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I propose that we use this forum page instead of using the community portal or its talk page. If anyone has any really good suggestions for alternative names for this page, please do say, because Forum:Proposals is a bit stuffy. PenguinofDeath 19:53, 20 February 2012 (EST)

Let's see if this works. LightningBlue: Need to Balance 20:24, 20 February 2012 (EST)

What's the point of this page?

I don't get what the point of this is. Historically all proposals have been on either the related talk page or as individual forums. Toomai Glittershine The Steppin' 20:36, 20 February 2012 (EST)

Actually, historically, proposals were also made on SmashWiki:Community portal or on SmashWiki talk:Community portal. But the community portal is more of a help center, so archiving it would be difficult given the amount of non-discussion material on the page, and the associated talk page shouldn't be used to discuss the wiki, it should be used to discuss the community portal itself, because that's what talk pages are for. This way, we have a dedicated wiki discussion page, like a lot of other wikis have. PenguinofDeath 09:39, 21 February 2012 (EST)

If we want a page devoted to discussing the wiki itself (which is not a bad idea, sicne it seems that [Talk:Main page] is currently being used for such), it might be better named something like "SmashWiki:Metadiscussion" or "SmashWiki:Wiki discussion". I image people would still rather have individual pages for new proposals, which could just be linked to from there if necessary. Toomai Glittershine The SMASH-GINEER 09:57, 21 February 2012 (EST)

I agree with Toomai. It is much neater and better organized to have proposals or whatnot to be on a page by page basis. If there isn't a place for a specific discussion, an entire forum page can be created for it, a better alternative than having one messy forum page with all of the discussions. Also, PoD, you mentioned that a lot of wikis have a dedicated discussion page. Look at Wikitroid's RfC page. It is much more disorganised than the way we do things here, having discussions posted on their individual talk pages or forums. DoctorPain99 _{ROLLBACKER} 12:22, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Dr. Pain: Wikitroid's RfC is objectively more organized than the way we do things on SmashWiki; are you really saying that having each proposal on a different page is more organized than having them all gathered in one place?

Toomai: I would be opposed to calling it SmashWiki:Blah because then it'd have an associated talk page, and we'd have exactly the same problem that we had with the community portal of people seeing SmashWiki:Blah and thinking "I shouldn't edit this page directly, I should leave a comment on the talk page." The current best proposal I've heard was from Shwido on IRC which was to create a subforum (like the Watercooler, Brawl talk, etc.) called "Wiki Discussions" or something like that and to have at the top of each page on the subforum a notice saying that the subforum is not to be used for frivolous discussions, only if someone has a serious proposal for the wiki. This would be fairly easy to implement. All we'd need to do is make a new subforum and make each new page on that subforum automatically have a modified version of the Forumheader template on it which would also put the forum page in the SmashWiki category. What do you think? PenguinofDeath 15:58, 21 February 2012 (EST)

But creating a subforum defeats the purpose of collecting everything in one place. That would lead to separate pages for each topic, which is what we were trying to avoid. Toomai's proposal sounds better because we wouldn't be making talk pages/the forum obsolete, but instead creating a dedicated single page for general wiki discussion that might not fit on any specific talk page or necessitate its own page in the forum. As for the "people editing the talk page" issue, can't we just protect only the talk page and redirect it to the discussion page? Mousehunter321 (talk · contributions) 16:07, 21 February 2012 (EST)

What I'm trying to avoid is having lots of wiki discussion pages in the SmashWiki namespace that all do the same thing, and which are mixed in with actual policy and guideline pages which are nothing to do with them. And the whole point of creating a subforum is to gather everything in one place... It's the best of both worlds: each proposal gets its own page, and all proposals are gathered in one place. Why would we go to the trouble of creating a SmashWiki: page, and redirecting and protecting its talk page when we can just use forum pages and avoid that problem altogether? PenguinofDeath 16:25, 21 February 2012 (EST)

I follow your thinking, but it's not like that forum pages don't have talk pages. How would using a subforum eliminate that problem? Wouldn't it create more issue with multiple talk pages? Mousehunter321 (talk · contributions) 16:32, 21 February 2012 (EST)

As I said before, when people see page in the SmashWiki namespace they think "I shouldn't edit this page directly, I should leave a comment on the talk page." but there's no such conditioned reaction towards Forum pages. Quite the opposite, in fact, as everyone knows that forum pages are for leaving comments on. PenguinofDeath 16:39, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Does anyone actualy use the subforum feature? I don't even know how. Toomai Glittershine The Incomprehensible 16:43, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Click on "Forum" in the Participate box on the left, that will take you to the subforums, then you can click on any of the subforums which'll take you to all the forums created in that subforum. The "Add new topic" box will create a new forum in that subforum.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 16:50, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Forum:Proposals proposed rename

