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Administrators' noticeboard

When you report someone there, how does the admin get notified about the report so they can do something about it? -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk) 14:52, 28 January 2016 (EST)

I have the page on my watchlist and check for any edits to it in the Recent Changes. If you're referring to the specific instance you reported earlier today, I'd say SW:AGF applies. Miles (talk) 14:55, 28 January 2016 (EST)

Yep, I assumed good faith. So that's it then? -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk) 14:56, 28 January 2016 (EST)

Pretty much. Miles (talk) 15:02, 28 January 2016 (EST)

On another note, do you only have a 3DS or do you have a Wii U as well? Because you only list 3DS mains. Just curious. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk) 15:04, 28 January 2016 (EST)

3DS due to some practical limitations, although I have played the Wii U version as well at a friend's place. Miles (talk) 15:07, 28 January 2016 (EST)

LOL just like me! -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk) 15:08, 28 January 2016 (EST)

I'm worried about JesusWaluigi

What if he comes out of his 1 year ban to vandalize again. Should you ban him forever? If you deal with depression, play Smash! {Talk • Contributions) 23:45, 30 January 2016 (EST)

Kind of a weird thing to ask about out of the blue, but I'm not assuming long-banned vandals are likely to come back. If they do come back and do the same things, they'll be banned again. Also, your signature doesn't comply with SW:SIG. Miles (talk) 23:48, 30 January 2016 (EST)

Whoops!

It was my fault that the duplicate for Corrin's Classic Wii U screen was there. I should have looked before I added/unhid it. Thanks! Berrenta (talk) 16:43, 4 February 2016 (EST)

No worries. Miles (talk) 16:43, 4 February 2016 (EST)

Swagman

I kind of just told him that I'd take talk privs if he continued, just before you blocked... so how do you want to handle this? Serpent King 23:28, 6 February 2016 (EST)

He had been repeatedly informed that he was not using his talk page properly by you, Toom, DF, etc.; his continuous ignoring of such warnings led me to issue the extended block. I apologize for the simultaneous nature of our actions on the subject, but I think he had been issued more than sufficient warnings to justify taking action in response to him. Miles (talk) 23:38, 6 February 2016 (EST)

Not a problem, and fair enough. Serpent King 23:39, 6 February 2016 (EST)

GimR

Can I uplaod this image of him? The other one sure looks good, but this one is him in 2016, the other was him in 2015. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 17:31, 9 February 2016 (EST)

Inclined to say the current one is fine, since it's a) a more professional setting, and b) shows him wearing a VGBC-branded jacket. Also, it's been 2016 for less than a month and a half; it's not like 2015 pictures are horribly out of date or anything. Miles (talk) 17:35, 9 February 2016 (EST)

All right. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 17:36, 9 February 2016 (EST)

Hello

Can you please restore my SSBD hitmonchan page so i can copy it to here. Thanks! Poultry(talk) the fluffy 16:44, 10 February 2016 (EST)

and then delete when its done Poultry(talk) the fluffy 16:45, 10 February 2016 (EST)

Rather than un-deleting it and then deleting it again afterwards, I just dropped the code from its last revision in a pastebin here. Miles (talk) 16:51, 10 February 2016 (EST)

Thanks! Poultry(talk) the fluffy 16:52, 10 February 2016 (EST)

Dat ip you recently blocked...

To this policy, you don't block IPs for infinite. Penro ...that's all. 12:20, 12 February 2016 (EST)

I think after they do the same vandalism spree after being blocked for it four times that policy becomes less important. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by cupid♥. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 12:46, 12 February 2016 (EST)

Yeah, good point. I think I should propose the removal of that part. Penro ...that's all. 12:51, 12 February 2016 (EST)

As no one paid attention to this

I'm also summoning the amazing Ryan for this: some people made a page about the known YouTuber Lythero, who is known for the series Gossip For Glory and Grandstanding For Glory, which are also among the most viewed Smash videos alongside GRsmash's highlights and tops, and Alphafraud's How to Play and Story For Glory. The question for you both is the following: do you think Lee is worthy of a smasher page just like GR and Alpha have a smasher page in this wiki?? I hope to hear both of your replies. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 00:55, 17 February 2016 (EST)

I am honestly not really sure. Bring it up in a forum maybe. Serpent King 01:14, 17 February 2016 (EST)

I am the wrong person to ask about this, since this is a part of the community I am very, very uninvolved in and very uninformed about. Miles (talk) 01:21, 17 February 2016 (EST)

Yeah, ask like Jamal or someone. Serpent King 01:24, 17 February 2016 (EST)

Maybe having Jamal's opinion is the ideal thing then. I just hope he responds, he has not done it in a while. Thanks to both of you regardless. And sorry for wasting your time. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 01:32, 17 February 2016 (EST)

Talk pages that are no longer needed

[User talk:BeepYou/How did the shield mechanics in 1.1.0 and 1.1.1 changed characters? (Detailed)|These] [User talk:BeepYou/Prince Fluff (SSBD)|ones]. SK had deleted both of my userpages but he forgot to deleite their respective talk pages. Could you help me there? -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 13:53, 20 February 2016 (EST)

Done. In the future, you can just tag those for speedy delete and they'll probably get dealt with pretty quickly. Miles (talk) 14:48, 20 February 2016 (EST)

Not that I have a problem with it, just that I love pointing out irony, but there's an image sitting in the speedy delete category right now that's been there all day, so... ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 15:01, 20 February 2016 (EST)

Because it's #1 in a batch job I haven't gotten around to yet. Miles (talk) 15:02, 20 February 2016 (EST)

Not to worry, just did it. Serpent King 21:05, 20 February 2016 (EST)

A bad joke, really bad

If you purchased the final dlc, make your mii gunner have the Miles "Tails" Prower costume. Get it? Tails's first name is miles, and that's your name!HAHAHAHA! Swagman, the Green Swordsman 20:22, 25 February 2016 (EST)

Improper usage of talk pages again. >_> Disaster Flare (talk) 20:23, 25 February 2016 (EST)

This is what, your fourth warning? Keep it up and you'll be blocked again. Serpent King 20:24, 25 February 2016 (EST)

Redirect

I wanna make "The FINAL Final Battle" redirect to this rather than this, but don't know how to do that. Can you help? Tepig (talk) 15:14, 29 February 2016 (EST)

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. "The FINAL Final Battle" isn't a redirect at the moment; it's the actual page title for the Wii U event. If you're trying to have a disambig for that analogous to the one for "The Final Battle", I'd point out that part of the reason that one exists is because it's linked from Final Battle, a tournament. Miles (talk) 15:24, 29 February 2016 (EST)

