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|<span style="font-size:125%">'''NOTE:'''</span> '''Suggestions are ''closed'''''.<br>You may continue to vote on open suggestions, but no new ones are allowed.
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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:Smash Arena|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.
This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:Smash Arena|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.
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=Rules=
=Rules=
*The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights. Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights.
===Posting suggestions===
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
**Outside very specific circumstances, no fights are allowed between combatants that only appear in a game (or a batch of downloadable content) that has yet to be released.
*If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
*[[SmashWiki:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred '''100 or more rounds ago'''. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
*Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post '''one suggestion per week''' (i.e. one every seven days).
*'''Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and a # in front of it''' (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*'''Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and a # in front of it''' (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*Don't vote for your own suggestion. You automatically vote for it if you suggest it.
*Place new suggestions at '''the bottom''' of the page.
*Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post one suggestion per week.
*You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
*Post '''why''' you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight.  
**If your suggestion is removed because it's invalid or because your week isn't up, it doesn't count as your suggestion for that week. That said, users who constantly post invalid or rapid-fire suggestions may be suspended from suggesting for a few weeks, and may risk [[SW:PROB|probation]].
*You can remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
*Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.
*Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine; just don't replace, add, or remove combatants.
 
*Place new suggestions at '''the bottom''' of the page. If you place them at the top, they may be lost.
===Voting and comments===
*Don't vote on your own suggestion.
*Post '''why''' you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
*The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
*Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
*Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
*The comments section is to be used for '''relevant''' comments.
*'''Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself.''' This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.
*[[SmashWiki:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred '''100 or more rounds ago'''.
 
*Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once.
===Acceptance or rejection===
*In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. Reposting it after time has passed is generally a bad idea, since if it's already in the queue it's a waste of time, and if it was rejected the first time chances are it will remain that way. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
*'''The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights.''' Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
*Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
*Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
*If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
*Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
*And finally, '''do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself.''' This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on which would win.
**In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
*If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
*Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.
 
=Tips=
*In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
*Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
*While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
*Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
*The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.


=Queue=
=Queue=
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When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.
When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.


The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.
The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue attempts to balance out fights so that specific participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.


The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.
The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.
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=Show Your Support=
=Show Your Support=
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=Suggestions=
=Suggestions=


==[[Lugia]] vs. [[Ho-Oh]]==
==[[Rosalina]] vs. [[Bowser Jr.]]==


Once again, two Poké Ball Pokémon fight in the arena! Will the fiery Rainbow Pokémon take the goods, or will he be stopped by the other member of the Tower Duo, Lugia? We haven't had a Poké Ball Pokémon fight since [[Forum:Smash_Arena/Archive_XVI#Round_78:_Suicune_vs._Deoxys|Round 78 (Suicune vs. Deoxys)]], and I thought it was a creative way to implement items in the Arena; I'd love to see a sort of sequel of that Legendary Pokémon fight, but from the same generation. So, there you have it! What do you think? [[User:MeleeMarth01|<font color="seablue">'''MeleeMarth01'''</font>]][[User talk:MeleeMarth01|<font color="red">''Merry Christmas!''</font>]] [[File:MarthHeadSSBM.png|19px]]
Two of the newest characters from the ''Mario'' universe makes it into ''SSB4''. Both have chargeable projectiles which stop dead upon hit. Who will rule 21st century ''Mario''? [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  22:00, 9 December 2017 (EST)


===Support===
===Support===
#No way! I was literally going to post this exact same fight as soon as Suggestions re-opened! But I go away from internet access for one day, and someone beats me to it. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 14:18, 24 December 2011 (EST)
I think it has an interesting idea behind it. It has my vote! [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 15:41, 22 March 2018 (EDT)
#On second thoughts, I see a few similarities. Both fly behind the stage and their attacks are their signature moves from the games. Both attacks can cause devastating amounts of damage and can even OHKO opponents. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 17:28, 24 December 2011 (EST)
 
#@drakon64: it's smash arena, they hardly have any connections to the smash games [[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red"> :o '''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''CREEP''']] [[Image:MCLucas.png|25px]] 07:07, 27 December 2011 (EST)
Sounds like fun! Let's try it! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 07:33, 23 March 2018 (EDT)
#Meh, why not? This is a decent one, and fights that were way worse have showed.... '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>D<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>c<font color=#6E0000>t<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 12:29, 27 December 2011 (EST)
 
#These two are very similar so yes. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|Happy]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|New Year]] [[File:GanondorfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] 14:26, 29 December 2011 (EST)
I agree with Crazy Rhino. It's interesting. Why not. Blueflame105
 
Kind of an obvious one. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)


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===Oppose===
# While the overall idea is nice, there are many pokeball character connections that could fight eachother. Each one is plenty notable and I'm not even a Pokemon fan at all! Ex. Mew vs Jirachi or Charizard vs Blastoise vs Venasaur or Staryu vs Chekoria. All good connections.[[User:Drakon64|<font color="forestgreen">'''Drakon'''</font><font color="seablue">'''6'''</font>]][[User talk:Drakon64|<font color="gold">'''4'''</font>]]  [[File:CharizardHeadSSBB.png|19px]]
# [[User:Avengingbandit|<font face="Ravie" color="#FF7F00">'''Avenging'''</font>]][[User talk:Avengingbandit|<font face="Ravie" color="#FF7F00">'''bandit'''</font>]] [[File:VeryHardDifficulty.png|20px]] 17:43, 24 December 2011 (EST)
# Not really a fan of the Pokeball pokemon fights. --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 11:55, 1 January 2012 (EST)
<s>#While related in the main series Pokemon games and anime, they are not similar in the SSB series. I remember the Groudon vs. Kyogre fight being denied as they didn't have any similarities in SSB. This reason stands for here. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 17:20, 24 December 2011 (EST)</s>


