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Grey Bowser

Could this possibly be a reference to Dry Bowser? PedanticNerd (talk) 10:29, April 9, 2020 (EDT)

Blue Bowser

Pretty sure it's actually based on his Mario Tennis 64 alt, since it looks exactly like it. (Pic >>>) [1] Yahtzeh (talk) 21:16, January 11, 2020 (EST)

"Violent" Ken

Ken's eighth colour is most likely a reference to his EX (LK+HP) colour from Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact (or normal Ken's two-button colour from Pocket Fighter), rather than Violent Ken's kick colour from SVC Chaos. Violent Ken's hair is white, but colour 8 in Ultimate keeps his normal hair colour, like in 2nd Impact and Pocket Fighter. --KingDDD99 (talk) 17:59, December 15, 2019 (EST)

Incineroar's blue costume, could it resemble Hydreigon?

https://serebii.net/pokedex-sm/635.shtml

It has the blue & black, as well a s bit of purple in the hands. They're also both Dark types, so what do you think? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 14:26, October 31, 2019 (EDT)

bump ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 14:19, November 2, 2019 (EDT)

I dont know pokemon, so I cant say Lucina-is-better-than-marth (talk) 12:11, November 3, 2019 (EST)

bump ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 10:21, November 5, 2019 (EST)

I don't know, to me it seems somewhat of a stretch, especially since there's no purple on the alt, which is prominent on Hydreigon. CookiesCreme 10:24, November 5, 2019 (EST)

The purple is on the palm. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 14:03, November 5, 2019 (EST)

I feel like the purple would be more prominent if it was supposed to be based on Hydreigon. Aidan, the Rurouni 14:19, November 5, 2019 (EST)

What about Deino? It also has purple spots, but they're very small and few. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 14:21, December 30, 2019 (EST)

Terry's alts

Terry's brown alt is most definitely based on his appearance in Garou: Mark of the Wolves. Can someone who has the ability to edit this page add that in? I would do it, but I don't have permission to edit it since it's protected to prevent vandalism. Arqade (Talk) 20:13, November 6, 2019 (EST) Arqade (Talk) 20:13, November 6, 2019 (EST)

I was actually hopping in here to mention that exact thing. Terry’s outfit is still red in TKoF XII and XIII. Garou: Mark of the Wolves features a brown coat and slightly duller pants, like that one. The cap is blank because Terry doesn’t wear a hat in that game. ScizorSteelix 09:40, November 9, 2019 (EST)

I changed it. If someone disagrees, they can talk about it here. ScizorSteelix 19:22, November 9, 2019 (EST)

Me personally, I think it's more meant to represent the desaturated look of Terry's appearance in KOF XII and XIII. The color's not reaaaally brown, more of a duller red? It's more noticeable in-game. The duller skin-tone and pants also match this sprite more closely than the brighter equivalents in the Garou design, in my opinion. I do think it's worth noting, so would you mind compromising on listing both? ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 19:37, November 9, 2019 (EST)

Another distinguishing factor I just noticed: his belt buckle in the Smash alt is gold where it's silver in the default. Terry has a gold belt buckle in KOF XII and XIII, but a silver one in his Garou design. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 19:52, November 9, 2019 (EST)

What is brown but a dull red? But I agree it certainly looks more red in-game, though not quite to the level of XII and XIII. It’s unclear which one it’s ’’really’’ pulling from, so this is probably the best solution. ScizorSteelix 22:15, November 9, 2019 (EST)

Terry's 3rd alt is neither based on his appearance in KoF XII/XIII nor Garou: Mark of the Wolves. It's his his heavy punch alternate palette from KoF 2002. Gold belt buckle and all. I'm honestly baffled how nobody caught this before, considering his green alt, his heavy kick from the same game, is listed correctly.