You see, what I meant is that searching for "The Final Battle" takes you to a disambiguation page for the events, but searching "The FINAL Final Battle" takes you to the page for the Wii U event, which creates an inconsistency, so I created the page "The FINAL Final Battle (disambiguation)" so that searching "The FINAL Final Battle" takes you there. Tepig (talk) 15:31, 29 February 2016 (EST)

Except searching for "The Final Battle" also takes you to the Wii U event. There's no inconsistency there that I'm seeing. Miles (talk) 15:33, 29 February 2016 (EST)

...Weird, I recalled there being an inconsistency. I guess you can ignore this then, but we should probably keep the page I created anyway, because if we removed it, then it would be an inconsistency. (We'd have "The Final Battle", "The Final Battle (disambiguation)" and "The FINAL Final Battle", but no "The FINAL Final Battle (disambiguation)". Welp. I can you can ignore this then. Sorry for wasting your time for nothing. :S Tepig (talk) 15:49, 29 February 2016 (EST)

It's an understandable thing to get confused about; it took me a bit to sort it all out myself. No worries. Miles (talk) 16:24, 29 February 2016 (EST)

Smasher Infobox

When you want to put a caption at the center instead of it starting at the left, what do you do? I tried <style="text-align:center> but it doesn't work. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 18:45, 29 February 2016 (EST)

First of all, it's actually <span style="text-align:center;">. Second, the caption (you are talking about the image caption, right?) is already centered by default. Serpent King 18:52, 29 February 2016 (EST)

Actually, Beep is right, SK. The Smasher infobox "caption" parameter yields a bolded caption aligned to the infobox's left. I'm not seeing an easy workaround on this, so I might just fiddle with the template's coding itself to try and make it cleaner-looking. Miles (talk) 18:55, 29 February 2016 (EST)

Thanks to you both. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 18:56, 29 February 2016 (EST)

OH YEAH, you're right. I got around this in my userspace infobox by using divs. Serpent King 18:57, 29 February 2016 (EST)

Try this: <div style="text-align: center;">Stuff</div> Serpent King 18:59, 29 February 2016 (EST)

Looks like I got it to be centered by default. Still not sure why it looks bold by default; anyone who can figure that out and fix it, be my guest. Miles (talk) 19:04, 29 February 2016 (EST)

IRC

Can we talk? -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 19:21, 2 March 2016 (EST)

As far as I know, Miles never goes on IRC. Penro ...that's all. 19:23, 2 March 2016 (EST)

Things can suddenly change, who knows...? -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 19:24, 2 March 2016 (EST)

No, like he hasn't touched IRC for 5 years, I think. Penro ...that's all. 19:26, 2 March 2016 (EST)

I don't use the IRC. I doubt the issue is anything you can't discuss publicly, especially if the subject is the recurring vandal I just blocked. Miles (talk) 19:28, 2 March 2016 (EST)

How do I create a redirect?

So yeah, I have a question. See the headline. Tepig (talk) 17:23, 5 March 2016 (EST)

Create a new page with the code #REDIRECT [[Whatever]], replacing "Whatever" with the target of the redirect. That's all there is to it. Miles (talk) 17:26, 5 March 2016 (EST)

Captain Falcon's F-Zero X artwork in Mario Kart 8

I thought that we count appearances if they actually appear in the game? It's Captain Falcon's artwork that appears in the game, not Captain Falcon himself. In a similar case, his costumes appear in Tekken, Mario Kart 8, and Super Mario Maker, and those don't count. I don't think an image should count as an "appearance" because that's not actually Captain Falcon himself, but an image of his F-Zero X artwork on a screen. If it weren't his artwork and was instead his character model doing things or something then I think it'd be safe to say it'd count. But artwork? That doesn't seem right. MuteSpittah (talk) 22:40, 7 March 2016 (EST)

Generally I've drawn the line between "image of the character" counting and "someone dressed as the character" not counting, although I'm open to being persuaded otherwise if you can get enough support for it. Miles (talk) 23:26, 7 March 2016 (EST)

Ok. I simply see this as common sense. In a sense, isn't a "costume" an image as well? An image can take on many forms. Like, a photo of a person, or a painting, or a 3-D replica, or a mask, or a costume, even a moving image such as a film/movie. In this light, costumes, photos, pictures, artwork, and the like - they're all images. I looked up the definition of "image" - a representation of the external form of a person or thing in art. In this case, in the Mute City track I think, you see an image of Captain Falcon, namely his F-Zero X artwork, on a screen. That's not Falcon himself, but his image projected there. Not even a photo, but an image of artwork of him. MuteSpittah (talk) 23:32, 7 March 2016 (EST)

As such, say Captain Falcon himself does appear on the screen - not as a photo, a piece of art, derived movie clip or animation, static diorama, etc. - but Captain Falcon himself, then yes, he appears in the game. But that's not the case - it's a projected image of him that is in Mario Kart 8. MuteSpittah (talk) 23:37, 7 March 2016 (EST)

And then you could say that if he himself does appear onscreen, that that's a projected image of him. And that gets funky because it's true, but it's not exactly in the same ways. But that may be getting too deep for the magnitude of this topic. MuteSpittah (talk) 23:41, 7 March 2016 (EST)

I know that I'll probably not getting any support from other users for this, likely because it's probably seen as extremely minor and inconsequential, but I care about semantic things such as this and am far more interested in giving a strong and convincing argument for this than gathering consensus. MuteSpittah (talk) 23:44, 7 March 2016 (EST)

That's not the way SmashWiki works. We are a consensus based wiki. A truly convincing argument will attract a consensus. Serpent King 23:50, 7 March 2016 (EST)

Of course I know that's not how SmashWiki works. But not all arguments attract a consensus due to how people deem the argument worth having. This is small, but Miles here cares about it and I do too. I bet you'd be hard-pressed to find someone else who actually cares about it, unless obviously you can prove me wrong. MuteSpittah (talk) 23:52, 7 March 2016 (EST)

Potential case in point: Serpent King, do you care about this, and if so do you care enough to take a side or provide any input for this, and if so, let's hear it? MuteSpittah (talk) 23:54, 7 March 2016 (EST)

Woah woah, let's not jump down my throat for pointing out the way SmashWiki works. It's true that I don't give a rats behind, though. Serpent King 23:59, 7 March 2016 (EST)

I'm not mad, don't worry. Such is the downfall of communication via the Internet. But, case in point. Lol. The reason why I said I don't care for consensus is that while I know SW is consensus-based, I know this won't attract much at all given its magnitude, hence I'm far more interested in having a discussion about it with reasonable arguments. May have seemed that I got heated with my wording because, I know SW is based on consensus, and you're like "SW is consensus" and it's like "I know duh." It's not like you'd know that I know so it's good. But, I would appreciate more input from other users since this is consensus-based. So I guess sure I'm interested in it. I guess I don't expect any lol MuteSpittah (talk) 00:10, 8 March 2016 (EST)

