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LittleMacmain97, a new kind of noob. (talk) 17:20, 9 June 2015 (EDT)

I see that you're in the process of cleaning up..

...but I'll give you one anyway:

You are doing good. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 06:53, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

Awesome, thanks :). BUT... It says "cleaning up the taunt pages"... --BeepYou (talk) 07:05, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

Pooooooooooop...I fixed it. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 07:16, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

Also, you do not main the worst character in the game, unless you main Dedede. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 09:31, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

Exactly. Mac has INSANE ground power, CRAZY fast moves (how fast? FRAME 1 JAB!), but all that pros come at a cost... because he has REALLY bad air power. Heck, even the OHKO KO uppercut goes from KOing at 10% to KOing at 150%. (Sorry for off topic) INoMed (Talk) 09:36, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

Uh...he mains Palutena. But yeah, Mac is upper mid tier imo. Lel Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 09:39, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

I do not think she's really the worst... that is, if there is indeed potential due to the shield mechanics harming her a lot. It is the crowd who considers her the worst because she is entirely crippled by the pathetic frame data on her moveset, and they will possibly say she is even worse than before due to the shield mechanics. I just say she's the worst so people shut up and let me use whoever the bloop I want. Also, I do not think Dedede is the worst, there are even worse characters like Dr. Mario... Dedede also seems to be more decent due to the increased hitlag and shieldstun. And nah, it wasn't really off topic, INoMed. --BeepYou (talk) 09:42, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

I have my reasons, and they are here. Omega Tyrant, who is an admin here, is the reason I think that, when I told him Dedede was underrated. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 09:53, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

I do think he's one of the worst, but I do not really think he is the absolute worst. Maybe, and only maybe time will tell us... as well as the changes to the shield... well, you know. --BeepYou (talk) 09:59, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

It kind of poops on his face because a lot of his moves (especially fair, which is made very unsafe) don't have a ton of hitlag, barring smashes. Why is fair so weak and non-hitlaggy that it is unsafe on hit, but still doesn't autocancel in a short hop? Also, I would appreciate if you read and give your feedback to the forum. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 10:13, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

My response to this.

I saw your edit... and I must say: I don't think "m2k" has the worst special moveset in the game alongside Pally. His reflector in Confusion is quick and has low ending lag, his projectile in Shadow Ball is very powerful when fully charged, and his Teleport is pretty good as it is quick and gives him a lot of momentum. The only special move that has no use is Disable: it is slow, has more endlag than Confusion and can be reflected. Jiggs' special moves are wildly polarized as Pound can be used for combos, recovery and KOing (the latter is very situational though) and Rest makes the opponent rest in peace, while Rollout and Sing are telegraphed very easily. I think both "Jiggs" and "lol m2k" compete for the second worst special moveset.

Pally's default specials are all bad except Warp (which still has issues), as Autorecticle will hit only 30% of the time, Reflect and Counter are slow and have a lot of ending lag, and Warp has no hitboxes and even when she is about to teleport she can be hit, as well as having range as short as Mewtwo but no momentum to compensate. Those are the reasons why she has indeed the worst one (sadly). --You

As for Mewtwo, Shadow Ball has no charging hitbox and needs more than 10 frames more time to charge than Lucario's and doesn't have high enough growth to compensate. Confusion is punishable on hit and has pretty bad range, and Teleport has you eat massive landing lag should you land just as you reappear, and has no hitboxes like Palutena, with just as much startup. As for Puffy Fluffy, Rest has almost no range, only has a hitbox for 1-2 frames, and is punishable on kill because it always blasts instead of Star/Screen KOing. As for Pound, good luck landing it with range like that. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 21:44, 6 November 2015 (EST)

Bump. Ganonmew, The Festive Evil Clone 15:41, 3 December 2015 (EST)

Dude I did read it. Just because I didn't respond don't expect an answer :P. Sorry. --BeepYou (talk) 16:08, 3 December 2015 (EST)

Sorrrrryyyy. D-:. Ganonmew, The Festive Evil Clone 08:40, 5 December 2015 (EST)

Hax's mains.