While we're at it, how about the fact that the universe page for Fatal Fury states (correctly) that it's from, or at least debuted in Fatal Fury Special while the page here still insists it's only from KoF 98? TotallyNotAutomated (talk) 15:11, February 9, 2020 (EST)

(reset indent) I'm the one who added these alts (because for some reason nobody was interested in listing them, poor guy) and I'll be the first to admit I don't know a lot about Fatal Fury or KoF, and I had to dig through a lot of obscure wiki pages just to get the sources I listed. Thanks for your input; I agree with your assessment and I'll correct them. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 16:16, February 9, 2020 (EST)

Thanks. I'd do it myself, but I'm not established yet. TotallyNotAutomated (talk) 16:55, February 9, 2020 (EST)

Regarding Pokémon alts

This is a minor thing, but can we make it a rule that Pokémon alternate costumes shouldn't be taken as referencing other Pokémon unless the connection is particularly obvious (i.e., pre-evolutions or being extensively similar)? A lot of the Greninja alts on this page were stretches (pink = Lickilicky confirmed!) so I feel like it'd be good practice going forward. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 22:34, November 7, 2019 (EST)

Well, if that's the case, then I feel like someone should remove the ones on Incineroar, "referencing" Infernape and Salandit, since you won't accept the ones I did for Greninja. Sonicfan21 (talk) 21:27, November 20, 2019 (EST)

The Incineroar/Infernape one was settled by a long and arduous discussion on this wiki. Please, let's not open that can of worms again. --PeabodySam (talk) 22:01, November 20, 2019 (EST)

I feel as though the Greninja and Lickilicky example isn't representative of most random Pokemon connections. Both Greninja and Lickilicky/Lickitung prominently use their tongues, so that's an obvious connection. I do agree with the sentiment more generally, though. --Pacack (talk) 16:19, December 27, 2019 (EST)

King Dedede's purple alt

King Dedede's purple alt resembles Queen Sectonia's colors and pattern imo? Thoughts on this? Meeper12346 (talk) 19:07, November 16, 2019 (EDT)

The costume has been there since Brawl and it's more directly based on one of Dedede's alternate palettes from Air Ride, including the pink gloves; however, its palette has been changed since Brawl to incorporate more purple and yellow compared to the original gray and green, so I can absolutely see the case for this. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 19:42, November 16, 2019 (EST)

Yeah; I feel as though the deliberate change from a gray to a purple sash, a much brighter yellow on the markings and the addition of a pink outline really makes me believe that it's in direct reference to Sectonia, albeit not initially.Meeper12346 (talk) 12:06, November 17, 2019 (EDT)

Banjo & Kazooie's 7th costume

I've noticed that their 7th costume, aside from the references already there, also references the colors of "Banjo" and "Kazooie/Tooie" used for the titles of the games, I just really don't know how to put it in the reference box. Sonic, the Cheerful Speedster 16:55, December 25, 2019 (EST)

bigger HD pngs

Currently on the page, the pngs of the alt costumes are tiny (256 × 256 pixels). Such as this,

https://www.ssbwiki.com/Alternate_costume_(SSBU)#Mario

On the Smash Bros official website, all of the alt costumes have bigger HD pngs. For example, Mario has these 8.

https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/mario/main.png
https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/mario/main2.png
https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/mario/main3.png
https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/mario/main4.png
https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/mario/main5.png
https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/mario/main6.png
https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/mario/main7.png
https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/mario/main8.png

Each and every fighter has 8 of these pngs in total. We don't have to stop using the smaller pngs if you wish, but I wanted us to collect these bigger HD pngs while we still can. They're probably not going to be available on the Smash Bros websites 10 years from now, so we might as well archive them now while they're still up on the official website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.14.118.226 (talk • contribs) 10:53, January 5, 2020 (EST)

Yes that's where we got our current images from. We don't really want to host them locally though, mostly because they're too huge and it takes a lot of computing effort to actually use them (i.e. the wiki gets slower). Besides, every Smash Bros. site since the N64 game is still up and fully functional, so we're not worried about losing some prominent SSBU images. Toomai Glittershine Da Bomb 11:09, January 5, 2020 (EST)