I don't know Miles, I think it's strange that things that I would hope to be considered common sense have to be determined by consensus. Maybe I'm the odd one out here. MuteSpittah (talk) 15:01, 8 March 2016 (EST)

Common sense is sometimes subjective. Also, for future reference: please try to condense your thoughts somewhat and think through what you want to say before immediately posting. Posting on a talk page 4 times within 15 minutes before anyone's responded just clutters things. Miles (talk) 17:15, 8 March 2016 (EST)

Ok. And I take it I'm not convincing you of anything? What are your thoughts? I see you've resorted to the "subjective" card but I've yet to hear a response on what you think. MuteSpittah (talk) 19:12, 8 March 2016 (EST)

What exactly would you like me to do in a situation where I have one opinion and you have another, and nobody else is commenting? Miles (talk) 19:17, 8 March 2016 (EST)

I don't know, have an exchange? Conversation? I said things and you have yet to respond to them? You said I was welcome to talk semantics. I said something, then you, then I, and now I'm waiting on you. I expected better from you in a talk regarding semantics than the "subjective" card.

Why draw the line between an image and a costume, when, as I've stated prior, they are both images of a character, just in different ways? I've given my reasons but I would like to hear yours. MuteSpittah (talk) 19:20, 8 March 2016 (EST)

The difference between "person dressed as someone" and "a picture of someone" seems pretty substantial to me. For example, I wouldn't count Bayonetta dressed as Link as "an appearance of Link" in the way I would an image of Link himself (even if it's just artwork). Miles (talk) 20:03, 8 March 2016 (EST)

Fair enough, but at the same time, both the costume and picture are physical representations of the character, not the character itself. MuteSpittah (talk) 02:39, 9 March 2016 (EST)

That still falls short of what I'm really trying to say, which is that artwork of a character appearing in a game doesn't mean that they actually appear in the game. Many badges depicting Nintendo characters appear in the Nintendo Badge arcade, but that doesn't count as an appearance. Why should MK8 be any different? MuteSpittah (talk) 02:47, 9 March 2016 (EST)

Again, the point is that anywhere we draw the line will be subjective and arbitrary. Unless anyone else voices an opinion, this isn't likely to go anywhere productive. Miles (talk) 03:18, 9 March 2016 (EST)

But that's not a solid reason. If it's so subjective and arbitrary, why do you yourself think that the way it was is the way it should be? If it's so subjective and arbitrary, what's wrong with me changing it to what I think is correct, or anyone for the matter? Because when I made the change, I saw it as a correction. But for some reason you saw that as not upholding consensus? When you pull the "subjective" card your whole point collapses. This vexes me. MuteSpittah (talk) 03:29, 9 March 2016 (EST)

Miles...

¬_¬ -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 19:20, 8 March 2016 (EST)

Happened again. Penro 18:42, 9 March 2016 (EST)

Miles, we have a problematic user

Miles, this user, User:Tabuu123 has profanity in his User Page, in his tier list in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, having Pieces of crap. So please block this user. thanks! TabuuandMasterCore LA flooding (talk) 23:00, 10 March 2016 (EST)

Umm....SmashWiki is not censored. Disaster Flare (talk) 23:01, 10 March 2016 (EST)

Well I know that...... TabuuandMasterCore LA flooding (talk) 23:04, 10 March 2016 (EST)

Then why ask for them to be banned? As far as I can tell, it's not doing any harm to anyone. Disaster Flare (talk) 23:07, 10 March 2016 (EST)

You really don't have to look hard to see profanity much worse than this on the wiki, this doesn't even count. I wonder if it has more to do with his name being similar to yours, and if so, don't worry about it. RobSir zx 23:12, 10 March 2016 (EST)

Well he is unrelated to me, I a much nicer person, plus the difference is my name having Master Core in it, and I think it could be confusing sometimes. TabuuandMasterCore LA flooding (talk) 23:17, 10 March 2016 (EST)

That doesn't answer my question. Disaster Flare (talk) 23:17, 10 March 2016 (EST)

...By that logic, I should report the user Unown_201 on gamefaqs because it's too similar to Unowninator. Unowninator (talk) 23:19, 10 March 2016 (EST) Oops, forgot to mention: this is the place to report: http://www.ssbwiki.com/SmashWiki:Administrators%27_noticeboard

Alright this is bordering on violating SW:TALK. Please keep conversations on topic please. Serpent King 23:21, 10 March 2016 (EST)

I thought I was keeping it on topic? Unowninator (talk) 23:25, 10 March 2016 (EST)

Well, Serpent King, it Started with RobSir then this came on the verge on Violating the SmashWiki Talk, so it's both his and my fault. the part I did I deeply apologize. TabuuandMasterCore LA flooding (talk) 10:54, 11 March 2016 (EST)

Protect the talk too.

Only way to stop the IP. Or a range block. Penro 20:11, 12 March 2016 (EST)

About Project M

Why shouldn't we drop the name on the stage builder page? It's easily the most famous use of the exploit, I see no reason not to mention it, and frankly, if we are going to sensor the mod out of the page, we might as well get rid of the whole section. Serpent King 20:59, 13 March 2016 (EDT)

I mean I'm pretty sure the current standard is that unless the page is a tournament or specifically about mods, Project M shouldn't be mentioned at all. That's all I was going for. Miles (talk) 21:43, 13 March 2016 (EDT)

I'm pretty sure an exception can be made here, don't you think? I mean, already, we more or less mention the mod without dropping the name anyway. Serpent King 21:46, 13 March 2016 (EDT)

We mention that it's a source of an exploit and link to the mods page; is more really needed? Miles (talk) 21:51, 13 March 2016 (EDT)

I really do not see why not. As I said, the exploits most common and most famous use is PM, so why not mention that? Serpent King 22:02, 13 March 2016 (EDT)

Because that's against our current policy of consistency? It's one click further away through the mods page; it's not like it's not connected. Miles (talk) 22:26, 13 March 2016 (EDT)

Gomamugicha and Gomamugitya

They are the same person. Which name should we stick to? -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 19:24, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

I'd been seeing the "tya" romanization more recently, but I'm not totally sure. You can confirm with Jamal if you want more thorough verification. Miles (talk) 19:58, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

"Ko Uppercut"

When searching for "ko uppercut" (due to my laziness in capitalization that I'm sure I share with others,) the existing redirect didn't work. That's why I created the new one, as it worked with that. Regardless, the redirect still may have been unnecessary, I'm not too sure about that. Should we keep it? BaconMaster 17:26, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

The redirect worked fine for me upon typing "ko uppercut" into the search bar. I'm not sure why it wouldn't be working for you. Miles (talk) 18:37, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

That's because Megatron1 made a new redirect for it as Ko uppercut. BaconMaster 18:47, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

Just noticed that. Not sure why it was working differently... Miles (talk) 18:53, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