===Comments===
===Comments===


== [[Giant Charizard]] vs [[Giant Bowser]] vs [[Giant Donkey Kong]]==
==[[Bowser]] vs. [[Bowser Jr.]]==
If the bigger they are the harder they fall, expect earthquakes when these brutes enter the arena. The Event match bosses duke it out to see who is the best Kaiju of Smash Bros![[User:Drakon64|<font color="forestgreen">'''Drakon'''</font><font color="seablue">'''6'''</font>]][[User talk:Drakon64|<font color="gold">'''4'''</font>]] [[File:CharizardHeadSSBB.png|19px]]
It's the battle of the Koopas! The Koopa King and the Koopa Prince are a royal duo. Who will rule this Koopa brawl between two ''Mario'' universe enemies? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 07:49, 23 March 2018 (EDT)


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# Event number something in Brawl had you against these guys. --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 11:55, 1 January 2012 (EST)
It would be en epic koopa battle. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  19:59, 9 May 2018 (EDT)
 
Sure, why not? [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
 
===Oppose===
===Oppose===
#A 3-way fight should only be used for 3 major figures, where a 2-way wouldn't work (e.g. Squirtle vs. Ivysaur wouldn't be complete). These just aren't important enough to warrant a 3-way fight, nor does it even need to be. Giant Charizard only appeared in one event match (well, technically two) in ''Brawl'', so the fight doesn't need it. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 15:09, 24 December 2011 (EST)
I don't know. This seems kind of obvious. I don't think they're different enough. You're entitled to your opinion though. Blueflame105
#Per ToastUltimatum. [[User:MeleeMarth01|<font color="seablue">'''MeleeMarth01'''</font>]][[User talk:MeleeMarth01|<font color="red">''Merry Christmas!''</font>]] [[File:MarthHeadSSBM.png|19px]] 15:27, 24 December 2011 (EST)
 
#I just don't like this. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 17:20, 24 December 2011 (EST)
#You can't make a 3-way fight, that's ridiculous. [[User:Avengingbandit|<font face="Ravie" color="#FF7F00">'''Avenging'''</font>]][[User talk:Avengingbandit|<font face="Ravie" color="#FF7F00">'''bandit'''</font>]] [[File:VeryHardDifficulty.png|20px]] 02:38, 25 December 2011 (EST)
#While I think the current reasons in oppose are terrible, I oppose this on the grounds that Giant Charizard sticks out to me as the oddball, and to do a three way match, I'd like to see three fighters with even similarities, for example: Squrtile v. Ivysaur v. Charizard. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>D<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>c<font color=#6E0000>t<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 12:29, 27 December 2011 (EST)
#Agree with Dr. Pain on prior oppose reasons being poor. My reasoning for opposing: 1.) Does having the characters giant make a difference? Is anyone that would vote for Bowser normally going to suddenly vote for Charizard or DK because they're giant? 2.) The three really have nothing between them for a three way match, and King Dedede would be better for a super heavyweight three way. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:00, 27 December 2011 (EST)
#I'm not seeing it. They're giants, and that's about it. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 14:00, 28 December 2011 (EST)
#[[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|Happy]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|New Year]] [[File:GanondorfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] 14:26, 29 December 2011 (EST)
===Comments===
===Comments===
ToastUltimatum if they have an arena with the only connections being castle and stage, this won't be that hard to fit in.[[User:Drakon64|<font color="forestgreen">'''Drakon'''</font><font color="seablue">'''6'''</font>]][[User talk:Drakon64|<font color="gold">'''4'''</font>]]  [[File:CharizardHeadSSBB.png|19px]]
:But that was only a two-way fight. Two-way fights can consist of anything, but a 3-way only happens under rare circumstances, and therefore should feature important combatants. Giant DK vs. Giant Bowser would be enough on its own. Though it would get opposed anyway, because we've already had DK vs. Bowser :P [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 15:17, 24 December 2011 (EST)
::It's not the characters that made them special together, it's their traits as giants. All appear at least twice in Smash Bros and all are in events. Plus it's supposed to be a Smash Bros rendition of Godzilla, King Kong and Rodan (or King Ghidorah). [[User:Drakon64|<font color="forestgreen">'''Drakon'''</font><font color="seablue">'''6'''</font>]][[User talk:Drakon64|<font color="gold">'''4'''</font>]]  [[File:CharizardHeadSSBB.png|19px]]


==[[Meta Crystal]] vs. [[Final Destination (SSB)]]==
==[[Villager]] vs. [[Rosalina]]==
The two stages in ''[[Super Smash Bros.]]'' which could only be played in 1-player mode, and not by any other means. Which do you prefer, or rather, which would you have liked to fight on? [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 15:09, 24 December 2011 (EST)
 
Both characters are fun and have a special move that can negate most projectiles (Pocket and Gravitational Pull, respectively) and are both fairly new. Both are newcomers. Who would win? What do you think? [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 16:02, 9 May 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105 3:01, March 9 2018 (American Central Time)


