Talk:Rosalina & Luma (SSB4)/Archive 1

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Shouldn't Roselina have the Mushroom Icon under her picture instead of the Special stages symbol? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 12:00, 18 December 2013 (EST)

That's a fault of the template, going to fix. Toomai Glittershine The Eggster 12:02, 18 December 2013 (EST)

General Page

Should the character also get her own generalized page? Hard to word, but I mean one with information not just exclusive to Smash. MarioGalaxy^Talk 12:14, 18 December 2013 (EST)

As with all characters, yes. Toomai Glittershine The Boss 12:16, 18 December 2013 (EST)

"Huge" size

I'm feeling like that is just an awkward adjective to use. Perhaps 'tall' would be better? I'm not sure exactly what I'm going off of, but 'huge' just feels wrong, as if it implies she's Ganondorf or Bowser or something, and doesn't really fit Rosalina. She is a large character, but 'huge' would imply she has bulk, which she doesn't really have. I think 'tall' might be a better word. So . . .? — Jigglypuff the Magic Dragon (talk) 11:15, 23 December 2013 (EST)

Sakurai even uses "tall" himself, so there's no reason not to use it over "huge". Omega Tyrant 11:18, 23 December 2013 (EST)

Luma Shot

Sakurai refers to one of the screenshots (Jan 21st) depicting a move called the "Luma Shot". Is that enough to name the move and use it as a caption for the screenshot, listed under known information, ect, or are the words "This is the Luma Shot" not clear enough? I'm curious because nobody mentioned it in the atricle yet. 174.6.89.112 13:52, 24 January 2014 (EST)

Is it me...

Or will Rosalina and Luma be the top tiers of SSB4? Anyone want to discuss what their potential is? Requiem of Ice (talk) 00:13, 1 March 2014 (EST)

SW:TALK. Competitive analysis will have to wait for the games' release. Miles (talk) 00:21, 1 March 2014 (EST)

Of course, but from what I've seen so far, she's going to be my reliable main. But I will wait, if needed. Requiem of Ice (talk) 14:00, 1 March 2014 (EST)

For those who are wondering...

We're using "Rosalina" and not "Rosalina & Luma" for a few reasons. Most notably is the precedent: "Pikmin & Olimar" was the term used universally before Brawl's release, but the game itself used just "Olimar". Additionally, the page is already marked with the unofficial name icon, to make clear that the shorter name not strictly the official one. Miles (talk) 19:27, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Well we've seen the roster now, and Pikmin & Olimar did indeed change to Olimar, but Rosalina did not do the same thing. I always thought it was too speculative to cut Luma from the title, and now I feel even more strongly that we should change the name to Rosalina & Luma (SSB4) Toast ltimatum 15:09, 10 June 2014 (EDT)

Rosalina & Luma (SSB4) should be the title now that the demo showed that as her player name. SeanWheeler (talk) 18:38, 11 June 2014 (EDT)

I don't really want the page to be renamed, but due to the article titles policy, I agree. Red (talk) 22:20, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

Yeah, we probably should change it. Rosalina and Luma have different names in Japan, so it's not like they named her that way in the demo because it meant fewer announcer voice clips or anything. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 20:19, 1 July 2014 (EDT)

So are we going to wait for the game's release to move her? During the big release code red while we're busy updating the whole site? SeanWheeler (talk) 20:52, 18 July 2014 (EDT)

I'll probably not manage to accomplish anything in saying this, but I think we should keep this page's name as just Rosalina, because, even after "Rosalina and Luma" was confirmed to be the official name of the character, Rosalina is generally still the community-accepted name. I know it's true that people also shorten names for characters like King Dedede and Zero Suit Samus, but for Rosalina it's much, much more widespread. And, to me, the fact that we had 'Rosalina' as the name of this page even when the trailer clearly gave her the name 'Rosalina and Luma' is the kicker. Besides, Smash Wiki is not official. Nymbare and his talk 11:22, 23 July 2014 (EDT)

(resetting indent) The page naming policy states that character pages should be named as how they are named in-game. We believed that it would be changed to Rosalina, like how Pikmin & Olimar was changed to Olimar in non-Japanese versions of Brawl, so we simply named it "Rosalina". However, we were incorrect. Red (talk) 19:13, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

Support Agree with Red. Awesomelink234 (talk) 22:20, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

I'm opposed to the move still for the time being. Honestly, we should just throw the unofficial icon up in the corner and leave it at that. Miles (talk) 22:23, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

Support Awesomelink234 (talk) 22:29, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

I support the move as well, per the policy. It'll be a lot of work changing every link, but we might as well get started now. Blue Ninjakoopa 22:37, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