Blaze and Zephyr

i believe you can restore these pages because they have reached notability Poultry(talk) the Team Liquid 17:35, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

A deleted page can be remade, and there's little of value in the deleted versions. If you think the smashers in question have sufficient results to meet a notability requirement now when they didn't before, you can choose to re-make the page or to bring it up on a talk page first if you're unsure. Miles (talk) 18:37, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

HAL Laboratory's involvement in SSB4

Can you help me out with my problem? I can't tell if HAL Laboratory had any involvement with SSB4, despite the company's name listed in the credits, and the Kirby characters and four stages from SSB appearing in it (Kongo Jungle is exclusive to the Wii U version). Juju1995 (talk) 23:47, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

Highly doubtful. HAL's had little participation since Brawl, and I'm sure if they did have a larger part again, Sakurai would've mentioned something about it. Disaster Flare (talk) 23:57, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

I doubt they did any direct development work on SSB4; to my knowledge, Sakurai's dev team for the game was basically all Bandai Namco staff. Miles (talk) 00:00, 25 March 2016 (EDT)

But I know HAL developed SSB and Melee and had a development corporation with Brawl, so I'm not sure if they were involved with SSB4's development. Juju1995 (talk) 00:19, 25 March 2016 (EDT)

I don't think there's any confirmation of HAL's involvement outside of licensing of Kirby content and potentially porting of 64 stage data. Miles (talk) 00:52, 25 March 2016 (EDT)

But since the Hammer Flip from the Smash Bros. copy ability in Kirby: Planet Robobot made it in the game, in addition to moving left and right and jumping while charging, this either mean that HAL worked on SSB4, or the company borrowed the move from the game. Juju1995 (talk) 14:34, 22 June 2016 (EDT)

Er...they borrowed the move. Just because they take an element from Smash doesn't mean they had an involvement in development. Again, Sakurai would've mentioned something if they had a large part in development. Disaster Flare (talk) 14:47, 22 June 2016 (EDT)

Also, Smash 4 came 18 months before Planet Robobot. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 19:25, 22 June 2016 (EDT)

When a part of Smash 4's legal info says "Original Game: © Nintendo / HAL Laboratory, Inc.", what exactly is that legal referring to, the first Smash game or the latest one(s)? Juju1995 (talk) 22:38, 30 June 2016 (EDT)

Pretty sure that means SSB64. Miles (talk) 23:15, 30 June 2016 (EDT)

Apology

Im sorry i just really think that waluigi is part of the wario universe. Could you start a poll if waluigi is part of the wario or mario universe? Im a BIG waluigi fan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CreeperJ123 (talk • contribs) 16:16, 31 March 2016 (EDT)

We do not make polls to determine whether a fact is true or false. Toomai Glittershine The Brazen 16:19, 31 March 2016 (EDT)

You okay man?

I haven't seen you very active. Is something wrong? :/ -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 00:14, 17 April 2016 (EDT)

Well, first of all, there are more things to do than edit this Wiki everyday. Second of all, his last edit was 4 hours ago. MegaTron1 00:31, 17 April 2016 (EDT)

That's not the answer I expected. I expect an answer from him officially. Sorry if it sounds rude. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 00:52, 17 April 2016 (EDT)

There's a few reasons why I've been a bit less active lately:

• With more admins having been promoted and OT partially active again as well, I'm less often needed for immediate janitorial work.
• My main areas of interest in terms of content editing involves history and origin stuff, which isn't as needed at this particular moment since new SSB4 content is done. The more active stuff seems to be pretty heavily competitively-oriented, which is less my area of interest/expertise.
• Major real life stuff I'm dealing with takes time and energy.

That all said, I do still check Recent changes on a regular basis and try to get an edit or two here and there when I do. Miles (talk) 01:36, 17 April 2016 (EDT)

Oh, so nothing very wrong? That's nice to hear. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 01:40, 17 April 2016 (EDT)

Question

Do you ever use the IRC? Poultry(talk) the God-Slayer 09:06, 23 April 2016 (EDT)

Basically never. If you want to reach me, this talk page is the place to do it. Miles (talk) 11:06, 23 April 2016 (EDT)

47 KB!

You may want to archive soon! Penro 14:37, 23 April 2016 (EDT)

Sorry if I'm annoying you, but it's now 56KB. You'll want to archive, Miles. Penro 20:16, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

There's almost never a reason to point this out to someone. I'll deal with it at some point soon, but it's not really urgent. Miles (talk) 20:33, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

K then. I apologize, it's just that the talk is quite big. Penro 11:05, 15 June 2016 (EDT)

I am sorry

For spamming also can you make a sandbox of ssb trophies of all Mario kart characters 73.52.84.159 13:27, 11 May 2016 (EDT)

I make tables when I feel like it. Pestering other people for things like this is essentially spamming as well. Miles (talk) 13:29, 11 May 2016 (EDT)

No Character Bars?

Why are all of the new character bars being removed? I thought that they were a nice touch and there's no wall of text saying to go here or there for different info, but a table of all the unique pages for a fighter. Gold 12:28, 12 May 2016 (EDT)

Template talk:CharBar Miles (talk) 12:29, 12 May 2016 (EDT)

Now you're the one doing something without consensus :D. Serpent King 18:03, 12 May 2016 (EDT)

Your sarcasm and rudeness is not appreciated Sir Kettle. MegaTron1 18:07, 12 May 2016 (EDT)

By Sir Kettle... you mean Serpent King? Because that would count as an attack. Also, I do think the character bars are a nice touch to the wiki, it make it look cleaner. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 00:22, 13 May 2016 (EDT)

At this point I wouldn't worry about it BeepYou. The dust from this storm has since settled. Disaster Flare (talk) 00:23, 13 May 2016 (EDT)

Wiki Help, including me helping you if I can

I want to help with the wiki plus fix some outdated information about my own self and close Smash friends, including adding players to categories that I don't appear authorized to do.

Inui (talk) 01:12, 23 May 2016 (EDT)

Is there a specific task you're having trouble with? If you're not familiar with wiki formatting, you may want to start with our help pages. Miles (talk) 15:20, 23 May 2016 (EDT)

I can't seem to do much of anything on the VIP Smashers page. For instance, putting Zelgadis down for his Fox innovation. Inui (talk) 20:01, 23 May 2016 (EDT)

If you're referring to the categories I think you are, you have to add them to the bottom of the page you wish to categorize. You can't do it from the category page itself. For what it's worth, Zelgadis is already in the VIP contributors category. Miles (talk) 15:47, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

Wikibound

Hey, do you still have contact with the owner of Wikibound? Guess the site is down. Serpent King 22:35, 3 June 2016 (EDT)

Nope, haven't used the site in ages and don't have contact with the guy. It's Tacopill, if I recall correctly. Miles (talk) 03:50, 4 June 2016 (EDT)

It seems that Tacopill has accounts across NIWA, including one on here. Maybe we should contact him here? BaconMaster 21:40, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

There is no point in trying to contact an inactive user. Serpent King 22:39, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

Image alt text

Hi, your recent edit to {{Change}} (diff) removed the image's alt text. Your edit note said that unlinked images don't have alt text.