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#If I had a second suggestion, it would be a non-playable stage fight like this. [[User:MeleeMarth01|<font color="seablue">'''MeleeMarth01'''</font>]][[User talk:MeleeMarth01|<font color="red">''Merry Christmas!''</font>]] [[File:MarthHeadSSBM.png|19px]] 15:29, 24 December 2011 (EST)
A great battle for me so, let's give that a try! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 12:15, 10 May 2018 (EDT)
#We've never had Meta Crystal in a fight before. [[User:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">Mousehunter321</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">talk</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">contributions</font>]])</small> 15:31, 24 December 2011 (EST)
 
#[[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|towmmarow]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|is Chrismas]] [[File:MarioHeadSSBB.png|19px]] 17:13, 24 December 2011 (EST)
This is a great idea. Has my support. YoshisaurusThe9th
#Yeah, I like this. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 17:20, 24 December 2011 (EST)
 
#Interestiiiing... [[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red"> :o '''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''CREEP''']] [[Image:MCLucas.png|25px]] 10:49, 25 December 2011 (EST)
# Per above. --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 11:55, 1 January 2012 (EST)
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#Meh, this one just doesn't do it for me. The stages aren't actually that similar, other than only being 1P accessible. One has a semi-official name; the other has its future name applied to it. One never shows up again; the other is in all 3 games. One is metal with a bunch of giant crystals; the other, just a platform. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>D<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>c<font color=#6E0000>t<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 12:29, 27 December 2011 (EST)
I don't really get the connection. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
#One's plain and could be legal, the other isn't. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 14:00, 28 December 2011 (EST)
 
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''If I had a second suggestion, it would be a non-playable stage fight like this. -- MeleeMarth01'' Yeah, you seem to have a thing with suggesting the same fights as myself XD [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 15:33, 24 December 2011 (EST)


== Aura Storm vs. Zero Laser ==
==[[Koopalings|Wendy]] vs. [[Lucina]]==


Ima giving this another shot. They kinda like Suicine vs. Deoxys (how to spell it?) [[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red"> :o '''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''CREEP''']] [[Image:MCLucas.png|25px]] 10:38, 25 December 2011 (EST)
The only unlockable females in the series. One fights to repair the future, the other fights to take over the world. One is driven and kind, the other is bratty and vicious. Which one reigns supreme? [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)


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#Sure, they're both cool Final Smashes. I'd be happy to vote on this round. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 10:41, 25 December 2011 (EST)
A nice matchup in my favor. [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
#Both are directional, and one transforms. This'll be close when it comes to the Arena. [[User:MeleeMarth01|<font color="seablue">'''MeleeMarth01'''</font>]][[User talk:MeleeMarth01|<font color="red">''Merry Christmas!''</font>]] [[File:MarthHeadSSBM.png|19px]] 12:19, 25 December 2011 (EST)
#Yeah, sure. <span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 2px gold; font-family:Elephant">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span> <span style="color:green">Dragon</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:white">'''•'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Contribs.</span>]])</sup></span> 08:45, 27 December 2011 (EST)
#This is probably the best suggestion up, so... '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>D<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>c<font color=#6E0000>t<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 12:29, 27 December 2011 (EST)
#A fight that shoulda been suggested more times. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 14:00, 28 December 2011 (EST)
#Lasers is right. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|Happy]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|New Year]] [[File:GanondorfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] 14:26, 29 December 2011 (EST)
#Yep. ''[[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]]''[[file:Heart.JPG|15px|link=User talk:JamesHeart123]]''[[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">123</font>]]'' 20:04, 31 December 2011 (EST)
#Yesh. --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 11:55, 1 January 2012 (EST)
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Just no. Please no. Also, Wendy isn't unlockable in for Wii U, and neither is Lucina, so that's driven entirely from the 3DS version, right? [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 12:03, 8 June 2018 (EDT) Blueflame105


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==[[ReDead]] vs. [[Bucculus]]==
==[[Lakitu & Spinies]] vs. [[Hammer Bro.]]==
These two enemies from the adventure modes aren't very mobile, until the players comes near, where they then give chase until defeated or have captures their prey. They latch onto the player, sucking the life force out of them, before releasing the player. These enemies, while they never can KO the player directly, are an nuance to pass, and the damage they deal set the player up for KOs from stronger enemies. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:00, 27 December 2011 (EST)
 
Two [[Assist Trophies]] from the ''Mario'' series. One throws Spinies, the other throws hammers. Which one is your favorite? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)


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#Now, there's an inventive fight. I hope to see this one used. I know I've said that for almost everything here, but you get the point. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 21:36, 27 December 2011 (EST)
It's a cool idea, so I'll support this. I would definitely vote for Hammer Bro. though. I hate going up against Lakitu. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 12:04, 8 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
#Seems pretty unique and nice [[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red"> :o '''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''CREEP''']] [[Image:MCLucas.png|25px]] 08:29, 28 December 2011 (EST)
#While they aren't similar in how they look, they're very similar in how they function. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>D<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>c<font color=#6E0000>t<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 12:12, 28 December 2011 (EST)
#Very similiar indeed. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 14:00, 28 December 2011 (EST)
#[[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|Happy]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|New Year]] [[File:GanondorfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] 14:26, 29 December 2011 (EST)
#Inventive and similar. [[User:MeleeMarth01|<font color="seablue">'''MeleeMarth01'''</font>]][[User talk:MeleeMarth01|<font color="red">''Happy New Year!''</font>]] [[File:MarthHeadSSBM.png|19px]] 13:17, 1 January 2012 (EST)


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Rematches are uninteresting in general, especially now that we're going to have 5 ''Smash'' games and now, there are more ''Mario'' based assists. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
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Not saying it couldn't happen as it was more than 100 matches ago, but discovered this same matchup with their Brawl incarnations in the archives. While I do like this matchup and fully support it, it does say you aren't likely to get a repeat unless people really want a different result or it was a tie. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 19:06, 6 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105


