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The '''Ice Climbers''', also known as '''Ice Climber''' ({{ja|アイス クライマー}}, ''Aisu Kuraimā'') in the Japanese versions, the ice-climbing duo from ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]'', make a return in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'' with a significant texture boost to their character models. Although Popo and Nana fight as a duo, only one is directly controlled by the player. The other is computer-controlled, in a manner mimicking the player.  In ''Melee'', the player had the option to change the color of the costume and play as Nana, and the option still exists in ''Brawl'', however the Climbers' positions on the character select screen portrait will not change as in ''Melee'', however, the character's stock icon will.
The '''Ice Climbers''' (also known as '''Ice Climber''' ({{ja|アイス クライマー}}, ''Aisu Kuraimā'') in Japan) return in ''Brawl'' with a new texture redo. Although Popo and Nana fight as a duo, only one is directly controlled by the player- the other is computer-controlled, in a manner mimicking the player.  An alternate costume change allows the player-controlled character to be Nana, rather than the usual Popo.


There was a rumor that characters such [[Young Link]], [[Mr. Game & Watch]] and the Ice Climbers were to be excluded from the roster of ''Brawl'' due to lack of popularity. However, this rumor has been proven wrong ever since the appearance of Popo and Nana on the Dojo website.
==Attributes==
The Ice Climbers are an interesting character, with two characters attacking at the same time rather than one. They can carry two items at once, and can throw two opponents at once, and if both Ice Climbers have a similar colored outfit, human opponents can be confused. However, if the computer-controlled character dies, the Ice Climbers' effictiveness is reduced until the human player dies again, when Popo and Nana will both respawn together. Interestingly, the computer player does not take damage when attacked. When both characters are together, their attacks deal large damage with good knockback. However, if they are desynchronized, the computer's attack will come slightly after the player's attack, creating many combos. The Ice Climbers are also difficult to grab, because while one player is grabbed the other can attack, interrupting the grab. They also have very useful specials: [[Ice Shot]] is a ground hugging projectile, and both Ice Climbers shoot one. [[Belay]] gives enormous recovery if both Ice Climbers are together (and also functions as a Tether if the computer grabs first); if they aren't, [[Squall Hammer]] works as an alternate recovery move. [[Blizzard]] can also freeze foes at high percentages, allowing a finishing move to be used. The Ice Climbers are additionally good edgeguarders, and have an excellent chain-grab. However, if the computer is separated from the human Ice Climber, they will not respond to attacks and will only try to get back to the human player. Their light weight makes many attacks able to separate the pair. They don't lose traction on slippery floors like ice, and Belay and Squall Hammer resynch the Ice Climbers.




==Pros and Cons==
===Changes from ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee|Melee]]'' to ''Brawl''===
===Pros:===
*Effectively two characters acting simultaneously. This makes them slightly stronger than your average character while together. They can also be desynched to perform two actions slightly out of synch for combos.
*If desynched, the Ice Climbers can have a good approach.
*Can alternate grab, although banned in some tournaments
*Very strong ground game.
*Attacks are strong if both Ice Climbers attack.
*Hard to throw, as other Ice Climber can attack while one is grabbed.
*Belay gives great distance if the Ice Climbers are together.
*Have a ground-hugging projectile.
*Forward Aerial is a spike if both ICs are together.
*Ice Climbers do not share a damage percentage, which can lead to the player-controlled leader not taking damage sometimes when they are attacked.
*Can freeze enemies, which can be potentially followed up by a finisher.
*Squall Hammer can be used as an alternative recovery move to Belay, since it greatly pushes the Ice Climber(s) forward.
*Belay can be a [[Tether Recovery]] if the CPU Climber grabs a ledge first, making it the only [[Up Special Move]] move to be both a Tether Recovery and a Normal Recovery.
*Traction remains constant even on slippery floors like ice.
*Even if the partner dies, the lead Ice Climber can still fight.
*If both Ice Climbers are wearing the same color costume it may confuse the opponent.
*Can carry two items at once.
*Can throw two opponents at once.
*One Ice Climber can attack an opponent while the other one grabs the opponent.
*Are good [[edgeguard]]ers.
*One can attack using special moves while the other is carrying a heavy item such as a party ball or crate.
*When two opponents are grabbed together at the same time, they can both be pummeled by both Ice Climbers.
*[[Belay]] and [[Squall Hammer]] can be used to re-synch the Ice Climbers.
*Have an excellent chaingrab, racking up to more than 100%.
*[[Belay]] is a strong finisher that can kill at around 100%.
 