Hax has only been in one Smash 4 tournament and it took place close to the Wii U version's release. Character main sections on SmashWiki should only list mains for games that players take seriously. Hax only plays Melee (and maybe PM) seriously. Please do not relist SSB4 Falcon on the page or I will have to get someone else to revert it. --Falcon-X (talk) 17:17, 14 November 2015 (EST)

I want to point this out, so we solve this pacifically. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 18:04, 12 January 2016 (EST)

I don't know BeepYou, if Miles agrees with you, that's all that matters. All we need is to have an admin have the say and that would be about it. So if you and Miles agree, I agree with you as well. -- Falconian Leader (Enter the Leader's Office) 12:20, 21 January 2016 (EST)

Ah... sorry. I thought I had left you salty. Of course we can solve it this way. Always. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk) 19:42, 21 January 2016 (EST)

Excuse me, but...

Your signature's image is too wide. Reduce the size from 60px to 50px, as there is actually a limit to how wide signatures are. INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 04:54, 5 December 2015 (EST)

Bump of this, since you haven't fixed this problem. 98.157.202.185 13:54, 24 December 2015 (EST)

Smash

I'm available for Smash 3DS action right now if you want. Zyrac(talk•contribs) 16:56, 19 December 2015 (EST)

Hello? You there? Zyrac(talk•contribs) 17:20, 19 December 2015 (EST)

Bad timing, I guess. Message me if you see me online later. Zyrac(talk•contribs) 17:37, 19 December 2015 (EST)

I'm so, so sorry Zyrac. I went for a long walk and then was invited by my friennds for a drink, I got home until 9:30. And I was too tired for smashing. Do you have time right now to compensate, so we can smash? I already registered you. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 17:11, 20 December 2015 (EST)

Okay, I've got some time now if you're still good. Zyrac(talk•contribs) 17:46, 20 December 2015 (EST)

Did you register me already? :) -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 17:59, 20 December 2015 (EST)

Yep. Waiting for you in With Friends right now, let's go. Zyrac(talk•contribs) 18:00, 20 December 2015 (EST)

Your connection given up on you, man? Too bad. Fun few games, at least, especially the Cloud ditto. I gotta be in bed soon, so I guess we'll pick this up some other time. Zyrac(talk•contribs) 18:40, 20 December 2015 (EST)

Yea, pretty sorry. Really wanted to use Palu, but I guess it'll be for another day. You're also amazing with Puff. Keep it up. Also, seems there was input lag on my part when I used Falcon. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 19:28, 20 December 2015 (EST)

Lucas/Zelda pages

I changed Lucas page. When it comes down to it, he has been notably nerfed from Brawl. All of his smash attacks (But down smash) deals less knockback, his aerials no longer autocancel from a short hop and deal less damage, PSI magnet is much worse overall, Grabs were buffed, but still has a worse pummel, and the shieldstun is at best a mixed bag for Lucas. He no longer has access to his advanced techniques from Brawl either. I've been playing close attention to Lucas since release, and his results are lacking, and the consensus is that he was nerfed as his options are overall worse. Maybe he could be considered buffed relative to the cast, but even that is doubtful. Have you seen this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKbLqoXfEns

I've left Zelda alone, but I plan on getting a consensus and changing it soon. As things are, Zelda is considered to be one of the worst characters if not the worst, by casuals and competitive players alike. She has no results, and barebones representation. Losing Sheik has notably crippled her, with the Phantom failing to compensate for this loss. You said you were backed by the community, but popularity won't make a bad character good. So i'll give it more time, but saying Zelda was nerfed seems appropriate. Even on her discussion page, most seem to think that she has been nerfed. http://www.ssbwiki.com/Talk:Zelda_(SSB4) Have you seen this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkDlXJ3jiKg

I'm just looking at the facts and coming to a conclusion based on them. Between their results, and the general consensus, both characters were seemingly nerfed and the Changes from Brawl section should reflect this.

Nightgengale (talk) 14:48, 29 December 2015 (EST)

What is up, Gengale. Sure, I watched both of them by now, so let's talk 'bout it.

Lucas: Okay, Lucas was nerfed originally in his transition. But that video about Lucas is out of date when it comes to his grab. However, the changes to the mechanics along with game updates have helped to compensate for most of the nerfs, with the exception, of course, being down tilt, up and down aerials. We could just say he was slightly nerfed overall, as of now. He has indeed improved relative to the cast, but only a little bit because of most veterans being buffed to varying degrees (except Marth, obviously).