In fact, to save space, all of the alternate costume display images are simply a single image in a long row (like so). If we used the high-resolution images, we'd either slow down the wiki trying to have them all load one-by-one, or if we put them in a single image, then you'd have absolute massive images (going by Mario's renders, which are all 1058 pixels wide, they'd be 8464 pixels wide altogether) that would be incredibly impractical. While it's nice to have all the HD alternate costume images, especially since previous games often didn't have them, we don't exactly need them for the wiki's purposes. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 21:36, January 11, 2020 (EST)

Another wiki contributor once added a link to a Google Drive containing HD alternate costume images, to provide an archive in case the official website goes down. However, this link was removed by Toomai because "SmashWiki is not a resource". I personally feel like it would be nice to have an archive available off-site if we won't host the images on the wiki, but... well, the decision is out of my hands if it's wiki policy. --PeabodySam (talk) 21:56, January 11, 2020 (EST)

Byleth's alts

Since Byleth is coming to Smash, I heard there will be male and female variants. Byleth's three alternate costumes are based off: Eldegard (red), Dmitri (blue) and Claude (yellow). The two green and blue variants resemble Sothis. However, Sakurai won't confirm what the two costumes are based off since he will not spoil it. I heard this in the Nintendo direct. --Derekblue1 (talk) 09:28, January 16, 2020 (EST)

We could call them "Enlightened One" costumes to avoid spoilers. Metroidprime (talk) 23:54, January 17, 2020 (EST)

SmashWiki is not spoiler-free. It's better to just refer to the fact its made when Sothis and Byleth are fused rather than to hide away information behind the excuse of spoilers. Crazy456Rhino (talk) 14:08, January 27, 2020 (EST)

Shield

Why is this shielded? MeleeBoi (talk) 22:54, January 26, 2020 (EST)

Replacing the remaining in-game screenshots with the actual renders

I have noticed that for a long time that the renders for seven of the fighters are still in-game screenshots instead of using the actual renders. Why exactly haven't these been updated? Magenta Face (talk) 17:23, January 31, 2020 (EST)

Uh... They are replaced. You might just have to do a hard refresh (Ctrl-Shift-R) and it should fix it. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer Leave a message if needed 18:32, January 31, 2020 (EST)

Are you sure, because even after doing the hard refresh, the Kirby, Marth, Palutena, R.O.B., Simon, Villager & Zelda sections are still using the in-game screenshots instead of the actual renders on my screen. Magenta Face (talk) 20:00, January 31, 2020 (EST)

They are the official renders on the server; this is purely on your end. You can confirm if you use a different browser (like on your phone, for example). (Also, Ctrl-F5 works for a hard refresh, as well.) ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 20:14, January 31, 2020 (EST)

In my computer, these characters appear using thier renders, but in my cell phone, they use the screenshots, that is strange.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.245.168.245 (talk • contribs) 16:50, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

Misinformation Regarding Dr. Mario's Alts

My mom is a nurse, and she told me that people in the medical field don't actually wear different colored scrubs based on their occupation. I don't know where we got that info from, but according to an actual nurse, it's untrue. Therefore, unless my mom is lying to me, that info should probably be changed. Arqade (Talk) 22:29, February 10, 2020 (EST)

I don't doubt that your and your mom have altruistic intentions, but I shouldn't have to say why any evidence based solely on "my mom said it" is shaky at best, nurse or not. Plus we can't really use "someone's mom said it" as a justifiable excuse to update the page. However, if you could find a readily available and professional source that can corroborate it, we'd be more than happy to listen. --TotallyNotAutomated (talk) 22:46, February 10, 2020 (EST)

https://classifieds.usatoday.com/blog/marketplace/what-is-the-meaning-behind-color-coded-scrubs/

Here's a link. Note that this article is providing help for deciding what color scrubs a medical practice should wear, and thus proves that it's up to the practice itself which color scrubs should be worn, and there are no specific colors assigned to specific occupations. Arqade (Talk) 23:41, February 10, 2020 (EST)

