Talk:Kirby (SSB4)

Inhale? Really?

The page says he retains Inhale. I've looked everywhere, where's some picture proof of Inhale? (Un-User) 72.106.158.15 13:09, 28 January 2014 (EST)

I was also wondering about this. While I'm 101% sure Inhale will be returning, we shouldn't put it in the article without direct confirmation. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 13:48, 23 February 2014 (EST)

The Custom Move Sets explanation shows a modified version that freezes opponents. Hopefully hats are still in. --Headcase (talk) 00:59, 13 April 2014 (EDT)

Hats have been confirmed via screenshot, actually. I should probably put it in the article. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 01:55, 13 April 2014 (EDT)

Iv heard that Kirby's Final Smash isn't cook anymore but something like Ultra Sword BTW not 100% official --Reshiram1105 (talk) 20:32, 23 May 2014 (EDT)

It is. --EpicWendigo (talk) 20:34, 23 May 2014 (EDT)

New Down Special revealed in Nintendo Treehouse

Kirby had a custom Down Special called Hammer Bash revealed in the Nintendo Treehouse section about Smash Run. Shouldn't we update the article with this information? http://gfycat.com/DimpledGiddyAcornbarnacle —Preceding unsigned comment added by Truth (talk • contribs) 13:28, June 13, 2014 (CDT)

Why is Hammer Bash listed as a down special move? Lumastar (talk)

Because it's listed as a down special in the video. I'm assuming it either involves Kirby falling downward with his hammer held spinning below him (known as Hammer Twirl in the Kirby games), or it's a bug. Either way, we can't speculate in the article, so writing it as it is in the official video is all we can do. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 01:57, 25 June 2014 (EDT)

Listen I have a friend whose father works at Nintendo, I asked him a question about why the custom moves are like that. His father responded to him that they are working on those glitches. So Hammer Bash can be a side special and not a down special. Also custom moves are rip off variations of both name and move (Except Palutena and Mii Fighters). The Smash Brotha (talk) 12:34, 29 July 2014 (EDT)

It's incredibly likely that the Specials were mis-labeled, but we have no solid proof of it yet, and your "friend" who's father works at nintendo is not a reliable source. Also, what do you mean by "rip-off variations"? What move would Stagnant Shuriken rip-off? Or Melee Charge Shot? Also, Smash Wiki is not Speculative, so keep this info on this page. Laikue (talk) 14:50, 29 July 2014 (EDT)

Stagnant Shuriken = Water Shuriken. Melee Charge Shot = Charge Shot. What I mean by "rip-off variations" I mean by both move and name. An example is something like Mario's neutral special "Fireball" being something like "Fast Fireball" or "Fire Orb." Another example is Donkey Kong's neutral special "Giant Punch" being something like "Storm Punch". I'm not being speculative I'm telling the truth. The Smash Brotha (talk) 10:12, 30 July 2014 (EDT)

Confirmed Changed

What about his bair, it appears to deal 13% or 14% damage, shouldn't it be listed in the "have slightly improved damage" buff? Smash Master 21:16, 6 August 2014 (EDT)

Custom Moves Confirmed in Japanese Mini-Direct 8/29/2014

As edited in Character_customization#Kirby, Kirby's custom special moves have been confirmed at least in Japanese. Perhaps the Hammer Bash previously described might be Side Custom 2, "Giant Hammer". - Guest 101.114.54.52 22:04, 29 August 2014 (EDT)

I finished the game

I got all the custom moves for Kirby, mii's (all 3), Metanight, Mario, Luigi, rest of starter characters and Dr.Mario .--Reshiram1105 (talk) 08:33, 13 October 2014 (EDT)

Congrats man, but this isn't appropriate talk for a talk page. Gpev96 (SHAZAM!) (talk) 09:18, 14 October 2014 (EDT)

Revision all Differences

In v1.0.4, Kirby's Side and Down Smashes do 1% more base damage than they did before. Should we make note of this?

Those attacks seem to deal the same amount of damage as before when I looked at the damage values. LimitCrown (talk) 16:42, 18 November 2014 (EST)

Time Up Air Drop Invisibility Bug

It seems that, at least in the 3DS version, if Kirby is offscreen when the match ends as the result of using his up throw, him and his victim will become invisible for the remainder of the post-game slo-mo if they come back into view. Interestingly, his Copy Ability hat doesn't become invisible, even if it was taken from the victim of the throw (who does). I don't know if similar things occur with similar up throws (such as Meta Knight's or Charizard's), or whether or not this occurs in the Wii U version at all.