===Cons:===
*Slow falling speed makes them vulnerable to air combos and [[juggle|juggling]].
*Each individual Ice Climber is weaker than your average character, making them weak while separated.
*Nearly useless recovery when separated.
*Belay used with one Ice Climber results in little vertical height and almost no horizontal distance.
*If separated from the leading Ice Climber, the partner becomes unresponsive.
*Many hits can separate them.
*Projectile is very weak and weakens over distance.
*Fairly Light.
*Squall Hammer puts the Ice Climbers into a [[Helpless]] state.
*Slow dash speed (sixth slowest along with Olimar, Ness, and Wolf), and has the third slowest air speed along with [[Ivysaur (SSBB)|Ivysaur]].
*Lead IC loses many of advantages when partner dies, such as ability to combo and KO as effectively.
 
==Changes from ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee|Melee]]'' to ''Brawl''==
*Both Ice Climbers can grab on to a ledge at the same time.
*Both Ice Climbers can grab on to a ledge at the same time.
*More attack power. Blizzard is especially buffed if the Ice Climbers are next to the opponent.
*More attack power. Blizzard is especially buffed if the Ice Climbers are next to the opponent.
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*Belay can be a Tether Recovery if the partner grabs a ledge first, then the leader reaches up to the ledge.
*Belay can be a Tether Recovery if the partner grabs a ledge first, then the leader reaches up to the ledge.
*Lone Ice Climber's Belay gives some slight distance.
*Lone Ice Climber's Belay gives some slight distance.
*Partner can Squall Hammer and Belay alone.
*Partner can Squall Hammer alone.
*The Ice Climbers can become separated easier when attacked, but are a bit better by themselves.
*The Ice Climbers can become separated easier when attacked, but are a bit better by themselves.
*Squall Hammer now sends off flakes of ice. However, this only happens when both Ice Climbers are present, and is only for show.
*Squall Hammer now sends off flakes of ice. However, this only happens when both Ice Climbers are present, and is only for show.
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*Partner AI is significantly advanced so it does not die easier.
*Partner AI is significantly advanced so it does not die easier.


==Moveset==
===Moveset===
===Ground Attacks===
====Ground Attacks====
'''Normal'''
=====Normal=====
*Neutral Attack - Swing hammers in front of themselves.
*Neutral attack - Swing hammers in front of themselves.
*Dash Attack - Give a short jump and swing hammers in front of themselves. 10% with partner. 6% without partner.
*Dash attack - Give a short jump and swing hammers in front of themselves.
*Strong Side - Similar to neutral. 16% with partner
*Strong Side - Similar to neutral.
*Strong Up - Spin hammers over head, dealing multiple hits. 17% with partner if all hits connect.
*Strong Up - Spin hammers over head, dealing multiple hits.
*Strong Down - Crouch and sweep hammers on ground in front of themselves.16% with partner.
*Strong Down - Crouch and sweep hammers on ground in front of themselves.
'''Smash'''
=====Smash=====
*Side Smash - Lift hammers over head, then smash straight down. 13% without partner.
*Side Smash - Lift hammers over head, then smash straight down.
*Up Smash - swing hammers upwards.
*Up Smash - Swing hammers upwards in an arc.
*Down Smash - sweep hammers on the ground all the way around themselves.
*Down Smash - Sweep hammers on the ground all the way around themselves.
'''Other'''
=====Other=====
*Ledge Attack - Climbs up ledge while swinging hammers over their heads. 8% each hit.
*Ledge Attack -  
*100% Ledge Attack -  
*100% Ledge Attack -  
*Floor Attack -
*Floor Attack -  


