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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:The Smash Arena Character Battles|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reasons why you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.
This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:Smash Arena|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.


Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash.
Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.


=Rules=
=Rules=
*The SA runners have final say over all the fights.
===Posting suggestions===
*Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and a # in front of it (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*Don't vote for your own suggestion. You automatically vote for it if you suggest it.
*Do not post more that one fight at a time; about one week between suggestions is fine.
*Post WHY you support/oppose. Don't say, "Oh, Link is much better than Snake"! Explain why you like the fight.
*You can remove your own suggestion, but this doesn't mean you can immediately replace it.
*Place new suggestions at '''THE BOTTOM''' of page. If you place them at the top, they may be lost.
*Do NOT use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like "That's so stupid" that could potentially start an argument in the Comments, you are breaching the rule.
*The comments section is to be used for '''relevant''' comments.
*[[Forum:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view any fights that have been done; currently no repeat fights are permitted.
*If a fight you suggested is removed, do not repost it. Either it was removed because it was deemed to not have enough support to be used, or it was removed because it has been placed into the queue. You may repost a failed fight if it has been some time since it was rejected.
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
*And finally, '''do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself.''' This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on which would win.
**Outside very specific circumstances, no fights are allowed between combatants that only appear in a game (or a batch of downloadable content) that has yet to be released.
*If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
*[[SmashWiki:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred '''100 or more rounds ago'''. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
*Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post '''one suggestion per week''' (i.e. one every seven days).
*'''Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and a # in front of it''' (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*Place new suggestions at '''the bottom''' of the page.
*You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
**If your suggestion is removed because it's invalid or because your week isn't up, it doesn't count as your suggestion for that week. That said, users who constantly post invalid or rapid-fire suggestions may be suspended from suggesting for a few weeks, and may risk [[SW:PROB|probation]].
*Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.
 
===Voting and comments===
*Don't vote on your own suggestion.
*Post '''why''' you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
*The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
*Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
*'''Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself.''' This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.
 
===Acceptance or rejection===
*'''The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights.''' Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
*Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
*Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
**In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
*If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
*Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.
 
=Tips=
*In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
*Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
*While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
*Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
*The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.
 
=Queue=
The current queue is as such:
{{SA Queue}}
Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.
 
When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.
 
The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue attempts to balance out fights so that specific participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.
 
The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.


=Show Your Support=
=Show Your Support=
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<nowiki>{{SA Box}}</nowiki> - Userbox originally made for the Smash Arena by [[User:Squallinoa_08|Squallinoa 08]]. Please, if you wish, place these on your user pages. It will tell you the new fights as they happen.
[[Template:SA Box|<code><nowiki>{{SA Box}}</nowiki></code>]] - Smash Arena userbox; originally by [[User:Squallinoa_08|Squallinoa 08]], modified by [[User:Toomai|Toomai]]. If you wish, place it on your user page. It will tell you the new fights as they happen.
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=Template=
To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts:
<pre>
==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==


=Suggestions=
<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~
Remember, <big>'''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''</big>.


==Link vs. Samus==
A young skilled swordsman with a sword, shield, and a large amount of weapons against a young woman with a technological exoskeleton at her disposal--[[User:Power courage wisdom and time|Power courage wisdom and time]] ([[User talk:Power courage wisdom and time|talk]]) 21:17, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
===Support===
===Support===
#Well, the battle description needs a major rewrite, but I think this will turn out to be quite an interesting battle…the new vs. the old, among other things. '''[[User:RAN1|<font color="darkred">R</font>]][[User talk:RAN1|<font color="navy">A</font>]][[Special:Contributions/RAN1|<font color="darkgreen">N</font>]]1''' 03:38, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
#Their specials are very similar, they're one of the originals, let's give this a chance. <span style="font-family:Harlow Solid Italic;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="green">Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="SKYBLUE">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|<span style='color="blue"'>48</span>]]</span> 00:30, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
#The two biggest projectile users in the series plus they are more than cabaple of fighting up close (at least they could in ''Melee''). Very good matchup.[[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 02:01, April 21, 2010 (UTC)


===Oppose===
===Oppose===
#Have '''nothing''' in common. [[Special:Contributions/98.117.158.220|98.117.158.220]] 03:24, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
#Doesn't appeal to me. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 07:34, January 19, 2010 (UTC)


===Comments===
===Comments===
*I would like to counter the first opposition,
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=Suggestions=


1.They are both projectile smashers.  
==[[Rosalina]] vs. [[Bowser Jr.]]==


2. Both have appeared in all three SSB games.  
Two of the newest characters from the ''Mario'' universe makes it into ''SSB4''. Both have chargeable projectiles which stop dead upon hit. Who will rule 21st century ''Mario''? [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  22:00, 9 December 2017 (EST)


3. Both have varations, Link and Toon Link, Samus and Zero Suit Samus
===Support===
I think it has an interesting idea behind it. It has my vote! [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 15:41, 22 March 2018 (EDT)


Also I'm also open to any new battle description--[[User:Power courage wisdom and time|Power courage wisdom and time]] ([[User talk:Power courage wisdom and time|talk]]) 04:24, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
Sounds like fun! Let's try it! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 07:33, 23 March 2018 (EDT)


