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More rumored stuff

Not especially convinced any of this is real or even worth noting in this article, but there's a few other supposed leaks floating around right now that I thought I'd get links to just in case: Great Bay for 3DS, Dr. Mario stage for Wii U. Miles (talk) 08:58, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

Doesn't seem quite notable enough. We'll see how long these rumors stick around and how big they get, then maybe they can go on this page. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 09:18, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

Yeah, I mostly just put them here on the off chance any of them turned out to be legit, so we would have the links handy if that proved to be the case. Miles (talk) 09:37, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

The photos dont look legit... Toon Link DOES make Great bay For 3DS An interesting leak though! 2.29.245.42 10:01, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

I was literally about to put this up here.

That being said, I was looking at the Dr. Mario images, and apparently there's Alfonzo in one of them? So yea, that one's out the window. ...Minor hopes for Great Bay, though. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 10:23, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

...Scratch that. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 10:32, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

That is some awful photoshoppin' there xD 2.29.245.42 10:42, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

[1][2][3][4] Great Bay is fake, but nothing has disconfirmed the Dr. Mario stage, yet. --Skittles (talk)

Dr. Mario stage was confirmed as fake by the leaker. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 11:42, 6 August 2015 (EDT)

(Reset indent) Not saying I don't believe you, but I'd like a link to this one. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 12:02, 6 August 2015 (EDT)

here Miles (talk) 12:39, 6 August 2015 (EDT)

So...

*puts this up*

*does a victory dance* Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 19:49, 22 August 2015 (EDT)

Tweet sounds more like a joke to me, but I will say that it's pretty notable if true. You should probably directly link the tweet next time btw: https://twitter.com/LaytonSmash/status/635188962257190912. Also, it could've been for something unrelated, or heck, even unused. Someone should tweet him for clarification. My source. Laikue (talk | contribs) 19:53, 22 August 2015 (EDT)

I happen to have a Twitter. Brb. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 19:56, 22 August 2015 (EDT)

keep in mind Miles (talk) 20:08, 22 August 2015 (EDT)

I noticed that in Laikue's reddit link. I just tweeted him myself, and so now we play the waiting game. [5] Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 20:10, 22 August 2015 (EDT)

Shovel Knight?

Continuing this discussion, one of my friends recently shared this link on Facebook. Thoughts? Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 17:00, 26 August 2015 (EDT)

Now, before you ask, yes, I have contacted YCG about this. We just have to wait for what they say about this. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 17:03, 26 August 2015 (EDT)

I think the best thing to do at the moment is wait for any potential news out of the "Nindie" event at PAX in the next few days. Miles (talk) 17:12, 26 August 2015 (EDT)

PAX? Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 17:23, 26 August 2015 (EDT)

Penny Arcade eXpo, a gaming convention. Google it, it's not really about Penny Arcade, but it's hosted by the creators of it. As for my 2-cents on the leak, I'm not sure about its legitimacy. Yeah, Unseen64 isn't ALWAYS reliable, but he does get a lot of legitimate information. Such as all of that Mario Spikers info. Also, all we're gonna get from a tweet is the developers deflecting the rumors, even if they're true. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. Laikue (talk | contribs) 17:54, 26 August 2015 (EDT)

relevant links Miles (talk) 17:56, 26 August 2015 (EDT)

This should be on this page if it's fake, IMO. It's received almost as much coverage as the Rayman leak. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 18:17, 26 August 2015 (EDT)

Hasn't the YCG Twitter account debunked this rumor several times now? Nintenzilla (talk) 11:21, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

I believe so, the rumor should be considered, "Dead", but people continue to go on about it and say that YCG's Twitter is inacurite. 64.251.53.34 12:13, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

So if it really is debunked, why are people still saying, "It's real!" Shouldn't we say it's fake? Nintenzilla (talk) 12:18, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

All rumors here are to be considered fake until proven otherwise. Rumors that turn out to be true are moved to the leak article. Miles (talk) 12:21, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

But they've stated, on several occasions, it's not happening, meaning it's fake. Nintenzilla (talk) 12:23, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

The reason I left the phrasing on the article open-ended is because SSB4's DLC development is open-ended. Should Shovel Knight appear in SSB4 DLC in any capacity, it will need to be updated. This is different from claims that are either disproven on a game's release, as well as different from claims which are admitted to be fakes (Artsy Omni's Rayman, for example). Miles (talk) 12:26, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

Okay, I know this isn't the place, but I just have to get this out there.

