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|<span style="font-size:125%">'''NOTE:'''</span> '''Suggestions are ''closed'''''.<br>You may continue to vote on open suggestions, but no new ones are allowed.
|<span style="font-size:125%">'''NOTE:'''</span> '''Suggestions are ''closed'''''.<br>You may continue to vote on open suggestions, but no new ones are allowed.
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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:Smash Arena|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.
This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:Smash Arena|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.
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===Posting suggestions===
===Posting suggestions===
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
**Outside very specific circumstances, no fights are allowed between combatants that only appear in a game (or a batch of downloadable content) that has yet to be released.
*If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
*If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
*[[SmashWiki:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred '''100 or more rounds ago'''. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
*[[SmashWiki:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred '''100 or more rounds ago'''. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
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*Place new suggestions at '''the bottom''' of the page.
*Place new suggestions at '''the bottom''' of the page.
*You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
*You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
*Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine; just don't replace, add, or remove combatants.
**If your suggestion is removed because it's invalid or because your week isn't up, it doesn't count as your suggestion for that week. That said, users who constantly post invalid or rapid-fire suggestions may be suspended from suggesting for a few weeks, and may risk [[SW:PROB|probation]].
*Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.


===Voting and comments===
===Voting and comments===
*Don't vote for your own suggestion.
*Don't vote on your own suggestion.
*Post '''why''' you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
*Post '''why''' you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
*The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
*The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
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*In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
*In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
*Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
*Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
*Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary. Fights of more than three participants have to be exceptional in order to be selected, and will likely be reserved for special rounds, so don't try too hard to make one work.
*While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
*Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
*The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.
*The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.


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When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.
When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.


The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.
The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue attempts to balance out fights so that specific participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.


The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.
The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.
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=Suggestions=
=Suggestions=


==[[Landmaster|Landmaster (Fox)]] vs. [[Landmaster|Landmaster (Falco)]] vs. [[Landmaster|Landmaster (Wolf)]]==
==[[Rosalina]] vs. [[Bowser Jr.]]==


Three Landmasters from different character of ''star fox'' fight together to find which final smash is the best. [[User:Stranger1260|<font style="color:blue;font-family:times new roman">'''Stranger</font>]] [[User talk:Stranger1260|<font style="color:green;font-family:times new roman">'''1260'''</font>]] [[File:Master_Ball.png|20px]] 06:03, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
Two of the newest characters from the ''Mario'' universe makes it into ''SSB4''. Both have chargeable projectiles which stop dead upon hit. Who will rule 21st century ''Mario''? [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  22:00, 9 December 2017 (EST)


===Support===
===Support===
#I support this. They all are similar with differences. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 13:05, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
I think it has an interesting idea behind it. It has my vote! [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 15:41, 22 March 2018 (EDT)
#Toast is wrong, I definitely prefer Falco's over the others, and Fox's is easily the worst. If they were "too similar to write a vote in favor for", how can this be? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:49, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
 
#This would be a very good match. <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]])</sup> 14:28, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
Sounds like fun! Let's try it! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 07:33, 23 March 2018 (EDT)
# I would like to see how this does. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:green">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;">''Cinco de Smash''</font>]]  21:38, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
 
#Since I previously suggested this one before and failed. I would like to have this match make a comeback. Don't say that the stuff I say are completely invalid, as I might actually be creative despite being autistic. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 23:01, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
I agree with Crazy Rhino. It's interesting. Why not. Blueflame105
#Could work, I suppose. --- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]][[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 18:27, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
 
#Its ok Ikeroks 20:34, 4 June 2012 (EDT)
Kind of an obvious one. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)


===Oppose===
===Oppose===
#This was suggested before, and it was unanimously opposed. This is because these moves are simply too similar to write a vote in the favour of one Landmaster over another. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 13:46, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
#Per Toast. '''[[User:DarkFox01|<font color="black">Dark</font>]][[User talk:DarkFox01|<font color="darkred">Fox</font>]][[Special:Contributions/DarkFox01|<font color="red">01</font>]]''' 16:00, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
# The Cheese says I agree with Toast. [[Special:Contributions/75.31.4.16|75.31.4.16]] 12:38, 31 May 2012 (EDT) The Cheese
#It sucks--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 09:44, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#What that IP said agreeing with DarkFox, which in turn was a concurrence with Toast. '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 16:33, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#No, no, no.[[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 05:08, 4 June 2012 (EDT)
#What the opposition section mentions. [[User:F1reBurn1ng|F1reBurn1ng]] ([[User talk:F1reBurn1ng|talk]]) 19:30, 5 June 2012 (EDT)


===Comments===
===Comments===
You try to do my failed suggestion again. I question why it is getting slightly more support this time. :P [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 16:31, 27 May 2012 (EDT)