Could we call it Forum:Discussionss? Mousehunter321 (talk · contributions) 20:57, 20 February 2012 (EST)

Yeah, thinking about it, "Proposals" is a bit misleading, as the page is more for discussing the wiki... If there are no better suggestions, and if Toomai doesn't overrule me on the existence of this page in the first place, I'll change the name this evening. PenguinofDeath 09:39, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Why can't we make it SmashWiki:name? In my opinion, titling it "Forum" makes it sound too informal. If there's a concern about people using the talk page instead of the page itself, we could just make the talk page a redirect and protect it. Current options:

• Discussion Center
• Discussions
• Proposals
• Watercooler
• Rest Area
• Final Destination

Mousehunter321 (talk · contributions) 15:32, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Updated:

• Discussion center
• Discussions
• Metadiscussion
• Wiki discussion
• Proposals
• Watercooler
• Rest Area
• Final Destination

Mousehunter321 (talk · contributions) 16:38, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Removed some bad names

• Discussion center
• Discussions
• Metadiscussion
• Wiki discussion
• Proposals
• Watercooler
• Rest Area
• Final Destination

If no one comments within 3 days, I'm moving this to Forum:Discussions. Mousehunter321 (talk · contributions) 23:03, 22 February 2012 (EST)

Wiki Discussions > Discussions. Just discussions on its own could mean practically anything. Toast ltimatum 07:43, 23 February 2012 (EST)

Yeah, Forum:Wiki Discussions sounds a lot better. PenguinofDeath 12:24, 26 February 2012 (EST)

Agree. Sounds better. ..... The Pikachu 14:09, 26 February 2012 (EST)

Ambassadorship

If you've ever been touring around other Wikis, you may have spotted that some of them have a user rights setting called 'ambassador'. As an example of what Ambassadors can do, I'm going to list the features that Icaruspedia's ambassadorship rank offers;

• Rollback
• Autopatrolled rights
• The ability to patrol other edits
• Suppress redirects

Before elaborating why I think rights like this would be useful, I'm going to diverse away for a second. Remember that RfA I made? Yeah, spur of the morning thing, had I thought over it properly, or just woken up a bit, I probably would have decided against. But my thinking behind making that RfA at the time was; "SmashWiki is my main hobby, I might as well enhance my experience of it" Now you can't become an admin just on the basis of being a good editor. But an ambassador could. Abilities such as being autopatrolled, redirect suppressing are the kinds of things that can be entrusted to any member of the community that we know can handle them (additionally, this Wiki doesn't really manage patrolling, having looked through the Log, so more users with the ability to patrol edits would be beneficial). As things stand, the only way to obtain these abilities is by becoming a full-blown admin.

Another problem with that would be that Wikis generally try to refrain from having a high amount of admins, and SmashWiki is no expection. As I said before, you can't just be rewarded with it. But with ambassadorship, there's no limit on how many users can have this right, just as we have no limit on the amount of standalone rollbackers. Becoming an admin grants a user a whole bunch of responsibility, but ambassadorship is nothing more than enhanced editing tools. The exact reason morning-me made an RfA.

Quite how ambassadorship could be earned, I do not know for sure yet. It could be earned in an RfA-style way, or simply distributed to trusted users, but that isn't the question right now. For the time being, I only need to know if anyone else would be interested in having an ambassador user rights group. Of course, we don't have to implement it in the same way as the Icaruspedia example I gave. Rollback may not have to come with it, or maybe there's some other abilities that could be granted by this.

So that's the concept, any thoughts? Toast ltimatum 19:17, 1 June 2012 (EDT)

I agree with you that we should grant greater tools to trusted users, and I see little issue with creating such a group. I also believe that the ability to view deleted content is a useful tool that would belong in this group. Mousehunter321 (talk · contributions) 00:23, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

Could you explain the difference between ambassador and administrator? Can you also tell me what auto-patrolled is? Avengingbandit 01:55, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

Ambassadors can not block users and delete/protect pages. Auto-patrolled allows you to mark an edit as patrolled, which lets other users know that someone has checked that edit. This saves time for multiple people. As for the ambassadorship, I agree with having it. MegaTron1XD 02:03, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

@Bandit You know on Game & Watch Wiki that edits that weren't made by admins have red ! Marks in front of them? That means an edit has not been patrolled. You can then patrol said edit to show that this edit has been verified. Auto-patrolled means that all of your edits are automatically patrolled. Toast ltimatum 11:53, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

Per Mousehunter. This sounds like a really good thing for trusted editors to have. Unknown the Hedgehog 22:48, 3 June 2012 (EDT)

So you're basically proposing a sort of "trusted", "janitor", or "jr. admin" group? ("Ambassador" as used by NIWA's other wikis implies that it's given for free to admins of other wikis.) If so I think you should split this into a new page, because that's relatively major. Toomai Glittershine The Hammer 23:24, 3 June 2012 (EDT)

