Forum:Kirby is broken

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Kirby is broken. I mean, why isn't he top tier? Here's what he can do. He can spam his Stone over and over again by jumping into the air and crashing it down. It's hard to dodge and does tons of damage and knockback. Furthermore, he has final cutter, as an awsome spike, projectile, and it has the ability to trap opponents if spammed. His hammer does massive knockback, and it's really fast in the air. Plus, he has Kirbycide, which can give him an automatic win if he has more stock than the opponent. His Dair is an amazing meteor smash, and his uair and Usmash are excellent for StarKoing opponents. He can create a wall of pain using his fair and bair. His side smash is an awsome KO move. His Uthrow can be used for Kirbycide, and his Down throw can chaingrab. Why did he just go down on the tier list? 98.111.95.78 18:56, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

1. Stone-It is very easy to dodge, as it stalls first, giving reaction time, and is easily broken by grabs, and has ending frames upon leaving rock form.
2. Final Cutter-If spammed, it is easily predictable, and can be easily jumped over, and I don't see how it can "trap" opponents. The spike is also very unreliable, as it can be predicted if Kirby is falling, although it is good for stopping edgeguards. The first hit can be DI'd, leading to an unreliable setup for the second part.
3. I will admit his Dair is good, but it is slightly predictable, although it is still one of his most reliable moves.
4. His Uair is not reliable at all for Star KO's, unless the opponent's damage is extremely high, but his Usmash is reliable, admittedly, but only in certain areas (kills Jigglypuff at 80% on FD iirc, so >100% for most opponents).
5. His WoP is not reliable at all in Brawl, due to a lack of enough hitstun to keep it consistent.
6. His side smash I'm honestly not sure about, but I assume it is similar to his Usmash, so yea.
7. His Uthrow can't be used for Kirbycide, at all. Even if you manage to go off the edge, it still hits an invisible floor.
8. Dthrow-No, it can't.
9. Kirbyciding-This is a kind of hit-or-miss area. It can be hard to set up, and can be very predictable, but if it can be pulled off, yes, it is very useful.
10. In general, other characters have been proven to be getting better (take Falco, for example), and have been decided to be better than Kirby. The tier list changes, so do character's abilities. People are learning how to counter Kirby, etc.Smoreking^(T) _(c) 20:03, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

1. One attack may be easier to dodge, but if spammed it is hard.
2. Final cutter may be predictable, but it is not easier to dodge. If you try to jump over it it will bring you down again. If you use it to recover it will spike safely when you hit the edge.
3. OK
4. OK, but if uair is used near the top blast line...
5. Hitstun is not necessary due to its knockback
6. It isn't similar to his Usmash
7. Yes it can, on some stages
8. Yes, on some opponents
9. All you need to do is suck someone up near the edge and walk off
10. But people are also learning how to counter falco. 98.111.95.78 22:08, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

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One attack may be easier to dodge, but if spammed it is hard.

You've got it mixed up. One attack used randomly in a stream of attacks would be hard to predict and dodge. On the other hand, if it is spammed then it is predictable, making it easy to dodge. User:Tienjt0/Sig 00:38, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

OK, Kirby might be good, and you might be right about some of his things, but that doesn't make him broken. Trust me, if he was broken, we'd know by now. Broken means so good as to exclude the possibility of any other strategy/choice. Akuma is broken in SFII, Black Lotus is broken in Magic. Meta Knight might be broken, but Kirby sure as hell isn't. Oh, and the stone thing is just plain dumb. You can't spam the stone. It is easy to dodge, and hard to keep getting above the opponent repeatedly to spam it. And yes, the computer is too dumb to dodge it; Mew2King isn't. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 01:31, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Stone

Stone is a great move because it can easily surprise your opponent. Say you're playing agains Bowser. Bowser uses his Up Smash to knock you into the air. As you fall down, he charges a second one to knock you higher. But wait! Instead of just falling, you use stone. Now, your opponent, who has already started his smash attack, his helpless as you knock him flying. This doesn't just apply to Bowser, but pretty much every opponent that uses Juggling. When spammed, it is predictable, but your opponent cannot dodge forever, especially on stages without platforms, such as Final Destination. Eventually, their shield will break, they'll be forced to an edge, or simply not dodge in time. Perhaps I shouldn't have said broken, but at least S tier would be worthy. 98.111.95.78 02:54, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Professional replays or it didn't happen. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 03:11, April 6, 2010 (UTC)