:You would have better time saying that Link and '''mario''' would be a better battle. "They are both projectile smashers", "Both have appeared in all three SSB games", and they both also have variations, Toon Link and Dr. Mario. Toon Link cannot be compared to Zamus. At all. The only three things I see in common are
I agree with Crazy Rhino. It's interesting. Why not. Blueflame105
:#The both have recoveries that involve spinning
:#They both have tethers as grabs
:That's all. They're games are different, Metroid being an FPS while LoZ being an RPG. Different personalities, Samus being a bounty hunter while Link being... an explorer? Only suggest something if it's very similar or "parallel"- like Master Hand and Crazy hand. [[Special:Contributions/98.117.158.220|98.117.158.220]] 05:28, January 19, 2010 (UTC)


::Link versus Samus is much more original than Link versus Mario and both their first games were non-linear, also the point is that they are near polar opposites, One is more medieval era and one is futuristic, not to mention they are of about the same age and of different genders. (That is not meant to be takin as a sexist comment.) They were both created to attract a wider fanbase, Link as an RPG and Samus as an First Person shooter. You yourself, have even mentioned two more similiarties. They also both have their own loyal fanbase. Anything else?--[[User:Power courage wisdom and time|Power courage wisdom and time]] ([[User talk:Power courage wisdom and time|talk]]) 01:08, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
Kind of an obvious one. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)


:For the sake of accuracy, the Metroid series is not an FPS. That's the Prime series. I doubt anyone would call ''Metroid Fusion'' an FPS. '''[[User:RAN1|<font color="darkred">R</font>]][[User talk:RAN1|<font color="navy">A</font>]][[Special:Contributions/RAN1|<font color="darkgreen">N</font>]]1''' 01:21, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
===Oppose===
:::Pikmin is futuristic and has a loyal fanbase, but does that mean that Zelda and Pikmin are similar? of course not. Metroid was originaly a sidescroller, Legend of Zelda was not. And them being different genders means nothing. And they are not the same age. Link is a teenages/ young boy and Samus is an adult. Link refers to many people. Samus refers to one. LoZ is not Midevil; they have trains. And their attacks are not similar at the least. [[Special:Contributions/98.117.158.220|98.117.158.220]] 02:14, January 20, 2010 (UTC)


For the sake of my sanity let us refer to Link as the one who appears in Twilight Princess, Since that is the Link the SSBB on is based off of. Pikmin is more cormmical, Zelda and Metroid series have more serious themes to them. Metroid was created from the non-linearity of The Legend of Zelda series and the side-scrolling of Mario. Link is of about the age of 18, no more. Samus is about the age of her younger twenties (???). Pretty close age group. In Twilight Princess, it is obviously medieval there are no trains. Once more with the attacks, projectile smashers, spinning recovery, they grab with an item allowing farther range,  and they're arrow/charge shot can be powered up depending on how long you hold the button. Anymore comments? :P--[[User:Power courage wisdom and time|Power courage wisdom and time]] ([[User talk:Power courage wisdom and time|talk]]) 23:02, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
===Comments===
:Ok. Look. This has gone far enough. It is his personal opinion that they have nothing in common. Others may feel that but there will be some who agree with you. It is the same on lots of battles here. There is no need for an argument about it. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 07:08, January 21, 2010 (UTC)


== Pikachu vs Jigglypuff ==
==[[Bowser]] vs. [[Bowser Jr.]]==
It's the battle of the Koopas! The Koopa King and the Koopa Prince are a royal duo. Who will rule this Koopa brawl between two ''Mario'' universe enemies? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 07:49, 23 March 2018 (EDT)


Battle of the original Pokémon in the Super Smash Bros. series. Pikachu, the electric mouse vs. Jigglypuff, the pink ball. Both were in from the start, rivaling each other as the best Pokémon. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 14:17, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
===Support===
It would be en epic koopa battle. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  19:59, 9 May 2018 (EDT)


===Support===
Sure, why not? [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
#They're smash veterans and they're of the original 150, why not? '''''<span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="cyan ">Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="#007FFF">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>''''' 19:25, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
#Don't mind this idea [[Special:Contributions/220.253.193.221|220.253.193.221]] 09:15, May 10, 2010 (UTC)


===Oppose===
===Oppose===
#Just because they were the two playable pokemon in the original doesn't mean this will be a good matchup, especially since Jigglypuff shouldn't have been in Smash Bros. in the first place (Mewtwo should have been in both the first SSB and in Brawl instead of Jigglypuff). Also, Pikachu and Jigglypuff are far, far , FAR from being even close to being the best pokemon.[[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 02:01, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
I don't know. This seems kind of obvious. I don't think they're different enough. You're entitled to your opinion though. Blueflame105


===Comments===
===Comments===
*For the person who removed this, why? It has not been done before. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 18:05, March 13, 2010 (UTC)


== Shadow vs Grey Fox ==  
==[[Villager]] vs. [[Rosalina]]==
Sonic and Snake have fought and Sonic won. This time, their rivals are gonna fight. Who will be the winner? The rival of Sonic, who has Chaos powers, or the rival of Snake, who is a master at hand to hand combat? --[[User:Megatron1|Megatron1]] ([[User talk:Megatron1|talk]]) 22:23, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
 
Both characters are fun and have a special move that can negate most projectiles (Pocket and Gravitational Pull, respectively) and are both fairly new. Both are newcomers. Who would win? What do you think? [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 16:02, 9 May 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105 3:01, March 9 2018 (American Central Time)