== Giga Bowser vs Yoshi Dragon ==
==[[Mario Circuit (SSB4)]] vs. [[Rainbow Road]]==


One, the fearsome transformation of the King of Koopas, the other, the culmination of powerups given to the humble warrior. Both are powerful manifestations of non-humans introduced in the Mario series, and both are controllable transformation final smashes. Who will win? [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:MatchupUnknown.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']] 00:35, 28 December 2011 (EST)
3, 2, 1... GO! Two stages from ''{{iw|mariowiki|Mario Kart|series}}'' battle it out in a race to the finish. One is from ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 8}}'' and ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 8 Deluxe}}'', the other is from ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 7}}''. Who will take the checkered flag in this match? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 01:10, 17 June 2018 (EDT)


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#Yah, well, both dragon-like lizard-like, and they both breath/spits fire, one ramps and shoots, other just gets bigger. [[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red"> :o '''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''CREEP''']] [[Image:MCLucas.png|25px]] 08:31, 28 December 2011 (EST)
Great Idea in my opinion.
#I'd be interested in seeing a fight between these two super-powered Mario reptiles. ''[[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]]''[[file:Heart.JPG|15px|link=User talk:JamesHeart123]]''[[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">123</font>]]'' 20:04, 31 December 2011 (EST)
[[User: CaptainDabsalot|CaptainDabsalot]] Or [[User Talk: CaptainDabsalot|The SavageCow]] 6/22/18 11:04 CST
#Per JamesHeart123. [[User:MeleeMarth01|<font color="seablue">'''MeleeMarth01'''</font>]][[User talk:MeleeMarth01|<font color="red">''Happy New Year!''</font>]] [[File:MarthHeadSSBM.png|19px]] 13:21, 1 January 2012 (EST)


[[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
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#Two very different final smashes just don't merit an SA fight IMO. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>D<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>c<font color=#6E0000>t<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 12:12, 28 December 2011 (EST)
 
#Though Yoshi Dragon is controllable in the sense that you decide when to launch a fire ball, it is not controllable in the sense that it has a full moveset modification like Giga Bowser. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 14:00, 28 December 2011 (EST)
#Yoshi Dragon isn't a true transformation, as he can only fly, spew fire and ram into opponents. Giga is a true transformation. He has all of Bowser's powers plus more. Yoshi Dragon is not similar in form, as Yoshi looks like an angel Yoshi while Giga is a demonic form of Bowser, both differ in power, size, controllability and overall usefulness. The only Simularity I see is their both Final Smashes. Everything else is almost a polar opposite.[[User:Drakon64|<font color="forestgreen">'''Drakon'''</font><font color="seablue">'''6'''</font>]][[User talk:Drakon64|<font color="gold">'''4'''</font>]]  [[File:CharizardHeadSSBB.png|19px]] 14:05, 29 December 2011 (EST)
#Not very similar to each other. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|Happy]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|New Year]] [[File:GanondorfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] 14:26, 29 December 2011 (EST)
#Gameplay wise, they're totally different. --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 11:55, 1 January 2012 (EST)
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I'm not going to directly oppose this, but I'm very neutral towards this fight. Besides being Mario-based, and both possessing t3h ph1re (though quite minmally with Giga Bowser), they aren't overly similar. One is a huge tyrant, the other is Yoshi with wings. Like I said, I am still neutral, so I won't mind if this fight pops up in the Smash Arena, but I won't give explicit support towards it. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 10:35, 28 December 2011 (EST)
:SA fights doesnt have to be similar, come think of it. Even Mites vs Tabuu is in SA (which ended up one sided -___-) [[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red"> :o '''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''CREEP''']] [[Image:MCLucas.png|25px]] 11:37, 28 December 2011 (EST)


==Lakitu vs. Hammer Bro. ==
==[[Daisy]] vs. [[Inkling]] vs. [[Ridley]]==


The most feared enemies from the original Super Mario Bros fighting it out! one sticking to it's roots in looks and the other having a 3D update for their function in Brawl. They both use projectiles too for annoying opponents. Which old school Koopa Troop Member will be the most popular? [[Special:Contributions/86.82.234.185|86.82.234.185]] 05:48, 28 December 2011 (EST)
The first three newcomers announced for SSBU. Which noob gets the most hype? ...Wait a second... [[Forum:Smash_Arena/Archive_40#Villager_vs._Wii_Fit_Trainer_vs._Mega_Man|hasn't something like this been done before?]] [[User:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">infernape]][[User talk:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">612</span>]]</span> 20:17, 21 July 2018 (EDT)


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#They both are annoying, and also annoying in their own games yet they throw annoying stuff and annoyingly kill mario on the way [[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red"> :o '''Lucas'''</span>]][[User talk:Lucasthefourth|'''-IV-''']] [[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''CREEP''']] [[Image:MCLucas.png|25px]] 08:31, 28 December 2011 (EST)
I mean... yeah. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 20:42, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
#I love almost all types of Koopa. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 10:35, 28 December 2011 (EST)
 
#Whenever I play Super Mario Bros., these are the only two enemies that trigger "run" in my head. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>D<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>c<font color=#6E0000>t<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 12:12, 28 December 2011 (EST)
ABSOLUTELY! Ultimate looks really good. Counting down the days till December 9th..... [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 22:30, 21 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
#[[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|Happy]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|New Year]] [[File:GanondorfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] 14:26, 29 December 2011 (EST)
 