• RANT START! Okay, sorry to say this, but Shovel Knight appearing in Smash is about as sensible as Cars getting a third movie. He's an indie character that's had one game that's been out for a year and hasn't even been released in Japan yet or gotten a sequel (If you don't count Plauge of Shadows). Him appearing in Smash as DLC would be a dangerous move on Nintendo, HAL, SORA, and Bandai-Namco's parts, it's not a good decision critically, or financially, there are so many better options, Professor Layton, Shantae, hell, I'd even say Arle Nadja from Puyo Puyo would be a better option despite her only appearing outside of Japan once because she's at least an icon. END RANT!*

Sorry about that, but I've got to say, they've admitted this to be a fake several times, then again, they have been also hinting at him being in the game, along with hints of other content I believe, but still, that's not saying much I don't think considering what I said above. In the end they've stated that it's more fake then it is real. Nintenzilla (talk) 12:47, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

If they've stated, "That'd be great, but unfortunately it's just an error" Then why should we still consider it a possibility? Nintenzilla (talk) 12:53, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

It really doesn't make sense if you think about it. Nintenzilla (talk) 13:04, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

1. Layton isn't an indie character. He's third party.
2. The creators of SK probably wouldn't want his status in Smash (if anything) to be leaked.
3. Pretty sure Cars is getting a third movie.

Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 13:13, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

I was referring to guest characters in general, as Sakurai stated, it's a special case, and all of the guest characters are special in their own ways, and yes, I know that Cars is getting a third movie, I just couldn't find a better comparison. So if he was leaked, why didn't they just say nothing, at the very least with the Shantae thing, he didn't flat out say that picture had nothing to do with Shantae, here, they flat-out say SK isn't in the game. So if he is, they're currently hiding with lies, which is causing alot of tension. If they really know SK is in the game along with all the other content they've been teasing, then why would they lie? (Also what would Butt-Butt have that would make him a worthy guest character along with Sonic, Ryu, Mega Man and Pac-Man?) Nintenzilla (talk) 13:50, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

I'm sorry, but I just feel the need to point out how utterly awful of a comparison that is. Cars 2 made TRIPLE of it's $200 Million budget. If that alone doesn't make Cars 3 a financial treat, I don't know what will. It also made over Ten Billion Dollars in merchandise BEFORE Cars 2 was even released. It was also reported that Cars 2 was a massive financial success, all-in-all, so I think it's safe to say that a third Cars movie would be a non-risk. Laikue (talk | contribs) 16:00, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

Alright, alright, it was a bad comparison, I get it, (Although I was more refering to how the second one was critically panned). If anyone has a better comparison, I'd love to hear. Nintenzilla (talk) 16:22, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

Pretty sure this kind of discussion is more suited to the forum (which even has a thread about Shovel Knight) than to a talk page. -Menshay (talk) 16:39, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

This conversation has long ceased to be on topic. Please try to stay focused on the point of a talk page: discussing the article at hand. We have a section relating to the Shovel Knight rumor because of its high amount of press time and the fact that there being a Shovel Knight amiibo was true. Barring any further developments related to this rumor, I don't see much reason to keep discussing it here. Use the forums where appropriate. Miles (talk) 13:08, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Uh, Miles, I just moved that conversation to it's own section, it's not here anymore. Nintenzilla (talk) 13:21, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

So...

I was scrolling through Facebook, and I stumbled upon this. I read it a little, and there seem to be actual sources to back this one up. Discuss. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 18:42, 31 August 2015 (EDT)

It's just three minor rumors reported in the same article. Not notable. Miles (talk) 18:45, 31 August 2015 (EDT)

Never said it was. Just throwing it out there. *crosses fingers for Layton* Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 18:46, 31 August 2015 (EDT)

PAX is almost up, idk about K. Rool, Layton VA was likely jokingly playing along with misinformation Smashedpotatoes (talk) 18:59, 31 August 2015 (EDT)

Shovel Knight's back and badder than ever

Idk, some people say it's obviously fake but they don't actually say why... It's kind of widespread, kind of, but to me it feels like the ESRB leak, so... [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] 10:40, 22 September 2015 (EDT)

Dededenied. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 10:42, 22 September 2015 (EDT)

I saw that, but it still seems to be continuing despite that video. Not to mention just because it's fake doesn't mean it's not notable; that's kind of the point in the page. :P ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 10:45, 22 September 2015 (EDT)

Yea, I'll agree with you there. I'd personally wait on this one, though. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 10:48, 22 September 2015 (EDT)

Shot down in under a matter of hours? Definitely not notable. Miles (talk) 12:47, 22 September 2015 (EDT)

Except I've seen very few people actually acknowledging that the video exists. Although I haven't checked for a little bit, there was still a lot of debate. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 13:21, 22 September 2015 (EDT)

Nvm, no more discussion now. K. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 13:25, 22 September 2015 (EDT)

SEGA stage

Found this on Facebook. Discuss. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 18:12, 28 September 2015 (EDT)

Read the annotations. Miles (talk) 18:36, 28 September 2015 (EDT)

Can't on mobile. What do they say? Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 19:58, 28 September 2015 (EDT)

Pretty sure you can (maybe there's an arrow below the video or a "load comments" button) but just in case you can't, it says it's *legitimate*. Which means it's not Smashedpotatoes (talk) 20:05, 28 September 2015 (EDT)

Oh, the description. See, my definition of "annotations" is those colored boxes of text sometimes in the video. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 20:09, 28 September 2015 (EDT)

Oh wait. I thought that Miles used "annotations" in place of "description." The annotations actually say "I got rumbled! Unsurprisingly, this is indeed a fake by yours truly. Sorry! Full explanation of what the hell I did should be up soon." Smashedpotatoes (talk) 20:11, 28 September 2015 (EDT)

Ah. Ok then. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 20:12, 28 September 2015 (EDT)

Just found something

Now, I'm not saying anything's confimed, but...I did happen to stumble across this little gem. Discuss. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 23:08, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

Gosh I hope that's true.

