:51, 3 May 2012 (EDT) Half votes Groudon will lose, but the Groudon glitch always make me laugh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.17.116.198 (talk • contribs) 06:07, 3 May 2012‎
Comments Perhaps maybe we could also put Rayquaza in this match too. :P ..... The Cutest 13:56, 29 April 2012 (EDT) Agreed; a three-way match would have been much better, in my opinion. It seems wrong to exclude Rayquaza from the match, as a relationship has been established among Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza (most evident in the legends/stories of Pokémon Emerald Version). Land·Sea·Sky, anyone? Personally, I would have liked to see how Rayquaza fares against Kyogre, as I'm surprised that Kyogre is dominating with votes in this poll against Groudon. 72.3.33.15 14:10, 2 May 2012 (EDT) Hmm, a few people seem to think Kyogre uses Sheer Cold for its attack, and some think Groudon is a fire-type. I sense some of you may have thought that Kyogre uses Sheer Cold because of its trophy description, but it uses Hydro Pump. Groudon, I can understand, but it is in fact a pure ground type. Toast ltimatum 18:21, 1 May 2012 (EDT) Some people thinks that Kyogre's Sheer Cold is powerful, but don't forget that Groudon can use Fissure. Stranger 1260 07:37, 2 May 2012 (EDT) Although Sheer Cold is advantageous in that no Pokémon has a natural type immunity to it, unlike Fissure (which Flying-type Pokémon and Pokémon with the Levitate ability easily avoid). 72.3.33.15 14:10, 2 May 2012 (EDT) @71.55.130.169, Groudon is not a fire type, it's ground. The Solar Dragon 14:36, 2 May 2012 (EDT) @Stranger: Rule 12. Also, @72.3.33.15, your vote is way too long. DarkFox01 16:50, 2 May 2012 (EDT) Stranger1260 just put that a user went wrong. ShupaRoeh 18:54, 2 May 2012 (EDT) Nothing at all forbids him from having a long vote, I credit him for that. BTW @That IP, you ought to get an account, so you're more recognisable, seeing as you put so much effort in. Toast ltimatum 17:50, 2 May 2012 (EDT) Hehe, I think of france's flag when I see the comment boxes.Shanicpower (talk) 14:12, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

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