#Yep. ''[[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]]''[[file:Heart.JPG|15px|link=User talk:JamesHeart123]]''[[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">123</font>]]'' 20:04, 31 December 2011 (EST)
The only time such matchup is valid. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
#They are the demonic spiders of the classic Mario series. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 08:58, 1 January 2012 (EST)
 
#Yesh. --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 11:55, 1 January 2012 (EST)
Love it! That one is going to be awesome! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 13:07, 29 July 2018 (EDT)
#Both throw annoying projectiles at you when they're summoned from Assist Trophies. (Falcon does Falcon Dive) Yesh! [[User:MeleeMarth01|<font color="seablue">'''MeleeMarth01'''</font>]][[User talk:MeleeMarth01|<font color="red">''Happy New Year!''</font>]] [[File:MarthHeadSSBM.png|19px]] 13:22, 1 January 2012 (EST)
 
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==Luigi vs Tails==
 
They're oth the second most popular in their series, and they both have a higher jump then the hero they're in the shadow of. Who would win? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:99.255.104.101|99.255.104.101]] ([[User talk:99.255.104.101|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/99.255.104.101|contribs]]) 08:55, 31 December 2011 (EST)</small>
==[[Kirby (SSB4)|Kirby]] Vs. [[Jigglypuff (SSB4)| Jigglypuff]]==
 
Pink. Puffy. Powerful. Wait, which one am I talking about? It's pink puffball on pink puffball in this puffball brawl. Both are floaty, pink, and overall competitively useless! Both of their up specials can hinder their recoveries, but can jump a lot (maybe too much) so it's all good. It's the ULTIMATE BATTLE! What's that? You say it's not? Well then, [[Kirby]] or [[Jigglypuff]]. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 08:53, 22 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105


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#This one was opposed a long time ago. Luigi is a playable character. Tails isn't even an assist trophy. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>D<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>c<font color=#6E0000>t<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 12:05, 31 December 2011 (EST)
This match was already done in a lopsided result. Also I noticed that much of your contributions have been Smash Arena related and we're currently on a Red wiki status and spending to much time in the Smash Arena without contributing to the mainspace can result in an IP block (or probation if you're a registered user). [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is bad for me  18:52, 23 July 2018 (EDT)
#Per above. I could suggest [[Onix]] vs. [[Snake (SSBB)|Solid Snake]], but there'd be too much of a relevancy difference. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 19:25, 31 December 2011 (EST)
#Tails is a background image character. As least Importent as it gets.[[User:Drakon64|<font color="forestgreen">'''Drakon'''</font><font color="seablue">'''6'''</font>]][[User talk:Drakon64|<font color="gold">'''4'''</font>]]  [[File:CharizardHeadSSBB.png|19px]] 00:42, 1 January 2012 (EST)
#The description for this matchup is flawed (claims of them being the second most popular character is questionable at best, and Tails' superior abilities over Sonic isn't a higher jump). On the basis of them being second fiddle characters that have superior abilities to the main protagonist, I would probably support, if not for the fact Tails' role in Smash is limited to a minor background cameo on a single stage. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 08:58, 1 January 2012 (EST)
#Tails is nowhere near a character like Luigi is in the Smash series. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 10:02, 1 January 2012 (EST)
#Per everyone. --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 11:55, 1 January 2012 (EST)
#Per 174.59.4.202, which means ''' ''per everyone.'' ''' [[User:MeleeMarth01|<font color="seablue">'''MeleeMarth01'''</font>]][[User talk:MeleeMarth01|<font color="red">''Happy New Year!''</font>]] [[File:MarthHeadSSBM.png|19px]] 13:26, 1 January 2012 (EST)


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I apologize. I was not aware of this, and will refrain from doing Smash Arena things, at least until wiki status lowers. I have been attempting tobe more helpful on the wiki, but overall, I'm not good at it. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 22:51, 25 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
==[[Cloud Strife]] Vs. [[Solid Snake]]==
While these two super soldiers are largely considered Playstation classics, they've found there way into Nintendo's big crossover. Both may take some stuff through cloning (Cloud has Zack's memories and abilities, Snake is a literal clone of Big Boss) but who comes out on top? Btw, they're both relatively mature for Nintendo titles --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 21:19, 11 August 2018 (EDT)
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I nearly removed this suggestion because I thought it involved an ''Ultimate'' character, then I found out Cloud was in ''SSB4''. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  22:42, 11 August 2018 (EDT)
They are great characters in both ''Smash 4'' and ''Ultimate'' so, let's do it! By the way, Cloud's debut game is ''Final Fantasy VII'', while ''Metal Gear Solid'' is Snake's first game. [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 15:23, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
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==[[Battlefield]] Vs. [[Big Battlefield]]==
Pretty simple idea. Battlefield vs its big bro. --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 12:05, 28 December 2018 (EST)
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Not a bad idea. <span style="color:lightblue">Everone123</span> ([[User:Everone123|userpage]] • [[User talk:Everone123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Everone123|contribs]]) 22:15, 7 January 2019 (EST)
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No contest. Big Battlefield wins (Bigger means better). Try coming up with something else. --[[User:JackyBlooo|JackyBlooo]] ([[User talk:JackyBlooo|talk]]) 08:52, 3 January 2019 (EST)
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== [[Luigi's Mansion]] vs. [[Dracula's Castle]] ==