===Support===
===Support===
#This is a good matchup, a battle between the third party assist trophies. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 23:15, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
A great battle for me so, let's give that a try! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 12:15, 10 May 2018 (EDT)
#See above. ''<span style="font-family: Blue Highway Linocut;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="#87CEEB">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="#007FFF ">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>'' 01:48, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
#Would be a good fight. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 11:51, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
This is a great idea. Has my support. YoshisaurusThe9th
#rival fight--[[Special:Contributions/99.75.103.212|99.75.103.212]] 00:00, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 
#I'm all for it [[Special:Contributions/220.253.193.221|220.253.193.221]] 09:15, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
===Oppose===
===Oppose===
I don't really get the connection. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)


===Comment===
===Comments===


== Latios and Latias vs. Kat and Ana ==
==[[Koopalings|Wendy]] vs. [[Lucina]]==


Two teams of two. Latios and Latias - The Pokemon from Pokeballs vs. Kat and Ana - The ninjas from an Assist Trophy. Both have very similar effects but which is best? ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 11:54, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
The only unlockable females in the series. One fights to repair the future, the other fights to take over the world. One is driven and kind, the other is bratty and vicious. Which one reigns supreme? [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)


===Support===
===Support===
#I'll support this fight, even though the winner is rather obvious. They are similar so this a pretty good matchup. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 14:15, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
A nice matchup in my favor. [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
#Many times, I couldn't tell which one it was. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.95.78|98.111.95.78]] 16:16, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
#I like the idea. ''<span style="font-family: Blue Highway Linocut;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="#87CEEB">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="#007FFF ">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>'' 16:55, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
#This could settle the pokemon vs assist trophies thing.--[[User:Megatron1|Megatron1]] ([[User talk:Megatron1|talk]]) 04:01, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
#They do practically the same thing so its evnly matched. [[User:Smash Shadic|<span style="color:red">Smash</span><span style="color:grey">Shadic</span>]] 15:38, April 26 2010 (UTC)
#It'd be like a 2 on 2 battle [[Special:Contributions/220.253.193.221|220.253.193.221]] 09:15, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
#Great idea! I'd want to vote in that!-[[User:Ivy73|Ivy73]] ([[User talk:Ivy73|talk]]) 19:51, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
===Oppose===
===Oppose===
#
Just no. Please no. Also, Wendy isn't unlockable in for Wii U, and neither is Lucina, so that's driven entirely from the 3DS version, right? [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 12:03, 8 June 2018 (EDT) Blueflame105


===Comments===
===Comments===
*
 
== Falcon Punch vs. Warlock Punch==
==[[Lakitu & Spinies]] vs. [[Hammer Bro.]]==
You all knew this was coming. Captain Falcon pulled a manly and quick win in [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:The_Smash_Arena_Character_Battles/Archive_X#Round_47:_Ganondorf_vs._Captain_Falcon Round 47], but now, whose epic punch will win? We've all seen them parodied, meme-fied, and given epic combos/moments throughout the Smash community and YouTube, but now it's ultimately up to the SA to decide which is better. ''<span style="font-family: Blue Highway Linocut;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="#87CEEB">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="#007FFF ">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>'' 02:54, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
 
Two [[Assist Trophies]] from the ''Mario'' series. One throws Spinies, the other throws hammers. Which one is your favorite? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
 
===Support===
===Support===
# Surely these punches would have to square off sooner or later. Plus, there haven't been an attack matchup yet in the Smash Arena. A somewhat obvious, but great matchup. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 03:05, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
It's a cool idea, so I'll support this. I would definitely vote for Hammer Bro. though. I hate going up against Lakitu. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 12:04, 8 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
#Good matchup, but I don't know how it would appear in the arena. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.95.78|98.111.95.78]] 03:42, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
#Although I think it is too similar, I will borderline Support it. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 08:51, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
#Good matchup, but how does it appear in the arena?--[[User:Megatron1|Megatron1]] ([[User talk:Megatron1|talk]]) 04:37, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
#I'd like to see how this would turn out [[Special:Contributions/220.253.193.221|220.253.193.221]] 09:15, May 10, 2010 (UTC)


===Oppose===
===Oppose===
# ....
Rematches are uninteresting in general, especially now that we're going to have 5 ''Smash'' games and now, there are more ''Mario'' based assists. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
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Not saying it couldn't happen as it was more than 100 matches ago, but discovered this same matchup with their Brawl incarnations in the archives. While I do like this matchup and fully support it, it does say you aren't likely to get a repeat unless people really want a different result or it was a tie. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 19:06, 6 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105


==[[Mario Circuit (SSB4)]] vs. [[Rainbow Road]]==


3, 2, 1... GO! Two stages from ''{{iw|mariowiki|Mario Kart|series}}'' battle it out in a race to the finish. One is from ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 8}}'' and ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 8 Deluxe}}'', the other is from ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 7}}''. Who will take the checkered flag in this match? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 01:10, 17 June 2018 (EDT)


== Green Hill Zone vs 75m==  
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Sonic and Mario have been good rivals since they debut and even fought before in the Smash Arena, with Mario being the winner. This time, the game stages they debuted in are going to fight. Which stage will win, Green Hill Zone, which started the Sonic Franchise and has the deadly signpost, or 75M, (which tecnically isn't the debut stage but is one of the levels from the game) which started the Mario Franchise and has Donkey Kong?--[[User:Megatron1|Megatron1]] ([[User talk:Megatron1|talk]]) 14:01, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
Great Idea in my opinion.
[[User: CaptainDabsalot|CaptainDabsalot]] Or [[User Talk: CaptainDabsalot|The SavageCow]] 6/22/18 11:04 CST


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[[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
#The battle of the two retro stages! Good idea. ''<span style="font-family: Blue Highway Linocut;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="#87CEEB">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="#007FFF ">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>'' 15:52, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
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#Will be good. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 16:11, April 25, 2010 (UTC) 
 