And the widespreadocity of it? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 23:11, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

1. My only complaint is Bomberman. Personal preference, but still.
2. I actually don't know, I was just scrolling through Facebook and it popped up on me.

Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 23:13, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

1. Eh, Bomberman isn't my top choice overall (Inkling, Paper Mario, or Bandanna Dee are higher than him), but out of the third-party options, he's one of the best choices (maybe beaten by Rayman.)
2. Quick Google search turns up three results. So probably not.

---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 23:15, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

Personally, I think there's a different third party character that passes both Rayman and Bomberman; he's only been on Nintendo consoles (excluding one mobile spinoff that didn't actually feature Layton himself), all his fans love him and his games, he's considered Level-5's most successful franchise, and frankly, he'd fit right in with the rest of the quirky and fun roster. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 23:18, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

I'd love for him to be added. But Rayman and Bomberman are more realistic choices at least IMO. Also, according to most polls, they're higher on the ballot.

We're getting kind of off-topic though :P ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 23:20, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

My two cents, considering how non-widespread it is, let's not add it. If K. Rool or Bomberman gets revealed, then it may be worth mentioning. (Wolf has been in almost every "leak" though, so I wouldn't put it on the page if only he gets announced) Laikue (talk | contribs) 03:15, 3 October 2015 (EDT)

I would say it needs mentioned if all three get added or it suddenly goes viral. All three are relatively highly requested (particularly Wolf and Rool) and are logical choices for someone making a fake leak, so even if one got it we should ride it out to see who else is added. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 16:14, 7 October 2015 (EDT)

Since SOMEONE is gonna add this eventually...

http://smashboards.com/threads/k-rools-kremling-kutthroats-awaiting-news-from-nintendo-calls-tyranny-before-tomorrow.324259/page-1179#post-20266190

Is it noteworthy? Not yet. Could be, but you never know. I don't think it's worth adding just yet, but maybe it could go big. Laikue (talk | contribs) 16:08, 7 October 2015 (EDT)

Definitely interesting, but I personally wouldn't add it. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 16:11, 7 October 2015 (EDT)

I'll be watching for this on other sites. Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 16:15, 7 October 2015 (EDT)

Long time no see eh? It's from a semi-reliable source, and the character has been identified as either Inkling or Bandana Dee. Nintenzilla (talk) 11:01, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

Oh hello, it has been a while, hasn't it?

That being said, even if it's semi-reliable, that doesn't mean it's exactly right. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 11:02, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

Exactly. INoMed (Talk) 11:03, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

However both Roger and Stealth are former NOA employees, however the other leaker remains a complete mystery. Stealth has managed to leak the Splatoon event in NYC and even know details about the April 1st Nintendo Direct, and Roger has been informed about future events such as Nintendo's E3 Digital Event, so it could very well turn out true. Nintenzilla (talk) 11:17, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

So this happened Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 14:41, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

Ah yes, the character's description, which actually fits the characters described earlier. I wonder though what this means for Butt Butt, Shantae and Wolf? Could he know about them too? And it also corresponds with the information I shared earlier, it's possible. Nintenzilla (talk) 18:15, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

No see

It deconfirmed this whole thing about "an employee from NoA knowing the next DLC" Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 19:24, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

But it was never an NOA employee to begin with, it was an ex-Nintendo employee. Nintenzilla (talk) 21:24, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

And now appearently Stealth is saying he knows of a second character. Nintenzilla (talk) 10:52, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

Source? Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 10:58, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

I've been asking for it for hours, it was on a Reddit thread and I can't seem to find it. Nintenzilla (talk) 16:23, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

At this point, it's almost definitely notable enough to add IMO, but we should probably wait for other opinions. Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 16:26, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

Smashboards is flooded with this rumor, it's all over the site, everyone there is going crazy over it, I say yes. Nintenzilla (talk) 14:36, 16 October 2015 (EDT)

And now we know apparently that the character has appeared on the Wii U and is either Inklings, Bandana Dee, Dixie, or Captain Toad. Nintenzilla (talk) 13:47, 19 October 2015 (EDT)

Source on that? Laikue (talk | contribs) 17:36, 19 October 2015 (EDT)

A Tweet from the Splatoon data miner, Nikki. Nintenzilla (talk) 09:57, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

I think Laikue was asking for the tweet itself... Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 10:02, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

I don't have it, the Tweet was deleted. :/ Nintenzilla (talk) 12:41, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

Someone apparently said that he was told there would be a Splatoon direct on Friday with a "SMASHING" announcement at the end, but the way he phrased it implied that he has started to doubt his source. So... ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 12:43, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

I think the ugly truth is starting to reveal itself. Nintenzilla (talk) 08:59, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