First we have to come up with some sort of name for it. Other Wikis, namely Wikitroid, call this user right "Patroller". Would that name be appropriate? DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 23:41, 3 June 2012 (EDT)

Never thought of it as a "Jr. Admin" rights group of sorts, but in a way, I guess it could be considered like one. An Ambassador, or whatever it will be called, would have none of an admin's responsibility, because they won't have the power to block users, delete pages, or be relied on in an admin-requiring situation. But I guess there are similarities. I wouldn't call it patroller, as that would imply patrolling is the only tool granted by this rights group. Janitor would not be suitable either, as these users cannot delete pages (deleting images, at a stretch, could be a potential ability, though that may be controversial). Toast ltimatum 09:03, 4 June 2012 (EDT)

It is the only one other than Rollback, which should probably be granted before w/e anyway, and suppressing redirects which is really minor. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 19:44, 4 June 2012 (EDT)

Most Recent Appearance

For each character's infobox, I think it would be nice if it documented each characters most recent appearance. It wouldn't be that hard to do and I would be willing to update it. I don't know how to add another box to the infobox so someone else will have to. Other Wikis do the same thing so I think it would be nice if we did too. See Forum:Most Recent Appearance for more info. ChuckNorris 17:53, 24 July 2012 (EDT)

I just added a field to Template:Infobox Character General. Check it out! Mousehunter321 (talk · contributions) 17:46, 26 July 2012 (EDT)

Thank you so much. I'll go fill in the information. ChuckNorris 17:52, 26 July 2012 (EDT)

Categories

Just like files could once only be moved by admins, categories can still only be renamed by admins. It would be useful for non-admins to be able to rename categories, should this change be made? Toast ltimatum 15:58, 14 September 2012 (EDT)

It is not possible even for developers to rename categories. Toomai Glittershine Da Bomb 16:02, 14 September 2012 (EDT)

Technically it is not possible. But I think it could be moved to another title, and then using a bot to update the links.--egadardery (edits) 03:15, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

So I've been thinking

We need some sort of coverage policy for SmashWiki for regular articles. We already have SW:NOTE, but that's just for smasher articles. If there already is one for mainspace articles, I can't find it. Having a coverage policy would simplify things much better in general, help new users ready to create articles understand what kind of articles are acceptable, and avoid pandemoniacal arguments like this. Air Conditioner I am the man who arranges the blocks. 17:15, 29 December 2012 (EST)

Bump. Air Conditioner You say you want a revolution? 20:19, 2 January 2013 (EST)

In addition, I think we need to restrict the right to create userpages to autoconfirmed users, to promote constructive edits, and as an extra protection measure against spam. Air Conditioner You say you want a revolution? 20:19, 2 January 2013 (EST)

I agree with your second proposal (restricting userpage creation), but I'm not sure what you have in mind for a "coverage policy". Could you elaborate? Mousehunter321 (talk · contributions) 00:28, 3 January 2013 (EST)

I strongly support your second statement, and we should add Smash Arena to this as well. But I think we have coverage of making new pages here. Ac2k 21:03, 3 March 2013 (EST)

Bump. Awesome Cardinal 2000 16:28, 13 March 2013 (EDT)

A template for useful pages

I think this wiki should have a template containing pages that are not policies or help pages, but are useful tools for the user (Special:Contributions, Special:Editcount, Forum:Proposals), etc. Ac2k 21:10, 3 March 2013 (EST)

Give me a list and I could literally make one right now. BlueRidiculous 00:27, 4 March 2013 (EST)

• Special:Editcount

• Special:Contributions
• Forum:Proposals
• Special:Search
• Special:Statistics
• SmashWiki:Sandbox
• Special:WhatLinksHere
• Special:AllPages
• Special:PrefixIndex
• Special:ListRedirects
• Category pages for Category:Stubs, *Category:Articles in need of cleanup, as well as all subcategories
• Special:Watchlist
• SmashWiki:IRC
• SmashWiki:YouTube channel
• Special:WhatLinksHere
• Special:WebChat
• SmashWiki:Administrators' noticeboard
• Forum:Index
• SmashWiki:Community portal
• Special:RecentChanges
• Special:SpecialPages
• Special:Preferences
• Special:ChangeEmail
• Special:ListUsers
• Special:ActiveUsers
• Special:PasswordReset
• Special:ListGroupRights
• SmashWiki:Users
• Special:Upload
• Maintenance reports*

There's a few more that I've probably forgot. They're mostly useful tools for users to navigate the wiki. It should have sections such as ngTools, Users, etc.

If you can think of more, then add those here. The Special pages used for maintenance reports could also be included, but they might be better in another template. I'm not sure.