#mario and sonic stages--[[Special:Contributions/99.75.103.212|99.75.103.212]] 00:00, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
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#Interesting [[Special:Contributions/220.253.193.221|220.253.193.221]] 09:15, May 10, 2010 (UTC)


===Oppose===
==[[Daisy]] vs. [[Inkling]] vs. [[Ridley]]==
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Also, Megatron1:[[SW:SIGN]], please take note of it, your sig is violating policy. ''<span style="font-family: Blue Highway Linocut;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="#87CEEB">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="#007FFF ">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>'' 15:52, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


==Lugia (SSBM) vs. Kyogre (SSBB) ==
The first three newcomers announced for SSBU. Which noob gets the most hype? ...Wait a second... [[Forum:Smash_Arena/Archive_40#Villager_vs._Wii_Fit_Trainer_vs._Mega_Man|hasn't something like this been done before?]] [[User:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">infernape]][[User talk:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">612</span>]]</span> 20:17, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
Lugia was arguably the best pokemon in ''Melee'', being capable of OHKOing anything with its aeroblast. Even simply touching it could KO at shockingly low percentages. Kyogre is arguably the best pokemon in ''Brawl'', being much more than just a bigger water gun. It relentlessly follows and hydro pumps the opponent away until they are dead. If Kyogre locks on to you, even if you're Meta Knight, you're basically dead unless you are playing in a ridiculously large stage. Both pokemon have the ability to KO anyone at 0% and they are even capable of KOing the same opponent twice. But who will go down in ''Smash Bros.'' history as the greatest pokeball pokemon of all time? [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 15:46, April 26, 2010 (UTC)


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#Both are legendary mascots of their games, respectively, and both have aquatic abilities that include swimming and Hydro Pump. I like this idea. Oh, and <big>Lugia (SSBB)*.</big> <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">BNK</span>]]</font><sup> <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Special:EditCount/Blue Ninjakoopa|E]]|[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Blue Ninjakoopa|C]]]</sup> 22:12, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
I mean... yeah. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 20:42, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
#Pokémon Soulsilver and Sapphire are awesome, and so is this suggestion. ''<span style="font-family: Blue Highway Linocut;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="#87CEEB">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="#007FFF ">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>'' 22:55, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
#2 pokemon that can OHKO if you aren't skilled enough to dodge it.--[[User:Megatron1|Megatron1]] ([[User talk:Megatron1|talk]]) 00:03, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
#Would be an interesting battle [[Special:Contributions/220.253.193.221|220.253.193.221]] 09:15, May 10, 2010 (UTC)


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ABSOLUTELY! Ultimate looks really good. Counting down the days till December 9th..... [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 22:30, 21 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
#I don't see too many similarities apart from the fact they both own every one. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 20:36, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
#Sorry, but Kyogre (the whale one, right?) never seemed to damage me much. It's pretty easy to dodge, at least for me. I've never played melee, but I'm guessing Lugia is much more powerful there. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.95.78|98.111.95.78]] 00:02, April 27, 2010 (UTC)


===Comment===
The only time such matchup is valid. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
*It is specifically Lugia from ''Melee'' since Lugia was nerfed in every aspect in ''Brawl'' and this is supposed to be a battle between the best pokeball pokemon of their respective games. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 22:51, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
**But that throws everything off balance. :( <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">BNK</span>]]</font><sup> <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Special:EditCount/Blue Ninjakoopa|E]]|[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Blue Ninjakoopa|C]]]</sup> 22:55, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
***And how is that? We could use more ''Melee'' vs. ''Brawl'' matchups. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 23:22, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
****Lugia is in ''Brawl''! <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">BNK</span>]]</font><sup> <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Special:EditCount/Blue Ninjakoopa|E]]|[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Blue Ninjakoopa|C]]]</sup> 23:49, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
*****I know that, but this is a ''Melee'' vs. ''Brawl'' matchup. In my opinion, Lugia was the best pokemon in ''Melee'' and Kyogre is the best pokemon in ''Brawl''. Therefore, this is a matchup to see who was the best pokeball pokemon in the ''SSB'' series. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 00:02, April 27, 2010 (UTC)


Love it! That one is going to be awesome! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 13:07, 29 July 2018 (EDT)


== Peach vs. Bowser ==
Peach, sick of being kidnapped all the time by an oversized turtle, has stepped up to the arena. Will the parasol-weilding princess pull through, or will Mario have to take her home in a plastic baggie this time?
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#Villians never think about this situation.--[[User:Megatron1|Megatron1]] ([[User talk:Megatron1|talk]]) 22:49, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
#A big bad monster vs a Damsel in distress? I like the idea of Peach's revenge. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 05:31, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
#Cool idea! ''<span style="font-family: Blue Highway Linocut;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="#87CEEB">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="#007FFF ">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>'' 02:46, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
#I don't see why not [[Special:Contributions/220.253.193.221|220.253.193.221]] 09:15, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
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===Oppose===
#I'll have to oppose, there are many good suggestions lately and this is certainly the lesser of them. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 01:25, April 30, 2010 (UTC)