===Aerial Attacks===
====Aerial Attacks====
*Neutral Aerial - swing in a circle with hammers outstretched. 12% with partner.
*Neutral Aerial - Swing in a circle with hammers outstretched.
*Forward Aerial - lift hammers over head then swing forward, like side smash. If the partner hits, the attack will be a meteor smash.
*Forward Aerial - Lift hammers over head then swing forward, similar to the side smash. If both partners hit, the attack will be a meteor smash.
*Back Aerial - swing hammers behind themselves.
*Back Aerial - Swing hammers behind themselves.
*Up Aerial - shove hammers above head.
*Up Aerial - Shove hammers above head.
*Down Aerial - A [[Stall-Then-Fall]]. Accelerate fall with hammers below themselves. Stall almost unnoticeable. 13% with partner.
*Down Aerial - A [[Stall-Then-Fall]]. The stall is minimal, and they fall quickly with hammers outstretched downward.


===Grabs & Throws===
===Grabs & Throws===
*Pummel - Headbutt. Partner Climber can use other moves like Blizzard at the same time, or a jump into forward aerial as a great finisher if used right on an edge.
*Pummel - Headbutt. Partner Climber can use other moves like Blizzard at the same time, or a jump into forward aerial as a great finisher if used right on an edge.
*Forward Throw - Hit with hammer .
*Forward Throw - Hit with hammer.
*Back Throw - Spin around and hit with hammer. 6%
*Back Throw - Spin around and hit with hammer.
*Up Throw - Throw upwards then smash with hammer.6%
*Up Throw - Throw upwards then smash with hammer.
*Down Throw - Spike on ground. 6%
*Down Throw - Spike on ground.


== Special Moves ==
=== Special Moves ===
{{specialmoves|Ice Shot|Squall Hammer|Belay|Blizzard|Iceberg|Ice Climber}}
{{specialmoves|Ice Shot|Squall Hammer|Belay|Blizzard|Iceberg|Ice Climber}}
==Event Matches==
'''[[Event 11: Yoshi's Rainbow]]''' - As the Ice Climbers, [[KO]] six [[Yoshi]]s in the order red, pink, yellow, green, pale blue, blue.
'''[[Event 34: All-Star Battle Melee]]''' - The Ice Climbers are one of the eight opponents you must fight from ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]'' that return for Brawl.
'''[[Co-Op Event 10: The R.O.B.'s of Tomorrow]]''' - Teamed with [[Lucario]], KO [[R.O.B.]]s of increasing size.


==Role In the [[Subspace Emissary]]==
==Role In the [[Subspace Emissary]]==
The Ice Climbers were first seen climbing up the mountain together, possibly in pursuit of the [[Halberd]]. When [[Meta Knight (SSBB)|Meta Knight]] passed them going up the mountain, the Ice Climbers took it as a challenge and jumped up the mountain with Meta Knight. Once they reached the top, the Ice Climbers celebrated with their "victory" for getting up the mountain first, until they and Meta Knight found [[Lucario (SSBB)|Lucario]], who was looking for a fight with Meta Knight, so the Ice Climbers watch from the side nervously. After the fight, the [[Halberd]] crashes the [[Great Fox]] into the mountain.  Although Meta Knight and Lucario managed to board the Halberd, the Ice Climbers (ironically) are thrown back to the ground towards [[Marth (SSBB)|Marth]], [[Lucas (SSBB)|Lucas]], [[Pokémon Trainer (SSBB)|Pokémon Trainer]], and [[Ike (SSBB)|Ike]]. After facing some more [[Subspace Army]] troopers, the Ice Climbers teamed up with the other heroes as they journeyed into [[Subspace]] and helped them battle [[Tabuu]].
The Ice Climbers were first seen climbing up the mountain together, possibly in pursuit of the [[Halberd]]. When [[Meta Knight (SSBB)|Meta Knight]] passed them going up the mountain, the Ice Climbers took it as a challenge and jumped up the mountain with Meta Knight. Once they reached the top, the Ice Climbers celebrated with their "victory" for getting up the mountain first, until they and Meta Knight found [[Lucario (SSBB)|Lucario]], who was looking for a fight with Meta Knight, so the Ice Climbers watch from the side nervously. After the fight, the [[Halberd]] crashes the [[Great Fox]] into the mountain.  Although Meta Knight and Lucario managed to board the Halberd, the Ice Climbers (ironically) are thrown back to the ground towards [[Marth (SSBB)|Marth]], [[Lucas (SSBB)|Lucas]], [[Pokémon Trainer (SSBB)|Pokémon Trainer]], and [[Ike (SSBB)|Ike]]. After facing some more [[Subspace Army]] troopers, the Ice Climbers teamed up with the other heroes as they journeyed into [[Subspace]] and helped them battle [[Tabuu]].