And so another rumor is left in the dust. Nintenzilla (talk) 11:10, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

I mean technically speaking they have done directs on shorter notice before. But it's looking pretty unlikely. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 11:15, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Yes, but that was usually at the very least, a day in advance, they have less than a few hours to announce this assuming it's real, which I highly doubt is the case. Nintenzilla (talk) 13:33, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Not true. They had an prE3 mini direct that wasn't announced at all, it just happened. It confirmed M&SRio2016, Dr. Mario Miracle Cure, something about Chibi-Robo Zip-Lash! (maybe the game in general i can't remember), etc. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 13:34, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Forgot about that entirely, point taken. Actually, wasn't the Japanese version announced before the Western version? Nintenzilla (talk) 13:38, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

There was a normal Japanese direct the day prior which had even more information; most people expected it to be announced at E3.

But that's irrelevant, because the rumor is definitely dead by now. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 19:27, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Should we add it, it was pretty big. Nintenzilla (talk) 13:22, 24 October 2015 (EDT)

Shovel Knight

[13] Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 00:00, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

The US amiibo site has some issues right now; the Chibi-Robo amiibo page also says it works with SSBU. I think they're having trouble with accuracy, and this isn't a sign of anything significant. Miles (talk) 00:33, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

also Miles (talk) 00:35, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

Is Shantae coming to Smash!?

First off, I'm having trouble finding the link for this, so if anyone has it, it would be great if you could post it. About a week ago a picture was posted onto Twitter by Wayforward's director of him with Sakurai, while at first it was thought to be a con, it was later found out through tracking that the photo was taken in California at Wayforward headquarters, and Sakurai visited them the same day. He did the same thing with Monolith Soft and Platnum Games to get the rights to their characters, so it's possible that he went to Wayforward to get the rights to Shantae. Thoughts on this matter? Nintenzilla (talk) 13:07, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

Good news, I've found the source. https://twitter.com/JamesPopStar/status/650072302378315776 Nintenzilla (talk) 10:01, 14 October 2015 (EDT)

Huh, definitely raises an eyebrow.64.251.53.34 13:24, 14 October 2015 (EDT)

guys Miles (talk) 13:29, 14 October 2015 (EDT)

Do remember that there are NDAs, he wouldn't just go and say "HEY EVERYONE SHANTAE'S IN SMASH!!!", if he did he'd be taking a VERY big risk. Nintenzilla (talk) 13:40, 14 October 2015 (EDT)

NDAs stand for Non-Disclosure Agreements, in case someone didn't know. Nintenzilla (talk) 13:53, 14 October 2015 (EDT)

Obviously NDAs are possible, but he could just as easily have not replied to that comment at all instead of saying "I know nothing about the ballot". At any rate, it's not enough to be noteworthy unless something else comes of it. Miles (talk) 13:57, 14 October 2015 (EDT)

It is good to be vocal, as it gives people a good image of yourself. Nintenzilla (talk) 14:00, 14 October 2015 (EDT)

Inklings

A wild leak appeared! Go Discussion! Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 12:26, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

Go INoMed! INoMed used Talk! Haven't checked that yet, just gonna do that. It's super effective! Discussion fainted. Go Discussion! xD INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 12:31, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

Check the res of the bottom pic. It looks like 3ds, so res should be 400x240 at max. Same with top, though I can't tell which version. DekZek, The creature of your nightmares 12:33, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

I'm saying this is fake. The splash screen is just weird and the Inkling looks like plastic; also, how would they get their hands on it? The pics are 3DS version, which doesn't have movies, so... ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 12:36, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

And it appears to be on Bridge of Eldin, which is a Wii U exclusive stage, with 3DS graphics. Yeah, fake. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 12:37, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

Who's to say it won't appear at all? Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 12:41, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

Also, those are clearly Wii U graphics. Take a look at Fox. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 12:42, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

Just checked... looks fake, but convincing. INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 12:43, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

(edit conflict) In that case, the font and Inkling model are inexcusably low quality. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 12:45, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

Oh, not to mention it uses the splash screen text that was used by Smashified (albeit singular). Which I guess isn't entirely impossible, but highly unlikely. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 12:46, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

Yea, I noticed that, but Smashified had both Inklings. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 12:48, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

(reset indent) Yeah, this is one of those small-time rumors that look like dung. Unless this inexplicably goes big, we shouldn't add it. Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 13:01, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

It looks legitimate to me. I see Wii U graphics taken with a very low quality camera. I've had similar situations with my phone.