Thank you for helping! Ac2k 17:32, 4 March 2013 (EST)

I've got the template at {{Usefulpages}}. Make modifications if you wish. BlueRidiculous 00:22, 5 March 2013 (EST)

SmashWiki:Bot requests

A new page that contains suggestions for tasks that need to be performable by bots. While not that necessary now, since we have only two, if we ever have more bots, it would be easier if we had this page to deal with bot requests. A person could suggest something a bot should do, and then a bot runner can say that they will do it and then perform the task with the bot/why they disagree with the actions desired. SmashWiki:Bot requests. Awesome Cardinal 2000 16:10, 16 April 2013 (EDT)

News

My idea is that maybe we should start a newspaper like Super Mario Wiki! I'd be willing to do a section if you give me the options! I should be able to do it one article every two weeks!Klaw King (talk) 00:02, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

Disallow the sub-pages that does not serve the wiki

I've seen several sub-pages that does not serve the wiki at all, Mostly like Userboxes pages. I know it is fun to make them, but we are an encyclopedia not a social page or something. What could be allowed is the /Sandbox /Test /Draft.. and all others, should be merged into the userpage itself.. For people giving their /Userboxes as a link for their friend userbox, the page should be turned into a redirect.

In other word: I propose deleting them, what about you guys?--egadardery (edits) 03:13, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

No, because that would make user pages far too long. I see no issue with users making subpages. It's not disruptive unless users make only subpages and don't contribute to the wiki and we have SmashWiki:Probation to prevent that. DoctorPain99 03:22, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

This almost made me laugh.

but we are an encyclopedia not a social page or something

Which is why users who focus on their userspace excessively are put on probation.

should be merged into the userpage itself

As DP99 said, it would make userpages far too big. My userpage is ~25K bytes. If I merged all my subpages, what would it be? 250K? Just 50K is considered more than enough.

There's no good reason to disallow them. Scr7 06:45, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

Gallery sections?

Should we have a Gallery page like in MarioWiki for the individual pages so that we can add images like most of their moves in that game, stock icons (and re-colours), Classic mode image and more? I think it would be a very easy way to navigate the images of the particular fighter. ----- Conanshinichi 12:45, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

Bump. Scr7 =D 07:29, 28 August 2013 (EDT)

Having discussed this with Conanshinichi on IRC I think having a gallery for every character's game-specific article showing stuff like their moves, stock icons, etc. could be a good idea. However a stage gallery (showing sutff like different backgrounds and things that can appear in backgrounds or on the stage) could just be on the stage's article as it's not big enough to warrant its own article (unlike galleries for each character as they would be far too big to go on their pages). Though both of us couldn't really think of any other articles that could have galleries. Scr7 =D 08:11, 28 August 2013 (EDT)

I'll create one in my subpage if it helps you to realize what it will look like. It'll be for Mario in Melee. -- Conanshinichi (MMAI) 15:30, 28 August 2013 (EDT)

Alright. Scr7 =D 16:55, 28 August 2013 (EDT)

I've made it and you can see it here. -- Conanshinichi (MMAI) 03:27, 29 August 2013 (EDT)

Although, we still haven't got images of his moves. Just saying. Scr7 =D 03:36, 29 August 2013 (EDT)

I think this will work out nicely. Boo Buddy 10:10, 29 August 2013 (EDT)

Bump after the recent changes flood. Scr7 =D 15:41, 29 August 2013 (EDT)

I'd say this is a good idea. I'm a little hesitant to include it on the main Mario (SSBM) page in its entirety, as I know a lot of wikis move large galleries like that to subpages, but this one's small enough that I'm less sure where it should be of the two options. Miles (talk) 16:00, 29 August 2013 (EDT)

Ones like the example probably would be subpages. Scr7(talk · contribs) 03:33, 30 August 2013 (EDT)

I've added about half of Mario's animation if you're curious to what it looks like. --MeMyselfAndI 07:14, 2 September 2013 (EDT)

Would have to say this is a creative idea. Galleries showing all of the stuff a character has in that game sounds pretty organized. Dots The DS 08:37, 2 September 2013 (EDT)

Now that I've found this proposal on this page that shouldn't exist, I can say I don't like it. Why do we need an animated image for every animation in the game? Why do we need separate image files for every character-related UI texture? How does this benefit users who have the game? I don't think those things are even what this original proposal was about, it just snowballed for some reason. Toomai Glittershine The Researcher 16:30, 2 September 2013 (EDT)

Well, now that you got me thinking about it, it is kinda useless. Guess I should move the page back to User:MeMyselfAndI/Mario (SSBM)/Gallery. Though I'm still gonna take animations of Every special attack in the game and upload them to their pages. --MeMyselfAndI 16:13, 3 September 2013 (EDT)