Thank you, this will do quite nicely. Unfortunately, and embarrassingly, I don't have the rank of "established user" yet so I can't add the changes myself, but I'll try to get someone I know who can to. Thanks again. TotallyNotAutomated (talk) 23:58, February 10, 2020 (EST)

I'll go ahead and change this too. (I'm not like, the authority on the alternate costume page or anything, and to be honest I'm not quite sure where or when this info was added, but thanks for the input.) ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 00:11, February 11, 2020 (EST)

Thank you. TotallyNotAutomated (talk) 00:33, February 11, 2020 (EST)

No, wait! Just because people working in the medical field don't actually war different color scrubs, doesn't mean Dr. Mario's alts couldn't be based off of them. The media represents scrubs in different outfits all the time from TV shows, Movies, etc. We shouldn't disclude the possiblilty of these alts being references to this just because it's not actually what scrubs wear. Different colored scrubs have been shown off, meaning we have to include that possibility Bigchunguskeanu (talk) 12:04, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

Misc Observations on Costumes (Sonic and Wolf)

Hello! I'm new here, but I've followed this page for a while. Anyways, I noticed two resemblances for potential origins for two characters.

First, about Sonic's costumes. His purple and green costumes feature a (slightly) more purple blue palette, which does look somewhat similar to his sprite in Sonic 1 (here's the Sonic 2 one to compare)

As for his orange costume, his orange shoes do match the palette of his shoes in the Master System/Game Gear games of Sonic, which had more limited palletes so his shoes ended up orange.

Secondly, here's Wolf's design in Star Fox 2, which has a red scarf and black/grey clothing on him, which I feel resembles his black costume a lot.

These are my two observations, not sure if they're 100% true but I think they do resemble their costumes quite a bit.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirb-Star (talk • contribs) 23:38, March 16, 2020 (EDT)

Hello. Thanks for your observations.

I'm actually kicking myself for not noticing the Sonic 1 sprite costume earlier, especially considering I've played a lot of Sonic 1. However, I feel the 8-bit ones are a bit of a stretch.

As for Wolf, I can't help but agree. I'll add those two immediately. TotallyNotAutomated (talk) 21:59, March 18, 2020 (EDT)

Thanks a lot! It's a pleasure.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirb-Star (talk • contribs) 01:15, March 19, 2020 (EDT)

Incineroar's purple pallet swap resembling Big

This is something that's been confusing me for the longest time and I need to mention it. I don't see how Incineroar's purple pallet swap is in any way related to Big. Sure they're both disgusting furry material purple and it's even used in Big's spirit battle, but if anything it's more of a coincidence and comparing this alt to Big is speculation, something that is highly discouraged. Even though some pallet swaps for other characters have some form of speculation, this is a different case as it seems very unlikely that they would make an alt for Incineroar based off of a character from a completely unrelated 3rd party franchise. There are some characters' alts that I think are based off of something else rather than what is listed on this page, yet I still think there is validity that they are what we put (eg I still think Charizard's blue alt is more likely based off of Dratini Dragonair), but if you ask me Incineroar resembling Big is too loose of a connection so I believe we should remove it unless we have proof it's true. OmegαToαd the Toαd Wαrrior (BUP) 20:47, March 20, 2020 (EDT)

I'm gonna have to agree. I feel the only reason this was kept in is due to a "Well, the fact that this was in the Big spirit battle makes it way too obvious for it not to be based on him, and what else could it be based on?" kind of mindset.

I've seen one person suggest that the purple alt. may be based on the Purrloin line, which seems a lot more plausible, although it lacks the cream and pinkish parts. SuperSmashTurtles of the Turtle Tribe 21:20, March 20, 2020 (EDT)

Exactly, that's like saying "Blue Mewtwo is based on Giygas because they're both blue and look almost identical" (if you look at Giygas's sprite in Beginnings he does have a bluish tint) which is not really valid reasoning, because shiny Mew is also blue and because he's from the same franchise it makes more sense. The only issue with purple Incineroar resembling the Purrloin line is like you said he lacks the cream and pinkish parts.