Zelda: I recently watched the video, so... here I go: when I said I was backed up by the community, I meant "not many people said she was the worst", but she is indeed bad. It's just many people think many other characters are also bad, with many examples being Mii Gunner, Jigglypuff, Duck Hunt (which I disagree), Little Mac (again, I disagree), Mii Swordfighter and MOST IMPORTANTLY, Palu. IMO, She had many useful buffs, but the few nerfs she also gained have helped to make her seem like she didn't improve at all in a 1v1 environment. However, I disagree about her frame data: she doesn't have an extremely poor frame data, many characters have even poorer data than her, most notably 3D, Dorf and Shulk.

I'll take care of both pages, but I'll be sure to not make an erroneous edit based on what we talked, so you don't fear. -- Happy Holidays from BeepYou :] 16:35, 29 December 2015 (EST)

lol you didn't have to tell the same thing to King BTW XD. Looking forward to what you'll say about what I write. -- Happy Holidays from BeepYou :] 18:38, 29 December 2015 (EST)

Just wanted his opinion as well. Nothing more.Nightgengale (talk) 23:35, 30 December 2015 (EST)

Not sure if worth mentioning but....

1v1 me :vNightgengale (talk) 23:57, 30 December 2015 (EST))

It's almost bedtime here, so it'll be another day. Sry. -- Happy Holidays from BeepYou :] 00:14, 31 December 2015 (EST)

Do you have time tomorrow? -- Happy Holidays from BeepYou :] 00:17, 31 December 2015 (EST)

What about now? I've got almost all day. Nightgengale (talk) 16:13, 31 December 2015 (EST)

This guy

I would appreciate your opinion on the "Attributes" and "Changes from Brawl" sections, since I'm the one who wrote them. Not only because Falco is a serious main of mine, but because there are some smashers who've been placing well with him. Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 06:54, 13 January 2016 (EST)

It's okay, a pretty good writing of yours. Doesn't surprise me as I had wrote the section for Palu's attributes before anon ruined it then you came out of nowhere and fixed it. BUT, returning to Falco, there are a few things that I could change so they look better worded, as well as add the issues about his neutral game. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 10:35, 13 January 2016 (EST)

I knew I was forgetting something. Okay then, what changes do you suggest? Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 10:39, 13 January 2016 (EST)

Look at his page now. I gotcha covered. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 12:17, 13 January 2016 (EST)

Looks good. Kinda lengthy, but it covers everything. Thanks! ^_^ Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 12:37, 13 January 2016 (EST)

No prob. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 12:38, 13 January 2016 (EST)

Oh and, one last thing. Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 12:48, 13 January 2016 (EST)

Holy cow, that's what I call... nah JK lol, it's only your opinion so I obviously took it with a grain of salt. That's why I normally I don't make tier lists. It seems you're asking me for feedback, but sadly I am not the indicated one. I'd have to make my own tier list to compare my opinion with yours. So the only feedback I'll give is...

• Palutena is not, has never been, and will never be the absolute worst. Yea, she's indeed bad but not even levels of bad, she's possibly the worst out of . Search for her mains and you'll know what I mean. *Mewtwo, Zelda and Samus are also similarly low. M2K is possibly now the worst out of , and Samus is the worst of like Palu.
• King Dedede and Puff deserve to be lower, they're possibly indeed . I can't find notable strengths with them if its not a F4A or Doubles, respectively.
• The Mii Gunner is easily the absolute worst in a 1v1 setting due to many factors, notably the fact it has no combos and is easily comboed, and it has indeed the worst grab game (there's more but I'd make the feedback too long).
• Falco is too high. IMO, he's mid-low tier at best. IDK what is mid-low in this case, but possibly his limit is "the worst of -in the middle of ".

-- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 13:17, 13 January 2016 (EST)

I can see what you mean. Even HBox believes that Jigglypuff sucks. K then, I appreciate your feedback. I'll lower some characters when I edit it again. Except for Falco. He has more combos, more power and an overall better recovery than Fox. Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 13:33, 13 January 2016 (EST)

Metal Characters

I've gathered screenshots of all of the characters in the 3DS version. I'll be uploading them later tonight though since there will be less traffic then. XD Disaster Flare (talk) 16:50, 14 January 2016 (EST)

Thanks a lot. I had time to make them by the moment I had put the message, but not right now, so you uploading the images is very nice.