How about adding a archive about suggestions so that we look at failed suggestions so that we don't suggest it one more time?[[User:Stranger1260|<font style="color:blue;font-family:times new roman">'''Stranger</font>]] [[User talk:Stranger1260|<font style="color:green;font-family:times new roman">'''1260'''</font>]] [[File:Master_Ball.png|20px]] 05:49, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
==[[Bowser]] vs. [[Bowser Jr.]]==
:Failed suggestions should have second chances, as long as they're relatively far apart. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Superlative 23:23, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
It's the battle of the Koopas! The Koopa King and the Koopa Prince are a royal duo. Who will rule this Koopa brawl between two ''Mario'' universe enemies? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 07:49, 23 March 2018 (EDT)
::I just want to know what has been suggested before, not that we will not suggest it anymore. I also want to know why they failed so we can improve. [[User:Stranger1260|<font style="color:blue;font-family:times new roman">'''Stranger</font>]] [[User talk:Stranger1260|<font style="color:green;font-family:times new roman">'''1260'''</font>]] [[File:Master_Ball.png|20px]] 06:03, 31 May 2012 (EDT)


My suggestion is doing a lot more better than last time. I still question why though. Maybe I didn't explain it too well the last time but this resurggestion seems like its the same description and its now not immensely opposed unlike last time. Maybe I don't explain things too well and this one did explain well. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 15:28, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
===Support===
:I think the issue with the first time that this fight was proposed was that you personally mentioned that it was a bad idea in the suggestion and opposed it yourself, as seen [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Forum:Suggestions&oldid=396641#Landmaster_.28Fox.29_vs._Landmaster_.28Falco.29_vs._Landmaster_.28Wolf.29 here]. I would recommend that you have more faith in yourself when you suggest a fight. [[User:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">Mousehunter321</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">talk</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">contributions</font>]])</small> 15:45, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
It would be en epic koopa battle. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  19:59, 9 May 2018 (EDT)
 
== [[Meta Knight (SSBB)|Meta Knight]] vs. [[Shadow the Hedgehog]] ==


I can see this happening. While I guess Kirby and Sonic are a little different, Meta Knight and Shadow are very similar. They're on the edgier side, they don't express their emotions much, and are also huge rivals to the heroes (Kirby and Meta Knight are TOO rivals, deal with it!). Please do this! [[Special:Contributions/98.247.37.38|98.247.37.38]] 13:42, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
Sure, why not? [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)


===Support===
===Oppose===
===Oppose===
#Except you're wrong on several accounts. Shadow shows that he gets very very very emotional when he remembers Maria. He also forgets all but one thing in every other game he appears in. In addition, Meta Knight is not Kirby's rival. MK generally tries to assist Kirby in doing what he needs to do. Just like Kirby vs Sonic, it doesn't work. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 14:35, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
I don't know. This seems kind of obvious. I don't think they're different enough. You're entitled to your opinion though. Blueflame105
#Obvious fanboy attempt to get Shadow into the Smash Arena. If you're this desperate, have a long hard think about what can fight him, because these ideas are not the best. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 14:37, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
#Sorry, but no. '''[[User:DarkFox01|<font color="black">Dark</font>]][[User talk:DarkFox01|<font color="darkred">Fox</font>]][[Special:Contributions/DarkFox01|<font color="red">01</font>]]''' 16:00, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
#All that you said there was completely false. I'm very sorry that this isn't turning out but try finding facts before proving it. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 21:20, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
#Just not an engaging concept. --- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]][[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 18:27, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#Ditto to Megatron <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 23:43, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#It sucks--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 09:44, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#What Shwido said. '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 16:33, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#It really isn't great Ikeroks 20:43, 5 June 2012 (EDT)


===Comments===
===Comments===
It's not a fanboy attempt! I'm not even a big Shadow fan! God! [[Special:Contributions/98.247.37.38|98.247.37.38]] 18:43, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
:The point is, there is no similarities. Toast did have no right to assume that you were a "fanboy" just because you suggested Shadow. But the two is are not similar. This won't get a lot of attention anyways, since they have no direct relation. Kirby vs. Meta Knight would be more appropriate and Shadow vs. Sonic has already been suggested. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:green">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;">''Cinco de Smash''</font>]]  19:20, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
::I said what I did because both of your suggestions have Sonic characters in them. I also thought it was you that really wanted Sonic vs. Shadow, bgyut turns out the IPs are different. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 19:39, 28 May 2012 (EDT)


==[[Goomba]] vs. [[Waddle Dee]]==
==[[Villager]] vs. [[Rosalina]]==


The tiny soldiers against each other. [[Special:Contributions/117.225.230.25|117.225.230.25]] 09:58, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
Both characters are fun and have a special move that can negate most projectiles (Pocket and Gravitational Pull, respectively) and are both fairly new. Both are newcomers. Who would win? What do you think? [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 16:02, 9 May 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105 3:01, March 9 2018 (American Central Time)