I Support moving it to "Rosalina and Luma (SSB4)" as well Laikue (talk) 22:43, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

Oppose. It could very well change when the game is released. RickTommy 23:49, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

Strong Support We (I say 'we' through grated teeth) were silly to assume that the character would be called 'Rosalina' when every single source called the character 'Rosalina & Luma'. There was no evidence of any name other than Rosalina & Luma. It's highly unlikely that the name will change now, even the announcer says Rosalina & Luma. Toast ltimatum 14:31, 25 July 2014 (EDT)

Oppose A part of me feels this move is too much. Besides, not much people use "Rosalina & Luma"; they usually mention just Rosalina herself. Marking it as unofficial lingo like Miles suggested could suit it better, and it takes less effort. Berrenta (talk) 15:41, 25 July 2014 (EDT)

But should Rosalina & Luma be treated like ukemi or strong attack? SW:OFFICIAL is a legitimate argument against the move, especially since the community refers to her as just "Rosalina", but I think Rosalina is a special case since she's a significant, playable character. Blue Ninjakoopa 15:53, 25 July 2014 (EDT)

Support Assuming I'm supporting the move, anyhow. The official name is Rosalina & Luma in-game. ...a new Nuttais approaching... 16:47, 25 July 2014 (EDT)

Oppose per Berrenta. Since a vast majority of people call her "Rosalina", I'm thinking we could do what we did for SSB4... mark it as unofficial due to how well it's known by society. Qwerty (talk) 01:44, 31 July 2014 (EDT)

Support The consensus here is strongly in favor of renaming and while I call Rosalina just that, the fighter's name officially is Rosalina & Luma. Those who are saying this fighter is more commonly called Rosalina than Rosalina & Luma forget that other characters' names are shortened, e.g. Falcon, Zamus, Trainer, Jiggly, DK, Diddy etc. and here they are called Captain Falcon, Zero Suit Samus, Wii Fit Trainer, Jigglypuff, Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong. RoyboyX Talk 00:33, 1 August 2014 (EDT)

Is there a protection on moving the page? RoyboyX Talk 00:16, 5 August 2014 (EDT)

There is. However, I still feel we shouldn't move, especially since the game's not out yet. Berrenta (talk) 01:10, 5 August 2014 (EDT)

And I think that's a TERRIBLE idea, as everyone is going to be VERY busy during that time updating the site with the massive amount of information we're going to have to add. Laikue (talk) 01:38, 5 August 2014 (EDT)

Yeah, Laikue has a good point; the longer we wait, the more work it will be to change everything that needs to be changed when the move happens. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 01:58, 5 August 2014 (EDT)

Motion for immediate move of Rosalina (SSB4) to Rosalina & Luma (SSB4). RoyboyX Talk 10:30, 5 August 2014 (EDT)

Support Move Her name is officially called "Rosalina & Luma". Unlike Pikmin and Olimar were the game just refers to him as "Olimar". ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 14:36, 7 August 2014 (EDT)

@Miles: the problem with the unofficial icon is that the Wii U's eShop on Smash Wii U's page has her video marked as just Rosalina. Red (talk) 18:29, 7 August 2014 (EDT)

Wow. A huge debate here I guess. Anyways I support the move for the official name. Plus the Luma is pretty significant to Rosalina's fighting style. Dots (talk) The Non-stick 22:17, 10 August 2014 (EDT)

Rosalina & Luma are a duo, that's why they are called such in the game. If Olimar was called Pikmin & Olimar in the game, we would rename him that too. He isn't, so we won't. As for Rosalina, SSB43DS releases in almost a month. It's not going to change. Rename this now so we don't have to deal with the conundrum of it all later. RoyboyX Talk 17:41, 11 August 2014 (EDT)

I am kinda tempted to move this now like you are due to the official name but I don't think I want to do that just yet. Who knows, many might just use the character as Rosalina instead and even the game might change it to be so. Dots (talk) The Brawl 22:44, 11 August 2014 (EDT)

I would have moved this but apparently there is protection from moving. That would probably apply to you as well. Like I said, with the release date being so close I can't see why the name would change now. RoyboyX Talk 22:51, 11 August 2014 (EDT)

Support per Dots. Chilex (talk) 21:53, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

Honestly, I support the move, but it wouldn't really matter to me. The game can call her anything it wants, I'll still call her Rosalina...but if we're going for accuracy here, it should be moved to "Rosalina & Luma (SSB4)". Aidan the Average Gamer (talk) 14:56, 14 August 2014 (EDT)