On the other hand, knowing D1 (Palu) and DC (Lucy) had a battle about who had the best waifu at STR, and they're at it again tomorrow at GENESIS. Who of them both do you want to win? Personally, may the best win, though for some reason I think D1 has a bit of an upper hand... -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 23:43, 14 January 2016 (EST)

I think it'd help if I knew which Lucy. I know of a few Lucy waifus. Disaster Flare (talk) 23:45, 14 January 2016 (EST)

This Lucy. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 00:03, 15 January 2016 (EST)

Ah, I use the spelling "Luci" when referring to Lucina. In my personal opinion, DC, mainly because Lucina's one of my biggest Nintendo waifus, in fact, biggest gaming waifus in general, but Palutena has a pretty good chance too. Disaster Flare (talk) 02:21, 15 January 2016 (EST)

First of all, in the end it will be up to who prepared better, has better fundamentals and/or diersepcts the other the most so he ends up winning, because while Luci is said to have a slightly favorable MU against Palu, D1 is not only known as a commentator, but he also has a good matchup knowledge, and therefore possibly knows her playstyle (I might be wrong though). As I said above though, may the best player win :]

Second, IIRC, Palu's fanbase is slightly larger in Japan than in America (while it is reversed in Luci's case), so their fanbases are as big as the other, making no waifu superior outside of Smash, which also makes both of them very well known waifus on the same level of the "waifumeter". -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 02:39, 15 January 2016 (EST)

Huh, you learn something new every day. I respect your opinion, but I've always liked Luci more.... :P Disaster Flare (talk) 02:41, 15 January 2016 (EST)

XD I can see why... (reads his signature). -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 02:43, 15 January 2016 (EST)

That's actually a mix of two things. It's my crush on Luci, and the red color is done as a nod to Erza Scarlet from Fairy Tail, another waifu of mine. XD Disaster Flare (talk) 02:49, 15 January 2016 (EST)

Two things

1) Can you change your signature so the links are made more clear? It looks like they aren't there and it's really confusing.

2) When you add a new section to a user's talk page, could you use the "new section" button instead of "edit this page"? This adds an automatic edit summary that allows users viewing recent changes easily get to the section. Besides these automatic edit summaries, edit summaries aren't necessary on talk pages. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 19:15, 20 January 2016 (EST)

1) I might think about it...

2) If you used the mobile version of the page, you'd see it is hard to do so, as THERE IS NO NEW SECTION BUTTON... sorry, had a bit of a moment, it's just that I despise the mobile version of Wikipedia and wiki related pages. There is an "add discusion" button if you activated the "beta" version in settings, but the Recent Changes will never display someone added a new section, but rather say someone edited the page.

-- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 19:27, 20 January 2016 (EST)

Oh, well that's dumb. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 19:28, 20 January 2016 (EST)

I'm pretty sure you can access the desktop version on a mobile device (and this is coming from someone with an iPhone). Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 19:32, 20 January 2016 (EST)

Based on the fact that you can access the mobile version on a computer... I'd be surprised if you couldn't ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 19:35, 20 January 2016 (EST)

Yep I cannot. Whenever I try to do so, my phone (an LG) tells me the page couldn't be properly displayed and offer me to refresh the page, only to never work. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 19:37, 20 January 2016 (EST)

weird. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 19:39, 20 January 2016 (EST)

How about now? I thank this for existing. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk to me here!) 19:43, 20 January 2016 (EST)

Zolda

He has recently gotten first in 3 tournaments in WI, Zylach's region. Also top 8 in others. Zylach even admitted to not being able to beat players Zolda has defeated. Zolda will go to more too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Macchiato (talk • contribs) 19:59, 21 January 2016

Yea, Jamal told me bout it. Sorry. And remember to sign your comments.

BTW, if you use the mobile version of the page, go to settings and acitvate the Beta version. That way, you can add a discussion at the bottom and not the top. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk) 20:04, 21 January 2016 (EST)

Oh okay, thanks. Sorry I'm kinda new to smashwiki. I've always been on Smashboards. Macchiato (talk) 20:08, 21 January 2016 (EST)

Gravity

Hey, could you look at gravity's talk? I'm not sure if gravity lowers or improves vertical endurance. I'm sure fall speed does. -- Ethan (Discussion) 14:05, 23 January 2016 (EST)

It reduces vertical endurance, but as a result it also makes the character easier to combo as it reaches its knockback peak faster and makes it start falling before knockback even ends. However, falling speed does increase vertical endurance, but makes the character an even easier combo target (like Fox).