That aside, I agree; I just thought it would be something to bring up here. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 13:04, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

As long as we're on the same page in terms of whether or not to add it to the mainspace, it's fine. Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 13:07, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

If you look closely at Inkling on the credits roll, you'll see that the jumping animation is the exact same as the Mii Gunner. However this wouldn't be the first time a character would share animations with another character, Lucas shares various animations with Ness, and Roy shares various animations with Robin. Still I say fake, plus the font on the Inkling's splash screen is off. Nintenzilla (talk) 16:28, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

Okay, it was most likely made in a 3D editing software and then digitally edited to look like the trailer for Inkling. It doesn't even look that good tbh. Nintenzilla (talk) 14:29, 16 October 2015 (EDT)

It is a rumor, sure, but the picture is a definite fake. Always check the fonts first; it's the most obvious thing fake leakers usually get wrong. And here it doesn't match; most visibly, the "g" in "Inkling" doesn't match the lowercase "g" of any other "Character joins the battle" splash screen (which all have used the same font so far). --131.107.147.30 14:40, 16 October 2015 (EDT)

SEGA Stages

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JsyH0LcHio Jf811 (talk) 13:34, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

#SEGA stage Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 13:43, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

Sorry Aidan, this was debunked about a few weeks ago. There's even a behind the scenes video on the exact same channel. Nintenzilla (talk) 16:29, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

Almost, entirely, definitely, FAKE, but...

So... Ridley? http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/72659894 Nintenzilla (talk) 09:02, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

Instincts say it's fake; there's Wolf, K. Rool, and Ridley. Not to mention, the Inklings as well.

Also, the readdition of Poké Floats makes me really skeptical. I mean, come the fuck on, who actually liked that stage? Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 09:12, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

...me :(

Anyhow, I'd say this is definitely fake. Ridley isn't all that popular from the ballot according to polls and Sakurai already knows how popular he is and still says so. Just doesn't make sense. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 10:28, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

I wouldn't keep an eye on this, for one there's Ridley, and the only veteran left would be... Pichu. #TEAMFAKE Nintenzilla (talk) 12:46, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

Shittons of people legitimately love Pokefloats, and a few even want that damn stage to be tournament legal. I love Pokefloats as well. As for this rumor, it's very highly likely that it's fake. But... You never know. I wouldn't put any money on it, but I wouldn't throw it in the shredder either. Laikue (talk | contribs) 14:04, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

However, I see no reason way Sakurai would add Ridley after everything that's happened in regards to him. Not to mention, there's also no reason to bring Pichu back, for one he's very weak, and for another he didn't even make the cut as DATA in Brawl. Nintenzilla (talk) 14:38, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

Snake, Ice Climbers, Ivysaur, Squirtle, Young Link, and Pichu. Also, again, the leak is probably fake, but it's always a good idea to keep these things on file, in case they actually do come through. Laikue (talk | contribs) 14:56, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

Yeah, I feel for certain it's fake. Sakurai himself said Ridley was too big, but we'll see. Disaster Flare (talk) 15:09, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

Shovel Knight Video Leak?

Not saying anything, but I think I may've stumbled upon... Video footage??? Nintenzilla (talk) 11:31, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

I'm dead serious. Nintenzilla (talk) 11:46, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Don't just stand there, link us to it. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 11:50, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Here it is,

https://youtu.be/TlPGwP9PYBg

Appearently the person got the "six slots" correct, and not only that, Shovel Knight has a completely new render, as Google image search weilds no results, I looked all over it, and it's brand spanking new. He also states that Bomberman, Maxwell from Scribblenauts, Shantae, King K. Rool, and Waddle Dee are all being considered, so assuming that there's no problems (And if this is real) this is what I assume the final roster would be. Now that's not to assume we could, at the very least, get two more characters to balance things out. If SK really is finished, then they're probably holding him back to focus on other content and balancing first, or are waiting to release him with another character. Take this all however with a grain of salt. Nintenzilla (talk) 11:58, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Oh, and he states that they're trying to get the rights to Bomberman first. Nintenzilla (talk) 11:59, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

I don't believe it; there have been videos of the roster that were higher-quality than that (it starts with sma and ends with shified). Also, Maxwell and Bomberman have basically no votes according to most polls. They aren't getting in "due to their high votes on the Smash Bros. Fighter Ballot". ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 12:01, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Smashified was based on the Wii U version's css, not the 3DS version. Also, Maxwell seems like such a Sakurai pick, Bomberman is pretty popular, but tends to be overshadowed by Snake. Also, this is a new render and he did guess that there'd be up to six characters, just like what that Reddit user found. Still, I'm very salty about this, I'm not going to jump the gun yet. We have a few weeks until the whole rumor is completely dead. I'd say until about the 15th of November. Nintenzilla (talk) 12:09, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Oh, and assuming this is real, then it's possible that the quality is resulted from a glitch involving transfering footage, just going to put that out there. Nintenzilla (talk) 12:13, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Is it real, I can't say I know for sure, we should just wait until official confirmation. Nintenzilla (talk) 12:19, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

But I'll side with,"It's fake" until something happens. Nintenzilla (talk) 12:22, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

1. I have doubts regarding Maxwell and Bomberman.
2. Seeing how close the camera is to the screen, I can understand why it'd be low quality; that, and low quality cameras exist.

Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 12:24, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Tbh, I don't see Maxwell as that strange of a choice, his games have sold really well, he has endless moveset potential involving his magical book, and his games have all been (Not counting PC and moble ports) Nintendo exclusive. So he doesn't seem that odd imo. Nintenzilla (talk) 12:34, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Oh, and did I mention that the Japanese version of the game has Solid Snake in the game? Nintenzilla (talk) 12:49, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

...What? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 12:50, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Yep, the Japanese version of Scribblenauts, has Solid Snake, in the game. I can not make this **** up. Nintenzilla (talk) 12:55, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Both games were made by Konami, so... Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 12:57, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

So we have two Konami characters? (Poor Snake) And Capcom published Shantae in Japan, so... Nintenzilla (talk) 13:03, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

To me this seems easier to fake than the Rayman leak, which was actually slightly higher quality than this. At least that one was believable. Look at Shovel Knight's pose and see that it resembles his amiibo pose. This isn't even close to believable. 75.141.57.33 11:27, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

His pose is similar, but the art is clearly new, don't insult other people's intelligence just because of what you think. Nintenzilla (talk) 12:01, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

I mean it's not of the best quality, at all, but it could lead to something, not saying it will, but it's possible. Nintenzilla (talk) 12:03, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

A mostly still image points to nothing except for faking when you look at the 3DS screen with all DLC characters, adding another should change the size, but it's the same. 75.141.57.33 20:37, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

Actually, that's not true, someone on Reddit found that the size would stay the same. And the difference between this and others is that this one has an original render. Nintenzilla (talk) 11:41, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

It's impossible for the size to stay the same. There's no room left. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 11:53, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

Apparently not, someone found on the CSS that there's room for six more characters, and all he had to do is shave off 4 pixels. Take a look, https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/3oyjtf/the_smash_3ds_character_select_screen_can_fit/. Nintenzilla (talk) 13:28, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

Getting back on topic...

According to this video's description:

“	EDIT (9/23/15): Bomberman is the most likely to get in to Super Smash Bros. right now according to my buddy, apparently Sora and Nintendo are trying to get the rights from Konami. shovel knight super smash dlc.mp4 Shovel Knight's development has been finished. Bomberman, Maxwell Scribblenaut, Shantae, K Rool and Waddle Dee are being considered due to their high votes on the Smash Bros. Fighter Ballot according to someone I know. Please note that I did NOT capture this footage and originally know this information, my buddy did, then sent it to me.	”
—Whoever made the video

Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 13:30, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Not only is the leak of negligible credibility (panning a camera over a static CSS?), there's been zero coverage. Not notable. Miles (talk) 14:21, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Then again, the render has never been seen before, I tried looking for it on Google Image search and got no matches. Nintenzilla (talk) 14:24, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

After Artsy Omni's Rayman, that's not really credible proof of anything. Miles (talk) 14:27, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

If we at least saw a behind the scenes video of it, then that'd be good. Not to mention, the person would've only had 14 days to make the render as the upload date suggests. Omni did it in 3 weeks. Also, this was made before it was found out that there was room for six characters. Nintenzilla (talk) 14:32, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

All said though, I say fake until proven otherwise. Nintenzilla (talk) 14:34, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

(Reset indent) Arsty Omni's render of Shovel Knight was notably different than the one shown in the video. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 15:18, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

I'm not saying Artsy Omni made the Shovel Knight icon seen here; I'm saying that "we've never seen this render before!!!!" is not proof of anything. Miles (talk) 16:12, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Hey, that wasn't the way he said it at all. 68.193.184.227 16:21, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

What he said was right Miles, that was rude. Nintenzilla (talk) 16:24, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

...No it kind of wasn't. At all. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 16:27, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Yes it was, what he did was an unnecessarily exaggerated version of what I said, and imo, it came off as somewhat rude. Nintenzilla (talk) 16:32, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

But we're getting off-topic. Again. Nintenzilla (talk) 16:37, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

One thing that strikes me as odd, isn't there usually small lines on a 3DS screen? Nintenzilla (talk) 19:45, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

The lines are there, but I don't think this leak deserves a mention anyway, having under 1,000 views. Nyargleblargle Let's go Mets! (Talk · Contribs) 19:53, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Call me crazy (Shovel Knight spent too much time in the video's margin for me to get a clear look), but isn't that the same artwork/pose that his amiibo uses? Phineas81707 (talk) 01:40, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

Seems likely; there are some changes (helmet hole shorter, no hand over horn on the left), but with such a low quality editing artifacts are likely to be unnoticeable, I guess. Also, "someone I know" sounds way too fishy for this to be believable. -Menshay (talk) 07:05, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

Yes, the whole "my father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate works at Nintendo" joke makes these "leaks" a little skeptical... (Bonus points to whoever can name the reference I made) Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 08:20, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

Still, it's just a rumor, and should be taken as such. Nintenzilla (talk) 08:46, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

Also, this was a similar case with the Nikka/Vanrose leak (Although this has video footage). Nintenzilla (talk) 09:57, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