Generally I don't think comparing a pallet swap to a character from a different franchise is a good idea, and the fact that Sonic is a 3rd party franchise while Pokémon is a 1st (2nd?) party franchise makes it even more "farfetch'd!" (I'm sorry I'm a punmaker thanks to watching chuggaaconroy). Even the blue Mewtwo being Giygas example is less of a stretch than this, especially considering how Ape inc, who worked on EarthBound, was renamed Creatures inc and went on to work on Pokémon.

Sometimes though there are cases where a character's alt better resembles a character from a different franchise, but because it's a different franchise it's better to put a reference to something from their home series as the inspiration instead. One example I can give is I once heared someone say years ago that Boweser's blue alt in SSB4 resembles Feraligatr (and I do agree it does), but since he's a Mario character False Bowser is more plausible and should be the put as the inspiration, and so the same should be done about Incineroar's purple alt although Purrloin is still kinda iffy. In my opinion outside of obvious cases like Jigglypuff wearing Peach's crown and Kirby's sleep hat, we should have the mindset of "If it doesn't resemble something from their home series, it's more than likely a Smash original". OmegαToαd the Toαd Wαrrior (BUP) 22:22, March 20, 2020 (EDT)

Robin's white alt says it references the White Mage class from Final Fantasy despite it being an unrelated series to Fire Emblem was in Smash 4 before Cloud joined. I don't see the issue with it resembling a character from a different series. Diddy Kongstar (talk) 23:19, May 20, 2020 (EDT)

Sonic's purple alt

After looking at this edit questioning its resemblance to NiGHTS, I wondered what else it could resemble that would seem more reasonable. Due to a similar but more fitting colour scheme, I've concluded that it shares a better resemblance to Blaze the Cat. The pink in Blaze's shoes (whenever they're not depicted as a redder shade) is more vibrant than NiGHTS' lighter tone, so it bears a stronger resemblance to the alt's shoe colour. Her dress's more subdued purple also matches the alt's purple fur better than NiGHTS'; it's nearly identical in Smash 4, while the fainter colour in Ultimate makes it even more distant from NiGHTS' purple.

While it could reference NiGHTS, especially with their marginally better connection than with most other SEGA universes, the more fitting colours and consistency with the other alts' in-universe references makes me believe that a reference to Blaze is a bit more plausible. Nokii — 22:29, March 22, 2020 (EDT)

Wrong Info on Daisy Alt

Someone described the wedding dress as resembling Peach's retro sprite. I agree that it does, but they call her a brunette... Officially her hair is orange, and if you're not colorblind it's the same as any real redhead's hair. Even the old Peach sprite had the red color, not brown... UhHuhAlrightDaisy (talk) 11:47, April 16, 2020 (EDT)

The alt description is calling Peach the brunette, not Daisy. It's also referring to her appearance in Super Mario Bros. 2 and 3, where, unlike Super Mario Bros. (where her hair was an actual red color), her hair was brown. Aidan, the Rurouni 11:57, April 16, 2020 (EDT)

Lucario

I think Lucario's first three skins are the legendary pokmon from Diamond/Pearl/Platinum. Purple uses he orange-pink and dark pink from Palkia, White uses the light cyan and grey from Dialga, and Grey uses grey, black and red from Giratina.

The Teal skin may also be referencing shiny Dialga, and the Pink skin shiny Palkia.

Navy could be shiny Giratina, though it's a stretch, and the Green could be a very dark version of the green and pink from Shaymin. Bonzairob (talk) 09:37, April 17, 2020 (EDT)

With the three skins taken together, I can see why you would suggest that they represent Palkia/Dialga/Giratina. However, individually, they are lacking the necessary colors and composition to say that they really resemble their respective legendaries: Palkia should have white (or very light pink) as its primary color and dark pink as its secondary color; Dialga should have dark blue as its primary color and light cyan as its secondary color; and Giratina should have gray as its primary color, black as its secondary color, and a notable amount of red and gold as well. While some of these colors are present in the suggested costumes, the composition doesn't match (if we assume Lucario's head/arms/legs are its primary color and its torso is its secondary color, since the former outweighs the latter in the overall color scheme).