According to what I know, gravity attempts to balance combo vulnerability, but this results in characters becoming easy combo food, with one being notable in particular due to its below average falling speed and tall frame, but unusually -and unfittingly- high gravity. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk) 14:15, 23 January 2016 (EST)

In the case of Link, his previously average gravity is now above average, which is overall bad because it slightly reduces his endurance. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk) 14:17, 23 January 2016 (EST)

About the userbox

In case you haven't seen my talk page, I added it. XD Disaster Flare (talk) 19:01, 26 January 2016 (EST)

Why post your message there?

I think a better idea would have been to just tell that on Falcon-X's talk page instead. Penro, the and main. 20:03, 26 January 2016 (EST)

The message is for everyone. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk) 20:28, 26 January 2016 (EST)

Something I made

It is my first shot at creating a Final Smash page. What do you think? Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 13:16, 30 January 2016 (EST)

Not bad, I suppose. There's not much to say, as I don't usually make this type of pages. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk) 20:50, 31 January 2016 (EST)

About Trela

Hello, BeepYou. I was not trying to be angry. What I meant to say is that he is a solo Ryu and his results basically confirms that. http://smashboards.com/rankings/trela.124110/user?id=8 -- Falconian Leader (Enter the Leader's Office) 12:20, 6 December 2015 (EST)

Ah, I was in fact kidding :V -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk) 22:06, 6 February 2016 (EST)

Why the hell did you name your amiibo Hitler?

I was looking for that link you told me about & found that. What the fuck?!! Unowninator (talk) 21:08, 14 February 2016 (EST)

I named my G&W amiibo "Hitler" because this. I also don't understand what you mean by "what the fuck". If you refer to the hidden info within my user page, that's confidential and must never be publicly revealed. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 21:16, 14 February 2016 (EST)

About the license...

Sorry about that. Penro ...that's all. 23:17, 14 February 2016 (EST)

No problem ;] -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2016 (EST)

Boyyy

btw, this message goes to everyone who ranks her the absolute worst, especially these three users KAPPA no personal attack intended ^-^'.

I'm offended! Jk, but at least I have solid reasons. Also, I didn't consider her the worst until 1.1.1. Ganonmew, The Lovingly Evil Clone 21:06, 17 February 2016 (EST)

Yeah, I wonder why everyone ranks her the worst. She has speed, unlike Ganondorf here. Penro ...that's all. 21:09, 17 February 2016 (EST)

Because actually, if people started to get around her unhelpful frame data, and used the most common techs like PP, ledge-cancel, jab locking, short hopped combos, B-reversed moves, PIVOT FREAKING GRABBED, then her image would be a bit better. I heard from Drill B. he can consider her a better character if he saw what she can do, which sadly I can't demonstrate due to not possessing a Wii U and him not having a 3DS.

Srsly, when I want, I can be terrific with her. I do think she could at least stop being among the worst 7. However, her weaknesses are glaring and as such it takes a lot of skill to properly use her without customs, which is why she does need some buffs to her frame data. If, and only if, she had better frame data, she would say goodbye to every bottom 10.

Oh, another user I forgot to mention on that list: MetaKing, I'm watching you, you better run! -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 22:57, 17 February 2016 (EST)

Hey Palutena is no longer last on my tier list Poultry(talk) the fluffy 18:30, 19 February 2016 (EST)

also, you dont consider me as one of your friends? :O( Poultry(talk) the fluffy 18:34, 19 February 2016 (EST)

Yea. But she's still 2nd worst, so there will be no change in that list of four... -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 18:47, 19 February 2016 (EST)

To be fair, I think she's underrated. She's actually fast, and has results thanks to these two, especially the latter. Penro ...that's all. 19:36, 19 February 2016 (EST)

Amiibo

Y'know, I have all the amiibo you and your bro have and most of the ones you guys want. In fact, I have OVER 50 AMIIBOS!!! The only rare ones I'm missing are Robin, Lucina, and Meta Knight. Swagman, the Green Swordsman 22:25, 18 February 2016 (EST)

Oh, that's awesome. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 23:42, 18 February 2016 (EST)