The Shovel Knight Rumor's Legitimacy

YGC has stated several times it's not going to happen on various occasions, and people continue to believe it's still happening, after doing extensive research I found that they said that the listing for the Amiibo on the Spanish site was an error, and what I believe they were referring to was the fact that the Amiibo was listed as a "Smash" Amiibo, rather then in his own series. And even more damaging to the rumor's credibility is that they wouldn't be aloud to hint, speak, or do even refer to it if it was happening due to an NDA being involved. All of this evidence heavily suggests that the rumor is indeed false. Nintenzilla (talk) 09:16, 11 November 2015 (EST)

YGC said the amiibo was a fake. And it wasn't. Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 09:25, 11 November 2015 (EST)

So why lie? Nintenzilla (talk) 09:25, 11 November 2015 (EST)

I dunno, maybe they don't want information to be leaked? Like any good company would? Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 09:26, 11 November 2015 (EST)

I recognise your name from the leak thread on Smashboards, you should know by now that whatever YCG states is completely irrelevant to the rumor's legitimacy. Omega Tyrant 09:29, 11 November 2015 (EST)

Huh, I guess, but aren't there legal issues involved? Like referring to this could possibly be violating an NDA. Nintenzilla (talk) 09:32, 11 November 2015 (EST)

And NDAs are the exact reason why anything YCG says is unsubstantial. Omega Tyrant 09:37, 11 November 2015 (EST)

Remember though, Xander Moubis wasn't aloud to say anything at all about him being the announcer, while YGC has said numerous things. Even during the fake Rayman leak he didn't say a thing. Nintenzilla (talk) 10:16, 11 November 2015 (EST)

It doesn't matter who says what. If it's unofficial, anyone can say what they want. If it's official, then the opposite occurs. Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 10:18, 11 November 2015 (EST)

I CALLED IT!!! (FUCKING CLOUD THO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)Nintenzilla (talk) 17:48, 12 November 2015 (EST)

It's not deconfirmed yet. Less likely, though. Laikue (talk | contribs) 17:50, 12 November 2015 (EST)

Actually, it is, Tamaki said early November, meaning that he'd have to've been announced in between now and three days, and considering the next Smash announcement is in December, it's clearly not happening. Nintenzilla (talk) 17:54, 12 November 2015 (EST)

Even still, plans change. He's most likely to be revealed as a ballot winner if anything. Laikue (talk | contribs) 18:06, 12 November 2015 (EST)

Never released in Japan, hasn't broke 100K units, only been out for a year and the ballot's a suggestion box, not a poll. 68.193.184.227 20:46, 12 November 2015 (EST)

Oh dear...

Should we mention this theory?

https://youtu.be/6v_MdaIHOtk?t=2m43s

People are thinking that the colors in the words may mean something, as in future characters, should we mention it in the article?

(The colors used, Yellow and Green, Blue and Orange, Purple and Red)

It seems to be a widespread theory, but I'll leave it up to you guys to decide.

64.251.53.34 13:51, 7 December 2015 (EST)

Doesn't seem notable to me, no. Serpent King 14:03, 7 December 2015 (EST)

Just bringing it up

Doesn't seem widespread yet, somewhat disproven (but kind of on an ESRB leak scale), but here it is just in case: http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/320037569/super-smash-bros-for-wii-u-leaks ---Preceding unsigned comment added by SANTY CLAWS! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 19:34, 13 December 2015 (EST)

The obviously fake Ravio video has received more attention than this. I don't think it should be on the page if fake. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 19:40, 13 December 2015 (EST)

Man, how I wish this were true. Smashedpotatoes (Talk) 19:45, 13 December 2015 (EST)

The last picture with Wolf has some shading issues, these things aren't too hard to fake. I wouldn't put too much stock into it... Like at all. Nintenzilla (talk) 11:24, 14 December 2015 (EST)

Also what really debunks this is that the Paper Mario stage is ripped straight from the 3DS version, so yeah. Nintenzilla (talk) 11:28, 14 December 2015 (EST)

I've taken the time to take a good look at this leak myself.

1. Wolf's picture does have a shadow, but it's barely noticable.
2. The render for Paper Mario (the stage) has terrible lighting, and I don't think it's legitimate.
3. In the image with Wolf, Paper Mario, and Mega Man, there's a shadow behind all three images, despite there being no "Ready to Fight!" option (something not seen in the actual game).

Aidan, the Jolly Space Warrior 11:53, 14 December 2015 (EST)

Also about Paper Mario, he was probably chosen due to how easy he would be to fake, notice the simple shapes and similarities to previous artwork, mainly from this picture,

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjYscmV7NvJAhXGHT4KHfvkBa8QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-nextlevel.com%2Fmedia%2Fscreens%2Fgcn%2Fpaper-mario-the-thousand-year-door%2F&psig=AFQjCNH3QCuqVvDYehQH1CsarWC6f-5JaQ&ust=1450199459420387 Not to mention, due to the scale of Xenoblade Chronicles X, a stage would be extremely easy to fake, just take a snapshot, photoshop the characters out of it, and bingo, "LEAK". Not to mention that the image for Midgar was taken from a previous screenshot shown along with Cloud's reveal. Wolf was also probably made based off of a fanmade image using his Brawl model, but was heavily photoshopped to look like his appearance in SFZ. And finally the shading on the lines on the CSS are thinner compared to how they previously were. With all this in mind, it's pretty much fake, although the amount of detail is impressive, these things are easy to fake if enough time is taken. Stay away from leaks kids. Nintenzilla (talk) 12:18, 14 December 2015 (EST)