Is it possible you've mixed up alt text with the title attribute? The title attribute is what most browsers show as a visual tooltip on mouse hover. MediaWiki usually uses the link target, if any, as default tooltip. Alt text, on the other hand, is an audible equivalent to the image, for visually impaired users. MediaWiki uses the image's file name as default alt text, but editors can usually provide more useful alt text.

[[Image:Notice.png|16px|link=]] Mario's Fireball is now blue.

Browser displays: Mario's Fireball is now blue.

Screen reader says: "Graphic Notice dot p-n-g Mario's Fireball is now blue."

[[Image:Notice.png|alt=Change|16px|link=]] Mario's Fireball is now blue.

Browser displays: Mario's Fireball is now blue.

Screen reader says: "Graphic Change Mario's Fireball is now blue."

75.50.101.167 23:23, 5 June 2016 (EDT)

I don't believe we're set up in general to make deliberate effort for screen reader programs. If that's the only reason you made the change, it's not necessarily worthwhile. If you still disagree with my revert, you should start a discussion about it on one of the templates' talk pages. Miles (talk) 03:40, 6 June 2016 (EDT)

New here

Hey Miles im New here i a big fan of smash i have smash 4. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.76.85.154 (talk • contribs) 08:16, 9 June 2016

That's great, but if you want to show us the knowledge you have from your Smash experience, then you'd better study up on policies such as these babies. --MeatBall104 10:39, 9 June 2016 (EDT)

About that Master Core skull thing?

Note: I'm not looking to argue; I just want to ask why you waited so long to remove it. I asked you if I should remove it, along with 1 other question. You answered the other question, but skipped the deletion, so I figured, you'd remove it yourself if you felt otherwise. With that said, why wait until now to remove it? Unowninator (talk) 18:27, 9 June 2016 (EDT)

Quoted from the talk page:

Really? You think it's a coincidence? Should I just remove it from the trivia? Unowninator (talk) 20:20, 8 March 2016 (EST)

Probably, although that's just my opinion. Miles (talk) 21:00, 8 March 2016 (EST)

I never got back to it, and assumed it had been removed already. When I was checking a different edit to the Master Core page, I saw it was still there and removed it, assuming it had been re-added. I was a bit careless in the situation, and for that I apologize; that said I still think it shouldn't be there. Miles (talk) 18:54, 9 June 2016 (EDT)

Okay, well thanks for explaining. I accept your apology. Unowninator (talk) 19:11, 9 June 2016 (EDT)

issues

This was to solve the website thing messing up. I do not see any issues whatsoever. Serpent King 20:05, 16 July 2016 (EDT)

this is what I am seeing with the current version. Serpent King 20:07, 16 July 2016 (EDT)

It had been causing a floating dash on the EVO page and an undesired table cell on the CEO page; regardless, you've fixed it now. Sorry for the ambiguity. Miles (talk) 20:50, 16 July 2016 (EDT)

IP 138.186.31.81

Did you really had to permaban that IP who only did two minor vandalism edits? If this guy was a recurring vandal, that fine, but I don't think a permaban was necessary. Dots (talk) The Zealot 22:57, 16 July 2016 (EDT)

There's a difference between someone who makes a "joke" vandalism edit and just downright spiteful hate. Type of vandalism matters a lot more to me than quantity. Miles (talk) 23:43, 16 July 2016 (EDT)

Still a permaban on an IP is kinda pointless, isn't it? IPs do change over time after all. Serpent King 00:08, 17 July 2016 (EDT)

Isn't there a rule where admins are not allowed to permaban IPs? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 00:29, 17 July 2016 (EDT)

Not one set in stone as far as I know, no. Serpent King 00:32, 17 July 2016 (EDT)

Read it and weep. Bottom line. Disaster Flare (talk) 01:46, 17 July 2016 (EDT)

The Puff Rollout thing

Was equating "elemental" to mean "special" in which case rollout is not. That said I see where you are coming from...it's not that interesting a point. Serpent King 18:29, 11 August 2016 (EDT)

Yeah, it would have to be worded hyper-specifically to avoid being ambiguous. I actually assumed they meant "the other Pokemon shoot a projectile of elemental energy and Jigglypuff doesn't", but even that's kind of uninteresting. Miles (talk) 20:55, 11 August 2016 (EDT)

Moved everything

Just like it said. Also managed to make pages links to those very sections to save space and the like.

P.S. Yes, I did indeed forget that Jigglypuff/Purin was Normal/Fairy-type; sue me

--SneaselSawashiro (talk) 00:03, 18 August 2016 (EDT)

I don't particularly like your attitude. If you make a mistake, you are going to be called out on it, there is no need to take it personal. Serpent King 00:35, 18 August 2016 (EDT)

Yeah, SK's point had been on my mind as well. Wikis are about collaboration, not about putting other people down. Miles (talk) 02:09, 18 August 2016 (EDT)

Meh, I've already ****ed up on other wikias as well. Another bad habit of mine is I'm very self-deprecating (just typing that out doesn't sound convincing in the slightest from an asswipe like me, I know). --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 02:47, 18 August 2016 (EDT)

I'd encourage more effort spent on self-improvement than self-deprecating or bemoaning your own self-deprecation. Just a thought. Miles (talk) 03:00, 18 August 2016 (EDT)

Like Miles said, wikis are a collaborative environment. We all make mistakes, and we learn from them. If you're having personal problems that are affecting your edits or how you view them, talk about it with someone in private if needed. Don't publicly slander yourself after you make a mistake; that's blatant guilt tripping and does not belong in a wiki environment. -- Yellow of the Grove 03:12, 18 August 2016 (EDT)

You might want to update your sandbox2 section.