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==Bowser vs. King Dedede==
 
One is known as the King of Koopas, the other is known as the King of Dreamland. Both kings command massive armies of ineffective minions. Both kings are greedy and out of shape. Both kings are not always serious and sometimes play more of a comedic role rather than a villainous one. Both kings also have forward smashes of extreme power, which were also each the strongest smash attack in ''Smash Brothers'' at one time (Bowser in ''Melee'', King Dedede in ''Brawl''). But which king is superior and have the king of forward smashes; is it the fire breathing mutated koopa or the jolly hammer wielding penguin? [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 21:03, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
==[[Kirby (SSB4)|Kirby]] Vs. [[Jigglypuff (SSB4)| Jigglypuff]]==
 
Pink. Puffy. Powerful. Wait, which one am I talking about? It's pink puffball on pink puffball in this puffball brawl. Both are floaty, pink, and overall competitively useless! Both of their up specials can hinder their recoveries, but can jump a lot (maybe too much) so it's all good. It's the ULTIMATE BATTLE! What's that? You say it's not? Well then, [[Kirby]] or [[Jigglypuff]]. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 08:53, 22 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105


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#Now that's a good suggestion. ''<span style="font-family: Blue Highway Linocut;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="#87CEEB">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="#007FFF ">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>'' 21:39, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
#Seems a good idea. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 11:39, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
#Good idea.--[[User:Megatron1|Megatron1]] ([[User talk:Megatron1|talk]]) 01:30, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
#Stroke of genius.-[[User:Ivy73|Ivy73]] ([[User talk:Ivy73|talk]]) 20:11, June 1, 2010 (UTC)


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===Oppose===
This match was already done in a lopsided result. Also I noticed that much of your contributions have been Smash Arena related and we're currently on a Red wiki status and spending to much time in the Smash Arena without contributing to the mainspace can result in an IP block (or probation if you're a registered user). [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is bad for me  18:52, 23 July 2018 (EDT)


===Comments===
===Comments===
I apologize. I was not aware of this, and will refrain from doing Smash Arena things, at least until wiki status lowers. I have been attempting tobe more helpful on the wiki, but overall, I'm not good at it. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 22:51, 25 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
==[[Cloud Strife]] Vs. [[Solid Snake]]==
While these two super soldiers are largely considered Playstation classics, they've found there way into Nintendo's big crossover. Both may take some stuff through cloning (Cloud has Zack's memories and abilities, Snake is a literal clone of Big Boss) but who comes out on top? Btw, they're both relatively mature for Nintendo titles --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 21:19, 11 August 2018 (EDT)
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I nearly removed this suggestion because I thought it involved an ''Ultimate'' character, then I found out Cloud was in ''SSB4''. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  22:42, 11 August 2018 (EDT)


== Auroros vs Koopa ==
They are great characters in both ''Smash 4'' and ''Ultimate'' so, let's do it! By the way, Cloud's debut game is ''Final Fantasy VII'', while ''Metal Gear Solid'' is Snake's first game. [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 15:23, 23 August 2018 (EDT)


These two enemies both appear in Subspace Emissary and can become items, but who will be the dominant enemy? Will it be the flying Auroros from Subspace? Or will it be the Koopa, famed for it's shell and appearance in Bowser's army? --[[User:Megatron1|Megatron1]] ([[User talk:Megatron1|talk]]) 22:42, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
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==[[Battlefield]] Vs. [[Big Battlefield]]==
#They're pretty annoying as well. ''<span style="font-family: Blue Highway Linocut;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="#87CEEB">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="#007FFF ">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>'' 02:46, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
Pretty simple idea. Battlefield vs its big bro. --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 12:05, 28 December 2018 (EST)


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#I don't really like it and they don't appear to have too many similarities other than that. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 13:40, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
Not a bad idea. <span style="color:lightblue">Everone123</span> ([[User:Everone123|userpage]] • [[User talk:Everone123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Everone123|contribs]]) 22:15, 7 January 2019 (EST)
#Use an enemy from a non-smash game and this idea would be good [[Special:Contributions/220.253.193.221|220.253.193.221]] 09:15, May 10, 2010 (UTC)


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== Tails vs Luigi ==
No contest. Big Battlefield wins (Bigger means better). Try coming up with something else. --[[User:JackyBlooo|JackyBlooo]] ([[User talk:JackyBlooo|talk]]) 08:52, 3 January 2019 (EST)


These two allies of Sonic and Mario (respectivley) have had small roles in the past and bigger ones now. Which of these 2 will win? Tails, the flying fox who helps Sonic, or will Luigi, the brother of Mario who posseses the same skils as Mario.--[[User:Megatron1|Megatron1]] ([[User talk:Megatron1|talk]]) 13:48, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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== [[Luigi's Mansion]] vs. [[Dracula's Castle]] ==
#Good idea [[Special:Contributions/220.253.193.221|220.253.193.221]] 09:15, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
#Me too. ''<span style="font-family: Blue Highway Linocut;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="#87CEEB">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="#007FFF ">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>'' 21:39, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
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#You can play as Luigi. You can't play as Tails. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 05:40, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
#I'll have to oppose, they don't play the same role. Luigi isn't Mario's sidekick and never played a supportive role in any Mario game with the exception of ''Super Mario Galaxy''. Even then, he was playable in it in his own (very slightly different) story. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 03:45, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
#Agreed with everyone above. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 19:46, May 16, 2010 (UTC)


===Comments===
Two locations, one being a haunted mansion in the middle of a spooky forest that is home to a green-clad  plumber, the other being a giant castle on the outskirts of Transylvania that is home to an evil vampire, both places equally spooky. --[[User:JackyBlooo|JackyBlooo]] ([[User talk:JackyBlooo|talk]]) 08:56, 3 January 2019 (EST)
== Amy Rose vs Peach ==