And that's how the cookie crumbles, it's been confirmed fake by the OP, who was involved with the Dr. Mario leak. Nintenzilla (talk) 12:22, 14 December 2015 (EST)

(Reset indent) I knew it was a fake... Aidan, the Jolly Space Warrior 12:23, 14 December 2015 (EST)

So did I (And I'm sure most of us here) but I feel it's good to be on the same page. Also there was no One Winged Angel. Nintenzilla (talk) 12:45, 14 December 2015 (EST)

Cleaning out the page

Okay, I'm about to get started on cleaning this page out to be only notable rumors, so I'm going to ask for the community's opinions on the rumors I'm unsure about:

Lucas replacing Ness: Given that this was officially confirmed, do we really need it listed here?

Radio interview: Quick google search gives no results except SmashWiki- keeping in mind that this is old and Google might have just bumped out all of the results, can someone who was around the fandom during Brawl confirm whether or not this was widespread?

Clone removal: Kind of a combination of the two above. Also, removal of clones was assumed a lot during Smash 4's production too, and most people will probably expect it in Sma5h. Everyone seems to assume they're being removed no matter what, so I don't know how notable this really is.

Third third-party: Not actually planning on removing the section itself, but can it be shortened and the subsections removed and replaced with a single sentence reading "Mega Man, Geno, Leon S. Kennedy, and a second Sonic the Hedgehog character were all brought up as possibilities", maybe with a couple extra notes on the ones that had high amounts of evidence backing them up like Leon?

Namco worker: I've heard about all of the SSB4 rumors except this one (and Lucina, see below for it though), so I'm a little doubtful on it. Was it really widespread?

Lucina rumor: I know that it's been covered this one wasn't widespread and is only being kept because it showed how high-tech rumors can be, but given that Omni's Rayman was more widespread and covers the same thing, can we remove it now?

Please respond ASAP so I can get this cleanup started! ---Preceding unsigned comment added by SANTY CLAWS! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 19:56, 23 December 2015 (EST)

Personally, I don't think we should have this page at all. It's more trouble than it's worth, but since I know I won't be convincing anyone: I would say that Lucas replacing Ness, clone removal, and Lucina rumor should go. I don't know anything about a the radio interview one. Namco should stay though. Serpent King 20:04, 23 December 2015 (EST)

If we delete it I'll probably just userspace it for my own benefit. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by SANTY CLAWS! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 20:59, 23 December 2015 (EST)

IMO we should keep it, but trim it to only the ones that really received major coverage (e.g. Artsy Omni's Rayman). A lot of this page is extraneous. Miles (talk) 21:01, 23 December 2015 (EST)

That's what I'm trying to help with. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by SANTY CLAWS! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 21:09, 23 December 2015 (EST)

The rumor of Lucas replacing Ness was only confirmed for Melee AFAIK and is still well-known even today. The others should go IMO. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 22:28, 23 December 2015 (EST)

It's kind of hard for Lucas to replace Ness when they're both in the other 2 games though (the rumor, as I recall, did not originate until Melee, so SSB is not relevant here). Serpent King 22:32, 23 December 2015 (EST)

I mean in references to the pre-Brawl days. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 22:35, 23 December 2015 (EST)

Right now it's only listed as a Melee rumor with a small mention of how some people overreacted to the lack of Ness confirmation during Brawl. I'm not sure that type of overreaction makes it worth keeping- it's kind of like the "no more clones" thing. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by SANTY CLAWS! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 22:48, 23 December 2015 (EST)

Bump. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 13:17, 30 December 2015 (EST)

If no one else has anything to say, I'll be removing these rumors (except maybe the radio interview and Namco) sometime later today. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 13:19, 4 January 2016 (EST)

I wouldn't be so hasty in removing them. The majority of rumors in question were all pretty widespread back in the day. Before Brawl's release, I do particularly remember lots of people claiming that Sakurai was cutting all the clones from the roster (They even referenced this in the old Flash series Smash Kingdom), and I remember hearing about the radio interview back in the day. Personally, what I think is best for the page would be to condense all the "third third-party" sections into one section with sub-points, and remove the Lucina rumor. The Lucina rumor wasn't widespread at all, and Smash Wiki was the only place I ever saw it covered. ChuckNorris  14:23, 4 January 2016 (EST)

My biggest problem with the removal of clones is that it doesn't have anything to back it up like most of the other rumors - it isn't pictures or interviews or anything, it's just false assumptions. It doesn't really fit it, and people will always claim that clones will be removed (if the fact that it happened again for Smash 4 is enough evidence). ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 21:19, 8 January 2016 (EST)

The sooner that this cleanout gets done, the better. This talk page needs to be archived soon and we can't do that until this topic resolves. Disaster Flare (talk) 18:55, 25 January 2016 (EST)