==[[Event 33: Lethal Marathon|Lethal Marathon]] vs. [[Event 6: Super Bowser Bros.|Super Bowser Bros.]]==
Two locations, one being a haunted mansion in the middle of a spooky forest that is home to a green-clad  plumber, the other being a giant castle on the outskirts of Transylvania that is home to an evil vampire, both places equally spooky. --[[User:JackyBlooo|JackyBlooo]] ([[User talk:JackyBlooo|talk]]) 08:56, 3 January 2019 (EST)


These two struggles to the finish take two characters out of their comfort zones. But which one will make it to the goal? ''[[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]]''[[file:Heart.JPG|15px|link=User talk:JamesHeart123]]''[[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">123</font>]]'' 19:04, 31 December 2011 (EST)
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I think another fun connection is Dracula's Castle used to replace Luigi's Mansion in PM. --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 18:32, 19 January 2019 (EST)


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This is my kind of battle! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 18:35, 19 January 2019 (EST)
#Certainly inventive. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 19:25, 31 December 2011 (EST)
#Per ToastUltimatum.[[User:MeleeMarth01|<font color="seablue">'''MeleeMarth01'''</font>]][[User talk:MeleeMarth01|<font color="red">''Happy New Year!''</font>]] [[File:MarthHeadSSBM.png|19px]] 13:24, 1 January 2012 (EST)


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Yeah both places can be considered scary places. It would make a perfect battle. [[File:George Jones.jpg|25px]] [[User:Corrin Fan|Corrin Fan]] [[File:Walls Can Fall.jpg|25px]] 14:25, 21 January 2019 (EST)
#While creative, the description leaves out the fact Lethal Marathon is an actual race to the finish, while the latter is just a timed survival battle on a moving stage. It would be better to pair the latter event with [[King of the Mountain]], which is the actual functional equivalent event of Melee, and not Lethal Marathon. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 08:58, 1 January 2012 (EST)
#Letah Marathon makes you race to the finish against the F-Zero machines while using a custom stage for it. Super Bowser Bros. puts you in a race in a stage that you could have played multiple times, and pits you against Marios. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 10:02, 1 January 2012 (EST)
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@Omega Tyrant; Or if the suggestion was to be cross-generational between ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'', then [[Event 17: Super Waterfall Climb|Super Waterfall Climb]] could take Super Bowser Bros.' position. I still like the way it is, however.
:Super Waterfall Climb is still like Super Bowser Bros.; surviving on a moving stage until time runs out, rather than an actual race to the finish. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:55, 1 January 2012 (EST)


==[[Great Fox]] vs. [[Halberd|Battleship Halberd]]==
Seems like a fun idea. [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)
Two of Nintendo's most powerful battleships, that also happen to serve as stages in the ''Smash'' series, shall collide for the second time, after their clash in the Subspace Emissary. Which shall take the dogfight? [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 19:25, 31 December 2011 (EST)


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Giving this a vote since the current arena seriously needs to end already. Also the PM trivia is neat.<span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 09:15, August 31, 2019 (EDT)
#I'd like to see how this one would play out. ''[[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]]''[[file:Heart.JPG|15px|link=User talk:JamesHeart123]]''[[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">123</font>]]'' 20:04, 31 December 2011 (EST)
#Suprised this hasn't done before. <span style="font-family:Agency FB; font-size:12pt">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="black">'''Blind'''</font>]]</span><span style="font-family: Berlin Sans FB; font-size:12pt">[[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="red">C</font><font color="purple">ol</font>]][[ Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="green">ou</font><font color="seablue">rs</font>]]</span> [[File:Boing.png|50px]] 21:08, 31 December 2011 (EST)
#Two ships, one of which has two stages...Yesh! [[User:MeleeMarth01|<font color="seablue">'''MeleeMarth01'''</font>]][[User talk:MeleeMarth01|<font color="red">''Happy New Year!''</font>]] [[File:MarthHeadSSBM.png|19px]] 13:25, 1 January 2012 (EST)


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==[[Bayonetta]] vs. [[Joker]]==
Is this supposed to be the stages? Or the ships themselves? The description makes it seem like a matchup between the ships, but the title says Corneria vs. Halberd and not Great Fox vs. Halberd. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 08:58, 1 January 2012 (EST)
:Really, it can be either. A vote could be influenced by the ship or the stage. If one were to place a vote on this fight, they could say "Great Fox is Nintendo's best battleship", or they could say "Corneria is my favourite stage in Melee/Brawl". Perhaps in hindsight, Battleship Halberd vs. Great Fox might've been smarter, but I don't think I can change it now that it has been voted on. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 09:26, 1 January 2012 (EST)
::If you want to add clarity, then you might be okay since there're only two votes so far. Bit close though. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Metroid 09:46, 1 January 2012 (EST)
:::Done so, I have. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 09:50, 1 January 2012 (EST)


== [[Fighting Polygon Team]] vs. [[Fighting Wire Frames]] vs. [[Fighting Alloy Team]] ==
Both are black clad, gun wielding, Sega owned (well, kinda for Joker), DLC fighters. But which one will come out on top? [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)


The standard teams of minor minions from each of the Smash games. Which is best? --[[Special:Contributions/174.59.4.202|174.59.4.202]] 11:50, 1 January 2012 (EST)
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#<span style="font-family:Agency FB; font-size:12pt">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="black">'''Blind'''</font>]]</span><span style="font-family: Berlin Sans FB; font-size:12pt">[[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="red">C</font><font color="purple">ol</font>]][[ Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="green">ou</font><font color="seablue">rs</font>]]</span> [[File:Boing.png|50px]] 12:33, 1 January 2012 (EST)
* Bayonetta and Joker are extremely similar, this battle could make a difference. [[File:Derekblue1SigHead1.png|20px|link=]] [[User:Derekblue1|<span style="color:#20B2AA;">'''Derekblue1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Derekblue1|<span style="color:#20B2AA;">(talk)</span>]] [[File:Derekblue1SigHead2.png|20px|link=]] 09:54, April 15, 2020 (EDT)
#[[User:MeleeMarth01|<font color="seablue">'''MeleeMarth01'''</font>]][[User talk:MeleeMarth01|<font color="red">''Happy New Year!''</font>]] [[File:MarthHeadSSBM.png|19px]] 13:25, 1 January 2012 (EST)