===[[Taunt|Taunts]]===
===Exclusive stickers===
 
These stickers can only be used by the Ice Climbers or a select few including them.
'''Up:''' Set down hammers and jump up and down. They do the same when they reach the mountain top
*Balloon Fight Enemy: [Specials: Indirect] attack +4
in SSE.
*Donbe: [Slash] resistance +26
 
*Duck: Launch resistance +20
'''Side:''' Point their hammers and say "Yup!", as wind blows (same as in ''[[Melee]]''). 
*F-type: [Throwing] attack +22
*Fat Hockey Player: [Specials: Indirect] attack +12
*Nana: [Specials: Direct] attack +29
*Wild Gunman: [Specials: Indirect] attack +5
*Yakuman Player: [Electric] resistance +28


'''Down:''' Dance in a circle.


==Trivia==
==Trivia==
 
*Despite no indication in their character selection portrait unlike in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee|Melee]], the Ice Climbers' White, Black/Gray, and Red/Light Blue costumes have Nana as the lead Ice Climber. (In Melee you could tell when Nana is the lead Ice Climber because Nana has a different hairstyle.)
*Despite no indication in their character selection portrait unlike in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee|Melee]], the Ice Climbers' White, Black/Gray, and Red/Light Blue costumes have Nana as the lead Ice Climber. (In Melee you could tell when Nana is the lead Ice Climber because Nana is the Ice Climber who has her mouth open while Popo is just smiling)
*When the lead Ice Climber of a CPU is [[Star KO|Star KO'd]] while the partner remains on ground stage, the partner will taunt before disappearing.
*When the lead Ice Climber of a CPU is [[Star KO|Star KO'd]] while the partner remains on ground stage, the partner will taunt before disappearing.
*Along with [[Diddy Kong (SSBB)|Diddy Kong]], [[Pokemon Trainer (SSBB)|Pokémon Trainer]], and [[Jigglypuff (SSBB)| Jigglypuff]], the Ice Climbers are one of the only characters to have a unique "Defeated/No Contest" pose different from the traditional hand clapping, with them crying while rubbing their eyes.
*Along with [[Diddy Kong (SSBB)|Diddy Kong]], [[Pokemon Trainer (SSBB)|Pokémon Trainer]], and [[Jigglypuff (SSBB)| Jigglypuff]], the Ice Climbers are one of the only characters to have a unique "Defeated/No Contest" pose different from the traditional hand clapping, with them crying while rubbing their eyes.
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*When the Ice Climbers perform a forward smash in Brawl, it looks similar to how they attack in their own game.
*When the Ice Climbers perform a forward smash in Brawl, it looks similar to how they attack in their own game.
*In Stamina mode, it is possible for the CPU climber to die before the main climber. If this does happen, the partner will lay on the ground motionless, but not blink red.
*In Stamina mode, it is possible for the CPU climber to die before the main climber. If this does happen, the partner will lay on the ground motionless, but not blink red.
*If the lead ice climber dies by falling in Stamina mode, but the follower survives, the follower will fight on its own.
*The lead Ice Climber is always slightly weaker than the follower.
*The lead Ice Climber is always slightly weaker than the follower.
*There is a glitch involving using Link's, Toon Link's, or Ike's [[Final Smash]]. One must get rid of the lead Ice Climber first and just before the other disappear, initiate the Final Smash.  If timing is correct, Link, Toon Link, or Ike would do their Final Smash without anyone to hit. Video can be seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZBtchSyaUc here] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYdA7yFDmko&feature=related here]
*There is a glitch involving using Link's, Toon Link's, or Ike's [[Final Smash]]. One must get rid of the lead Ice Climber first and just before the other disappear, initiate the Final Smash.  If timing is correct, Link, Toon Link, or Ike would do their Final Smash without anyone to hit. Video can be seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZBtchSyaUc here] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYdA7yFDmko&feature=related here]