Sonic's and Mario's girls. Who will come out victorious, Amy, the pink- haired hedgehog, or Peach, the pink princess. Will it be team Mario or Team Sonic in the end?
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I think another fun connection is Dracula's Castle used to replace Luigi's Mansion in PM. --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 18:32, 19 January 2019 (EST)


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This is my kind of battle! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 18:35, 19 January 2019 (EST)


===Oppose===
Yeah both places can be considered scary places. It would make a perfect battle. [[File:George Jones.jpg|25px]] [[User:Corrin Fan|Corrin Fan]] [[File:Walls Can Fall.jpg|25px]] 14:25, 21 January 2019 (EST)
#'''Oppose''': Just like the above fight, they do not have similar roles. You do not have to rescue Amy Rose in any of the Sonic Games. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 19:47, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
#Same reason as above, but these two are also the Sonic and Mario character I loath the most. I just really can't stand either of them and I believe it would be a waste of a fight with these two. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 19:55, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
#Peach is playable. Amy isn't even an assist trophy and is unplayable. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 20:48, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
#Amy really only appeared as a trophy in Smash Bros., compared to Peach's installment a playable character in two games, so... ''<span style="font-family: Blue Highway Linocut;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="#87CEEB">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="#007FFF ">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>'' 21:05, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
#My idea got rejected and it's like this one.--[[User:Megatron1|Megatron1]] ([[User talk:Megatron1|talk]]) 00:38, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
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== Ness vs Captain Falcon ==
Seems like a fun idea. [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)
I don't know if this has been done before, but it should have. They're both unlockables in SSB, starters in Melee, and once again unlockable in Brawl. They both come from series that were not very well known (although Ness' was slightly more popular), but both are now very popular on the internet. Who will win, the psychic or the manliest man in the universe? [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 19:52, May 16, 2010 (UTC)


===Support===
Giving this a vote since the current arena seriously needs to end already. Also the PM trivia is neat.<span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 09:15, August 31, 2019 (EDT)
#Well they were both rather unknown before ''Smash Brothers'' and unlike most smashers, they are such well known today because of ''Smash Brothers''. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 20:02, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
#Any fight with Captain Falcon is automatically manly, and OT gave a pretty good reason as well . ''<span style="font-family: Blue Highway Linocut;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="#87CEEB">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="#007FFF ">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>'' 21:05, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
#Mr. Anon just changed my vote by saying that.--[[User:Megatron1|Megatron1]] ([[User talk:Megatron1|talk]]) 03:28, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
===Oppose===
#Umm, a big, muscular man versus a small child. The big muscular man can practically kill with one punch. I don't really like it. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 20:47, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
#Bad. <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">BNK</span>]]</font><sup> <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Special:EditCount/Blue Ninjakoopa|E]]|[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Blue Ninjakoopa|C]]]</sup> 22:33, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
#Okay, really? Are those the only similarities you have?-[[User:Ivy73|Ivy73]] ([[User talk:Ivy73|talk]]) 20:06, June 1, 2010 (UTC)


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I know at first Ness looks wimpy, but that's kinda part of his charm. He looks like some little kid, but then his pyschic powers devastate you. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 02:25, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
=== Comment ===


== Barbara vs Konga Beat ==
==[[Bayonetta]] vs. [[Joker]]==


These 2 skills have the same effect, but which music attack will win?--[[User:Megatron1|Megatron1]] ([[User talk:Megatron1|talk]]) 02:48, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
Both are black clad, gun wielding, Sega owned (well, kinda for Joker), DLC fighters. But which one will come out on top? [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)


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===Support===
#Hmm, an assistat trophy versus attack but strangely, I will support this. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 15:32, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
* Bayonetta and Joker are extremely similar, this battle could make a difference. [[File:Derekblue1SigHead1.png|20px|link=]] [[User:Derekblue1|<span style="color:#20B2AA;">'''Derekblue1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Derekblue1|<span style="color:#20B2AA;">(talk)</span>]] [[File:Derekblue1SigHead2.png|20px|link=]] 09:54, April 15, 2020 (EDT)
#WHat SG said, they function similar and they both have good music. '''''<span style="font-family:Chiller;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="maroon">--REAPER </font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="maroon">OF HAVOC</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>''''' 00:52, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


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== Roy vs Marth ==
==[[Mario]] vs. [[Donkey Kong]] vs. [[Pacman]]==


These 2 Fire Emblem stars have debuted in the Smash Series in SSBM. After being removed, Roy has decided to fight Marth to see who is better and who deserves to appear in the next SSB game. Who will win?--[[User:Megatron1|Megatron1]] ([[User talk:Megatron1|talk]]) 01:01, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
All three are iconic fighters who were huge hits in the early 1980s, shoot projectiles, and are great at rescuing people. But things have been bubbling around Peach since Wii U, and there is only one way to settle things. Which will get the princess? [[User:Met3oR|Met3oR]] ([[User talk:Met3oR|talk]]) 22:17, April 13, 2020


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#There was a Roy vs. Ike, but now Roy must face his own clone in the SA! Good idea. '''''<span style="font-family:Chiller;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="maroon">--REAPER </font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="maroon">OF HAVOC</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>''''' 01:03, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
#Why hasn't this been yet? ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span> <span style="color:red">Solar</span> <span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:gold">Talk</span>]])</sup></span>☆ 06:08, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
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==Palutena's Army vs Waddle Dee Army==
After seeing Pit use his Final Smash, King Dedede has decided to get his army to duke it out with Palutena's. Whose army will win in the end?--[[User:Megatron1|Megatron1]] ([[User talk:Megatron1|talk]]) 16:26, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
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===Support===
#I'd easily see this in the arena some day. '''<span style="font-family:Chiller;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="maroon">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="maroon">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>''' 20:16, June 1, 2010 (UTC)


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# ....