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==[[Mario]] vs. [[Donkey Kong]] vs. [[Pacman]]==


All three are iconic fighters who were huge hits in the early 1980s, shoot projectiles, and are great at rescuing people. But things have been bubbling around Peach since Wii U, and there is only one way to settle things. Which will get the princess? [[User:Met3oR|Met3oR]] ([[User talk:Met3oR|talk]]) 22:17, April 13, 2020


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==[[Pikachu]] vs. [[Lucas]]==


==Mushroomy Kingdom vs. Green Hill Zone==
Both have the power of Thor. [[User:Met3oR|Met3oR]] ([[User talk:Met3oR|talk]]) 14:38, May 09, 2020
 
The first level of Mario's first game, and the first zone of Sonic's first game. Which old-school stage will take the lead? [[User:Bowzerdude|Bowzerdude- Pure Epicness!]] ([[User talk:Bowzerdude|talk]]) 14:36, 1 January 2012 (EST)


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*Quick heads up, the wiki's Smash Arena has been discontinued in favor of the Discord server's. The suggestions should go there instead. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 11:15, May 9, 2020 (EDT)

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Forums: Index → Smash Arena → Smash Arena Suggestions


An icon used in notice templates. NOTE: Smash Arena is now on our Discord. Please take your suggestions there.

This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the Smash Arena. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

Rules[edit]

Posting suggestions[edit]

  • Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
    • Outside very specific circumstances, no fights are allowed between combatants that only appear in a game (or a batch of downloadable content) that has yet to be released.
  • If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
  • Check this list to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred 100 or more rounds ago. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
  • Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post one suggestion per week (i.e. one every seven days).
  • Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with ~~~~ and a # in front of it (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with ~~~~).
  • Place new suggestions at the bottom of the page.
  • You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
    • If your suggestion is removed because it's invalid or because your week isn't up, it doesn't count as your suggestion for that week. That said, users who constantly post invalid or rapid-fire suggestions may be suspended from suggesting for a few weeks, and may risk probation.
  • Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.

Voting and comments[edit]

  • Don't vote on your own suggestion.
  • Post why you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
  • The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
  • Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
  • Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself. This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.

Acceptance or rejection[edit]

  • The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights. Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
  • Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
  • Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
    • In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
  • If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
  • Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.

Tips[edit]

  • In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
  • Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
  • While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
  • Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
  • The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.

Queue[edit]

The current queue is as such:

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Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue attempts to balance out fights so that specific participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

Show Your Support[edit]

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Template[edit]

To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts: 

==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

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Suggestions[edit]

Rosalina vs. Bowser Jr.[edit]

Two of the newest characters from the Mario universe makes it into SSB4. Both have chargeable projectiles which stop dead upon hit. Who will rule 21st century Mario? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 22:00, 9 December 2017 (EST)

Support[edit]

I think it has an interesting idea behind it. It has my vote! Crazy456Rhino (talk) 15:41, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

Sounds like fun! Let's try it! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 07:33, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

I agree with Crazy Rhino. It's interesting. Why not. Blueflame105

Kind of an obvious one. TheNuttyOne 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

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Bowser vs. Bowser Jr.[edit]

It's the battle of the Koopas! The Koopa King and the Koopa Prince are a royal duo. Who will rule this Koopa brawl between two Mario universe enemies? Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 07:49, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

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It would be en epic koopa battle. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 19:59, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

Sure, why not? TheNuttyOne 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

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I don't know. This seems kind of obvious. I don't think they're different enough. You're entitled to your opinion though. Blueflame105

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Villager vs. Rosalina[edit]

Both characters are fun and have a special move that can negate most projectiles (Pocket and Gravitational Pull, respectively) and are both fairly new. Both are newcomers. Who would win? What do you think? 72.133.91.93 16:02, 9 May 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105 3:01, March 9 2018 (American Central Time)

Support[edit]

A great battle for me so, let's give that a try! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 12:15, 10 May 2018 (EDT)

This is a great idea. Has my support. YoshisaurusThe9th

Oppose[edit]

I don't really get the connection. TheNuttyOne 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

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Wendy vs. Lucina[edit]

The only unlockable females in the series. One fights to repair the future, the other fights to take over the world. One is driven and kind, the other is bratty and vicious. Which one reigns supreme? TheNuttyOne 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

A nice matchup in my favor. Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

Oppose[edit]

Just no. Please no. Also, Wendy isn't unlockable in for Wii U, and neither is Lucina, so that's driven entirely from the 3DS version, right? 72.133.91.93 12:03, 8 June 2018 (EDT) Blueflame105

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Lakitu & Spinies vs. Hammer Bro.[edit]

Two Assist Trophies from the Mario series. One throws Spinies, the other throws hammers. Which one is your favorite? Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

It's a cool idea, so I'll support this. I would definitely vote for Hammer Bro. though. I hate going up against Lakitu. 72.133.91.93 12:04, 8 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Oppose[edit]