===Support===
===Support===
#This one has my support. ''[[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="green">123</font>]][[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]][[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="purple">Heart</font>]]'' [[file:PatheticStickFigure.jpg|20px|link=Special:Random]] 10:57, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
A great battle for me so, let's give that a try! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 12:15, 10 May 2018 (EDT)
#Awesome![[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 02:14, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
 
# The Cheese says: I would love to see this happen. [[Special:Contributions/75.31.4.16|75.31.4.16]] 12:42, 31 May 2012 (EDT) The Cheese
This is a great idea. Has my support. YoshisaurusThe9th
#No problems here. --- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]][[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 18:27, 1 June 2012 (EDT)


===Oppose===
===Oppose===
#[[Forum:Smash Arena/Archive V#Goomba vs. Waddle Dee|Sorry dude.]] [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 12:48, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
I don't really get the connection. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
#If you can't read a link, this has already been done less than 100 rounds before. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:green">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;">''Cinco de Smash''</font>]]  19:23, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
#[[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 14:18, 31 May 2012 (EDT)
#Another invalid request for a rematch. One of them lost, so what's the point? <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 23:26, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#Don't like it that much. '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 16:33, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#Per Toast.[[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 05:11, 4 June 2012 (EDT)


===Comments===
===Comments===
Actually read the link yourself LightningBlue, this matchup was done on round 25, while the Smash Arena is on Round 139. Toast posted a link as he irrationally opposes all rematches. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:25, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
:only noticed it was a recent match. I didn't give time for the page to load. Besides Toast is right. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:green">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;">''Cinco de Smash''</font>]]  19:28, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
::How can it be a recent match if this was done on round 25? And Toast isn't right about anything here. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:31, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
:::That was a tad unwieldy. Indeed I do oppose almost all rematches, just because they seem somewhat unoriginal. If a fight were to be replayed, I feel it should be a significant one, like Mario vs. Bowser, or Mewtwo vs. Lucario. This fight wasn't important enough to justify a rematch. Though the main reason behind the linking was because the user who suggested this fight seemed unaware of the fact this fight had already happened. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 05:00, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
::::If you're going to oppose based on "unoriginality", why not oppose the Flat Zone match, or all those "hero vs. villain" matches? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:50, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::They're maybe not original, but they would be fresh. A repeat match would not be fresh. And my point still stands that only a select few matches deserve a re-run. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 13:24, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::What defines "fresh"? Why is something that has been done to death "fresh", while a matchup that no one here was around to vote for isn't? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:49, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::When I say fresh, I mean that while the idea may not be the most creative, it's still something we have yet to see, and puts a fresh blob of colour on the Smash Arena. Maybe the active users of this Wiki did not vote on this fight in its former state, but they can all view it in the history. Users on this site opposed a re-run of Mario vs. Bowser, so there is no reason to re-run a comparatively insignificant fight. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 11:07, 31 May 2012 (EDT)
::How is this insignificant? Those two have a fair amount of popularity. There is no problem in repeating it. {{unsigned|LightningBlue}}
:::It's not the entrants that are insignificant, it's the fight. Mewtwo vs. Lucario answered an age-old (or 2008-old) question, and Mario vs. Bowser is the first fight we had, to use those two as examples again. Waddle Dee vs. Goomba made no major impact on anything. It was a good idea for a fight, but that doesn't make a reprisal worthwhile. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 15:35, 1 June 2012 (EDT)


==[[Screw Attack (item)]] vs. [[Screw Attack (move)]]==
==[[Koopalings|Wendy]] vs. [[Lucina]]==


They have almost the same use, just one is an item and one is a move. Which variation of Screw Attack do you like better? [[User:Kirbysuperstar|Kirbysuperstar]] ([[User talk:Kirbysuperstar|talk]]) 05:54, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
The only unlockable females in the series. One fights to repair the future, the other fights to take over the world. One is driven and kind, the other is bratty and vicious. Which one reigns supreme? [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)


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#Why not?[[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 06:00, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
A nice matchup in my favor. [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
# Interesting...[[User:Shanicpower|<font color="cadetblue">Shanic</font>]][[User talk:Shanicpower|<font color="red">'''power'''</font>]][[File:Shanicpower.png|26px]] 06:50, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#I think these two are different enough to merit a match. ''[[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="green">123</font>]][[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]][[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="purple">Heart</font>]]'' [[file:PatheticStickFigure.jpg|20px|link=Special:Random]] 17:35, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
 
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# Sorry. I do not believe this will get a lot of popularity. Since the moves are almost the same in nature, that will not be interesting to most users. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:green">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;">''Cinco de Smash''</font>]]  21:34, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
Just no. Please no. Also, Wendy isn't unlockable in for Wii U, and neither is Lucina, so that's driven entirely from the 3DS version, right? [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 12:03, 8 June 2018 (EDT) Blueflame105
#There is nothing really different about them. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 14:18, 31 May 2012 (EDT)
#''Screw'' this matchup. (I hope nobody is offended by my use of the word screw.) '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 16:33, 2 June 2012 (EDT)