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==King Dedede vs. Meta Knight==
==[[Pikachu]] vs. [[Lucas]]==
Kirby's biggest frenemies finally duke it out! Will King Dedede wallop Meta Knight into oblivion? Or will Meta Knight slash his way to victory?--[[User:Ivy73|Ivy73]] ([[User talk:Ivy73|talk]]) 20:05, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
Both have the power of Thor. [[User:Met3oR|Met3oR]] ([[User talk:Met3oR|talk]]) 14:38, May 09, 2020
 
===Support===
===Support===
# .....
 
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===Oppose===
#Uh... notrly. '''<span style="font-family:Chiller;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="maroon">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="maroon">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>''' 20:16, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
#Ditto. Also, does the "..." count as a support?--[[User:Megatron1|Megatron1]] ([[User talk:Megatron1|talk]]) 22:32, June 1, 2010 (UTC)


===Comments===
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*Quick heads up, the wiki's Smash Arena has been discontinued in favor of the Discord server's. The suggestions should go there instead. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 11:15, May 9, 2020 (EDT)

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Forums: Index → Smash Arena → Smash Arena Suggestions


An icon used in notice templates. NOTE: Smash Arena is now on our Discord. Please take your suggestions there.

This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the Smash Arena. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

Rules[edit]

Posting suggestions[edit]

  • Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
    • Outside very specific circumstances, no fights are allowed between combatants that only appear in a game (or a batch of downloadable content) that has yet to be released.
  • If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
  • Check this list to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred 100 or more rounds ago. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
  • Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post one suggestion per week (i.e. one every seven days).
  • Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with ~~~~ and a # in front of it (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with ~~~~).
  • Place new suggestions at the bottom of the page.
  • You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
    • If your suggestion is removed because it's invalid or because your week isn't up, it doesn't count as your suggestion for that week. That said, users who constantly post invalid or rapid-fire suggestions may be suspended from suggesting for a few weeks, and may risk probation.
  • Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.

Voting and comments[edit]

  • Don't vote on your own suggestion.
  • Post why you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
  • The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
  • Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
  • Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself. This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.

Acceptance or rejection[edit]

  • The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights. Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
  • Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
  • Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
    • In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
  • If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
  • Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.

Tips[edit]

  • In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
  • Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
  • While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
  • Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
  • The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.

Queue[edit]

The current queue is as such:

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Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue attempts to balance out fights so that specific participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

Show Your Support[edit]

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{{SA Box}} - Smash Arena userbox; originally by Squallinoa 08, modified by Toomai. If you wish, place it on your user page. It will tell you the new fights as they happen.

Template[edit]

To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts: 

==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

===Support===

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===Comments===

Suggestions[edit]

Rosalina vs. Bowser Jr.[edit]

Two of the newest characters from the Mario universe makes it into SSB4. Both have chargeable projectiles which stop dead upon hit. Who will rule 21st century Mario? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 22:00, 9 December 2017 (EST)

Support[edit]

I think it has an interesting idea behind it. It has my vote! Crazy456Rhino (talk) 15:41, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

Sounds like fun! Let's try it! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 07:33, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

I agree with Crazy Rhino. It's interesting. Why not. Blueflame105

Kind of an obvious one. TheNuttyOne 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

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Bowser vs. Bowser Jr.[edit]

It's the battle of the Koopas! The Koopa King and the Koopa Prince are a royal duo. Who will rule this Koopa brawl between two Mario universe enemies? Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 07:49, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

It would be en epic koopa battle. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 19:59, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

Sure, why not? TheNuttyOne 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

Oppose[edit]

I don't know. This seems kind of obvious. I don't think they're different enough. You're entitled to your opinion though. Blueflame105

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Villager vs. Rosalina[edit]

Both characters are fun and have a special move that can negate most projectiles (Pocket and Gravitational Pull, respectively) and are both fairly new. Both are newcomers. Who would win? What do you think? 72.133.91.93 16:02, 9 May 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105 3:01, March 9 2018 (American Central Time)

Support[edit]

A great battle for me so, let's give that a try! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 12:15, 10 May 2018 (EDT)

This is a great idea. Has my support. YoshisaurusThe9th

Oppose[edit]

I don't really get the connection. TheNuttyOne 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

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Wendy vs. Lucina[edit]

The only unlockable females in the series. One fights to repair the future, the other fights to take over the world. One is driven and kind, the other is bratty and vicious. Which one reigns supreme? TheNuttyOne 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

A nice matchup in my favor. Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

Oppose[edit]

Just no. Please no. Also, Wendy isn't unlockable in for Wii U, and neither is Lucina, so that's driven entirely from the 3DS version, right? 72.133.91.93 12:03, 8 June 2018 (EDT) Blueflame105

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Lakitu & Spinies vs. Hammer Bro.[edit]

Two Assist Trophies from the Mario series. One throws Spinies, the other throws hammers. Which one is your favorite? Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

It's a cool idea, so I'll support this. I would definitely vote for Hammer Bro. though. I hate going up against Lakitu. 72.133.91.93 12:04, 8 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Oppose[edit]

Rematches are uninteresting in general, especially now that we're going to have 5 Smash games and now, there are more Mario based assists. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