Revision as of 20:21, August 22, 2008

This article is about the Ice Climbers' appearance in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. For other uses, see Ice Climbers.
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The Ice Climbers (also known as Ice Climber (アイス クライマー, Aisu Kuraimā) in Japan) return in Brawl with a new texture redo. Although Popo and Nana fight as a duo, only one is directly controlled by the player- the other is computer-controlled, in a manner mimicking the player. An alternate costume change allows the player-controlled character to be Nana, rather than the usual Popo.

Attributes

The Ice Climbers are an interesting character, with two characters attacking at the same time rather than one. They can carry two items at once, and can throw two opponents at once, and if both Ice Climbers have a similar colored outfit, human opponents can be confused. However, if the computer-controlled character dies, the Ice Climbers' effictiveness is reduced until the human player dies again, when Popo and Nana will both respawn together. Interestingly, the computer player does not take damage when attacked. When both characters are together, their attacks deal large damage with good knockback. However, if they are desynchronized, the computer's attack will come slightly after the player's attack, creating many combos. The Ice Climbers are also difficult to grab, because while one player is grabbed the other can attack, interrupting the grab. They also have very useful specials: Ice Shot is a ground hugging projectile, and both Ice Climbers shoot one. Belay gives enormous recovery if both Ice Climbers are together (and also functions as a Tether if the computer grabs first); if they aren't, Squall Hammer works as an alternate recovery move. Blizzard can also freeze foes at high percentages, allowing a finishing move to be used. The Ice Climbers are additionally good edgeguarders, and have an excellent chain-grab. However, if the computer is separated from the human Ice Climber, they will not respond to attacks and will only try to get back to the human player. Their light weight makes many attacks able to separate the pair. They don't lose traction on slippery floors like ice, and Belay and Squall Hammer resynch the Ice Climbers.


Changes from Melee to Brawl

  • Both Ice Climbers can grab on to a ledge at the same time.
  • More attack power. Blizzard is especially buffed if the Ice Climbers are next to the opponent.
  • Can have the same color costume of the blue costume. The white one is almost the same, but the gloves are different colors.
  • If the partner hits another character while executing Belay, the move is still completed.
  • Belay can be a Tether Recovery if the partner grabs a ledge first, then the leader reaches up to the ledge.
  • Lone Ice Climber's Belay gives some slight distance.
  • Partner can Squall Hammer alone.
  • The Ice Climbers can become separated easier when attacked, but are a bit better by themselves.
  • Squall Hammer now sends off flakes of ice. However, this only happens when both Ice Climbers are present, and is only for show.
  • Their Orange costume was removed.
  • Partner AI is significantly advanced so it does not die easier.