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==[[Mario Finale]] vs. [[Super Sonic]]==
==[[Lakitu & Spinies]] vs. [[Hammer Bro.]]==


It's the battle between Mario's Final Smash and Sonic's Final Smash!!! [[Special:Contributions/67.68.41.205|67.68.41.205]] 22:28, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
Two [[Assist Trophies]] from the ''Mario'' series. One throws Spinies, the other throws hammers. Which one is your favorite? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)


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#Good idea...[[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 03:27, 31 May 2012 (EDT)
It's a cool idea, so I'll support this. I would definitely vote for Hammer Bro. though. I hate going up against Lakitu. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 12:04, 8 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
#Why not?[[User:Shanicpower|<font color="cadetblue">Shanic</font>]][[User talk:Shanicpower|<font color="red">'''power'''</font>]][[File:Shanicpower.png|26px]]  06:52, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#This is going to be an epic battle!!!! [[User:MarioSonic10|MarioSonic10]] ([[User talk:MarioSonic10|talk]]) 08:37, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#Awesome idea!!! [[Special:Contributions/38.116.192.97|38.116.192.97]] 15:22, 4 June 2012 (EDT)


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#[[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 14:18, 31 May 2012 (EDT)
Rematches are uninteresting in general, especially now that we're going to have 5 ''Smash'' games and now, there are more ''Mario'' based assists. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
#Feels like yet another effort to get a Nintendo/SEGA matchup in the Smash Arena, when it isn't that necessary. Besides, Mario Finale isn't the most popular of the Final Smashes >_> [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 15:31, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#Basically devolves into a Mario vs. Sonic match. --- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]][[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 18:27, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#Possibly 1-sided, <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 23:18, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#We already know who's going to win :| [[User:Avengingbandit|'''''<font color="#ff8000">Avengingbandit</font>''''']] 02:00, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#It sucks--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 09:44, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#No. Just... no. '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 16:33, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#Oppose. Not only is this a poor matchup for the reasons listed above, the same IP is voting multiple times to support this, even possibly the IP that first posted the fight. [[User:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">Mousehunter321</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">talk</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">contributions</font>]])</small> 15:51, 4 June 2012 (EDT)
 
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Not saying it couldn't happen as it was more than 100 matches ago, but discovered this same matchup with their Brawl incarnations in the archives. While I do like this matchup and fully support it, it does say you aren't likely to get a repeat unless people really want a different result or it was a tie. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 19:06, 6 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105


==[[Link]] vs. [[Snake]]==
==[[Mario Circuit (SSB4)]] vs. [[Rainbow Road]]==


The two "Mr. Utility Belts" of the Smash Universe are to face off in an attempt to out-gear the opposition. Will it be the medieval might, or the advanced annihilator? [[User:F1reBurn1ng|F1reBurn1ng]] ([[User talk:F1reBurn1ng|talk]]) 22:43, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
3, 2, 1... GO! Two stages from ''{{iw|mariowiki|Mario Kart|series}}'' battle it out in a race to the finish. One is from ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 8}}'' and ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 8 Deluxe}}'', the other is from ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 7}}''. Who will take the checkered flag in this match? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 01:10, 17 June 2018 (EDT)


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#Why not? --- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]][[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 18:27, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
Great Idea in my opinion.
[[User: CaptainDabsalot|CaptainDabsalot]] Or [[User Talk: CaptainDabsalot|The SavageCow]] 6/22/18 11:04 CST
 
[[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
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#One of the participants lost, so what's the point of a rematch? <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 23:23, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#As I have already established, I veto repeat matches. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 10:58, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#Not in the mood for a rematch either. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 15:16, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#What everyone else said. '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 16:33, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#No... Not again...[[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 02:21, 4 June 2012 (EDT)


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Note to the pedantic: This is valid because by the time it shows up it'll have been 100 rounds since its appearance as round 42. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Superlative 23:23, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
:Ok, then. Let's just turn it into some kind of rematch. 15 participants isn't enough, anyway. [[User:F1reBurn1ng|F1reBurn1ng]] ([[User talk:F1reBurn1ng|talk]]) 13:32, 31 May 2012 (EDT)


== [[Jeff Manning]] vs. [[Dean Harrington]] vs. [[Pat Cashman]] ==
==[[Daisy]] vs. [[Inkling]] vs. [[Ridley]]==
 
The first three newcomers announced for SSBU. Which noob gets the most hype? ...Wait a second... [[Forum:Smash_Arena/Archive_40#Villager_vs._Wii_Fit_Trainer_vs._Mega_Man|hasn't something like this been done before?]] [[User:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">infernape]][[User talk:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">612</span>]]</span> 20:17, 21 July 2018 (EDT)