Exactly. They're a duo, the Luma is a separate entity that attacks shit. If you want to call her Rosalina go ahead, but it's not just Rosalina who's doing the fighting. RoyboyX Talk 14:59, 14 August 2014 (EDT)

Why hasn't this been moved yet? There is literally no reason this shouldn't be moved, we've seen her called Rosalina and Luma in-game, the majority of people here want it moved, waiting to move the page would just hurt the wiki, and more people call her Rosaluma outside of the game than Rosalina anyway! Should we just move it to "Rosaluma (SSB4)"? No, because that would be super unofficial. At least if you're not going to move it give a reason as to why. Laikue (talk) 15:30, 14 August 2014 (EDT)

I agree. This argument has been going on for awhile and the majority of people say Rosalina & Luma is the most accurate. Move the page, please. ...a new Nuttais approaching...

Yes, please, move it. RoyboyX Talk 17:10, 14 August 2014 (EDT)

But what if the name changes at the last second? Take a look at LEGO Pirates of the Caribbean and its main character. Early game demos and and even a pre-release copy called his main outfit "Captain Jack Sparrow", while later versions called him "Jack Sparrow". Yeah, pretty bad when someone gets an early copy and the beta name is still there and post-release copies with "Captain" being cut out. Which is why I suggest we wait for October 3rd to move Rosalina. Even if someone gets a copy on October 2nd, we'd wait the next day. That way, we won't move her only to realized that Sakurai changed her at the last minute, causing two pointless moves. And besides, the Japanese release will have the bigger code red. The American will have some miner tweaks from the Japanese. SeanWheeler (talk) 11:38, 15 August 2014 (EDT)

I think we should wait. Yes, "Rosalina & Luma" will most likely be the official name when the game is released, but if it isn't and we change it beforehand, we will have created a lot of extra work for no reason. ChuckNorris 13:01, 15 August 2014 (EDT)

I guess that makes vague, illogical sense. But I doubt it'll be changed. ...a new Nuttais approaching...

Fine, I guess we can afford to wait a while. But if we're (supporters of the move) right about it not changing then you have to buy me the suited Samus Figma. Joking, but I don't think it will change. Although if you are generous enough I do want a Samus Figma... :P RoyboyX Talk 09:34, 16 August 2014 (EDT)

No. Now that I've thought about it, this can be renamed quite easily. And if the ingame name does change to just Rosalina when the game hits shelves (lest I repeat my view of this theory), there is an easy function called rollback. RoyboyX Talk 23:37, 22 August 2014 (EDT)

Problem is that rollback only reverts consecutive edits done by the most recent user to edit the page. If someone else edits after the move, the move cannot be rolled back. Berrenta (talk) 00:02, 23 August 2014 (EDT)

Well, I meant undo really but you get the point. I'm mainly referring to any templates, which will likely not be edited as much as her actual article. RoyboyX Talk 00:04, 23 August 2014 (EDT)

Or we can wait. The English release is in a couple months. As in, we only have six weeks. Even if she's called "Rosetta & Luma" in the Japanese release, we wait three weeks for the English release to confirm it. Also, there can be a chance that templates could be edited between the move and the moveback. Yeah, obviously to add "& Luma", but what if there was more edits to the template than that? If we move Rosalina now before the English release only for her to be renamed "Rosalina" in the final version, we would still waste work in moving. One needed move is better than two unnecessary moves. SeanWheeler (talk) 10:27, 24 August 2014 (EDT)

From what I gather, Rosalina is certainly the more popular name regardless of everything. If Nintendo changed Olimar's name to "Olimar & Pikmin", tough luck to Nintendo, because more players refer to Olimar as just Olimar. The same could be argued for Rosalina just as easily. In all honesty, I prefer a statement such as:

"Rosalina's f-smash is powerful."

over something like

"Rosalina & Luma's f-smash is powerful."

We don't really have to be technically correct according to Nintendo if everyone is just going to refer to her as Rosalina. MegaTron1XD 12:20, 24 August 2014 (EDT)

Although a situation like that wouldn't occur, as Rosalina and Luma have different forward smashes. "Rosalina & Luma" would encompass the effectiveness of both attacks at once. Toast ltimatum 16:35, 24 August 2014 (EDT)

At this point, a majority of users support the move. I thought the point in something like this was to decide with the majority. Yet the majority is being ignored. Just move the page. ...a new Nuttais approaching... 12:27, 24 August 2014 (EDT)