The only one that seems a close enough resemblance would be the shiny Dialga, since the Lucario costume does have teal as its primary color and lime green as its secondary color. However, with it being the one outlier, I'm not sure if it's notable enough to say there's a connection or if it's just a coincidence.

(Before any artists try to correct me, I'm using the adjectives "primary" and "secondary" in terms of color scheme, not the color wheel!) --PeabodySam (talk) 10:16, April 17, 2020 (EDT)

The blue & yellow Lucario definitely resembles his Mega Evolved form from X and Y, you can compare it to the spirit shown on his page and you can tell the blue fur is darker and the white fur is yellow --Dubledoc (talk) 7:03, May 5, 2020 (EST)

Dr. Mario

All of Dr. Mario's alts could be references to real life scrubs in hospitals, where each alt can be traced back to a real life scrub uniform. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigchunguskeanu (talk • contribs) 12:12, May 5, 2020 (EDT)

See the earlier discussion: #Misinformation Regarding Dr. Mario's Alts. --PeabodySam (talk) 12:52, May 5, 2020 (EDT)

Regarding continuity errors

It is mentioned that Mewtwo's dark colors are based on Shadow Lugia from Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness and not Shadow Mewtwo from Pokken Tournament, which makes sense due to the fact this alt predates Shadow Mewtwo, but why is Jigglypuff's hibiscus alt listed as a reference to Pheobe from Ruby & Sapphire if this alt also predates Pheobe? Change the description to just be a costume from Melee or leave it blank. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigchunguskeanu (talk • contribs) 12:44, May 5, 2020‎ (EDT)

Please don't forget to sign your posts with ~~~~. --CanvasK (talk) 12:50, May 5, 2020 (EDT)

Thanks for pointing that out; I have now removed the references to Phoebe. --PeabodySam (talk) 12:52, May 5, 2020 (EDT)

Zelda Black Alt

This alt is referenced to be a complementary alt to Link's dark alt, however I believe this alt is a reference to Hilda, a somewhat dimensional counterpart to Zelda. The fact that she was designed to look similar to Zelda, and the fact she was introduced in A Link Between Worlds makes be believe this is in fact her color reference. Bigchunguskeanu (talk) 11:47, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

It's been agreed earlier that the alt isn't in reference to Hilda since the color scheme doesn't match (Hilda has purple hair and a white dress, the alt has white hair and a black dress). Rather, it seems to just be based on the preexisting Smash 4 alt. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 12:09, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

(dangit, I got ninja'd by Serena while writing this response!)

It's way too different from Hilda to be an obvious reference. The only thing that the black alt has in common with Hilda is a purple dress, but the wrong parts of her dress are purple (the parts that should be purple are black instead) and the hair is a completely different color. For comparison, Zelda's purple alt (the one resembling Twilight Princess) is much closer to Hilda than the black alt... and even then, it's still missing Hilda's iconic purple hair, so we can't say there's a connection there either. --PeabodySam (talk) 12:19, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

I don't believe so. Just because there are important features missing does not mean that it has no reference to what the developers were supposed to be referencing. Maybe the alt was originally a complementary outfit to Link's dark alt, but changed overtime to be a reference to Hilda, complementing the change in design (Similar to how I believe Mewtwo's dark alt was originally a reference to Shadow Lugia, but now I believe the developers are trying to reference Shadow Mewtwo with the same alt.) 68.229.132.244 15:29, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

This goes beyond a few minor discrepancies; the black alt is completely different from Hilda, for the reasons Serena and I previously outlined. To speculate that it's based on Hilda without any clear evidence would fall under SW:SPEC. --PeabodySam (talk) 15:59, May 6, 2020 (EDT)