"Who are these three people?" you may ask. Why, they are the [[announcer]]s from the three games of the series. Of course, just like essentially every other aspect found in the series, there is going to exist ''some'' kind of debate over which of the three games did a certain aspect right.
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I mean... yeah. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 20:42, 21 July 2018 (EDT)


Of course, the announcers themselves have come under scrutiny in these debates. So, Smashwikidians, which is the best announcer: the booming emcee voice of Manning, the muffled yet intense sound of Harrington, or the calm and deep tone of Cashman?
ABSOLUTELY! Ultimate looks really good. Counting down the days till December 9th..... [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 22:30, 21 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105


--- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]][[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 18:23, 1 June 2012 (EDT)  
The only time such matchup is valid. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)


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Love it! That one is going to be awesome! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 13:07, 29 July 2018 (EDT)
#Yes indeed. The announcers are commonly compared, and this would be the best way to solve any sort of debate that was ongoing. This'll also be a good way to introduce these people to all of our users. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 18:27, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#Best and most unique suggestion on here by far. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:32, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#Per OmegaTyrant. [[User:Avengingbandit|'''''<font color="#ff8000">Avengingbandit</font>''''']] 21:02, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#Counting them as audio, the match is valid. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 23:31, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#We haven't done a match with real people yet so this is pretty clever. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 15:16, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#Finally, something ORIGINAL! '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 16:33, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#I'll support; per ...... ''[[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="green">123</font>]][[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]][[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="purple">Heart</font>]]'' [[file:PatheticStickFigure.jpg|20px|link=Special:Random]] 17:35, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#Awesome idea! Never thought of including voice-overs as competitors in the Smash Arena. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 03:28, 4 June 2012 (EDT)
# The Cheese says: This would be really cool! [[Special:Contributions/75.31.4.16|75.31.4.16]] 11:15, 5 June 2012 (EDT) The Cheese


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==[[Tails]] vs. [[Knuckles]] vs. [[Silver]]==


These are the characters in the Sonic series who runs the shuttle loop in Green Hill Zone. Which of these three will win!! [[User:MarioSonic10|MarioSonic10]] ([[User talk:MarioSonic10|talk]]) 09:03, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
==[[Kirby (SSB4)|Kirby]] Vs. [[Jigglypuff (SSB4)| Jigglypuff]]==
 
Pink. Puffy. Powerful. Wait, which one am I talking about? It's pink puffball on pink puffball in this puffball brawl. Both are floaty, pink, and overall competitively useless! Both of their up specials can hinder their recoveries, but can jump a lot (maybe too much) so it's all good. It's the ULTIMATE BATTLE! What's that? You say it's not? Well then, [[Kirby]] or [[Jigglypuff]]. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 08:53, 22 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105


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#This is an awesome battle!!! [[Special:Contributions/67.68.41.205|67.68.41.205]] 09:05, 2 June 2012 (EDT)


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#It sucks--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 09:44, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
This match was already done in a lopsided result. Also I noticed that much of your contributions have been Smash Arena related and we're currently on a Red wiki status and spending to much time in the Smash Arena without contributing to the mainspace can result in an IP block (or probation if you're a registered user). [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is bad for me  18:52, 23 July 2018 (EDT)
#There isn't really much point for them. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 15:16, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
# Background characters aren't important in the Smash Arena. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:green">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;">''Cinco de Smash''</font>]]  16:05, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#Yawn. NEXT! '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 16:33, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#It's no use! ''[[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="green">123</font>]][[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]][[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="purple">Heart</font>]]'' [[file:PatheticStickFigure.jpg|20px|link=Special:Random]] 17:35, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#What Accoolx said.[[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 02:24, 4 June 2012 (EDT)
#I don't think this is a good one not to be mean but yeah Ikeroks 18:23, 4 June 2012 (EDT)