Moveset

Ground Attacks

Normal
  • Neutral attack - Swing hammers in front of themselves.
  • Dash attack - Give a short jump and swing hammers in front of themselves.
  • Strong Side - Similar to neutral.
  • Strong Up - Spin hammers over head, dealing multiple hits.
  • Strong Down - Crouch and sweep hammers on ground in front of themselves.
Smash
  • Side Smash - Lift hammers over head, then smash straight down.
  • Up Smash - Swing hammers upwards in an arc.
  • Down Smash - Sweep hammers on the ground all the way around themselves.
Other
  • Ledge Attack -
  • 100% Ledge Attack -
  • Floor Attack -

Aerial Attacks

  • Neutral Aerial - Swing in a circle with hammers outstretched.
  • Forward Aerial - Lift hammers over head then swing forward, similar to the side smash. If both partners hit, the attack will be a meteor smash.
  • Back Aerial - Swing hammers behind themselves.
  • Up Aerial - Shove hammers above head.
  • Down Aerial - A Stall-Then-Fall. The stall is minimal, and they fall quickly with hammers outstretched downward.

Grabs & Throws

  • Pummel - Headbutt. Partner Climber can use other moves like Blizzard at the same time, or a jump into forward aerial as a great finisher if used right on an edge.
  • Forward Throw - Hit with hammer.
  • Back Throw - Spin around and hit with hammer.
  • Up Throw - Throw upwards then smash with hammer.
  • Down Throw - Spike on ground.

Special Moves

Template:Specialmoves

Role In the Subspace Emissary

The Ice Climbers were first seen climbing up the mountain together, possibly in pursuit of the Halberd. When Meta Knight passed them going up the mountain, the Ice Climbers took it as a challenge and jumped up the mountain with Meta Knight. Once they reached the top, the Ice Climbers celebrated with their "victory" for getting up the mountain first, until they and Meta Knight found Lucario, who was looking for a fight with Meta Knight, so the Ice Climbers watch from the side nervously. After the fight, the Halberd crashes the Great Fox into the mountain. Although Meta Knight and Lucario managed to board the Halberd, the Ice Climbers (ironically) are thrown back to the ground towards Marth, Lucas, Pokémon Trainer, and Ike. After facing some more Subspace Army troopers, the Ice Climbers teamed up with the other heroes as they journeyed into Subspace and helped them battle Tabuu.

Exclusive stickers

These stickers can only be used by the Ice Climbers or a select few including them.

  • Balloon Fight Enemy: [Specials: Indirect] attack +4
  • Donbe: [Slash] resistance +26
  • Duck: Launch resistance +20
  • F-type: [Throwing] attack +22
  • Fat Hockey Player: [Specials: Indirect] attack +12
  • Nana: [Specials: Direct] attack +29
  • Wild Gunman: [Specials: Indirect] attack +5
  • Yakuman Player: [Electric] resistance +28


Trivia

  • Despite no indication in their character selection portrait unlike in Melee, the Ice Climbers' White, Black/Gray, and Red/Light Blue costumes have Nana as the lead Ice Climber. (In Melee you could tell when Nana is the lead Ice Climber because Nana has a different hairstyle.)
  • When the lead Ice Climber of a CPU is Star KO'd while the partner remains on ground stage, the partner will taunt before disappearing.
  • Along with Diddy Kong, Pokémon Trainer, and Jigglypuff, the Ice Climbers are one of the only characters to have a unique "Defeated/No Contest" pose different from the traditional hand clapping, with them crying while rubbing their eyes.
  • Snake's quote, "Seems to me they'd get in each other's way fighting to see who gets to the top first." is a reference to the original NES Ice Climber game, where in two player mode, the objective is to reach the top of the stage first before the other player does.
  • When the Ice Climbers perform a forward smash in Brawl, it looks similar to how they attack in their own game.
  • In Stamina mode, it is possible for the CPU climber to die before the main climber. If this does happen, the partner will lay on the ground motionless, but not blink red.
  • The lead Ice Climber is always slightly weaker than the follower.
  • There is a glitch involving using Link's, Toon Link's, or Ike's Final Smash. One must get rid of the lead Ice Climber first and just before the other disappear, initiate the Final Smash. If timing is correct, Link, Toon Link, or Ike would do their Final Smash without anyone to hit. Video can be seen here and here
  • Both Ice Climbers must win a microgame in the Wario Ware Inc. stage to be rewarded.

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