I added a File:Ryu SF5.png to the Ryu page mainly due to the fact that Ryu in Smash 4's design is based on his appearance in Street Fighter V. Just stopping by to make sure you're functioning on this wiki. :) -- The Combo King (Thanks for Playing, GGs) 14:53, 21 August 2016 (EDT)

I'll get to it. I update userpages as I get around to it; they're not a high priority. Miles (talk) 16:32, 21 August 2016 (EDT)

Image Captions ending in periods

At Yoshi's_Island_(SSBB): Correct me if I'm wrong, but none of those captions were complete sentances. So there should be no periods, right? Sir Glazington (talk) 11:22, 2 September 2016 (EDT)

That part of the Manual of Style doesn't accurately reflect long-standing practices on this wiki, and should probably be corrected. Miles (talk) 11:54, 2 September 2016 (EDT)

Dang... That kinda defeats the purpose, now doesn't it? Note taken. Thanks. Sir Glazington (talk) 12:02, 2 September 2016 (EDT)

It's alright; the policy pages aren't always the best representation of what's become common practice, and it's probably worth keeping them better updated. I appreciate your assistance in pointing it out. Miles (talk) 12:11, 2 September 2016 (EDT)

Fox

If your reasoning for not changing to Zero's design for Fox is "design completely post-dates the ones used by Smash and has major design differences", I urge you to look again. Just compare:

If you ask me, the Zero design is way closer to Smash than the Command design, particularly in the jacket. Serpent King 17:40, 1 October 2016 (EDT)

If memory serves, the Zero design is based on Smash, not the other way around. Aidan, the Spooky Dragon Warrior 17:52, 1 October 2016 (EDT)

Not exactly like it matters what's based off what. We go for the closest match. Serpent King 17:54, 1 October 2016 (EDT)

We've been going for "closest origin image". Zero is not an origin image for Smash. Miles (talk) 20:07, 1 October 2016 (EDT)

IP

Long time we not talk. So this IP made this edit on the blocked user. Is it valid? Because I thought admins could only do that kind of edits. -- Merry Christ... I mean, Happy Halloween from BeepYou... (talk) 20:34, 31 October 2016 (EDT)

Is that template they added even in use anywhere else? I don't really see the point of it; anyone can check if a user is blocked in the block log. Miles (talk) 20:48, 31 October 2016 (EDT)

It's on Drilly's page. But yeah I agree it is kind of pointless. Serpent King 21:25, 31 October 2016 (EDT)

Final Smash template

If you could, do you mind explaining how exactly it's a total mess compared to the original version? I honestly see no problems with it, and I will explain why. I would argue it's much more consistent overall. For one thing, leaving the Final Smashes replaced unchanged like that honestly makes the template look ugly. Take the very bottom of it for instance with ZSS's. I would not call that clean at all, what with the out of place parentheses and commas, which doesn't work at all with a template if you ask me. Another thing, separating them by order of introduction helps a user better understand when exactly they debuted before they even click on the article, which is further assisted by the changes in head icons. This was one of the biggest things that bugged me about that template, especially considering there are other templates that follow under a similar pattern (forgive me the fact that I don't provide any examples, really don't feel like trying to dig any up right now). I further stress "consistency" here, because the fact that it currently doesn't follow under the patterns of other templates in a similar vein to what I was trying to do makes it feel really out of place compared to our other templates. With that being said, there's my counter-argument. If you could provide a more in-depth argument about why you don't like it when you get a chance, that would be greatly appreciated. Disaster Flare (talk) 01:35, 21 November 2016 (EST)

I've done so previously when a similar attempt at reorganization was made. I agree that the status quo version isn't the most elegant way, but I found your version to be even more unwieldy. Miles (talk) 01:45, 21 November 2016 (EST)

Hmmm.....I suppose you do have some good points there. I'll continue tinkering with the idea in a sandbox or something and see if I can find a better way to have it in the future. Disaster Flare (talk) 01:49, 21 November 2016 (EST)

I personally disagree that we should settle with the mess we have now. I'll continue trying to think up something, but I would like to state that I think that Flare's version is an improvement. Serpent King 01:51, 21 November 2016 (EST)

I think DF's version of the template was a vast improvement over what we have now. If people have been complaining about the Final Smash template for a while, then maybe it needs to be changed. The problem is that it comes off as a big wall of text. DF's version addressed that issue and sorted them by debut game, which is much more useful imo. John PK SMAAAASH!! 09:26, 21 November 2016 (EST)

Separating them out by game would be reasonable if it weren't for situations like Luigi, Kirby, etc. where they received a new FS. Splitting these across sections of the template seems like a very confusing and un-intuitive layout. As I said, though, I do recognize the issues with the current layout, and may try to put together some mockups soon to see if we can find a workable compromise. Miles (talk) 10:59, 21 November 2016 (EST)

Big posters

Where did you get the big Cloud poster? The official website only gives me the small version. -- BeepYou (talk) 00:31, 10 December 2016 (EST)

Just click on the poster image itself here and it brings you to the larger version. Miles (talk) 01:06, 10 December 2016 (EST)

I didn't make this but I feel it's notable

Hey Miles, someone (not me) made a page for Luminosity Gaming. As you may have known, the team has a significant presence in the Smash community (iirc, they have two AAA smashers that are among the best within their respective games. I guess this is one of the criteria for SW:NOTE. Sorry to bother you. -- Falcon-X (Freedom House) 14:34, 23 January 2017 (EST)

Yes, they seem to meet the notability requirements. Is there something you'd like from me on the subject? Miles (talk) 16:22, 23 January 2017 (EST)

I don't think there is anything else needed that is SmashWiki related. There might be some stuff added when significant news shows up. -- Falcon-X (Freedom House) 22:12, 23 January 2017 (EST)

Wiki format

Hey, CpnFlacon here. I wanted to ask you about your suggestion you made on my talk page recently about bringing back the old wiki projects format. Do you think this is something that would actually help the wiki, and if so how would we go about re-implementing it? CpnFlacon (talk) 13:58, 28 January 2017 (EST)

Debatable. The main issue with the projects system was lack of participation. In any case, such a project page already existed, but the project was never finished. Miles (talk) 15:42, 28 January 2017 (EST)

Wow. That was a long time ago. I see your point about lack of participation. Well, we're finally getting to it now. Once I finish this project, I'll be looking to start another similar project for Melee, except I'm going to make sure I organize the project better ahead of time so we're not figuring things out as we go along like we have been with this. CpnFlacon (talk) 21:57, 28 January 2017 (EST)

A commendable effort. These pages have been sitting around unfinished and filling up the Wanted Pages list for a long time now. Seeing them finished or near-finished is a major improvement. Miles (talk) 23:24, 28 January 2017 (EST)

TL

Look, listing him like that just makes things more needlessly complicated. It's not like FS or WW were the first games to use cel shading, and it's also true that TL is not the same character in FS (as stated). As to why we feel the need to list FS as an origin game is beyond me. Should we list Mario as an origin appearance in the arcade DK, but uses the 3D graphics of M64? No, and it seems like this is about the same deal here. Serpent King 05:23, 30 January 2017 (EST)

The problem is that "Toon Link" is inherently defined relative to the art-style, not the individual character. This is exemplified in Hyrule Warriors Legends where Toon Link is still mostly Wind Waker, but also incorporates elements from Spirit Tracks, which stars another "Toon Link" of the same art-style who is not the same person. SSB4's trophy game listing for him does the same thing. Since the concept of Toon Link definitely goes beyond just "Wind Waker Link" and extends to the other Links of the same art-style, it seems worthwhile to track both. Miles (talk) 05:46, 30 January 2017 (EST)

Rename Request

I want to change my current username to "Ik0zael" since I've done so on other websites to distinguish from my new and old username.