We're apparently waiting for it to be released in October (or whenever we get some 100% true English leaks) as there is still a small chance it could change (doubtful, but still). I still don't think this is a good idea since it's going to be one of the most busy weeks on the wiki (behind only the Japanese releases of Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS, the release of the Wii U version in america will probably be less hassle, though), considering that SO MANY PEOPLE will be coming here to learn how to unlock everything and we'll have to edit the wiki with all the (as of release) changed names (example: let's assume there's a new mode called "Smash Search" but the title in America is changed to "Smash Hunt" or something.), possible changed character features (see: List_of_regional_version_differences_(SSBM)#Character-specific_differences), and changed features (such as a hazard being removed from Spirit Train, or something). Laikue (talk) 20:19, 24 August 2014 (EDT)

This page should have always been named Rosalina & Luma. Yeah okay, it would have been reasonable to assume a change later since was the case with Olimar, but the char select screens we've seen showed that name. I don't need to repeat my other arguments. I have a question to everyone who thinks we should wait: what happens if the name does not change? We've wasted all this time bickering, right? RoyboyX Talk 20:15, 24 August 2014 (EDT)

RoyBoyX has a point. Why bother waiting? We've already spent enough time arguing. Aidan the Intermediate Gamer (talk) 20:18, 24 August 2014 (EDT)

I feel like this is a similar discussion with Talk:Double jump. It's like either going with the official term or go with the more proper and/or popular term and I see that as a hard decision. We should probably keep the page as is until we actually get the correct term. Dots (talk) The Scientist 22:00, 24 August 2014 (EDT)

Dots hit the nail on head. Better to do one move a little later than rush to do it now with the possibility of having to go back and do it all twice, and that's aside from the possibility of leaving it here anyway under unofficial status. Miles (talk) 22:11, 24 August 2014 (EDT)

That's ridiculous, though! We had voting on it, and a majority of people say to move it. There's quite a few supports on here. At this point, it's not going to be changed, and if we don't move it prior to the blast of information from the release of the game, it'll never be moved. I thought these move-things were designed as a "majority rules"-type thing. But apparently it isn't. ...a new Nuttais approaching...

It's based on both majority and the quality of the arguments. And yes, this will get moved. Hopefully, name protection will be dropped later, and the second it is I will rename this. RoyboyX Talk 11:22, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

Just because it doesn't get moved prior to the blast of information doesn't mean it will never get moved. It will be moved after the English version is released and the blast of information comes from the Japanese version, three weeks before the English version. I'm sorry if the majority want it as Rosalina & Luma, but with the English release just next month, why not just wait instead of risking two moves? SeanWheeler (talk) 11:39, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

I'm going to wait. I'm just hoping everyone who thinks we should wait are aware of the possibility that the name will not change in the final release and we've thus wasted all this time. RoyboyX Talk 12:17, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

If the name in the Japanese 3DS version proves to be "Rosetta & Chiko" on release date, will that be enough to put this to rest? RoyboyX Talk 22:41, 9 September 2014 (EDT)

No, mostly because Olimar is Pikmin and Olimar in Japan, we just have to wait for Sakurai to show the English CSS or something.... Laikue (talk|contribs) 22:43, 9 September 2014 (EDT)

Honestly, no; take a look at Olimar in Brawl. In Japan, he was referred to as "Pikmin & Olimar", whereas in America, he was referred to as just Olimar. Aidan the Intermediate Gamer (talk) 22:44, 9 September 2014 (EDT)

And Charizard is Lizardon and King Dedede is Dedede. We really have to wait for October 3rd to move this. SeanWheeler (talk) 18:53, 12 September 2014 (EDT)

That's not even mentioning Robin, Greninja, Bowser, Villager, and Mega Man. We'll just have to wait and see. Aidan the Intermediate Gamer (talk) 18:56, 12 September 2014 (EDT)

Okay, but Duck Hunt is still named as Duck Hunt here and not Duck Hunt Dog. RoyboyX Talk 13:36, 13 September 2014 (EDT)

Reveal Information is Incorrect

This is my first time doing anything like this, but Super Mario 3D World was released in November for all countries where it is available. Making the statement about her reveal coinciding with the game's release in December false. Just thought I would point that out. Thanks. Mariokartmoney 18:03, 28 August 2014 (EDT)

Original to Smash Bros.?

The last alternate costume for Luma (the silver one) states that it is "original to Smash Bros.", when it is actually from the opening scene of Super Mario Galaxy. The page is protected from editing so change it plz.

If I remember right, the one from the SMG opening is white, not silver. Aidan the Intermediate Gamer (talk) 16:45, 14 September 2014 (EDT)

Also, put ~~~~ after you put something on a talk page. Aidan the Intermediate Gamer (talk) 16:48, 14 September 2014 (EDT)