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I apologize. I was not aware of this, and will refrain from doing Smash Arena things, at least until wiki status lowers. I have been attempting tobe more helpful on the wiki, but overall, I'm not good at it. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 22:51, 25 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
==[[Cloud Strife]] Vs. [[Solid Snake]]==
While these two super soldiers are largely considered Playstation classics, they've found there way into Nintendo's big crossover. Both may take some stuff through cloning (Cloud has Zack's memories and abilities, Snake is a literal clone of Big Boss) but who comes out on top? Btw, they're both relatively mature for Nintendo titles --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 21:19, 11 August 2018 (EDT)
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I nearly removed this suggestion because I thought it involved an ''Ultimate'' character, then I found out Cloud was in ''SSB4''. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  22:42, 11 August 2018 (EDT)
They are great characters in both ''Smash 4'' and ''Ultimate'' so, let's do it! By the way, Cloud's debut game is ''Final Fantasy VII'', while ''Metal Gear Solid'' is Snake's first game. [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 15:23, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
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==[[Battlefield]] Vs. [[Big Battlefield]]==
Pretty simple idea. Battlefield vs its big bro. --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 12:05, 28 December 2018 (EST)
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Not a bad idea. <span style="color:lightblue">Everone123</span> ([[User:Everone123|userpage]] • [[User talk:Everone123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Everone123|contribs]]) 22:15, 7 January 2019 (EST)
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No contest. Big Battlefield wins (Bigger means better). Try coming up with something else. --[[User:JackyBlooo|JackyBlooo]] ([[User talk:JackyBlooo|talk]]) 08:52, 3 January 2019 (EST)
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== [[Luigi's Mansion]] vs. [[Dracula's Castle]] ==
Two locations, one being a haunted mansion in the middle of a spooky forest that is home to a green-clad  plumber, the other being a giant castle on the outskirts of Transylvania that is home to an evil vampire, both places equally spooky. --[[User:JackyBlooo|JackyBlooo]] ([[User talk:JackyBlooo|talk]]) 08:56, 3 January 2019 (EST)
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I think another fun connection is Dracula's Castle used to replace Luigi's Mansion in PM. --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 18:32, 19 January 2019 (EST)


==[[Mario Bros. Madness]] vs. [[Wario Bros.]]==
This is my kind of battle! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 18:35, 19 January 2019 (EST)


Both events match you up against the famous Mario Bros. Is the two-minute battle or the two-stock battle against them superior?
Yeah both places can be considered scary places. It would make a perfect battle. [[File:George Jones.jpg|25px]] [[User:Corrin Fan|Corrin Fan]] [[File:Walls Can Fall.jpg|25px]] 14:25, 21 January 2019 (EST)


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Seems like a fun idea. [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)
#Interesting. ''[[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="green">123</font>]][[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]][[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="purple">Heart</font>]]'' [[file:PatheticStickFigure.jpg|20px|link=Special:Random]] 17:35, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#Great! <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 10:24, 3 June 2012 (EDT)
#This seems pretty good Ikeroks 18:21, 4 June 2012 (EDT)


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Giving this a vote since the current arena seriously needs to end already. Also the PM trivia is neat.<span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 09:15, August 31, 2019 (EDT)
#This won't be really interesting.[[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 05:13, 4 June 2012 (EDT)


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==Midair stadium vs. Pokemon stadium==
==[[Bayonetta]] vs. [[Joker]]==


Two stadiums. Which one would you like to go to?[[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 03:29, 5 June 2012 (EDT)
Both are black clad, gun wielding, Sega owned (well, kinda for Joker), DLC fighters. But which one will come out on top? [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)


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* Bayonetta and Joker are extremely similar, this battle could make a difference. [[File:Derekblue1SigHead1.png|20px|link=]] [[User:Derekblue1|<span style="color:#20B2AA;">'''Derekblue1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Derekblue1|<span style="color:#20B2AA;">(talk)</span>]] [[File:Derekblue1SigHead2.png|20px|link=]] 09:54, April 15, 2020 (EDT)


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Not to be mean but i really don't like this one Ikeroks 20:45, 5 June 2012 (EDT)


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==[[Target Smash!!]] vs [[Board the Platforms]]==
==[[Mario]] vs. [[Donkey Kong]] vs. [[Pacman]]==
Courses with 10 targets/platforms that you need to destroy/land on as quickly as possible. [[Special:Contributions/199.185.67.18|199.185.67.18]] 11:07, 5 June 2012 (EDT)
 
All three are iconic fighters who were huge hits in the early 1980s, shoot projectiles, and are great at rescuing people. But things have been bubbling around Peach since Wii U, and there is only one way to settle things. Which will get the princess? [[User:Met3oR|Met3oR]] ([[User talk:Met3oR|talk]]) 22:17, April 13, 2020


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1. Don't like this one Ikeroks 20:46, 5 June 2012 (EDT)


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==[[Pikachu]] vs. [[Lucas]]==


==[[Light Arrow]] vs [[Critical Hit]]==
Both have the power of Thor. [[User:Met3oR|Met3oR]] ([[User talk:Met3oR|talk]]) 14:38, May 09, 2020
Both are fast, go in a straight line, can hit multiple targets, and are almost always KO's. But which one do you like more? --[[User:AquaKawwi|AquaKawwi]] ([[User talk:AquaKawwi|talk]]) 17:22, 5 June 2012 (EDT)


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Uh... not much of relevance to these. Since they do different things. Anyways I believe final smash ones should be relavant. Your description is a little ambiguous though. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:green">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;">''Cinco de Smash''</font>]]  20:46, 5 June 2012 (EDT)
I really don't like this one not trying to be mean but yeah Ikeroks 20:47, 5 June 2012 (EDT)


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*Quick heads up, the wiki's Smash Arena has been discontinued in favor of the Discord server's. The suggestions should go there instead. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 11:15, May 9, 2020 (EDT)

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Forums: Index → Smash Arena → Smash Arena Suggestions


An icon used in notice templates. NOTE: Smash Arena is now on our Discord. Please take your suggestions there.