Ik0zael (talk) 18:10, 7 March 2017 (EST)

I believe the person you're looking for is this guy. Disaster Flare (talk) 18:32, 7 March 2017 (EST)

this

I am a bit confused by your logic here, considering that the images themselves cover the difference between the character...err forms I guess for lack of better word. We should use official names in light of this, no? Serpent King 18:21, 14 April 2017 (EDT)

I just thought of what I think is a reasonable compromise; I'll have it implemented in a second. Miles (talk) 18:30, 14 April 2017 (EDT)

IRC

Hey Miles, I know you have said in the past you didn't want to join the IRC, but since it is basically completely empty due to everyone moving to the Discord server, I wouldlike to talk for a moment with you. I promise to keep our conversation a secret to everyone because yes, I don't want anybody else to know about our conversation. -- Beep (talk) 14:35, 31 May 2017 (EDT)

If it's about wiki business, I'd rather have it out in the open; if it's not about wiki business, I'm not particularly interested. Sorry about that. Miles (talk) 16:52, 31 May 2017 (EDT)

Very well, then. Might as well point out your problems as an admin in public, right? No? Well, sorry, because I just started:

1. When it comes to managing a wiki, you're extremely fluctuating in terms of either doing something or not doing anything at all. In the case of the former (doing anything), I do recognize you've cleaned up a lot of issues with categories and templates, and often repair some mistakes you see. But when somebody else does it, you haven't even broke a sweat trying to help. In the case of the latter (doing nothing), you don't even try to think of a way to improve the wiki. Wikis are never perfect. The phrase "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" because wikis are always in need of improvement. Plus many vandals come here and try to ruin the wiki. Often, I see vandals in need of blocking and no admin is there to help except you. We file a request in the notieboard so that the vandals get bloked. And what are you doing to help? Nothing. So we have to wait for another admin to come and fix the mess, while vandals keep destroying the wiki and you sit there without doing so.
2. If somebody ever suggests a way to improve the wiki, either via moving a page, offering a new guideline, or discussing about writing a new page/improving a page's writing, you either oppose it or are neutral about it 70% of the time. Okay, I do get sometimes a number of suggestions can seem pointless at first glance, but dig a little deeper and you can see the suggestions are made with good intentions. I know for a fact that back in the 2011-2014 area, when Serp, Flare and Nyargle were still not admins and Emmett, Hawk, Semicolon and Penguin were admins, not much was suggested (I know about it because I was an editing IP around that time) because the wiki wasn't brimming with as many users as it does today but, things have got to change. You cannot stick to the same period of time you were "on your prime", you need to adapt to the changes.
3. You don't socialize. This issue. This issue is arguably the biggest one you have, and the one that earns you several users that regard you as unreliable, to the point they resort to other admins for help and only ask you in case they reeeeeally need it. You say "I'm not in this wiki to make any friends, I'm here to administrate the wiki; I don't like to socialize". But that's where you are wrong. Socializing in this wiki is not only one of the things that earns you new friends, but also the respect of other people that do not wish to consider you one. However, I don't see you complimenting somebody for the good edits they make, either. Serp, Flare, Nyargle, Toomai and even OT have friends along the wiki (especially the former two, which are currently the most active admins) and respect users that have proven they are valuable. They are on the chats talking to people and socializing, which earns them the interest of other users about what they like to do, allows them to manage a problem in the wiki more swiftly, and lets them know when they messed up something (and viceversa to other users), which they'll improve on. You don't get that attention and interest from other users in you because you never socialize, nor do you try to improve because nobody can tell you what did you screw up (and even if they tell you, you won't accept it). This issue is what keeps you from growing as an admin, since there are no users to contact you other than with talk pages, and keep in mind there are things that could be said in chat, but not in wiki talk pages. You can't have the trust of other people if you don't have their respect and/or friendship. That's virtually impossible.

Overall, yeah, I think you're the lousiest admin in the wiki. In no way this is a personal attack to you, I'm just telling you that you've got a lot to improve on because other admins have done a better job than you could've done as an admin. Because while some of them might not be as "highly qualified wiki editors" as you are, they have points to their favor and ideas you don't. Somebody was bound to tell you all of this, and it was not going to be any other user because some of them are afraid that, if they tell you about this, you'll block them/attack them, something that is prohibited if it's a personal attack, which this isn't. I, of all users, decided to do so because from this day until I dunno when, I'll be grounded for a long time and won't be able to check either on the Discord server or even the wiki (so if you still block me, I won't be able to check on the wiki regardless). I hope that regarding the issues I mentioned, you improve as an admin, so that you get the respect from other people, including me. Until next time. -- An inactive Beep, until next time (so it's no use to talk to me) 12:25, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

1. I don't have as much free time as I used to. I can't be online 24/7, but I do make an effort to check the wiki a few times a day. In terms of "vandals destroying the wiki", a) that's hyperbole, it's easily cleaned up, and b) that's why it's a team effort and why I'm not the only admin. We cover each others' absences that way.
2. This is a case of confirmation bias, I think; a lot of recent topics have been things I disagree with (such as rampant redirect deletionism) but there have also been a few that I thoroughly support (see here for one). I also should point this much out that in terms of adding/changing content pages: my main areas of interest in Smash frankly aren't getting new content right now. For example, I'm not particularly invested in competitive play, and while I do make an attempt to keep generally up-to-date as part of my job as admin, I'm unlikely to go creating pages for tournaments, Smashers, etc. simply because I don't feel knowledgeable enough to do so.
3. I fail to see how this is a problem. As I mentioned in point #1, I'm not online all the time, so there are many instances of me seeing someone did a good job that I would thank them for only to see that one or more users have already done so, in which case I often skip adding my own redundant comment after-the-fact. I also don't actively use Discord in general (and didn't use IRC actively back in the day either), so if the criticism is that I'm not going far out of my way to stay online in a chatroom program I don't otherwise use, I think that's a bit unjustified. My talk page is here, and users are more than welcome to contact me about issues they'd like my input on. I take constructive criticism seriously.