Rematches are uninteresting in general, especially now that we're going to have 5 Smash games and now, there are more Mario based assists. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

Comments[edit]

Not saying it couldn't happen as it was more than 100 matches ago, but discovered this same matchup with their Brawl incarnations in the archives. While I do like this matchup and fully support it, it does say you aren't likely to get a repeat unless people really want a different result or it was a tie. 72.133.91.93 19:06, 6 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Mario Circuit (SSB4) vs. Rainbow Road[edit]

3, 2, 1... GO! Two stages from Mario Kart battle it out in a race to the finish. One is from Mario Kart 8 and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, the other is from Mario Kart 7. Who will take the checkered flag in this match? Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 01:10, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

Great Idea in my opinion. CaptainDabsalot Or The SavageCow 6/22/18 11:04 CST

ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

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Daisy vs. Inkling vs. Ridley[edit]

The first three newcomers announced for SSBU. Which noob gets the most hype? ...Wait a second... hasn't something like this been done before? infernape612 20:17, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

I mean... yeah. TheNuttyOne 20:42, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

ABSOLUTELY! Ultimate looks really good. Counting down the days till December 9th..... 72.133.91.93 22:30, 21 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

The only time such matchup is valid. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

Love it! That one is going to be awesome! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 13:07, 29 July 2018 (EDT)

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Kirby Vs. Jigglypuff[edit]

Pink. Puffy. Powerful. Wait, which one am I talking about? It's pink puffball on pink puffball in this puffball brawl. Both are floaty, pink, and overall competitively useless! Both of their up specials can hinder their recoveries, but can jump a lot (maybe too much) so it's all good. It's the ULTIMATE BATTLE! What's that? You say it's not? Well then, Kirby or Jigglypuff. 72.133.91.93 08:53, 22 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

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This match was already done in a lopsided result. Also I noticed that much of your contributions have been Smash Arena related and we're currently on a Red wiki status and spending to much time in the Smash Arena without contributing to the mainspace can result in an IP block (or probation if you're a registered user). ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 18:52, 23 July 2018 (EDT)

Comments[edit]

I apologize. I was not aware of this, and will refrain from doing Smash Arena things, at least until wiki status lowers. I have been attempting tobe more helpful on the wiki, but overall, I'm not good at it. 72.133.91.93 22:51, 25 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Cloud Strife Vs. Solid Snake[edit]

While these two super soldiers are largely considered Playstation classics, they've found there way into Nintendo's big crossover. Both may take some stuff through cloning (Cloud has Zack's memories and abilities, Snake is a literal clone of Big Boss) but who comes out on top? Btw, they're both relatively mature for Nintendo titles --Myth Myth Kirby.png 21:19, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

I nearly removed this suggestion because I thought it involved an Ultimate character, then I found out Cloud was in SSB4. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 22:42, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

They are great characters in both Smash 4 and Ultimate so, let's do it! By the way, Cloud's debut game is Final Fantasy VII, while Metal Gear Solid is Snake's first game. Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 15:23, 23 August 2018 (EDT)

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Battlefield Vs. Big Battlefield[edit]

Pretty simple idea. Battlefield vs its big bro. --Myth Myth Kirby.png 12:05, 28 December 2018 (EST)

Support[edit]

Not a bad idea. Everone123 (userpage • talk • contribs) 22:15, 7 January 2019 (EST)

Oppose[edit]

No contest. Big Battlefield wins (Bigger means better). Try coming up with something else. --JackyBlooo (talk) 08:52, 3 January 2019 (EST)

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Luigi's Mansion vs. Dracula's Castle[edit]

Two locations, one being a haunted mansion in the middle of a spooky forest that is home to a green-clad plumber, the other being a giant castle on the outskirts of Transylvania that is home to an evil vampire, both places equally spooky. --JackyBlooo (talk) 08:56, 3 January 2019 (EST)

Support[edit]

I think another fun connection is Dracula's Castle used to replace Luigi's Mansion in PM. --Myth Myth Kirby.png 18:32, 19 January 2019 (EST)

This is my kind of battle! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 18:35, 19 January 2019 (EST)

Yeah both places can be considered scary places. It would make a perfect battle. George Jones.jpg Corrin Fan Walls Can Fall.jpg 14:25, 21 January 2019 (EST)

Seems like a fun idea. Crazy456Rhino (talk) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)

Giving this a vote since the current arena seriously needs to end already. Also the PM trivia is neat. Supα Toαd 64, The Best MK64ToadCSP.jpg 09:15, August 31, 2019 (EDT)

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Bayonetta vs. Joker[edit]

Both are black clad, gun wielding, Sega owned (well, kinda for Joker), DLC fighters. But which one will come out on top? Crazy456Rhino (talk) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)

Support[edit]

  • Bayonetta and Joker are extremely similar, this battle could make a difference. Derekblue1SigHead1.png Derekblue1 (talk) Derekblue1SigHead2.png 09:54, April 15, 2020 (EDT)

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Mario vs. Donkey Kong vs. Pacman[edit]

All three are iconic fighters who were huge hits in the early 1980s, shoot projectiles, and are great at rescuing people. But things have been bubbling around Peach since Wii U, and there is only one way to settle things. Which will get the princess? Met3oR (talk) 22:17, April 13, 2020

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Pikachu vs. Lucas[edit]

Both have the power of Thor. Met3oR (talk) 14:38, May 09, 2020

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  • Quick heads up, the wiki's Smash Arena has been discontinued in favor of the Discord server's. The suggestions should go there instead. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 11:15, May 9, 2020 (EDT)
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