Comments[edit]

Not saying it couldn't happen as it was more than 100 matches ago, but discovered this same matchup with their Brawl incarnations in the archives. While I do like this matchup and fully support it, it does say you aren't likely to get a repeat unless people really want a different result or it was a tie. 72.133.91.93 19:06, 6 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Mario Circuit (SSB4) vs. Rainbow Road[edit]

3, 2, 1... GO! Two stages from Mario Kart battle it out in a race to the finish. One is from Mario Kart 8 and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, the other is from Mario Kart 7. Who will take the checkered flag in this match? Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 01:10, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

Great Idea in my opinion. CaptainDabsalot Or The SavageCow 6/22/18 11:04 CST

ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

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Daisy vs. Inkling vs. Ridley[edit]

The first three newcomers announced for SSBU. Which noob gets the most hype? ...Wait a second... hasn't something like this been done before? infernape612 20:17, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

I mean... yeah. TheNuttyOne 20:42, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

ABSOLUTELY! Ultimate looks really good. Counting down the days till December 9th..... 72.133.91.93 22:30, 21 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

The only time such matchup is valid. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

Love it! That one is going to be awesome! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 13:07, 29 July 2018 (EDT)

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Kirby Vs. Jigglypuff[edit]

Pink. Puffy. Powerful. Wait, which one am I talking about? It's pink puffball on pink puffball in this puffball brawl. Both are floaty, pink, and overall competitively useless! Both of their up specials can hinder their recoveries, but can jump a lot (maybe too much) so it's all good. It's the ULTIMATE BATTLE! What's that? You say it's not? Well then, Kirby or Jigglypuff. 72.133.91.93 08:53, 22 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

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This match was already done in a lopsided result. Also I noticed that much of your contributions have been Smash Arena related and we're currently on a Red wiki status and spending to much time in the Smash Arena without contributing to the mainspace can result in an IP block (or probation if you're a registered user). ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 18:52, 23 July 2018 (EDT)

Comments[edit]

I apologize. I was not aware of this, and will refrain from doing Smash Arena things, at least until wiki status lowers. I have been attempting tobe more helpful on the wiki, but overall, I'm not good at it. 72.133.91.93 22:51, 25 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Cloud Strife Vs. Solid Snake[edit]

While these two super soldiers are largely considered Playstation classics, they've found there way into Nintendo's big crossover. Both may take some stuff through cloning (Cloud has Zack's memories and abilities, Snake is a literal clone of Big Boss) but who comes out on top? Btw, they're both relatively mature for Nintendo titles --Myth Myth Kirby.png 21:19, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

Support[edit]

I nearly removed this suggestion because I thought it involved an Ultimate character, then I found out Cloud was in SSB4. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 22:42, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

They are great characters in both Smash 4 and Ultimate so, let's do it! By the way, Cloud's debut game is Final Fantasy VII, while Metal Gear Solid is Snake's first game. Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 15:23, 23 August 2018 (EDT)

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Battlefield Vs. Big Battlefield[edit]

Pretty simple idea. Battlefield vs its big bro. --Myth Myth Kirby.png 12:05, 28 December 2018 (EST)

Support[edit]

Not a bad idea. Everone123 (userpage • talk • contribs) 22:15, 7 January 2019 (EST)

Oppose[edit]

No contest. Big Battlefield wins (Bigger means better). Try coming up with something else. --JackyBlooo (talk) 08:52, 3 January 2019 (EST)

Comments[edit]

Luigi's Mansion vs. Dracula's Castle[edit]

Two locations, one being a haunted mansion in the middle of a spooky forest that is home to a green-clad plumber, the other being a giant castle on the outskirts of Transylvania that is home to an evil vampire, both places equally spooky. --JackyBlooo (talk) 08:56, 3 January 2019 (EST)

Support[edit]

I think another fun connection is Dracula's Castle used to replace Luigi's Mansion in PM. --Myth Myth Kirby.png 18:32, 19 January 2019 (EST)

This is my kind of battle! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 18:35, 19 January 2019 (EST)

Yeah both places can be considered scary places. It would make a perfect battle. George Jones.jpg Corrin Fan Walls Can Fall.jpg 14:25, 21 January 2019 (EST)

Seems like a fun idea. Crazy456Rhino (talk) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)

Giving this a vote since the current arena seriously needs to end already. Also the PM trivia is neat. Supα Toαd 64, The Best MK64ToadCSP.jpg 09:15, August 31, 2019 (EDT)

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Bayonetta vs. Joker[edit]

Both are black clad, gun wielding, Sega owned (well, kinda for Joker), DLC fighters. But which one will come out on top? Crazy456Rhino (talk) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)

Support[edit]

  • Bayonetta and Joker are extremely similar, this battle could make a difference. Derekblue1SigHead1.png Derekblue1 (talk) Derekblue1SigHead2.png 09:54, April 15, 2020 (EDT)

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Mario vs. Donkey Kong vs. Pacman[edit]

All three are iconic fighters who were huge hits in the early 1980s, shoot projectiles, and are great at rescuing people. But things have been bubbling around Peach since Wii U, and there is only one way to settle things. Which will get the princess? Met3oR (talk) 22:17, April 13, 2020

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Pikachu vs. Lucas[edit]

Both have the power of Thor. Met3oR (talk) 14:38, May 09, 2020

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Comments[edit]

  • Quick heads up, the wiki's Smash Arena has been discontinued in favor of the Discord server's. The suggestions should go there instead. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 11:15, May 9, 2020 (EDT)
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