I'm not some mean-spirited jerk, you know. I honestly think that a lot of people on this site have a deeply inaccurate picture of who I am and how I respond to things. There's several reasons for that, including the fact that I've been on this site since I was a short-sighted teenager who was a lot more careless with how I talked about things. In general, though, I would appreciate if people would simply work with me respectfully than avoid me based on preconceived notions. Miles (talk) 14:11, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

I don't necessarily agree with the first and second points of Beep's argument. Me and Flare are on often enough to block whoever needs blocked, and inactivity isn't really a reason to be mad at someone. It's also totally ok to oppose something you disagree with (even if it's always my suggestions :|). I do however wish you'd join our discord server. Literally all other active admins are there, and I feel like a lot of the misconceptions and whatever you pointed out in your response could be more easily cleared up through discord. Serpent King 16:12, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

I'll consider it, but I can't make any promises. Miles (talk) 16:40, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

I suppose you have decided against joining us on Discord? A shame, really. I seriously think you could improve your admin abilities with a little extra socializing. Serpent King 23:43, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

Famicom Grand Prix

Recently, you undid an edit of mine in which I added the Famicom Grand Prix games as a separate universe, as they are usually considered Mario games. However, its properties aren't referenced by the games themselves as being from Mario (e.g. the Monster trophy is in the "Other" category in Melee). My main reason for adding the universe was continuity with the other pages, but should I just leave it as is? TwentyPointPi (talk) 14:07, 20 June 2017 (EDT)

The trophy categorizations aren't 100%; note that the Viruses from Dr. Mario are also in the "Other" category in SSB4, and there's no doubt about that game's status as a Mario title. Combine that with the fact that the Famicom Grand Prix games included Mario/Luigi as their playable characters and the fact that the FGP II track used in Brawl/SSB4 is on a Mario Kart stage, and I think it's clear that it's generally considered a Mario title itself. The best analogue is probably Wrecking Crew, which we treated as a Mario property in Brawl until SSB4 gave it its own symbol for some reason, forcing it to be recognized as a separate sub-universe. Without that kind of change, I can't see a reason to identify FGP as its own series. Miles (talk) 14:26, 20 June 2017 (EDT)

Ah, I understand now. Thanks! TwentyPointPi (talk) 15:39, 20 June 2017 (EDT)

About Music (SSBM)

You wrote this. What exactly is inaccurate about the credits? What tipped you off, I guess, is my question. Serpent King 01:08, 3 September 2017 (EDT)

Brawl and SSB4, plus the Melee website, give us accurate composition/arrangement credits for all of the Melee tracks except a few; I used those credits in making List of composers. The Music (SSBM) page seemed to have incorrect information at the time I tagged it. Miles (talk) 03:10, 6 September 2017 (EDT)

Hey uh

How long is Dragonfirebreath25 (talk•contribs•logs)'s probation supposed to last? You didn't put him on the probation tracker after probating him, and I might have done it myself if I knew how long it was to go on for (Disaster Flare's comment "until your behavior improves" implies indefinite, but I wanted to make sure). Also I'm not even sure if it matters since it seems he's on the border of being blocked big time :p - EndGenuity (talk) 13:39, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

Indefinite for the time being. And I'd rather not have to block him; I don't like blocking good-faith editors even if their efforts are misguided. That said, I will if he doesn't improve. Miles (talk) 14:19, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

We typically don't set an expiry unless we are given reason to believe that the user will change their wicked ways. Serpent King 17:57, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

Where is this now?

I have a bone to pick with you. A few months back you deleted this file, but you obviously didn't check what pages linked to it, because I found a red link on Fire Emblem (universe). There was another one on Roy (PM). So what is the file? While I was writing this however, Flare found the file, but I still felt I had to let you know about this. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 19:23, 10 October 2017 (EDT)

The problem is that files linked by [[:File:Whatever.jpg|text]] don't properly show on Special:Whatlinkshere. Both instances you found were linked that way. Miles (talk) 20:56, 10 October 2017 (EDT)

I'm not sure what you mean by that, because I could see them on the special page just fine, which is how I found all instances of the red link in the first place. Disaster Flare (talk) 21:00, 10 October 2017 (EDT)

I had meant to bring this up before, but never got the chance to (since Flare beat me to the punch). That said, they did show up for me as well. Aidan, the Spooky Rurouni 21:14, 10 October 2017 (EDT)

I too saw everything in the Special page - which is how I found the Roy PM link. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 21:21, 10 October 2017 (EDT)

So it seems I was conflating two things in my mind and combining that error with out-of-date info. I think it's that when you go to delete an image, it used to pop up a message to the effect of "warning: this image is in use on X pages" if it was embedded anywhere (this message linked to the WhatLinksHere special page), but if it's only linked in text, it didn't pop up the warning. Apparently at some point this changed without my being aware of it, leading to the inaccurate assumption that, since it wasn't flagging any embedded usages, it was safe to delete. My apologies for the confusion and for not checking thoroughly before deleting it. (I would've just overwritten the image, but I was replacing a jpg with a png and couldn't upload over it while keeping the filename.) Miles (talk) 21:22, 10 October 2017 (EDT)

Super Mario Odyssey

Super Mario Odyssey is here in Australia. I already changed their appearances with their current appearance in Odyssey for the Switch. Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 09:31, 26 October 2017 (EDT)

Question about Prima move names

Was there some discussion about not using those at some point? If not there probably will be: Toomai and I are in agreement that there should be some consensus there. Serpent King 20:25, 4 November 2017 (EDT)

I don't recall whether a formal discussion was ever held on the subject. The closest I could find was the back-and-forth in the page history on SW:OFFICIAL. Miles (talk) 23:18, 4 November 2017 (EDT)

Sonic Forces

Sonic Forces is out in Europe so, I updated their appearances with the current one! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 16:15, 6 November 2017 (EST)

Sorry to pester you again, but...

About Golden Sun on the "Pages to Improve" headline...there's nothing wrong I see with it at all. Maybe a little short, but the franchise is so small and has such a small impact on the Smash franchise that it doesn't matter. Why is it there? --Penro 22:44, 11 November 2017 (EST)

I guess I figured that it needed a series description section analogous to the ones for "primary" universes, even if it didn't go quite as in-depth as those. It was supposed to be the first in line of the Assist Trophy universes to get tagged for that, but nobody ever did it so I never got around to replacing it with other AT universes afterwards. I would write it myself, but it's not a series I've played or researched personally. Miles (talk) 01:59, 12 November 2017 (EST)

Your note about redirect deletion

"for future reference, please always tag redirects for deletion >above< the redirect code, to simplify accessing them for the admin doing the deletion"

...Except that when you do that, it breaks the redirect. I needed to let you know about that.

On a side note, something else I need to let you know about is your talk page being way overdue for an archive. It's currently at 104 MB, but you're supposed to be archiving it when it reaches 32. Can you please take care of that when you can? Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 19:00, 3 December 2017 (EST)

That's the point. If a redirect is obviously in need of deletion, it is a nice convenience to deliberately break it, so that clicking on it from the "for deletion" category doesn't redirect me away from the page to be deleted. And if it's tagged for deletion, it shouldn't be linked from anywhere and therefore the fact that it's broken is of no consequence to normal usage. (And yes, I need to archive.) Miles (talk) 19:22, 3 December 2017 (EST)