Was this bug already known? Should it be posted in this article, or any other article? ♡FirstaLasto♥ 00:20, 2 January 2015 (EST)

Okay, turns out this bug is actually universal (at least in the 3DS version). Everyone character will become invisible if they go offscreen after the match ends but before the results screen. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 23:48, 16 January 2015 (EST)

The Names of Kirby's Attacks

Why can't the known names of Kirby's attacks be added? Like Mega Man, his attacks have been named in the series of games from which he came. LimitCrown (talk) 13:51, 24 February 2015 (EST)

Except Mega Man's are officially named in a Smash context in the April 2014 Smash Direct. You can mention the origin of Kirby's moves in the rightmost column, but not in the name column unless you have an official Smash source identifying them by name. Miles (talk) 14:04, 24 February 2015 (EST)

Hypothetically, if none of Mega Man's moves besides his special moves were named by an official Smash source, would they still have names like they do right now? If so, then I'm not sure why none of Kirby's regular attacks can be named in the table. LimitCrown (talk) 16:40, 24 February 2015 (EST)

They would get notes about their origin the way the page for Mr. Game & Watch has them. The name column is 100% only for things with names confirmed within the context of Smash; naming in their home series isn't enough. Miles (talk) 16:54, 24 February 2015 (EST)

None of Mr. Game & Watch's attacks besides his special moves have been given an official name in either the series of games from which he originated or Smash Bros., though. LimitCrown (talk) 04:16, 26 February 2015 (EST)

You're missing the point. Unless official Smash material has named the move like Mega Man's moves in the Direct, Lightning Kick, Knee Smash, etc., we're not listing a name in the name column. That is not a policy that I see any reason to change. Miles (talk) 12:29, 26 February 2015 (EST)

Alpharad? Notable Player?

Please remove Alpharad from "notable players". He has hardly any tournament results and is only known for memes related to smash rather than his smash skill. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.188.108 (talk • contribs) 00:38 21 August 2015 (EDT)

To Aardvarkian

Give me one good reason why that should be in the trivia. Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 13:57, 20 January 2016 (EST)

Well, it's noteworthy. It's something unusual that happens to Kirby's model. It's verifiable, as indicated by the photos you uploaded. It's detailed in text, both the means of achieving and the results acquired. It doesn't really fit with any other part of the article - the attributes, changes from Brawl, update history, moveset, in competitive play, trophies, in event matches, alternate costumes, or gallery - and since they are miscellaneous facts about the character in the game, they belong there. Aardvarkian (Talk • Contributions) 14:01, 20 January 2016 (EST)

In addition, glitches like that are undeserving of their own section. My reasoning is that they do not affect the gameplay. One is a minor aesthetic change in Kirby's eyes, and the other is a case of graphic clipping in the training mode under specific circumstances. Now if they were glitches of larger scale, of far greater graphical or gameplay impact, maybe, just maybe, it'd be enough to warrant its own section. But these two? They're best off in Trivia. Do you understand? Aardvarkian (Talk • Contributions) 14:05, 20 January 2016 (EST)

1. The second one is not something unusual with Kirby's model; something like the fact that Brawl Ganon goes into a T-pose for a short time after using his Final Smash is. Something like Wolf's arm becoming detached in certain circumstances is.
2. Exactly, it doesn't fit the rest of the article, so therefore, it gets its own section on the page.
3. You're going to tell me that glitches are undeserving of sections when multiple smaller glitches have their own pages?

Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 14:12, 20 January 2016 (EST)

If it doesn't fit with the rest of the article, why do you think it gets its own section? That's not the only possibility - it could get its own section, its own page, or go into the Trivia. Why are you thinking with the supposition that it MUST get its own section? You've given no reason other than that's where you think it should go. Also, what does glitches having their own pages have to do with them getting their own sections? How does that lead to the other? There's no connecting of logic I'm seeing here. I'm saying that, yes, it doesn't fit in with the rest of the article, and have given reasons for it to be relocated to Trivia. From what I see, you have given no reason to relocate it to its own section other than that you want it relocated to its own section. Aardvarkian (Talk • Contributions) 14:17, 20 January 2016 (EST)

It fits the Trivia criteria perfectly. You've probably read SW:TRIVIA. Aardvarkian (Talk • Contributions) 14:19, 20 January 2016 (EST)

(Reset indent) Ok, you want logic? Let's use logic.

1. Trivia is used for interesting facts that one might find, i.e., "Wendy O. Koopa is the first female villain in Smash". It wouldn't be for something like a glitch.
2. Why do I keep bringing up glitches as pages? Because pages are more than a section; instead of one part of a page, it's a whole page. So if something isn't worth being a section, it's not worth being a page.
3. It's been its own section for a long time; only now, you're complaining about it.

Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 14:27, 20 January 2016 (EST)

1. How are glitches not interesting? Are you suggesting that they are not interesting? Some are, some aren't depending people's level of interest, but there's bound to be a significant amount of people who find them interesting. Also, there are other glitches listed in Trivia, on character and move pages alike, like Pac-Man or Mewtwo or Aether (where it actually gets its own section, but that's because it's on the move page, not the character page). Although, the Pac-Man one should probably be relocated to Power Pellet. Anywho...
2. Where are you getting "isn't worth being a section, it's not worth being a page?"
3. I never complained, I just moved it to where I thought it should be reasonably put? And what does the amount of time passing have to do with anything?

Alright so regarding the "there's pages on glitches" argument, there's an excerpt from SW:CNA from What makes a good, notable article: Notable glitches; if a glitch is notable enough, it can have its own article. Read the below section to see what is not considered a notable glitch

Then an excerpt from SW:CNA again from What makes a bad, non-notable articles: Articles about non-notable glitches: Some glitches can have their own articles, but others cannot. Glitches should have a notable presence or significance in the Smash community before having their article created. If the glitch is not very notable, consider adding information about the glitch to a related article.

Okay, I think it's time I step in. I think first order of business, Aidan, can you tell us how this glitch is executed? Disaster Flare (talk) 14:42, 20 January 2016 (EST)

Um, read how to do it at the bottom of the page? Aardvarkian (Talk • Contributions) 14:43, 20 January 2016 (EST)

Wait, it's still there? Hang on. Disaster Flare (talk) 14:44, 20 January 2016 (EST)

(reset indent) Okay, after reading it, here's what I think. The first one should stay in the trivia section due to its extreme minority when it comes to glitching, but the other one however I feel has the potential to deserve its own section. That's just what I think. Disaster Flare (talk) 14:46, 20 January 2016 (EST)

Both are extremely minor glitches that do not affect gameplay and are only minor graphical glitches that happen under very specific circumstances. Why should one stay and one have its own section? Aardvarkian (Talk • Contributions) 14:48, 20 January 2016 (EST)

Yes, the first one is minor, but the other one breaks the entire model, seems like, which does, in away, affect gameplay just a bit. I'm getting on my game though to verify first though before I make any final decisions. Disaster Flare (talk) 14:49, 20 January 2016 (EST)

This makes the fifth fucking time I've tried to say something.

1. Glitches are interesting; however, something like this that's a paragraph long should not go into a single trivia point.
2. I've noticed in many situations that non-notable pages get deleted because they can just as easily be combined with a similar page; however, if it's not even worth mentioning in the first place, then it doesn't get put on anything.

Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 14:51, 20 January 2016 (EST)

Okay, I just verified the glitch. It's not just Kirby or Yoshi, I saw it happen to Bowser too, meaning this goes farther than just Kirby. I honestly think the Pac-Maze glitch should be moved to the Pac-Maze stage, due to the location and nature of the glitch. Disaster Flare (talk) 14:52, 20 January 2016 (EST)

Pac-Man glitch was originally on the Pac-Man stage; however, I moved it because it A. was more Kirby than the stage in my opinion and B. related to Kirby's down taunt and I already had a glitch about that so I figured what the hell. Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 14:53, 20 January 2016 (EST)

And also, to clarify:

1. I put that pic of Yoshi up because it was the best example I could think of, but causing something like that to happen requires Kirby.
2. It technically can also be done with Pac-Man himself, and even Jigglypuff.

Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 14:55, 20 January 2016 (EST)

Here's the thing: If it were JUST Kirby affected, that's a different story, but the fact of the matter is it affects more than just Kirby, Bowser,Yoshi, Pac-Man, and Jigglypuff are also confirmed to be affected (quite frankly I don't feel like going through all 50 or so characters just to see who's affected), which is why I think it should be moved to Pac-Maze, just giving a more special mention to Kirby due to him being the most screwed up by it. Disaster Flare (talk) 14:56, 20 January 2016 (EST)

Here's what I wanna know: at this point, I'm fine if the Pac-Man one (along with the images) gets moved to Pac-Maze. But what about the eye glitch? Can that at least have its own section? Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 14:58, 20 January 2016 (EST)

If you're referring to the Final Smash one, I think that's better left to the Ultra Sword page to be completely honest. A minor glitch like that doesn't deserve to be on Kirby's base SSB4 page if I'm being completely honest. Disaster Flare (talk) 14:59, 20 January 2016 (EST)