This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the Smash Arena. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

Rules[edit]

Posting suggestions[edit]

  • Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
    • Outside very specific circumstances, no fights are allowed between combatants that only appear in a game (or a batch of downloadable content) that has yet to be released.
  • If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
  • Check this list to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred 100 or more rounds ago. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
  • Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post one suggestion per week (i.e. one every seven days).
  • Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with ~~~~ and a # in front of it (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with ~~~~).
  • Place new suggestions at the bottom of the page.
  • You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
    • If your suggestion is removed because it's invalid or because your week isn't up, it doesn't count as your suggestion for that week. That said, users who constantly post invalid or rapid-fire suggestions may be suspended from suggesting for a few weeks, and may risk probation.
  • Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.

Voting and comments[edit]

  • Don't vote on your own suggestion.
  • Post why you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
  • The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
  • Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
  • Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself. This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.

Acceptance or rejection[edit]

  • The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights. Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
  • Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
  • Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
    • In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
  • If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
  • Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.

Tips[edit]

  • In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
  • Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
  • While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
  • Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
  • The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.

Queue[edit]

The current queue is as such:

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Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue attempts to balance out fights so that specific participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

Show Your Support[edit]

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Template[edit]

To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts: 

==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

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Suggestions[edit]

Rosalina vs. Bowser Jr.[edit]

Two of the newest characters from the Mario universe makes it into SSB4. Both have chargeable projectiles which stop dead upon hit. Who will rule 21st century Mario? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 22:00, 9 December 2017 (EST)

Support[edit]

I think it has an interesting idea behind it. It has my vote! Crazy456Rhino (talk) 15:41, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

Sounds like fun! Let's try it! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 07:33, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

I agree with Crazy Rhino. It's interesting. Why not. Blueflame105

Kind of an obvious one. TheNuttyOne 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

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Bowser vs. Bowser Jr.[edit]

It's the battle of the Koopas! The Koopa King and the Koopa Prince are a royal duo. Who will rule this Koopa brawl between two Mario universe enemies? Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 07:49, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

It would be en epic koopa battle. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 19:59, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

Sure, why not? TheNuttyOne 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

Oppose[edit]

I don't know. This seems kind of obvious. I don't think they're different enough. You're entitled to your opinion though. Blueflame105

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Villager vs. Rosalina[edit]

Both characters are fun and have a special move that can negate most projectiles (Pocket and Gravitational Pull, respectively) and are both fairly new. Both are newcomers. Who would win? What do you think? 72.133.91.93 16:02, 9 May 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105 3:01, March 9 2018 (American Central Time)

Support[edit]

A great battle for me so, let's give that a try! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 12:15, 10 May 2018 (EDT)

This is a great idea. Has my support. YoshisaurusThe9th

Oppose[edit]

I don't really get the connection. TheNuttyOne 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

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Wendy vs. Lucina[edit]

The only unlockable females in the series. One fights to repair the future, the other fights to take over the world. One is driven and kind, the other is bratty and vicious. Which one reigns supreme? TheNuttyOne 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

A nice matchup in my favor. Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

Oppose[edit]

Just no. Please no. Also, Wendy isn't unlockable in for Wii U, and neither is Lucina, so that's driven entirely from the 3DS version, right? 72.133.91.93 12:03, 8 June 2018 (EDT) Blueflame105

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Lakitu & Spinies vs. Hammer Bro.[edit]

Two Assist Trophies from the Mario series. One throws Spinies, the other throws hammers. Which one is your favorite? Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

It's a cool idea, so I'll support this. I would definitely vote for Hammer Bro. though. I hate going up against Lakitu. 72.133.91.93 12:04, 8 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Oppose[edit]

Rematches are uninteresting in general, especially now that we're going to have 5 Smash games and now, there are more Mario based assists. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

Comments[edit]

Not saying it couldn't happen as it was more than 100 matches ago, but discovered this same matchup with their Brawl incarnations in the archives. While I do like this matchup and fully support it, it does say you aren't likely to get a repeat unless people really want a different result or it was a tie. 72.133.91.93 19:06, 6 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Mario Circuit (SSB4) vs. Rainbow Road[edit]

3, 2, 1... GO! Two stages from Mario Kart battle it out in a race to the finish. One is from Mario Kart 8 and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, the other is from Mario Kart 7. Who will take the checkered flag in this match? Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 01:10, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

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Great Idea in my opinion. CaptainDabsalot Or The SavageCow 6/22/18 11:04 CST

ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

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Daisy vs. Inkling vs. Ridley[edit]

The first three newcomers announced for SSBU. Which noob gets the most hype? ...Wait a second... hasn't something like this been done before? infernape612 20:17, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

I mean... yeah. TheNuttyOne 20:42, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

ABSOLUTELY! Ultimate looks really good. Counting down the days till December 9th..... 72.133.91.93 22:30, 21 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

The only time such matchup is valid. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

Love it! That one is going to be awesome! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 13:07, 29 July 2018 (EDT)

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Kirby Vs. Jigglypuff[edit]

Pink. Puffy. Powerful. Wait, which one am I talking about? It's pink puffball on pink puffball in this puffball brawl. Both are floaty, pink, and overall competitively useless! Both of their up specials can hinder their recoveries, but can jump a lot (maybe too much) so it's all good. It's the ULTIMATE BATTLE! What's that? You say it's not? Well then, Kirby or Jigglypuff. 72.133.91.93 08:53, 22 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

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This match was already done in a lopsided result. Also I noticed that much of your contributions have been Smash Arena related and we're currently on a Red wiki status and spending to much time in the Smash Arena without contributing to the mainspace can result in an IP block (or probation if you're a registered user). ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 18:52, 23 July 2018 (EDT)

Comments[edit]

I apologize. I was not aware of this, and will refrain from doing Smash Arena things, at least until wiki status lowers. I have been attempting tobe more helpful on the wiki, but overall, I'm not good at it. 72.133.91.93 22:51, 25 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Cloud Strife Vs. Solid Snake[edit]

While these two super soldiers are largely considered Playstation classics, they've found there way into Nintendo's big crossover. Both may take some stuff through cloning (Cloud has Zack's memories and abilities, Snake is a literal clone of Big Boss) but who comes out on top? Btw, they're both relatively mature for Nintendo titles --Myth Myth Kirby.png 21:19, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

I nearly removed this suggestion because I thought it involved an Ultimate character, then I found out Cloud was in SSB4. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 22:42, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

They are great characters in both Smash 4 and Ultimate so, let's do it! By the way, Cloud's debut game is Final Fantasy VII, while Metal Gear Solid is Snake's first game. Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 15:23, 23 August 2018 (EDT)

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Battlefield Vs. Big Battlefield[edit]

Pretty simple idea. Battlefield vs its big bro. --Myth Myth Kirby.png 12:05, 28 December 2018 (EST)

Support[edit]

Not a bad idea. Everone123 (userpage • talk • contribs) 22:15, 7 January 2019 (EST)

Oppose[edit]

No contest. Big Battlefield wins (Bigger means better). Try coming up with something else. --JackyBlooo (talk) 08:52, 3 January 2019 (EST)

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Luigi's Mansion vs. Dracula's Castle[edit]

Two locations, one being a haunted mansion in the middle of a spooky forest that is home to a green-clad plumber, the other being a giant castle on the outskirts of Transylvania that is home to an evil vampire, both places equally spooky. --JackyBlooo (talk) 08:56, 3 January 2019 (EST)

Support[edit]

I think another fun connection is Dracula's Castle used to replace Luigi's Mansion in PM. --Myth Myth Kirby.png 18:32, 19 January 2019 (EST)

This is my kind of battle! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 18:35, 19 January 2019 (EST)

Yeah both places can be considered scary places. It would make a perfect battle. George Jones.jpg Corrin Fan Walls Can Fall.jpg 14:25, 21 January 2019 (EST)

Seems like a fun idea. Crazy456Rhino (talk) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)

Giving this a vote since the current arena seriously needs to end already. Also the PM trivia is neat. Supα Toαd 64, The Best MK64ToadCSP.jpg 09:15, August 31, 2019 (EDT)

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Bayonetta vs. Joker[edit]

Both are black clad, gun wielding, Sega owned (well, kinda for Joker), DLC fighters. But which one will come out on top? Crazy456Rhino (talk) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)

Support[edit]

  • Bayonetta and Joker are extremely similar, this battle could make a difference. Derekblue1SigHead1.png Derekblue1 (talk) Derekblue1SigHead2.png 09:54, April 15, 2020 (EDT)

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Mario vs. Donkey Kong vs. Pacman[edit]

All three are iconic fighters who were huge hits in the early 1980s, shoot projectiles, and are great at rescuing people. But things have been bubbling around Peach since Wii U, and there is only one way to settle things. Which will get the princess? Met3oR (talk) 22:17, April 13, 2020

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Pikachu vs. Lucas[edit]

Both have the power of Thor. Met3oR (talk) 14:38, May 09, 2020

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  • Quick heads up, the wiki's Smash Arena has been discontinued in favor of the Discord server's. The suggestions should go there instead. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 11:15, May 9, 2020 (EDT)
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